//These are the exceptions that prove the rule.//

"Exception, n. A thing which takes the liberty to differ from other things of its class, as an honest man, a truthful woman, etc. "The exception proves the rule" is an expression constantly upon the lips of the ignorant, who parrot it from one another with never a thought of its absurdity. In the Latin, "Exceptio probat regulam" means that the exception tests the rule, puts it to the proof, not confirms it."
- Ambrose Bierce, 'The Devil's Dictionary'

The only rule that Suse has managed to confirm is that belonging to the Christian faith is no guarantee of common decency. Which we already knew if we've been paying attention to a recent royal commission. Mind you, the same can be said of any faith or the absence of faith.

//Still no luck finding a muslim congregation that is pro gay rights?//

I dunno about specific congregations, but there are definitely queer-friendly Muslims:

http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2016/06/13/481853353/what-queer-muslims-are-saying-about-the-orlando-shooting

That rainbow flag burqa may be the strangest thing I have ever seen.

//If gays think equality means "The right to sexualise and indoctrinate young Australian children on the basis of some perceived discrimination then I most certainly oppose that.//

Don't worry, Armchair Critic. They don't.

Your second guess was the correct one:

//For a gay person equality means "The right to be gay free from discrimination"//

That is what equality means: being treated the same as everybody else. So, if you should be free to be straight free from discrimination, then other people should be free to be gay free from discrimination. If that isn't the case then you have an inequality. Another example of an inequality is if somebody was happy to slander gay people in favour of equality as pedophiles, but they would never consider applying that slur to straight people in favour of equality.

//So gay's idea of equality includes sexualising and indoctrinating other peoples kids with a gay ideology in the hope that there will be less discrimination.//

Non sequitur.

//Kids will bully or make fun of each other over new shoes.//

Only if they're jerks. The idea of raising children is to train them not to be jerks. If you dismiss bullying as just 'kids will be kids' you're a bad parent and a bad person.

//I'm not going to support the gay equality idea if that means indoctrinating children with a gay sexual ideology//

It doesn't. You can't teach people to be gay or straight any more than you can teach them have blue or brown eyes. 'Conversion therapy' and related notions are a myth invented by the religious right which you have swallowed hook, line and sinker because, as has already been established, you are the most gullible man in all of space and time.

//I choose discrimination of gays//

Then you're a jerk. Your parents failed. But it's your right to be a jerk so you don't need to justify yourself to us; you could have saved yourself a lot of typing by succinctly expressing your views as 'I hate queers'.

SM,

I'm not comparing you to Trump per se.

You display far more decorum than he - and don't appear to suffer from rampant narcissism as does he.

However, for the purposes of this thread, there's little difference in intent between your posts and Trump's tweets, which appear to be demonise all Muslims in the wake of the shooting.

You totally dismiss the liklihood that Mateen was considerably unbalanced when he committed the atrocity - even though you posted info that there's evidence that he was gay. That didn't even cause a blip on your continued targeting of Muslims as the clear and present danger in societies where they are hugely in the minority.

"And Turnbull hosted a dinner with a Imam that claimed that homosexuals caused disease. Using your logic, he must be rabidly anti gay.."

That was supposedly a stuff up - something which occurs when one hastily confects a stunt.

"Industry minister Christopher Pyne told the Nine Network that mistakes were made in the invitations process, which included Sheik Shady Al-Suleiman."

http://www.9news.com.au/national/2016/06/17/07/34/anti-gay-muslim-preacher-invited-to-turnbulls-ramadan-dinner

However, Mal wasn't backward in coming forward to host a soiree by that other far-right gay hate preacher, Cori Bernardi:

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2016/election-2016-malcolm-turnbull-captured-headlining-fundraiser-at-cory-bernardis-conservative-foundation-20160602-gpaekk.html

"I also believe that gay marriage should be legalized, and that sales of guns should be heavily restricted."

Nice to hear....perhaps you should be more proactive on OLO in that regard instead of attempting to turn threads into anti-Muslim rants.

Poirot,

While I would consider myself economically conservative, I also consider myself reasonably liberal, with the exception that I believe that people should be held responsible for their actions.

The rabid far left feels that it is politically correct to excuse the intolerance and barbarity of non european peoples based on inequalities and "oppression", a view with which I strongly disagree.

In particular there is a disturbing myopia towards muslims. Now it is no doubt that the vast majority of terrorist acts worldwide are committed by muslims for religious reasons mostly against other muslim sects. This atrocity, the stabbings in Paris, the Egypt air bombing, and the Istanbul bombing are the most recent.

The teachings in mosques world wide are not all extremist, but there are virtually zero libertarian muslim congregations either, and while I don't advocate expulsions or blockades, I do feel that a firm message needs to go out to all in society that anti societal behaviour and teachings are unacceptable

Armchair Critic:

There is hardly any discrimination against gays in Australia. Even if there was we have anti-discrimination courts to deal with it. Whatever other discrimination slips through the cracks is generally about trivial issues. Not all issues of discrimination are of equal importance.

There are, however, lots of things about the rest of society which they dislike and these are often called ‘discrimination’ in order to try and manipulate society into changing out of some kind of ‘guilt’ rather than reason.

They do not like being ridiculed or derided. They do not like criticism. They do not like having their sexuality ignored. They do not like other groups protesting about their sexuality. They do not like people who do not accept their own analysis of their behaviour.

They want so many things that the rest of us do not deem important or we go about getting what we want by reasonable means.

Wanting to spread your own opinions to children is reasonable. If they want to do this then they are welcome to try. We should not let them describe opposition to their views as discrimination. It is just an opposing view. Calling it discrimination makes you seem like the bad guy but there is nothing bad about challenging opinions you disagree with.

Shadow, very good post I totally agree.

"I also consider myself reasonably liberal, with the exception that I believe that people should be held responsible for their actions."
Absolutely, there is no denying Mateen is responsible for the murder of 49 innocent people.
The danger is we simply treat this and other radical hate crimes in isolation, as if they happen in a vacuum. People like Trump try to offer simplistic answers to what are complex problem, radicalism is such a problem, which is very difficult to deal with. Looking at cause and effect, and then taking a holistic approach to solving these huge world problems that we face, is the only answer.