Dear O Sung Wu,

I recently looked up some of the other US Presidents
and their flaws - JFK did some "unpresidential" things including having serial affairs. He apparently was a compulsive
womaniser. Character flaws in a president can end in tragedy.
JFK did not live long enough for his actions to compromise
him but arguments are that they would have if he had.

Lyndon B. Johnson was known for his rude and overbearing conduct.
He apparently conducted business from the toilet with the
door open. Unfortunately we're told that he clung to a self-
defeating strategy in Vietnam which eventually brought him
not to run for re-election.

Then of course there was Richard M. Nixon (Would you buy a
used car from this man?). He was described as callous,
cynical, and Machiavellian. One of the most disagreeable
and unpopular of presidents.

Bill Clinton - involved in a very "unpresidential"scandal.

I guess if we look closely enough at any history -
it's amazing what we shall find. It's all very subjective
isn't it?

Dear oh dear, SR, you really do struggle to follow the logic of a discussion, don't you.

david f had done a gallop gish of things he saw as Trump's failure. One of those was that he'd " tried and failed to repeal Obamacare,".

In responding to those I simply pointed out that, while he hadn't fully overthrown Obamacare yet, the removal of the individual mandate (which effectively gutted ACA) meant that saying he'd failed was less than accurate.

At no point did offer an opinion on the value of ACA, just that Trump hadn't failed in his fight to remove it. But somehow in the fevered mind of poor poor SR, not only did I say that I hated Obamacare but that also meant I hated Medicare. I can't quite work out if its a failure of simple logic or a failure of reading skills. But whatever it is, it makes no sense.

For the record, I'm not particularly opposed to ACA but think that removing the individual mandate was a blow for individual liberty.

(Just in passing, for those interested in such things, we should note that the ACA only got through the SCOTUS because of the claim it was a tax measure. But without the individual mandate, its no longer a tax measure. That argument is now being pursued through the court system. Obamacare may yet be found to be unconstitutional).

As to SR we probable can't expect too much more from someone who fell so heavily for the Russian collusion fable, but we can only try and help.

Belly,

"mhaze you understand every chance exists you are wrong?"

About what?

"That just maybe those of us opposed to a fat rich, sexual offending scam artist may not be unbalanced?"

Yeah but there's no chance Bill Clinton will ever make a comeback, so chill.

"Never been one for following trends"

You might tell yourself that, but more than anyone else here, you rely on iffy surveys to convince yourself you aren't alone in your thinking.

"Truth matters, sadly less in America than we once thought"
The truth is there was no Russian collusion by Trump but it seems that for many that doesn't matter.

Foxy's earnest naivety amuses me sometimes. I point out that those who've been badly misled over the collusion issue need to be more expansive in their search for information.
Then we see Foxy telling us that her sources are CNN, NYT and The Atlantic - three of the four most anti-Trump MSM in the USA. Its not hard to see how people would be misled if those are their sources. But it is hard to see why they wouldn't be wary believing them following the Mueller revelations.

Dear mhaze,

Ah yes, in the sea of “good” chants you indeed left out one off the end of that particular line. Lol.

Okay, well what about the Obama rules on pollution that was suppose to give greater protection to the drinking water supplies of over 100 million Americans? How will easing reporting rules help them?

Leaving aside carbon pollution which of the standards for water pollution do you feel deserved to be rolled back? The USA currently has some woeful drinking water standards allowing many times the limit of the EU and even China for some notable pollutants such as Arsenic, Benzene, Chromium, Cyanide, Fluoride.

Are there any you wish to see eased even further to the benefit of industry?

My evening wander in these pages has bought up the view again
The view that if I or in this case a new poster, has another view, we should not state it
Trump, the man is a fraud, in time his followers will know it
Give him time, the coming world economic problems will kill any thought he has brought prosperity to America
Just maybe gentlemen, holding the view those with opinions other than yours are lesser beings is rather silly

mhaze,

Your telling me to broaden my sources?

I've only listed a mere few.

What are your sources?

Do tell.