Don't 'Duuhhh' me thanks Bazz, for your own sake, Lol
coz I'll just 'Duuhhh' you back..

All you old timers have been fed crap for years.
Just don't blame me alright, blame the 'internet'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCollum_memo
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/pearl.php#axzz4OWg5leq3
(You might have to scroll down the page a little to get to the article.)
Happy Reading....

AC; That is all a very old story.
The Japanese had plans on SE Asia and Indonesia very early on because
of the oil they needed.
All the diplomatic pressure in the world would not have made them
attack the US if they did not fear the US intervening.
If the Japanese had not attacked the US, the US would not have entered the war.

Hey Bazz,
I honestly don't know the truth about any of the historical stuff I argue for or against; I wasn't there.

If someone wants to sell me one story, then I've got just as much right to examine any and all aspects of that story; to question it; to doubt it and to consider any and all other versions; not just 'the official one'.

Sometime I argue just for the right to question.
Sometimes I truly believe the official story is wrong.
Always I'm more concerned about the present than the past.

Now I don't really know what happened with Pearl Harbor.
But just by the front page headlines of two Hawaiian newspapers (shown in previous link) a week before the attack it seems to me the attack was in fact expected, at some level.

Now, from what I understand the US did in fact carry out these 8 things previous to the Japanese attack to draw Japan into a surprise attack. (which was their MO)

There's plenty more stuff (and plenty I haven't really looked into) that would lead one to think US knew what was going on, some articles I've read say the US had the Japanese naval codes JN-25 and were able to understand JN-25b immediately; other say JN-25b wasn't cracked till the following year.

But just the fact those articles were in the Hawaiian newspapers Nov 30, and that the Japanese changed the codes again Dec 4 should've told any reasonable thinking person something was up, and that an attack was very much expected.

Sorry for acting smart earlier....

From my reading on the subject the US did know that the Japanese were
up to something and of course Hawaii was an obvious target.
Malaya was also on the list and in fact was attacked before Pearl Harbour.

They lost track of the carrier and escorts but if I remember there
was an argument about their intentions.
Probably now impossible to get a definitive answer to these questions.

Hey Bazz,
I think if there was any definitive evidence than it might be found in the classified documents pertaining to decoded intelligence prior to the attack.
I'm not sure how much of this info was ever made public.

Let's get back on Subject.

What do you recon the chances of de-radicalising the likes of Steelie, Poirot, Minnsy, etc,. Not a chance in Hell.

There are a few others we haven't heard from for a while. Maybe they been killed in Syria, with any luck.