Dear Belly,

I still have strong hopes for people that I
believe are basically decent. Hopefully we
can get to the point where we are at least civil
to each other. I'm sure that these people aside
from this forum - are quite different and would not
be behaving in the real world as they do here.
Anonymity, of course helps a great deal.

Dear Belly,

Just letting you know that I shall be going into
hospital shortly for some operations. I will not
be posting for a while. Don't worry. I hope to
be back eventually. I'll let you know before I
leave - I don't know the exact dates as yet.

Bazz,
You are right the self organized over stayers are the most difficult to detect. This is because they need false documents to exist in our community. Most non criminals would not even know where to start to obtain false documents and would hesitate to become involved with those that did know. These over stayers make themselves vulnerable to exploitation by criminals and employers and landlords.

If I recall properly, Pauline stated a few years ago that she was aware of false documemts being produced in some Asian country. Do you know any further to that?

But then over stayers was not a big issue a few years ago, but seems to have increased lately. Note the Suadi women in that 4 corners report did not mention any difficulty in getting Australian visas. Maybe Border Protection is now paying more attention to visa issue.

Paul,

I guess your weakness at maths is a common feature of the gangreens.

Roughly there are roughly 7 400 000 visitors to Aus every year, of which >1% or 56 000 overstay their visas most of which leave shortly after once notified.

56000 x 20 years gives about 1 120 000 visa overstayers, of which about roughly 60 000 remain which is about 5% of which 16 000 p.a. are caught and deported. In the time they stay illegally the government has spent virtually nothing on them.

So Paul, You please explain!

As for your idea of giving illegals a free pass after evading the police, that is a monumentally stupid idea with very obvious consequences.

Shadow, your maths is suspect, //16 000 p.a. are caught and deported.// According to the department in 2016/17 financial year 12,966 were "located", not deported, "located", there is a difference, and there is no indication how many of those overstayers are still in the country.

Shadow, lets work something out based on the evidence presented to the Senate by the department. As of 30th June 2017 there were 6,600 overstayers still in Australia who arrived between 1997 and 2002, that's an average of 1,100 per year. That is the minimum figure for overstayers in those years. It reasonable to assume the actual figure was much greater and for various reasons the additional overstayers left Australia, gave themselves up and left, got caught out, obtained Australian citizenship, or simply died. The number of foreign visitors has grown from 5 million in the year 2000 to an estimated 8.8 million in 2019. If overstayers are consistent with visitor growth then we can expect between 20,000 and 40,000 additional potential long term overstayers, people who be remain after 15 years. Add to that the short term and the existing long term overstayers that could see 150,000 to 200,000 illegal overstayers in 2035.

Foxy thanks and all the best from me and a few more here you are well liked
As my life gets nearer that door we do not come back from I am pleased my mind is not out in front leading my body
Saw your recent reading is good for you post and just completed three weeks read, it was great 4 volumes hated it ending
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