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Posted by Narelle47, Thursday, 11 July 2019 6:25:31 PM
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Here is something scientific.
Much of the arid areas of outback Australia is covered in Mitchell grass. Courtesy of Major Mitchell who surveyed those areas which is where it got its name. There are numerous varieties. Mitchell grass is a tuft of weedy grass and grows for up to 30 years. Highly drought tolerant and self seeding. Attempts to cultivate the grass is hard as seeds are not harvested commercially as a whole, and very expensive. So why would Indigenous be cultivating Mitchell Grass areas when it does it on its own and doesn't need irrigation. Posted by Narelle47, Thursday, 11 July 2019 6:53:42 PM
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Charles Massey, a fifth generation sheep farmer in
NSW and agriculture reform advocate has tried to promote his approach to "regenerative agriculture," within the context of the history of Australian agriculture. He acknowledges the importance of recognising the past continuing connection of Indigenous people to the land and contends that to " manage, nurture and regenerate country, then we need to fathom where it came from, what it is made of, how it works and functions, how it was managed before us." While we can't change past wrongs, we can start re-thinking the environmental, social and political implications of the way we produce our food in this continent. There's more at the following link: http://theconversation.com/cultivating-a-nation-why-the-mythos-of-the-australian-farmer-is-problematic-106517 Indigenous award-winning author Bruce Pascoe is also dedicated to reviving native ingredients as cultivated by Aboriginal people - and as the link below tells us - baking with grains is just the beginning. He invites us to think differently about the future of farming in Australia. He wants us to embrace Aboriginal agriculture and the recovery of our traditional food plants. Several projects are well under way. There's more at: http://www.gourmettraveller.com.au/news/food-news/did-australia-invent-bread-2708 In case we think that issues which require radical solutions that are likely to harm vested economic and political interests are a thing of the past, think again. New ideas instead of being welcome for the opportunities they open up for the improvement of the human lot, are seen as threats to those who have become comfortable in their ideologies. Galileo was put under house arrest by the Vatican for saying the earth moved around the sun. In fact in 1633 the church made him recant his theory of the universe. Our farmers do need new ways of farming. They may yet learn from the past? Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 11 July 2019 7:24:38 PM
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Dear Narelle47,
You write; "If the Aboriginal industry had not quashed historians over the past 20+ years and archaeologist research." And "We cannot disprove his claims scientifically as that research is not allowed." What a crock. Name one historian who has been 'quashed' and what research is not allowed? As for the rest of your post what on earth are you trying to say? Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 11 July 2019 7:28:27 PM
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Foxy
'He acknowledges the importance of recognising the past continuing connection of Indigenous people to the land and contends that to " manage, nurture and regenerate country, then we need to fathom where it came from, what it is made of, how it works and functions, how it was managed before us." While we can't change past wrongs, we can start re-thinking the environmental, social and political implications of the way we produce our food in this continent.' My father born 1907 always burnt back our 'bush paddock' in a fashion that the fire burnt in on itelf. Good agricultural and farming practice. In the late 60's and early 70's farmers would still burn back growth during winter. Also local councils with the assitance of fire brigades burnt back edges of country roads and within small towns so as to avoid the ravages of fires either man made or lightening strikes in aummer. Sadly the greenies moved in and stopped that - a recent result was the devastating fires IN Canberra in 2004 - my daughter's house miraculously escaped while houses 2 doors away were burnt to the ground from flying cinders. At the same time my brother who lives Beechworth - was lucky to escape the rvages of fire because of the Greenies. A royal commission was held. Strangley they replanted PINES in Canberra. It is good farming practise established 23,000 years ago in Europe to burn off in Winter. Aborigines burnt off the forests as a hunting method to force the animals out for easy capture. A'green pick' came through for when the Aborigines moved back next season - provided grasses for the animals. It was not 'fire-stick farming.' Posted by Narelle47, Thursday, 11 July 2019 7:56:06 PM
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Narelle,
I was not discussing burning. I was discussing the revival of native ingredients as cultivated by Aboriginal people and of thinking differently about the future of farming in Australia and the recovery of our traditional food plants. There are, as stated earlier, several projects under way towards that end - in one of the links I gave. It's worth a read. Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 11 July 2019 8:05:00 PM
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If the Aboriginal industry had not quashed historians over the past 20+ years and archaeologist research. Pascoe would be laughed out of town.
We cannot disprove his claims scientifically as that research is not allowed.
Fortunately scientists overseas such as the Max Planck Institute did not return all archaeological samples as demanded by the Aboriginal industry.
They fear Native Title will lose it's grip - they have 60% of the country now under NT.The aim is 100%
Pascoe has a captive audience from the sorry sorry people and Aboriginal industry as it suits their agenda.
QUESTION: When did Aborigines cease their agriculture?
Dingoes were certainly fresh meat 'at heal.'
We must stop Australia being the laughing stock around the world for not allowing honest history and archaeological research.
EXTRACT:
Did Australia invent bread?
'Bruce Pascoe is dedicated to reviving native ingredients as cultivated by Aboriginal people – baking with ancient grains is just the beginning.'
May 03, 2016 12:00amBy Max Allen
Pascoe writes in Dark Emu, mere hunter-gatherers ' a preconception that "has been used as a political tool to justify dispossession".(Really - political tool)
.....Aboriginal people as farmers: sowing, harvesting and storing seed on a vast scale; cultivating crops; building permanent villages; trading preserved surpluses of food over huge distances.
And the author doesn't just want us to learn about this hidden history(who said it is hidden)
the murnong, or yam daisy. , tragically, one of the first plants to be almost entirely wiped out by the settlers' sheep within just a couple of years of their arrival.(WOW)
the revival of indigenous grains native millet and kangaroo grass
Which means, of course, that we're the world's first bakers," he says, smiling. My hope is that Australians will learn to feel proud about this - they'll say, 'hey, we're the country that invented bread'.
https://www.gourmettraveller.com.au/news/food-news/did-australia-invent-bread-2708?fbclid=IwAR0kUY6PuOGXEa2xJJs-VqKFRka52I0svwHdM8KlHQWsqbB8G4HHbvZOats