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Deradicalise Islamists? Phooey!

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Craig Minns,

"at its root is a fear of change"

Exactly, the fear of Nazism, Communism, Fascism and Islamic theocracy are all entirely rational attitudes. You really don't now anything about Islam's history or contemporary Muslim majority countries, do you?
Posted by mac, Monday, 17 October 2016 2:30:27 PM
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mac,
I get it, you're scared.

As far as Nazism and Fascism go though, they prospered because decent people were scared and they were prepared to allow people who promised them simple solutions to do things in their name they would never do themselves. Those decent people are now forever tarred with the same brush as those who committed the worst of atrocities in their name.

You old blokes should know better, but you're happy to "bravely wave the boys goodbye again", just so you can feel a little less scared of your own imaginations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnSA2EDPGpw

Show some leadership and some guts. It's what made this country great.

I asked you some time ago what you've done recently you're proud of. You never answered.
Posted by Craig Minns, Monday, 17 October 2016 2:50:07 PM
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Not only the names have changed, the big change is the philosophy.
The ones that you mention, Craig, had a religious philosophy and a political one, but they were separate; Muslims have Islam which is an unwavering combination of politics and religion, there's the rub.
Posted by Is Mise, Monday, 17 October 2016 3:01:28 PM
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It makes no difference, Is Mise.

Political Islamists are driven by exactly the same motivations as political National Socialists and they prosper within their own cultural milieu for exactly the same reasons. They promise a golden future to people who feel the world is agin them and they wrap it up in flowery evocations of the glory of sacrifice that will be justified in some nebulous future.

The difference is that the German people were experts at modern warfare. They wrote the book on it and they had a whole modern economy to create their armies. Islamist populist rabble-rousers are no more than that, reliant on what they can beg borrow and steal and their influence will die as quickly as it began if potential recruits are not driven into their arms by those who should know better.

Look, I don't for a second disagree that the leadership of ISIS are mongrel dogs who should be put down as quickly and painlessly as possible, but panicking because a couple of damaged kids with nothing to lose, from a part of the world that's been kicked around for centuries, have given into the false promises of the glory of sacrifice is ridiculous.
Posted by Craig Minns, Monday, 17 October 2016 3:14:53 PM
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As long as we have extremely high youth unemployment coupled with excessive high government and corporate wages you will have youth that can see themselves with no real future joining radical movements if only for psychological self preservation.
A group of socio economically deprived kids read of an $8,000 a week wage or see the local real estate guru drive past in his new BMW or they see a family relative die of some curable medical condition because they couldn't get them to a hospital in time of course they are going to feel deprived, disadvantaged and disillusioned.
Their minds are wide open to any suggestion that offers what they see as hope. If this means radicalization then so be it. After all is there anything else for them.
We should have realized from the progressive decay of aboriginal community life that the next logical step in the social degenerative function is radicalization.
If you are going to breed a population you have to provide the means to support that population otherwise they will take matters into their own hands.
Posted by chrisgaff1000, Monday, 17 October 2016 4:46:29 PM
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Craig Minns

You are ignorant of Islam and its history, which explains your smugness and complacency and the ad hominem attacks. Or are you just a troll?
Posted by mac, Monday, 17 October 2016 5:32:10 PM
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