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Should Tony Abbott Move On?

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Following another attack by Abbott on Malcolm Turnbull’s leadership, claiming Turnbull is nothing but a form of “Labor Light”. Is it time Abbott bit the bullet and either challenged Turnbull for the leadership, for which he does not appear to have the numbers, or simply turn his back on the Liberal Party and the government and do the alternative, possibly do a Cory Bernardi. Could Abbott find a new political home in Bernardi’s Conservative Party? If Abbott was to go that way and take a couple of his die hard supporters with him it would certainly bring down the government.

My earlier claim of a federal election before the end of the year still stands.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbotts-attack-on-malcolm-turnbull-stuns-colleagues-20170224-guku2d.html
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 25 February 2017 7:03:06 AM
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I wish he would move Malcolm Trumble on.
Posted by mmadpat, Saturday, 25 February 2017 9:21:39 AM
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Dear Paul,

I'm not sure what to make of Tony Abbott's recent
criticisms of the government. I realise that as
an experienced politician he has a right to an
opinion however publicly criticising your own
party for things you didn't do yourself when you
were in power does not see quite fair. Plus as
Labor learned the hard way - voters do not like
a party that is not united. You'd think by now
the man would have learned how to be a better team
player. I guess personal ambition conquers everything
else. Perhaps another lesson is waiting in the wings
for him. Some of his colleagues seem to think so
according to The Week-end Australian newspaper.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 25 February 2017 9:59:32 AM
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There's a mongrel British-American mix where a Senate is joined to a House of Reps giving a president / prime minister hybrid. And so it's the "Keating / Howard/ Kev-Julia-Kev" administrations and not Liberal / Labor governments. Abbott sees the god-like status of Howard and wants the same , he plugs for the wonderful Abbott Budget as if people are in awe of the almighty tax papers of antiquity. The monarchy gives a bit of glow to him and even sainthood is possible.
Sir Saint Abbott of Budget.
Posted by nicknamenick, Saturday, 25 February 2017 10:55:41 AM
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The fact is the libs have turned into the 'liberal wets', about as far right as a conservative party can go, and like it or not, Abbotts assesment of the current libs is spot on. Turnbull is a complete dud.

I doubt Abbott will challange as the party he inherited is gone, so his only chance is to join bernardi, or go solo. Either way the libs, under their current form, ar screwed.

The race to the bottom continues.
Posted by rehctub, Saturday, 25 February 2017 11:22:42 AM
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Never liked Abbott especially after his role in the jailing of Pauline ( with Beattie). Abbott was a poor communicator but Turnball is a much worse PM. They must replace him and soon. Maybe Scott or Dutton.

Benardi should join Pauline as 2 IC, Just as Graeme Campbell should have done back in the ninties
Posted by Banjo, Saturday, 25 February 2017 2:30:26 PM
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Abbott had his chance to reduce immigration when he was PM and do away completely with multiculturalism, but failed to do either.
Posted by Banjo, Saturday, 25 February 2017 2:40:21 PM
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This might sound like something out of left field, but its certainly not new in Aussie politics, its all happened before. What if Turnbull was to throw down the gauntlet to Abbott, demanding that he and his conservative supporters leave the Liberal Party to the liberals. Dump the Nationals, and Turnall's Liberals form a coalition government with Labor, I'll buy that. You might have Bill Shorten as PM and Malcolm Turnbull as deputy. What the heck, I think they could work together to form a half decent government, maybe.
They would have a good sized majority in the house of reps, and control of the Senate.
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 25 February 2017 2:41:27 PM
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The backpacker tax must be $ 13.758453 , time and half on Sundays at reduced .1375 tax and plastic cups for child-care orange juice
(Australian not Brazil). CFMEU gets a double office in Malcolm's Mansion , cappuccino and choice of oysters or abalone with wasabi.
Posted by nicknamenick, Saturday, 25 February 2017 4:56:53 PM
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"CFMEU gets a double office in Malcolm's Mansion , cappuccino and choice of oysters or abalone with wasabi"

Some union heavies, past and present, do live high on the hog.
Posted by leoj, Saturday, 25 February 2017 5:45:28 PM
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I am not surprised you would buy such a catastrophe Paul.

Shorten & Turnbull would be about on a par with KRudd & Gillard. God help us, about the only worse pair I can imagine would be a reincarnated Stalin & Mao Tse-tung, & I am not sure they would be worse than the Shorten & Turnbull clowns.

If either of these two fools actually lead our next government it will be time to immigrate to somewhere better governed. Afghanistan or perhaps New Guinea would have to offer a better future than Oz after more of their stupidity.

Should Abbott move on, most definitely not. We need him more than we ever did, even if only as a thunder cloud hanging over Turnbull, to keep his more stupid & ridiculous ideas exposed & opposed.
Posted by Hasbeen, Saturday, 25 February 2017 6:10:08 PM
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The best outcome would be locking the main suspects up on Friday arvo and not let them out until they get agreements. Or make a list of proposals as a dart board and see which gets the most hits.
Posted by nicknamenick, Saturday, 25 February 2017 7:08:50 PM
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Abbott should do what is best for Australia. At the moment, he has Turnbull and the other 54 backstabbing grubs packing the s..ts, which is a beautiful thing.

“Vengeance is mine”, sayeth the Abbott.

The Liberal government is cactus, thanks to its absurd 23.5% RET and high immigration, which has 33% of immigrants on the dole.

The Liberals need to be put out to pasture to contemplate their Turnbull disaster. The only difference between them and Labor is border protection, and One Nation can help the Reds see the error of their ways on that one. The Liberals must be taught that Australians do not want two Labor parties.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 26 February 2017 9:30:38 AM
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yep people have woken to the fact that left wing progressives really means regressive. They won't us to live like animals and pretend its clever.
Posted by runner, Sunday, 26 February 2017 2:57:05 PM
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Paul,

Cabinet ministers have to tow the cabinet line, but not back benchers. As such I always said TA should be given a ministry, not only because he has a decent record, but because it would give MT an experienced battler that kicked the crap out of two labor PMs, and who personally carries a lot of support in the liberal party.

If he leaves parliament, he does so on a $350k + retirement, and is still capable of stating his opinions.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Sunday, 26 February 2017 6:05:53 PM
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Ttnb, not only are 33% on the dole, but the remaining 67% have taken jobs that Aussies should have had. Blind Freddie knows that when job numbers are tightening, the last thing one should do is throw in more competition for less jobs.

I agree with SM, bringing TA up to the front bench would have been a smart move, however, that window of opportunity appears to have closed. The libs are in a complete mess which leaves the punters in la la land, which is why confidence is shot.
Posted by rehctub, Monday, 27 February 2017 6:45:34 AM
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Shadow, if TA had the support you state he garnered from colleagues, why hasn't he made a more measured bid for the top spot - given MT has a lower popularity now than TA did at the time he was ousted ? My bet is the preferences deal with One Nation will bite them on the bum.

Pauline is the quintessential "woman scorned" and if I was her, the best way to serve up a nice cold dish of revenge with extra salt in the wound, would be to kill off the Libs state by state. Barnett looks certain to get hammered here in WA in a few weeks.
Posted by Albie Manton in Darwin, Monday, 27 February 2017 9:12:45 AM
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Pauline does a tasty smorgasbord with Italian ingredients for a peoples' party.
Italian Parliament :

Democratic Party (Partito Democratico)
Five Star Movement (Movimento Cinque Stelle)
Forward Italy (Forza Italia)
New Centre-Right (Nuovo Centrodestra)
Democrats and Progressives (Democratici e Progressisti)
Northern League (Lega Nord)
Liberal Popular Alliance (Alleanza Liberalpopolare)
Italian Left (Sinistra Italiana)
Conservatives and Reformists–Direction Italy (Conservatori e Riformisti–Direzione Italia)
Brothers of Italy (Fratelli d'Italia)
Civic Choice (Scelta Civica)
Minor parties[edit]
Active parties having garnered at least 1% in a general/European election or having had at least 5 MPs, 2 MEPs or 3 elects in 3 different Regional Councils:

Act! (Fare!)
Centrists for Europe (Centristi per l'Europa)
Communist Refoundation Party (Partito della Rifondazione Comunista)
Democratic Centre (Centro Democratico)
Federation of the Greens (Federazione dei Verdi)
Free Alternative (Alternativa Libera)
Great South (Grande Sud)
Identity and Action (Identità e Azione)
Italian Communist Party (Partito Comunista Italiano)
Italian Liberal Party (Partito Liberale Italiano)
Italian Radicals (Radicali Italiani)
Italian Republican Party (Partito Repubblicano Italiano)
Italian Socialist Party (Partito Socialista Italiano)
Italy of Values (Italia dei Valori)
Movement for the Autonomies (Movimento per le Autonomie)
National Movement for Sovereignty (Movimento Nazionale per la Sovranità)
New Italian Socialist Party (Nuovo Partito Socialista Italiano)
Pensioners' Party (Partito Pensionati)
Populars for Italy (Popolari per l'Italia)
Possible (Possibile)
Solidary Democracy (Democrazia Solidale)
Tricolour Flame (Fiamma Tricolore)
Union of the Centre (Unione di Centro)
Regional parties[edit]
Active parties having garnered at least 2% in a regional election (or in a general/European election at the regional level), having elected at least one regional councillor with their own lists or having had at least 2 regional councillors:

Aosta Valley
Valdostan Union (Union Valdôtaine)
Progressive Valdostan Union (Union Valdôtaine Progressiste)
Autonomy Liberty Participation Ecology (Autonomie Liberté Participation Ecologie)
Edelweiss (Stella Alpina)
Aosta Valley Northern League (Lega Nord Valle d'Aosta)
Piedmont
Piedmont Northern League (Lega Nord Piemont)
Moderates (Moderati)
Greens Greens (Verdi Verdi)
Posted by nicknamenick, Monday, 27 February 2017 9:21:38 AM
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Lombardy
Lombard League–Northern League (Lega Lombarda–Lega Nord)
South Tyrol
South Tyrolean People's Party (Südtiroler Volkspartei)
The Freedomites (Die Freiheitlichen)
Greens (Verdi-Grüne-Vërc)
South Tyrolean Freedom (Süd-Tiroler Freiheit)
Citizens' Union for South Tyrol (BürgerUnion für Südtirol)
Alto Adige/South Tyrol Northern League (Lega Nord Alto Adige/Südtirol)
Alto Adige in the Heart (L'Alto Adige nel Cuore)
Ladins Dolomites (Ladins Dolomites)
UnItaly (Unitalia)
Trentino
Trentino Tyrolean Autonomist Party (Partito Autonomista Trentino Tirolese)
Union for Trentino (Unione per il Trentino)
Trentino Project (Progetto Trentino)
Trentino Northern League (Lega Nord Trentino)
Trentino Civic List (Civica Trentina)
Administer Trentino (Amministrare il Trentino)
Ladin Autonomist Union (Unione Autonomista Ladina)
Veneto
Venetian League–Northern League (Liga Veneta–Lega Nord)
Tosi List for Veneto (Lista Tosi per il Veneto)
We Independent Veneto (Noi Veneto Indipendente)
Venetian Republic League (Liga Veneta Repubblica)
North-East Project (Progetto Nord-Est)
Venetian Independence (Indipendenza Veneta)
Veneto First (Prima il Veneto)
Popular Future (Futuro Popolare)
Friuli-Venezia Giulia
Responsible Autonomy (Autonomia Responsabile)
Friuli-Venezia Giulia Northern League (Lega Nord Friuli-Venezia Giulia)
Civic Freedom (Libertà Civica)
Slovene Union (Slovenska Skupnost)
Emilia-Romagna
Emilia Northern League (Lega Nord Emilia)
Romagna Northern League (Lega Nord Romagna)
Liguria
Liguria Northern League (Lega Nord Liguria)
Tuscany
Tuscany Northern League (Lega Nord Toscana)
More Tuscany (Più Toscana)
Marche
Marche Northern League (Lega Nord Marche)
Umbria
Umbria Northern League (Lega Nord Umbria)
Lazio
ItalianHearts (Cuoritaliani)
Campania
Federalist Democracy (Democrazia Federalista)
Democratic Republicans (Repubblicani Democratici)
We the South (Noi Sud)
Apulia
Apulia First of All (La Puglia Prima di Tutto)
Schittulli Political Movement (Movimento Politico Schittulli)
Basilicata
United Populars (Popolari Uniti)
Reality Italy (Realtà Italia)
Calabria
The DemoKRats (I DemoKRatici)
Autonomy and Rights (Autonomia e Diritti)
least 1 MP:
Posted by nicknamenick, Monday, 27 February 2017 9:25:09 AM
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Sicily
Party of Sicilians (Partito dei Siciliani)
Democratic Sicily (Sicilia Democratica)
Pact of Democrats for Reforms (Patto dei Democratici per le Riforme)
Centrists for Sicily (Centristi per la Sicilia)
Sardinia
Sardinian Reformers (Riformatori Sardi)
Sardinian Action Party (Partito Sardo d'Azione)
United (Unidos)
Project Republic of Sardinia (Progetu Repùblica de Sardigna)
Party of Sardinians (Partito dei Sardi)
Red Moors (Rosso Mori)
Sardinian Democratic Union (Unione Democratica Sarda)
Christian Popular Union (Unione Popolare Cristiana)
Independence Republic of Sardinia (Indipendèntzia Repùbrica de Sardigna)
Forward Together (Fortza Paris)
Sardinia Nation (Sardigna Natzione)
Parties of the Italians abroad[edit]
Active parties having garnered at least 15% in one constituency in a general election or having had at least 1 MP:

Associative Movement Italians Abroad (Movimento Associativo Italiani all'Estero)
South American Union Italian Emigrants (Unione Sudamericana Emigranti Italiani)
Parliamentary groups
Parliamentary groups not directly connected to a political party or coalition of political parties:

For the Autonomies (Per le Autonomie)[a]
Great Autonomies and Freedom (Grandi Autonomie e Libertà)
Popular Area (Area Popolare)
Civics and Innovators (Civici e Innovatori)
Jump up ^ The group, active in the Senate since 2001, has been known as "UDC, SVP and Autonomies" in 2008–2013 and "For the Autonomies – PSI – MAIE"
Posted by nicknamenick, Monday, 27 February 2017 9:26:29 AM
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OP, "Following another attack by Abbott on Malcolm Turnbull’s leadership.."

That filter, that it is all about leadership, is one of the common filters employed by activist and media hack alike to sensationalise and to dumb-down an audience that very often already has a short attention span.

I wonder though how many would seek more, some wheat amongst the chaff, even it it was available? Labor's 'Get Up' wouldn't, there is the Abbott Bogeyman to blame and thrash. But then any analysis from the other side is avoided too, to maintain the united front demanded by the 24 hr news cycle. Both sides are in the trenches, hurling epithets at each other, while the Greens act as Court Jester (well, the complete fool part anyhow). That is the nature of 2017 politics.

Whether one might agree or disagree with Abbott's views, it is still worth digging a little deeper,
Sunday Roundtable
Following Tony Abbott's speech proposing a manifesto to bring conservatives back into the fold we ask, is this is the way forward for the Liberal Party?"
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/search/?query=tony+abbott

It is spoken and short.
Posted by leoj, Monday, 27 February 2017 9:56:41 AM
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Albie,

Abbott will never get back the leadership. The 54 backstabbers will never admit that they have made a terrible mistake with Turnbull.

I read a quote a couple of days ago from someone about someone other than Abbott; it went: 'They treated him so badly that they could never forgive him for it', or words to that effect.

Can you really imagine arrogant people like Pyne etc admitting they were wrong?

No. Abbott will never lead again, and he doesn't really deserve to, given his backdown on 18c. He can stay in, crossing the floor at every sensible opportunity and continue doing what he is doing. Or, he can get out altogether so that Team Turnbull loses government sooner rather than later.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 27 February 2017 10:19:58 AM
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What makes you think TA wants the top job anyway. The party is a complete basket case.
Posted by rehctub, Monday, 27 February 2017 4:17:53 PM
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With a terrible plunge in the polls (45% v 55%). Turnbull came out blazing and raging yesterday. Malcolm did not take aim at the traditional foe, Labor and its leader Bill Shorten, but rather fired off a direct salvo at Tony Abbott. Wow! Turnbull, described Abbott's attack of last week as calculated and personal, orchestrated to destabilize his leadership by driving down the polls, and it certainly worked!

How much time is Turnbull spending fighting the forces of "Abbottism" within, and how much time actually running the country, TIME TO CALL AN ELECTION, and have Labor clean up the mess these clowns are making.

It is getting so crowded on the extreme right of the sinking ship, and with only one life jacket, who's going to be thrown overboard first? The Mad Monk, The Lovely Pauline, or maybe it will be Corny Banana or even that hay seed Barnyard himself.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 28 February 2017 5:45:52 AM
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Relax Paul,

There is still nearly 3 yrs until the next election. The coalition is still trying to clear up the mess that the labor greens alliance (especially the clowns Krudd, Juliar, Brown eyed Bob, Krusty Milnge, Syph Hanson Young and Disease Rhiannon) left behind.

Besides, we need time for the ABCC to kick in and control the CFMEU thugs.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 28 February 2017 9:53:27 AM
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Is there anyone from either left, right or centre of Australian politics that could actually take us out of the mess ?

In the past I would have said the "Ship of Fools" was the one containing ALP/LNP/Greens, today it contains each and every one of us.

As much as hammering a keyboard actually achieves in venting our spleens, I think it would be much better if we could educate as many people as possible about the power we have individually under our Constitution and that is to write directly to each and every member and express our will.

But of course we aren't taught this at school & we certainly are not given any information on how to go about this.

From: Deakin: "Popular Sovereignty and the true foundation of the Australian Constitution. Michael D Kirby*

"At law schools throughout Australia, well into the 1960s and possibly much later, it was taught that the historical origins of the Australian Constitution, and they alone, gave that document its legal authority. The origins emphasised were the passage of the Commonwealth Bill through the Parliament at Westminster. Rarely indeed was there reference to the agonising process of the meetings, conferences, conventions, enactments and referenda of the people conducted in this country.

The Constitution has proved highly resistant to formal change. Far more so, I suspect, than Deakin and his referenda enthusiasts would have expected. It is as if all that talk about referenda involving the direct participation of the people, was naive. In actuality, such 'changes' as have been brought about have occurred, in part, by political initiatives using the text of the document in ways that would not have been conceived and, in part, by court decisions endorsing and upholding such legislation or occasionally finding rights and guarantees which the legislators themselves neither saw nor wanted.

Notwithstanding the difficulty for theory and practicality that these inescapable facts of history present, it is impossible to ignore the growing movement which suggests that the ultimate sovereignty, reflected in the Australian Constitution, is now to be taken as reposing in the Australian people themselves."
Posted by Albie Manton in Darwin, Tuesday, 28 February 2017 10:21:50 AM
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Turnbully is now blaming Abbott for the poll slump. Abbott is not the reason for the growing misfortunes of the Coalition. The one and only reason for voter disenchantment is Turnbully himself, a complete dud of a man, and the worst Coalition PM ever. His massive failure is made worse by his claims that he was better than Abbott, that Abbott had to be removed and replaced by him. The man deserves no sympathy, and it is hoped that Abbott hounds him out.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 28 February 2017 10:22:44 AM
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Tony Abbot should do what Tony Abbot thinks is best for Tony Abbot.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 28 February 2017 10:38:41 AM
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During the election TA was silent, and the coalition in spite of MT won the election.

However, given that there is nearly 3 yrs to the next election TA has the right to voice his opinion especially since MT kept him out of the cabinet.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 28 February 2017 10:57:55 AM
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its amazing how the hatred of the left continue to spew their bile on Abbott. I remember a number of posters here (mainly from the sisterhood) who stated that he could never become PM. They stated he could never stop the boats, they stated he could never abolish the idiotic breathing tax. The likes of Marr still soothe with hatred every time he is given an abc microphone. In America the regressives hatred will remain on Trump for many years to come as he treats the lefist media with the contempt they deserve. I wonder if Abbott was to move on who the bile of the left would then be directed at. The bile is irrational, full of hatred and largely uncalled for but still an obsession with the abc and other lefties whose repulsive dogmas and pseudo science is know being exposed.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 28 February 2017 12:00:01 PM
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How can anyone excuse an election run on lies, and Abbott the only one allowed to recite policy. Abbott was a fraud that is why no one else could get a word in.
An election fought on lies and won on lies. Bulletins baffles brains he treated the country as if they were a nation of minors.
His memory will last forever, that is why bill nearly made the seats needed last election.
And of course some would say coalition won the last election. After winning back such a huge amount of loss through lies being told by Abbott. I would say labor clearly won that election but lost on a technicality..
Abbott retained his electorate seat and said he would no be disruptive player in parliament. The idiots that can still show support for a liar and a fraud is beyond common sense.
Posted by doog, Tuesday, 28 February 2017 7:39:56 PM
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"How can anyone excuse an election run on lies"

Well spotted doog. You are incensed about Labor's Mediscare fraud, no doubt.
http://www.news.com.au/national/federal-election/labors-medicare-scare-campaign-a-stunt-to-get-votes-from-australians/news-story/eb3cb7b92988f397dfd0d599da9b2ca5

As for 'It's Abbott, Abbott, Abbott', it is a jolly good thing that some pollie has got off his rear end to publish a political philosophy and some solutions.

I guess the others are too busy travelling. What is that fright Willie Shorten up to these days? Still no ideas from him, just 'nope', 'nuthin' and negatives?
Posted by leoj, Tuesday, 28 February 2017 8:24:47 PM
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Shadow, a rather oddly amazing strategy there, make an even bigger putrid mess than the other guy, and hope to hell everyone will only remember his putrid mess, and not yours! Amazing! The next election may as well be a 1,000 years away, this mob of front stabbing fools led by Turnbull and Abbott have as much chance of lasting to then as does the Lovely Pauline have of becoming Islams next Grand Mufti.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 28 February 2017 10:31:49 PM
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Obviously the left are terrified Abbott will become PM again, hence their continued rabid attacks on him.

They realise he has learnt his lesson well. It will be no more Mr nice guy, trying to be reasonable, & carry the fools of the left & greens along with him. There will be no more trying to accommodate them in his policy direction.

No way. He will ram through the desperately needed policies, & get what is needed. He showed his metal in stopping the boats, & getting rid of the carbon tax, then tried to accommodate the stupidity of the left.

With Trump now providing a model of how to treat the left, even if not quite hard enough to be ideal, I reckon he would be a very different bloke. The left are right to run scared, but the mood of the western world is turning very hard against them.

Just imagine if Abbott & Pauline could bury their past, & come together. There wouldn't be a lefty or greenie game to raise their head above the parapet. Hell between them they just might be able to stop immigration & close down the ABC & SBS.

Keep it up Tony, you give us hope.
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 12:51:28 AM
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Hassy, you are in your element supporting the rights lunatic fringe. Come next election you will have a plethora of such wacko's to choose from. The Lovely Pauline, The Mad Monk, Corny Banana, what a smorgasbord of fools, you wont know where to start.

Turnballs, got something right yesterday; "disunity is death!" and it wont be long before rigamortis set into this dead carcass of a government.

Interesting that 'Fat' George Christensen resigned his senior position of chief whip for the National Party yesterday. Is 'Fat' George about to jump? This bloke is one of the leading 'white anters' within the government. Will that dud Dutton throw his claim in for the top job sooner rather than later? Could he usurp The Mad Monk himself as the titular ruler of the ratbag right within? Will the homophobic and public servant hating Eric Abetz do the right thing and also quit? Another leading white anter within! Just a normal day in the life of this dysfunctional government.

ELECTION TIME!
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 4:43:03 AM
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Paul,

Another prediction, Lucky I don't bet on them or I would be a pauper.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 8:44:57 AM
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Regardless of who runs this country, we need a person of action, one with not only the balls, but one who will use them. So far we have Dutton and Abbott, and Morrison in the back ground, but i dont see anyone in the labor party with what it takes. Hell, between lying about penilty rates and fighting for the right for queers to be equal in marriage, what else do these fools stand for.

Either way, Turnbull and his 'liberal wets' have to go. Lets face it, as a leader Turnbull is mych better suited as a labor mp.
Posted by rehctub, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 10:14:19 AM
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Disunity is death. Disfunction is voter turn off. This govt, ticks all the boxes. Has been and his Di hards are incredible to Barack for a govt that can not cease internal fighting.
The rot set in with jack boot John and his work choices. He was having amazing fun selling off everything he could get his hands on. Including 5 cents per litre gas to Japan locked in for eternity. Until then he was doing ok.
The last DD election has caused more delusion ment than ever before.
Whipping a dead horse will never make it a Melbourne cup winner. Those that say it,s 2.5 years to the next election are gamblers.
Turnbull has run his race, being the only one for the coalition to turn to, with the nationals in tatters and becoming increasingly weaker time is ripe for revaluation.
Posted by doog, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 10:46:10 AM
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Well I'm going to stick my neck out and say
that I believe that Malcolm Turnbull and
the Coalition will win the next election in 2019.

It's in the cards. Since Canberra became Australia's
capital in 1927 - every conservative government coming
to office from opposition has won 3 or more general
elections. I don't see this changing under the Turnbull
leadership. Malcolm Turnbull will continue to be
our Prime Minister. Nobody else is up to the task.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 9:29:09 PM
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Foxy. If Turnbull was allowed to be prime minister by his own party I think you are right.
But he has that much against him in his chosen party that is going to make it virtually imposiable for him to continue.
Parliament is full of white ants, with bunkers underground , which I was a part of the building teem, which I have never heard of in media.
It was all about the cost of the flag pole which made the news .
People can see Turnbull as is, it,s his own opposition in his own parliament that are the grubs in the wood pile..
Posted by doog, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 10:54:10 PM
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Dear doog,

I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.
Once thing that the Coalition has to learn (as
Labor did the hard way) voters do not like a
disunited party.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 2 March 2017 1:36:38 PM
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More than disunited parties, Ozzies don't like incompetent no hoper leaders. That is why we have had so many Prime ministers recently.

In the last few years we have had KRudd, Gillard & Turnbull, all absolutely incompetent no hopers.

We have Abbott who offered some hope, but turned to water far too easily when challenged on his policies.

So what are we left with. There are the ratbag greens, so totally off the planet no thinking person could vote for them, & Pauline.

Pauline has the ability to see through the mess to actually see & define most of our problems, but does she have the ability to fix any of them.

Unfortunately if she quickly expands her party to have enough members elected to take government, she is likely to include far too many ratbags in the fold. They will be different to the Green ratbags, but ratbags none the less, as we have seen with quickly growing parties in the past.

About the only prospect for good government I can see is Pauline steadying the horses, & growing only quickly enough to take the balance of power.

With the greens eliminated from power there would be some chance for a government of either party, moderated by One Nation to at least give less bad government than we have had in a decade or more.

As for good government, I'm afraid we are just going to learn to whistle dixie.
Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 2 March 2017 4:35:42 PM
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From Chresby.

"The Constitutions of Commonwealth/State give the Queen, Her appropriate representatives - the sole power and authority, at any time of their choosing, to dissolve the so-called Lower House and send those Members back to the electorate. IF directed by the WRITTEN WILL of the people the Queen or Her Representative, MUST dissolve the Lower House.

This is 1 of 2 vital powers of control over parliamentarians and parliament that the people possess. The other is to ask the Queen to give them the specified results they want from the parliamentary machine.

Always remember this vital fact: IF it is physically possible AND the majority of people want it, then the Queen has FINAL powers to make certain that the People get what they want. No court would rule against the exercise of the Queen's power in that respect.

That is not in the best interests of the political parties, for it is the end of Party control over the voice and vote of Members of Parliament, unarguably.

Stressing that: "The lawful duty and obligation of every elector continuously to inform his Federal and State Members of Parliament, and State Senators, of what his WILL is on everything that comes before Parliament, or should come before the Houses of the Parliament."

By not doing this, members and Senators have a plausible excuse for not carrying out their judicially defined legal duty and legal function, thus enabling party manipulators and controllers to retain their dictatorship over the voices and votes of your Members and Senators and of the machinery of Parliament to to impose their will upon you.

Shorn of all legal jargon, the Constitutions of the Commonwealth and the six Australian States provide for the operation of an almost perfect form of democratic parliament IF YOU - THE PEOPLE, choose to apply the power and authority which those Constitutions give to you.

The sole and only legal limit to the power and authority of the Queen is the unknowable extent of what her People - at any time of their choosing, MAY directly request of Her."
Posted by Albie Manton in Darwin, Friday, 3 March 2017 11:34:09 AM
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Nearly right , but the advice of the PM rules Peter / Elizabeth. If the population majority roll down the grass slope on the House and set up a guillotine to execute him , the PM can still smile his dimples and twinkles and say it's a nice day. He can appoint any Liberal party animal boozer as Judges who can say the Electoral Act is Labor CFMEU rorts and Malcolm is set for life . The Royal Navy is west of Suez , west of Gibraltar and almost broke.
Posted by nicknamenick, Friday, 3 March 2017 1:04:09 PM
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Is this an act of stupidity or isthe Man Monk Abbott, making a calculated political play, or does he have a political death wish for his "good friend" Money Bags Malcolm, don't answer that it is a rhetorical question. With the Coalition vote standing at 3 down from 4 last month, Abbott has called om Turnbull to "put the boot into workers" Little Johnny Howard style, and by workers I mean voters, and their pay packets! What Abbott's agenda is, who knows, is it to make his "good friend" even more unpopular than he is now, and open the crack for a leadership bid even wider. Time will tell, looks like Money Bags is not buying for the moment at least!
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 4 March 2017 8:11:13 AM
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It amazes me when people refer to the fair work commissions suggestion on penalty rates as 'putting the boot into workers', when in reality they are suggesting a correction which in all fairness is in keeping with the current times.

Notwithstanding the fact that very few consider the position of the employers, the reality is the boom times are gone, and wages, like anything else, need the flexibility to go down, just as they went up during the boom years.

Times have changed and those providing the jobs are hurting and if we continue to hurt them, the risk takers, they will stop taking the risks. By all means keep pushing, but don't say we were not warned of the possible consequences.

I'm close to shutting my shop on Sundays simply because I pay for three butchers wages but can only employ two due to penalty rates. So in effect these two will loose one and a half days pay.
Posted by rehctub, Sunday, 5 March 2017 8:47:23 AM
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Unions are probably the most greatest force when it comes to job destruction.

They destroyed most British industry, including coal mining. They then destroyed our car & iron industries, & are making many of our services so expensive that we are going broke.

Fortunately many workers are not as stupid as unions. If given the opportunity they can be very smart. In the Whitsundays I had 3 complete crews to run 2 large tourist boats 7 days a week, 14 runs. During the pilot strike however I could only economically run them 5 days a week. With their fuel consumption it was much cheaper to leave them on the mooring than run them more.

Like most operations, we were struggling to stay afloat with dramatically reduced cash flow, but still huge overheads. Obviously I could not pay for crew I did not have a job for, so gave them the option. I could sack one complete crew, or they could all go onto a 4 day week, & save all their jobs.

They, to a person, chose the 4 day week, saved their jobs, & 4 months later were back to normal. Two other operations, with staff more into unions, had considerable layoffs.

This may have been easier in this industry, where the nature of the operation meant long days with some overtime every day, so incomes were above average. However it showed they were more interested in everyone having a job, rather than getting more for themselves.

I think most people would agree to this, if the options were laid out accurately to them, & they were given a personal choice.
Posted by Hasbeen, Sunday, 5 March 2017 11:19:50 AM
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P Hanson of One Liberal has voted for Putin as PM . Pauline knows the price of fish and caviar:
"Russians are finally getting some good news. Minimum wage is going up by 20%. Russia's Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said pay for low wage workers will go up to $ Au138 a month in July, from the current a month $115 . It will be the second raise in 2016 after a 4% raise in January.
Average wage in 2017 $Au6700 year."

"- Sunday is a general holiday for all employees in Russia. ... Working a weekend day or public holiday is paid at least double the usual amount ..."
Posted by nicknamenick, Sunday, 5 March 2017 8:31:22 PM
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Nickname, When penalty rates were set for the likes of retail and hospitality, the shops/cafes and Rest were not generally open on Sundays and definitely not on public holidays.

Society has changed its ways and now sees the likes of Sundays as a 'family day out' and as such demands the likes of cafes, shops and rests to be at their beck and call and, if one chooses not to open, they will frequent the ones who do open, and these are often the ones who pay cash anyway.

So if society demands the shops etc be at their bec and call, then the businesses should not pay the piece.

There are two solutions, one being a mandatory surcharge, 15% for Saturdays and 25% Sundays, 30% Pub hols, or option two, close at 11.30 on Saturday as we did prior to 1990 and reopen on Monday providing its not a PH.

Personally, I would go for option 2 as I have seen first hand how extended hours have ruined many a family life.
Posted by rehctub, Monday, 6 March 2017 7:45:33 AM
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Comrade Putin is strong man , gives strength to all people against enemies of great nation. Pauline is strong woman , serves people with strong fish and protects family children from starvation .
Posted by nicknamenick, Monday, 6 March 2017 8:14:34 AM
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That's right NNN, back in the 80's I would often take the family out on a Sunday to a cafe, where we wold spend a pleasant 4 or 5 hours banging on the doors, wishing they would open so the kids could enjoy a 'Baby Cheno', Sure beats going to the beach.

Butch, if your claim that chop shops like yours, are doing it tough, then I would expect to see prices plummeting, there is certainly no evidence of that. In fact prices seem to be constantly on the rise, indicating a buoyant market. The same would apply to coffee shops.

Its time action was taken against the criminal retail law breakers who are avoiding tax, the cash only mob, flouting the law by robbing workers of their legitimate entitlements. The Seven 11's, the Bakers Delight and the two bob over supplied coffee shop market.
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 6 March 2017 8:19:34 AM
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Hey how about this :
With no GST invoice the payer can with-hold the tax :
" This amount is 46.5 percent of the total payment owed unless the payment is less than $75 ".

I've wanted to try holding back about half the price for cash sales but legally I couldn't. But yeah , the $100 cash jobs , take $46 off and write to tax office . Don't get the bloke back again for another job though particularly if you get a black eye.
Posted by nicknamenick, Monday, 6 March 2017 12:31:22 PM
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nickname the cash invoice, in most cases, is a cheaper option offered by the tradesman. When you think about it, a pensioner can hardly afford $80 to have their washing machine checked, let alone an extra $8 tax.

Paul, the reason most employers pay cash is because they avoid the likes of rediculous penalty rates (we agree to disagree on) escalting work cover premiums and super. In fact, it has been suggested the likes of Coles give some staff 2 or 3 four hour shifts per month to avoid super. Nothing wrong with that except big brother, in all their wisdom has erroded workers hours through shifting welfare to employers rather than governments them selv es.
Posted by rehctub, Tuesday, 7 March 2017 3:21:21 PM
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