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Religion - Is it finally time to know what you believe is probably wrong?

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More then just that though. Paul wrote to Timothy, and encouraged him saying in 2 Timothy 3:10-17 :

You, however, know all about my teaching, my way of life, my purpose, faith, patience, love, endurance, persecutions, sufferings—what kinds of things happened to me in Antioch, Iconium and Lystra, the persecutions I endured. Yet the Lord rescued me from all of them. In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, while evildoers and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

As for Jesus teaching about not calling anyone a condemning name, I agree this puts me at risk. But I did it the first time for your benefit. Consider Mathew 18:15

15 “If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over.

This second time I referenced it was both for your benefit and anyone else still talking to you to consider the discussion so far and judge the merit of that verse. If you see your error and turn away from it it is for your benefit. That is why I referenced it. That said I know I am a fool. We all are. I think that is part of why Jesus said to not call someone a fool. (That and it show you have no real love for the brother you called a fool). None the less, how will you learn unless someone points the fault out to you.

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Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Saturday, 30 December 2017 3:31:11 AM
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How will you be better if you think you've done nothing wrong? You reject all of this now, but hopefully someday you will remember this along with everything else you do, to stir in your heart a reason to change. Who knows this might help you be a better man, or if we're lucky, might bring you to God. Wouldn't that be great?

[I guess with all the other rubbish you believe against God and the failings you have with Jesus' teachings I guess you'll enjoy hell...lol]

Emotional argument. I hope you're catching on. All scripture is of God. (That is all of it in the bible, don't start quoting the Quran and assume that is of the same merit. Like you Islam believes the bible to be in error, so none actually acknowledge history and the words of the prophets as holding merit).

[I don't actually care whatsoever about you...You are simply a Pharisee who knows nothing. Read what Jesus said about Pharisees.

Your actions say otherwise. If you really didn't care you would not have referenced me again earlier while talking to another. (Or were you referencing Runner, I just assumed it was me, because I was being an apologist for you).

As for Pharisees, Jesus critiqued them on being hypocrites. Burdening the people with a weight they themselves neither carried, nor helped the people in their burdens. Their greed. And their murderous intents.

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Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Saturday, 30 December 2017 3:38:27 AM
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Do you believe in any of Jesus's words to see your errors? Or do you believe Jesus to be part of the lies told about your god? The teaching of Jesus from condemning the religious leaders, to the lessons in the parables to the teachings in plain speech that warn us not to turn away from God. All of them can be applied to each of us. The ones to the Pharisees warn us to not be haughty in our knowledge. Or to be a hypocrite. Jesus even gives them a question they answer correctly. Showing that we need to live by Jesus's teachings not just say that we do. Their answer is part of their condemnation. They know better, but refuse it anyways. As I'm sure is your issue as well.

Mathew 21:28-32

What do you think? There was a man who had two sons. He went to the first and said, ‘Son, go and work today in the vineyard.’

“‘I will not,’ he answered, but later he changed his mind and went.

"Then the father went to the other son and said the same thing. He answered, ‘I will, sir,’ but he did not go.

"Which of the two did what his father wanted?”

“The first,” they answered.

Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.

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Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Saturday, 30 December 2017 3:42:18 AM
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[So above I asked you some questions...Let's see you answer them... for that is your methodology...a lot of words but absolutely no knowledge behind them]

Answered. For your benefit of course.

[When did you actually start realising that you knew nothing? Oh the penny still hasn't dropped...
What I suggest you do, if you are smart enough is to read the thread again. I have said nothing wrong but have shown you to be devoid of any knowledge whatsoever.
As you know nothing perhaps you should follow your own advice and be silent. I am obviously a lot classier than you so I won't lower myself to your level...even if I could...lmao]

Once again the argument is only about an emotional reaction, or trying to stir an emotion. Side stepping my (or everyone else's for that matter) points and demanding answers to your points doesn't actually help your case. All it really does is invite your position to fall further if any of your points are addressed and answered. Because you've been unwilling or possibly unable to address anyone else based on their points. (Once again, emotional arguments, lol and lmao are not addressing points).
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As far as I'm concerned this ends the conversation. Don't expect any more replies. My courisity was satified,mind your challenge rebuked. Enjoy talking to yourself if you wish. I'll move on to other topics to read and respond with to,
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Saturday, 30 December 2017 3:49:05 AM
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Not Now Soon has gone to 5 posts missing the points completely but proving he is a Pharisee who defies Jesus and God continually whilst pretending to himself and others that he isn't!

There is nothing emotional about the questions I ask or the answers I give...You simply believe every horrid story against God in the Bible and defy Jesus continually and yet lie by claiming you follow Jesus...

By believing all those lies you prove you are not a Christian....You would rather believe lies against God and defy Jesus than actually admit you are wrong..

God didn't drown anyone as the flood never happened...You believe and spread anti-God lies!

God didn't kill the first born of Egypt or send the plagues as...You believe and spread ant-God lies!

God didn't condone of and sometimes commit infanticide, rape, murder, animal and human sacrifice, ethnic cleansing, war crimes, torture, incest, Mosaic Law - (Sharia), stoning, slavery oppression of women and other atrocities!

God didn't kill the first born of Egypt or send the plagues as...You believe and spread ant-God lies!

Jesus wasn't born on the 25th of December!

What you are saying is that you, even knowing you are 100% wrong and that these dates are the birth dates of supposed Pagan Gods, deliberately, intentionally and wilfuly choose to celebrate the WRONG DAY...(25th), MONTH (December) AND YEAR 2017 of Jesus' birth. You believe and spread ant-God lies!

You can't get any more anti-Christ than that! I'm anti-you so I will celebrate your birthday on 25th June 1940 just to be like you and how you treat Jesus' birth date.

I know it isn't your birth date but like you do to Jesus I don't care to at least try to get it right...lmao

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Posted by Opinionated2, Saturday, 30 December 2017 9:21:15 PM
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You DO defy Jesus and also lie about that defiance.

You take the Lord's name in vain continually by believing and expressing the horrid lies against God that you do!

Do not bear false witness...You do it against me and God with your horrid beliefs against God.

You judge others...Another fail...hypocrite!

Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone...So you must be claiming that you haven't sinned to be throwing the stones you do....This is unequivocal!

I bet you do believe in the Trinity even when Jesus says unequivocally that he isn't God! By ignoring Jesus over and over you are proving your Pharisaical ways...

Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

You still quote Paul even though he taught the following...

Acts 23:6 “But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I AM A PHARISEE, THE SON OF A PHARISEE: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question.”

AND (Where did Jesus teach this?)

1 Timothy 2:11-14 “Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.”

AND

1 Corinthians 14:34-35 “Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.”

AND

1 Corinthians 11:6 For if a woman is not covered, LET HER ALSO BE SHORN. But if it is shameful for a woman to be shorn or shaved, let her be covered.

I don't recall the Oppression of Women verses from Jesus...

Do you?...

More....
Posted by Opinionated2, Saturday, 30 December 2017 9:33:33 PM
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