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Ban Political Donations From The Gun Lobby 

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Dear Is Mise,

You would lock the doors and call the police. What you wouldn't bloody do is saturate our society with weapons to make it far more likely that the killer is able to obtain the means to slaughter far more children than otherwise would be the case.

Who should have been armed at Port Arthur and with what kind of weapons?

Do you want cafe owners with AR15s lying at the ready behind their counters?

Selfish, selfish man.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 1 March 2018 11:04:04 AM
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Steele,

"You would lock the doors and call the police..."

It's been tried and doesn't work and most schools don't have bullet proof door locks or doors.

"Who should have been armed at Port Arthur and with what kind of weapons?"

One good shot with a single shot pistol would have been enough.

A friend of mine was at a nightclub in New Guinea, having a quiet night out with his pregnant wife.
The club was attacked by armed criminals who shot the security guard then held the patrons at gunpoint, when they ordered everyone to lie on the floor he decided that that was far enough, and that the threat had become unacceptable, so he drew his pistol and shot the five of them dead.

Do you think that he should not have had a pistol?
Do you think that his action was excessive?
Posted by Is Mise, Thursday, 1 March 2018 11:38:57 AM
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Here's an interesting snippet from a person on the front line,

"Salt Lake City, Utah, teacher Kasey Hansen said the idea to arm herself in school began with the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, where 20 children and six adults died.

“It just really hit home that these teachers, all they could do was pile those kids in a corner and stand in front of them and hope for the best,” said Hansen, who carries a concealed handgun as she teaches special education students."

“I’m not here to tell all teachers that they have to carry a gun,” she said. “For me personally, I felt that it was more of a solution than just hiding in a corner and waiting.”

http://www.sltrib.com/news/2018/02/22/utah-already-allows-concealed-weapons-on-campus-could-arming-teachers-stop-shootings/
Posted by Is Mise, Thursday, 1 March 2018 12:38:20 PM
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Nothing re-assures parents more than surrounding
their kids with the kind of teachers who have lots
of weapons and time on their hands!

I suggest putting a teacher in every gun store.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 1 March 2018 12:57:08 PM
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Foxy,

Very interesting and your input is much appreciated, especially your links;
have you sorted out yet what a developed nation is?

Have you yet decided what could be done by a teacher whose school has been invaded by a killer?

I await your answers.
Posted by Is Mise, Thursday, 1 March 2018 1:26:43 PM
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Is Mise,

I'm not interested in your distractions of a
ridiculous debate about arming teachers.

What the debate should be about is the sick
gun culture in the US. It should be about limiting
access to firearms. It should be about universal
background checks, banning assault weapons, taking
away guns from people charged or convicted of crimes.
It should be about making it easier to take away guns
from people who may represent a threat to themselves
or others.

These steps may not end gun deaths in the US and they
certainly won't prevent law-abiding gun owners from
purchasing weapons but they will save lives - and in
the end what else really matters.

I am not interested in engaging with you about having
more guns or lessening gun laws. I find those arguments
irrational.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 1 March 2018 7:02:22 PM
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