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USA: Cops killing Blacks - Raciest Homicide or Justified ?

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Is Mise,
The death of Mr Ward in outback W.A occurred in a prison transport van driven by G4S security guards, not police.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr_Ward
There's no comparison between Aboriginal deaths in custody and what's happening in the U.S, both Philandro Castile and Alton Sterling were armed with concealed pistols, Tamir Rice was carrying an imitation gun while Mike Brown and Trayvon Martin both stupidly attacked armed men and lost their lives as a result.
Aborigines are rarely, if ever armed with handguns and rarely shot by police, I wonder how many American Negroes die in custody, under suspicious circumstances and why there's not more focus on those deaths?
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 1:47:43 PM
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Jay,

"The death of Mr Ward in outback W.A occurred in a prison transport van driven by G4S security guards, not police."

A moot point, I was merely pointing out that the same thing can happen in Australia, the US doesn't have a patent on callousness.

"There's.... both Philandro Castile and Alton Sterling were armed with concealed pistols,"

You neglect to point out that they were both legally so armed and possibly in both cases and certainly in one, they had informed the police of the fact; as is common practice and courtesy
Posted by Is Mise, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 2:57:18 PM
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Thank you everyone for some really terrific comments and observations. I have no greater nor less appreciation of the events taking place in the US between police and the African American community than anyone else.

Something I do think is entirely possible, as some of you have already eluded too - If something's not done reasonably soon, to try and repair the poor relations between the 'Law' and many of the dispossessed, including African Americans, Hispanics and other minorities within American society. The spectre of some sort of armed insurrection is not entirely out of the question ? From all accounts, the necessary weaponry is already in place.

The only thing stopping it is purely logistics, the inability to properly marshal all available manpower (numbers), in order to properly shatter the 'illusion' police have of their natural superiority over these groups, in situ ? Specifically in the projects, abandoned multi-storied housing and commercial premises, all of which can be found in any major American city. These areas are the sole preserve of the Gangs, (pardon the slang - 'the hood(s)' as such, they're controlled exclusively by armed criminal elements.

The one outcome no law-enforcement body wishes to repeat:- Is Waco TX. It's for this reason any future armed sedition, will be met by police in a much more 'measured' way. Yet still the police have this false belief, they're superior to these gangs. The Gangs allow the police to perpetuate this notion of superiority, because it suits them. Knowing they're NOT constricted by any convention, nor is there any legal accountability imposed, similar to that of police. Neither are they limited by the awful fallout, arising from the bungled assault that occurred at Waco TX, by Special Agents of the FBI and ATF.

And I wouldn't have a fundamental clue how to defuse such a critical mass !
Posted by o sung wu, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 2:57:37 PM
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Hi there POIROT...

Thank you very much for joining in the discussion, I appreciate it. I agree with much of what you've reported emanating from, Messrs Charles RAMSEY and Barack OBAMA. From my own observations, and conversations within my hearing, racism in the United States is so deeply entrenched and widespread, included in almost all demographics, I don't believe they'll ever be able to shed it's pervading evil in the foreseeable future.

To a certain extent, I apportion a small part of the blame on the legislature, for making it law. The population 'shall' accept African Americans in all areas and vocations within American society? I don't believe you can 'force' someone to like and accept another, under all circumstances, it's an educational process, not a mandated process in my view.
Posted by o sung wu, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 3:31:12 PM
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o sung wu, for the sake of the vast majority of Americans who are good people I hope you are wrong. Violence can only lead to more violence, more killings, and it is the good people who will suffer.
America has a tradition of being a violent society and unfortunately many see the only response to that violence is with more violence. I was not shocked by the events in Dallas, I expect that in American society, given the way it is. What was a bit of a shock was a black kid in the Dallas protest with an automatic weapon slung over his shoulder, nothing to do with the shootings, but he was just exercising his right to "bear arms" in Dallas not Baghdad.
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 6:40:26 AM
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Hi, o sung wu,

"To a certain extent, I apportion a small part of the blame on the legislature, for making it law. The population 'shall' accept African Americans in all areas and vocations within American society? I don't believe you can 'force' someone to like and accept another, under all circumstances, it's an educational process, not a mandated process in my view."

That, of course, is moot - "American society" is everyone...all the humans. Notwithstanding that all societies have an underclass - that's the class that get's to shoulder all the menial work and takes the brunt of hard times. In America it's African Americans and Hispanics. The other strata is poor white folk. These are of particular interest and utilisation because they are the ones who are emboldened by the snake oil of folks like Trump. Trump targets them because he realises they are poor and uneducated and easy prey for a little demagoguery. He knows they are vulnerable and scared and he's happy to raise their fear levels to accommodate a little Muslim hate to go with the rest of it.

Works a treat as we've seen with his equivalent in Australia in the likes of Hanson et al.

......

Paul,

That fella walking down the street to the peaceful demonstration with an AR-15 over his shoulder in camouflage gear seemed to have everyone's sympathy that he was initially splashed all over the media as a suspect in the shooting.

I wuz just exercising my Second Amendment right he said.

My take is how insane is a society that allows civilians to wander about with semi-automatic weapons draped across their bodies in ordinary peaceful urban settings. His was just one of a number of firearms handed to police by people at the march that day...those folks quite happy to strut about in what can only be described as intimidatingly - and when reality bites and some nutter starts shooting, they feign dismay that they are targeted as suspects.
Posted by Poirot, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 7:45:59 AM
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