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A View of Trump

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http://www.smh.com.au/national/if-you-re-playing-golf-with-him-he-s-going-to-cheat-20190401-p519l0.html
Giggle worthy good read however
Posted by Belly, Monday, 1 April 2019 3:45:56 PM
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cont'd ...

We have yet to see the Mueller Report in full.

And to also see what the other investigations
reveal.

Mr Mueller charges have been brought against
34 people including Russian agents, and former key
allies of Mr Trump such as campaign chairman Paul
Manafort, former national security adviser Mike Flynn and
his personal lawyer Michael Cohen.

There are still a series of other ongoing inquiries.
The closure of the special counsel's probe does
not mark the end of legal woes for Mr Trump and people
close to him.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 1 April 2019 3:48:42 PM
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SR,

So typical of SR. Utterly screw-up, sort of acknowledge it without acknowledging it ,then, without the slightest sign of contrition, move on to the next piece of idiocy.

I'm not aware of any regulations concerning drinking water being 'watered!!' down. I presume you mean the changes to the WOTUS rules. The only link between that and drinking water is in the minds of anti-development environmentalists. So do provide some links if you like.

BTW I'm looking forward to the post where you explain how you were duped into believing the collusion myth. Belly at least had the balls to accept he'd been wrong.

Belly,
Who's saying you can't post your alternate views. Post away. But you seem to want to be able to post any old rubbish and not have it challenged. That's somewhat different and ain't gunna happen.

Foxy,

"Your telling me to broaden my sources?"

Not exactly. I'm saying that if it were me and it turned out my preferred sources had been leading me down the garden path for 2+ years, I'd, at the very least, be questioning my faith in those sources. I wouldn't just go on believing the gumph they feed me.
Or I'd do that if I was interested in understanding what's going on an getting at the truth. But if I was just interested in having someone confirm my prejudices and tell me comforting stories, then I'd do exactly what you're doing.

"What are your sources?"

I gave you a list a few months ago. Water off a duck's back.

" Mueller charges have been brought against
34 people"

And the number charged with collusion was exactly zero. The majority were Russians who'll never see the inside of a courtroom and Mueller's evidence will never be tested. And he knew it. When one Russian did offer to defend the charges, Mueller's team ran a mile.

Yes, the deep state are still trying to overturn the election via other means. But the main game was getting him on collusion and/or obstruction of justice and that's now over...although your sources won't tell you that.
Posted by mhaze, Monday, 1 April 2019 6:07:59 PM
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Dear mhaze,

Stop being so pathetic.

It isn't a screwup when someone is deliberately obtuse with their post. If you want to play your little games then go ahead but I have neither the time nor the inclination to tease apart even little nuance and dance around the truth you employ in your posts.

And please show me where I 'fell' for any myth.

Dear o sung wu,

Are you really saying Obama was a worse president than Nixon? Well mate I'm all ears.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 1 April 2019 6:24:31 PM
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Dear davidf,

Yes it must have been quite confronting to have had an American president investigated as a possible agent for the Russia which was essentially what the investigation was about. And for good reasons outlined in Vanity Fair;

“On the campaign trail, Trump called for Russian hackers to target Hillary Clinton; his son, son-in-law, and campaign manager met with a Kremlin-linked attorney at Trump Tower to secure “high level and sensitive information” on Clinton as part of what they were told was “Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump”; a campaign aide, George Papadopoulos, went abroad in hopes of securing a meeting between Trump and Vladimir Putin while another adviser, Roger Stone, got in contact with Russian military intelligence. During the White House transition, there were a flurry of contacts between Trumpworld and Moscow, including an effort by Jared Kushner to establish a secret backchannel with the Kremlin. Later, as president, Trump bragged about firing Comey to Russian officials in the Oval Office, sought out private meetings with Putin, and repeatedly sided with Russian intelligence over the assessments of his own agencies.”

It is obvious given the above that the FBI needed to investigate the depth of any collusion between Trump, his campaign and the Russians. Not to have done so would have been an abrogation of their responsibilities to the American people.

It is hopefully a relief for you that they ultimately found the evidence not strong enough to force them to indict the leader of your country sparing you the deep ignominy of having him besmirch the long history of the Republic by being indicted as a traitor.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 1 April 2019 7:56:17 PM
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Dear SteeleRedux,

I do not think the vulgar orange oaf is fit to be president. An unfit president should be removed from office. It is a greater ignominy to have him remain in office than to have him removed.

He has acerbated hatred of Muslims, Jews, homosexuals, blacks and the press. I believe the increase in hate crimes are a direct result of his incendiary rhetoric.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46189391

“Hate crimes in the US rose by 17% in 2017, the third straight year that incidents of bias-motivated attacks have grown, according to the FBI.

Law enforcement agencies reported 7,175 hate crimes last year compared with 6,121 in 2016.

The rise in hate crimes is attributed to an increase of about 1,000 police departments that are now choosing to report these incidents, the FBI says.

The report found the surge especially affected black and Jewish Americans.

Of the reported attacks in 2017, 2,013 were aimed at African Americans and 938 were against Jewish Americans.”

When black athletes protested the incidents of killing unarmed black men by trigger happy police his reaction was fury against the athletes.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/sep/22/donald-trump-nfl-national-anthem-protests

“Donald Trump launched a sensational attack on NFL players who have kneeled in protest of the national anthem during a speech in Alabama on Friday night, challenging the league’s owners to release anyone who engages in the movement started last year by former San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick.

“Wouldn’t you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, ‘Get that son of a bitch off the field right now. Out! He’s fired. He’s fired!’” the president said at a rally for Republican senator Luther Strange, who is running in a special election next week to remain in the seat vacated by attorney general Jeff Sessions.”

A free press is a guardian of our liberty. When the press focuses on Trump’s divisive rhetoric and other egregious behavior he yells “fake news.”

https://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/09/politics/donald-trump-birther/index.html contains a story of Trump’s lies about Obama’s birth. Trump was a purveyor of fake news.

Throw the bum out.
Posted by david f, Monday, 1 April 2019 9:01:16 PM
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