AJ thanks for the link. I draw particular attention to the 'validity versus truth' paragraph. As I said previously, the YES are not going to convince the NO's and NO's are not going to convince the YES'. End of!

I’m not sure which paragraph you’re referring to, ALTRAV.

<<I draw particular attention to the 'validity versus truth' paragraph.>>

I don’t think it gets you off the hook, whatever paragraph it is that you’re referring to. Perhaps you could link to the relevant section for me.

<<As I said previously, the YES are not going to convince the NO's and NO's are not going to convince the YES'.>>

Well, that depends on the individual now, doesn’t it. If you could provide me with a rational argument as to why same-sex marriage should not be legislated for, then I can guarantee you I will change my mind.

"The new age of consent will probably be 12 years"

Josephus, you will need it lowered more than that if you want to put all your paedophile clergy in the clear. Why don't you push for say, no age limit then all your clergy can argue "It was consensual!" BTW how many pedos have been exposed in your church? 10, 100, 1000, none? because all of them are still in the closet?

Before you come on here with all your sanctimonious clap trap you should firstly take a look at your own church, and what you personally have done to clean it up, the answer is most likely nothing, and then look up the meaning of the word hypocrite

Dear Josephus,

«Now that SSM is legal,»

It always was.

«the next inequality to be fought for is lowering the age of consent, to decriminalise sex with teenage children.»

So naive to think that government would do anything with our good or the good of our children in mind, or even that sex has anything to do with it - it's all about political power: politicians do what they perceive as good for themselves and for no one else.

Government will not allow marriage at younger ages because they want the children locked up in schools where they can be indoctrinated to pursue and be enslaved by the industrial-technological-consumerist lifestyle (talking about child-abuse...): if a teen-aged girl was to be married, then she could have babies and/or financial security and would no longer be motivated to attend school, thus she would not be brainwashed into becoming part of the work-force, a cog in the machine and a tax-payer, so they understandably fear.

A girl who lives in a natural society would be completely mature and quite capable of consent by the age of 12 (this is not to say that girls are never forced to marry without consent in natural societies, which is bad, but the capability is there and in some cases girls do in fact freely consent). Admittedly, girls who grow up in present "modern" society are typically not mature enough due to the distractions, unnaturalness, confusion and complexity of industrial society - and government is only too happy to cash on this immaturity.

No, government will not allow it, whether or not it is in the girls' true interest, even in cases where common-sense prevails and everyone could see that she enthusiastically consents: they will always think about themselves and their social-engineering projects, never about the girl.

Yuyutsu,

When people say "legal", when discussing this topic, they mean "legislated for". Stop taking people so literally just to push your bizarre anarchist/libertarian hybrid worldview. No-one cares. Go away.

We already have a larger population in our community, who are larger than the Homosexuals that will marry, who approve of child marriage to persons of 9 years, and perform it undercover. Such matters are now discussed in Sydney Law degrees. Half of the Worlds population approve of child marriage and in the third world sell their girls to prostitution to earn money for the family. Our Church supports Destiny Rescue working in Third World Countries to remove children from the sex trade and give them respectable employment, and anyone working near or with children or the vulnerable in our Church have to pass Police clearance regularly. There have been NO convictions!

https://www.destinyrescue.org/aus/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMItfCQxbqP2AIVgTUrCh2s2Ac-EAAYASAAEgJon_D_BwE