SR,

"I have neither the time nor the inclination to tease apart even little nuance and dance around the truth you employ in your posts."

No problems there. But don't then turn your lack of rigour into an misunderstood attack on what you think are my views because, when you do that, its a screw-up.

"And please show me where I 'fell' for any myth."

david f

The myth of collusion and that Trump was a patsy and lackey of Putin. Please don't try to suggest you haven't written on that previously.

"He has acerbated hatred of Muslims, Jews..."

Yes we've seen his hatred of Jews in moving the embassy to Jerusalem and recognising the Golan Heights as part of Israel. His son-in-law and grandkids are Jewish. But why am I mentioning facts when they clearly don't matter?

" I believe the increase in hate crimes are a direct result of his incendiary rhetoric."

"The rise in hate crimes is attributed to an increase of about 1,000 police departments that are now choosing to report these incidents, the FBI says."

Who to believe?

BTW I think the increase in hoax hate crimes is due to the lack of actual Trump related hate crimes.

Foxy,

"Or else as they say - put up or ..."

Here you go.... http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=8353#261842

Actually its interesting that I could do that same post from 9 months ago today, virtually unchanged.

I find it fascinating that people will continue to believe sources who've clearly misled them over and over. But as I said, its about seeking confirmation for pre-judged views and comfort in being told what you want to hear. Its not about seeking the truth.

People like david f can think of Trump as anti-Jewish when the evidence laughs at such a view. Why? Because he wants it to be true, irrespective of the evidence.

SR can simultaneously believe that Trump colluded with the Russians to win the election but also needed to try to open back-channels after the election. Both things can't be true, unless you just want them to be true.

Double-think lives.

100 plus entirely ineffectual posts about a foreign politician when we have much more to worry about with our own two bozos, Morrison and Shorten, and which of the two idiots will 'lead' our own country after the election in a couple of months. What we should be concentrating on is our own totalitarian compulsory voting and preferential system, which favours a virtually lock-step two-party system which is gradually becoming a one-party system in all but name.

In the upcoming election, voters are interested in three big issues: rapid population growth, high electricity costs, and political correctness. But the political class is intent on not talking about these issues; the Coalition and Labor have fundamentally the same view on these issues. There is literally no difference on population growth. The Coalition offers a slightly less destructive climate change policy, with a 39 per cent renewable energy target as opposed to Labor’s 50 per cent target. And the government’s decision to ban Milo Yiannopoulos from entering Australia is just the latest example of their apathy, if not outright hostility, to free speech. A hostility that will only be outdone by a Shorten Labor government.

So, voting will not make a scrap of difference at the next election. Forget Trump and foreign politicians, none of which are any worse than our own (in similar systems), and write 'None of these” across the ballot paper, and comments like “end mass immigration” and “end multiculturalism” where space is available.

Mark Twain wrote that, 'if voting did any good, they wouldn't let us do it'.

Dutifully voting for people you know are no-hopers is a waste of time. So do something different to show them just how fed up you are.

mhaze,

I'm not surprised that you could supply us with
the same list of your sources from nine months
ago. They're all from conservative news sources,
and largely Trump supporters. I would have been
surprised if the list would have changed.

These days we find that anyone who disagrees with
a news story angle calls it "biased." Or "fake news."
Conservatives hate CNN and MSNBC.

To me - it would seem that
a journalist's first obligation is to the truth.
The source of their credibility is their accuracy,
intellectual fairness and ability to inform.

When journalists let personal biases hinder their
objectivity it puts the entire media organisation at
risk.

Thankfully there are still media outlets left that uphold
these principals. CNN, is listed as one of the most
trusted and credible sources in the US. As are many on
my list.

However, each to their own.

A couple of posts here tell us we should not talk about Trump
And anything we do say is not true
Lets wait and see how some defend their words sitting in the wreckage that was Trump, after his fall

I don't believe Trump is anti-Jewish. I don't think he is for or against any ethnic group or race. He is interested in power and money. As a landlord he practiced racial restrictions and denied accommodations to blacks. That was against the law, and he was cited for it. I don’t believe he is anti-black. I believe he judged that denying blacks accommodation would enable him to make more money by attracting tenants who would not want to live with blacks.

In my opinion he does not hate Jews, Latinos, Muslims, blacks or any other ethnic or religious group. However, he is keenly aware of the prejudices of his base and wants to cater to them. His base is the fundamentalist Protestants of the United States. That base harbours the KKK, white supremacist and other groups. I think he calculates that it pays to cater to those prejudices. I wrote that he exacerbates hatreds. I did not accuse him of being a hater himself.

One of the great problems in this world is uncontrolled population growth. IMHO as president of the United States, Trump should be interested in solving those problems. Planned Parenthood is a force in attacking that particular problem. However, he caters to his base by defunding them.

Why did he move the US embassy to Jerusalem and become buddy-buddy with Netanyahu? Approximately 80% of American Jews vote Democrat. However, by his actions in Israel he might peel off a few of those votes. Since he is a skilled politician and manipulator he may have made a good guess.

Of course Trump is not a patsy of Putin. IMHO he admires Putin, Duterte and other dictators because he would like to control the United States to the extent that they can control their countries. He is not a patsy of anybody.

Trump is for Trump. Understand that, and you understand him.

ttbn wrote: 100 plus entirely ineffectual posts about a foreign politician …

I agree with ttbn. However, since I am a citizen of the USA, Trump is not a foreign politician to me.

Dear David F.,

I agree that Trump is about money and power -
but with all due respect I believe that
Donald Trump is a racist. He's been obsessed with
race the entire time he's been a public figure.

He has a history as a NY real estate developer
in the 70s and 80s. More recently his political
rise was built on promulgating the lie that the
nation's first black President was born in Kenya.
He calls African countries s-hole countries. He
talks about immigrants as rapists and murderers.
He says that the only people he wants handling
his money are those who wear yarmulkes.

He talks about and treats people differently based
on their race. The NY Times tells us how Trump
treated his black employees at his casinos
differently from whites because he believed that
"laziness is a trait in blacks." He called for a complete
shut-down of Muslims entering the US and he refused to
re-admit Muslim Americans who were outside of the
country at that time.

Trump said a federal judge hearing a case about
Trump university was biased because the judge had
a Mexican heritage. Trump highlights crimes
committed by dark-skinned people. He stated that
immigrants from Haiti "all have aids."
And he doesn't want them or Africans in the US
he want more from Norway.

He called Elizabeth Warren - "Pocahontas."
And Obama (editor in chief of Harvard Law Review)
as a "terrible, terrible, student."Trump trafficked in
anti-Semitic caricatures. He called white-supremasists -
"very fine people."

And the list goes on.