Antje, I'm not really sure what you are getting your knickers
in a twist about there, makes no sense to me.

As to live exports, I'd say those who know most about them
are the West Australians involved and the buyers in the Middle
East. Don't you worry about that :)

I am not animal liberation

Nor others working to Promote Free Range, improve animal welfare.

Its not just WA that are exporting live animals, its national.

We are working with middle East and others and there are many not! against opening more plants in Australia.

Mark Vailes job really -however!


You middle men are the ones against it for your trade dollars!

Read the AFIC media realese!

We are against out tax money going overseas to build when it should be spent building here!.


Animal liberation are also a dedicted group of people.

We support them in almost! every way other than their refusal to go that one step futher and promote Free Range Farmers and open more plants.

What you have got then are people raising funds for animals for no benefit to those same animals.[ Sue if you wish Glenyce]

Pig Farmers is right. Some of these people are working to raise funds and for their own agenda.

Others are led around by the nose of PETA. If you do not support Free Range farmers then you are indeed yup A hypocrite because 96 percent of the public eat meat.


We are the first to open a support Free Range Farmers Support Standing up to the extreme Animal Libbers, that mean well but do so much damage.

Piggerys such as the one that Amanda Vanstone has shares in is a utter disgrace!

Pigs are very intellegent . Shame

Shame on our Government and why? has the Australian people not insisted on her resignation as a representive of this country?

Well Amanda you know about it now!~ Dont you? what are You! doing about it?

Will you? Amanda speak out? Get your close buddies to change the one hundred year old laws for Animal Welfare Amanda.?

Introduce some proper codes of common decency practise and close down all the hell holes that this intensive farming

Pllleeeaase dont give us the usual garb about so called codes of practise.

Cruel is Cruel.

Why dont you set an example buy reforming that place of yours to Free Range Amanda?

Slow down Antje (?) Honestly, I am having a hard time following what you are talking about. I did get the Amanda Vanstone part though.

Unfortunately, Amanda Vanstone is operating within the law. Even the RSPCA had to admit that. She is just one of many intensive piggeries that make live export look like a cruise on the Fairstar.

Did you lodge a submission about the draft code of practice (pigs) ? I wonder how many people even filled in the questionnaire that was required. They asked so many questions about pigs that I feel people were scared off (some just because they realised they knew nothing at all about what they were fighting for)

People like amanda aren't going to convert to free range. Its labour intensive and I dont see her mucking out straw and pig poo, carting feed out to paddocks, covering farrowing sows with hutches etc. She'd have to hire someone and that would cut into the profits.

"You middle men are the ones against it for your trade dollars!"

Umm not sure who you think is a middle man here Antje, certainly
not me. Personally I don't even sell to the live trade as I don't
produce merino wethers. That does not mean I am not fully aware
of how critical income from the live trade is for WA farmers,
given the backward meat industry here. Many friends of mine
depend on that extra income to feed their families.

Most of those sheep have in fact had a pretty good life in sheep
terms. Outdoors for virtually all their lives, wethers do little
but chew grass and admire the scenery. They even had their moms
look after them as lambs, no cruel removal from mom as a 2 day old.

By the time they are 2-3 years old they are thumping big sheep
that could easily knock you arse over tit if they decided to.
A couple of weeks on a boat, looking at the bigger scheme of things,
whilst they gain weight, is for me just not an issue. There are
plenty of animal welfare issues that are huge, this is not one
of them.

"We are against out tax money going overseas to build when it should be spent building here!."

Your tax money is not spent building plants overseas, but certainly
advising how to build better plants, where animal welfare becomes
an issue. Read some of the vet reports from over there, as to
what they actually do. As your contribution is perhaps 3c, I don't
think you have a point. There are many things that the federal Govt
spends money on, that I don't agree with, the same with all of us

Yabby...

I feel you only started this thread to take away from the other 2 threads by Scout and Celivia..

You cannot discredit the majority of posters on there as 'hypocrites'.
Even if they arent farmers and the like..
Some pple such as myself are consumers who go to their local supermarket every week and buy meat eggs and milk and by doing so by virtue of that practice alone, have a say in and become part of this whole issue.
As much as youd like to make it about farmers and producers in general that doesnt mean to say that the general consumer is not interested in and doesnt know what theyre talking about from theyre own perspective.
It is the consumer who is the one person in this whole debate who is the in the position of greatest power..they speak amongst themselves ,swap ideas and it is they who generate the dollar in the community and direct where and how it is spent.

You just cant assume that we are all ignorant of the world around us.
'Ripping kids off tits' is a derogatory statement about women in general...PG is a 'woman'and I ,Ozkiddy, use that term very loosely,
as a grandmother you ought to be ashamed of your vulgar potty mouth.
No self respect.Yes Lee, Im speaking to you.|:

You ought to feel very proud of the way you have conducted yourself on OLO and your cold hearted attacks on good caring pple.

That last post was mean to read not PG but PF ie Pigfarmer..Id hate that to be lost her.