Onthebeach, you don't fool anyone at all.

You couldn't give a damn about any man who may be out there, terrified in their own home, waiting fearfully for the wife to get home, ensuring he hasn't spent more than his 'allowance', or that he hasn't been out by himself, scared for the bashing they know is coming.

Wasn't it you who joined the other ranters against Rosie Batty and her stance on DV?
Yet, it was her son (a male) who paid the ultimate price after DV from his loving father.
Where was the outcry from your fave men's groups about this dreadful DV murder?
Silence...

Luckily, the rest of society did give a damn and will continue to do so, despite people like you crying into their hankie.

Suseonline,

You are making things up. You could at least do the OP and other OLO readers the politeness of reading the OP and the links and responding with whatever countering argument you might come up with.

Poirot, "Even the pets are (according to you) "pets of female victims"..

You are up to your same shabby tricks again. You are perfectly aware that quote is not mine. It was from Bettina Arndt's article. Falsely attributing it to me is an unprincipled ploy you have used before. It avoids recognition of that highly credible source and it is taken out of context. All a part of your elaborate attempts to make the discussion personal and avoid the facts - facts you cannot counter and obviously don't intend to even try.

However the discussion can't always be about your attention-seeking self (and Suseonline), even though you try to direct it that way.

Bettina Arndt says that "the domestic violence lobby groups have got away with their distorted campaign for far too long because they have silenced their critics".

Some might observe that you and Suseonline are displaying the same motivation, trying to howl down fellow posters and disrupt this thread. That doesn't help the other victims of abuse and violence: children, men, gays, lesbians and transgenders.

Equal should mean equal, especially where government policy, funding and regulations are concerned.

This thread is really quite amusing.

onthebeach posts an article for discussion about why the DV issue is misrepresented and Suseonline comes in blaming men AND DEMONSTRATING the exact kind of traits that probably drive men crazy and to the point of DV.

Labeling any man who doesn't agree with her as pathetic.
Being Argumentative, Niggling, Biased and Confrontational.
Looking to start that actual fight where she can say "Look - All men are aggressive and violent"

Sorry Suse, nothing personal, just calling it the way I see it.

Hahahahaha.
Have we actually learned anything here at all people?
You people are funny and can't see the trees for the leaves.

As usual with such things, there's lots of heat and not much light. Statistics would add a little understanding but there's very little appetite for that since, it is clear, the data doesn't tell the approved story. So its ignored except when it can be manipulated.

Just one number to give a flavour of just how much this debate has been hijacked by moral posturing, political positioning and career advancement.

Between 2010-12 (according to the Aust Institute of Criminology) 24% of those killed by an intimate partner were male. No white ribbons for them however.

If the white ribbon poseurs were fair-dinkum about this they'd be looking to prioritise action where it would be of most use. That is, they would seek out the places where DV is most prevalent and work to save the women there.

From the report - "Reducing violence against women and their children" released with such fanfare yesterday by the Feds:

"One third of Indigenous women have experienced physical violence from a partner.
This is twice the level recorded among non-Indigenous women.

In addition:
Indigenous women in remote and regional areas experience rates of family violence up to 45 times higher and sexual assault 16 to 25 times higher than other women.
Indigenous women and girls are between 25 and 33 times more likely to be hospitalised due to family violence related assaults than other Australian women and girls."

Hands up all those who think we'll see Batty, Turnbull et al out in the never-never telling the men out there of the need to wear white ribbons. OR is it much easier to display your moral rectitude by glibly asserting that its a problem all over and all men need to be beaten into submission.

Are there pockets of DV everywhere? Probably. But then again there are pockets of drunken violence everywhere as well. That doesn't stop the authorities from concentrating their efforts in those places where its most prevalent. The difference is that their main concern is to stop drunken violence irrespective of the background of the perpetrator. Not so DV.

PS..from the same report....
"There is limited information and no uncontested national data available on the prevalence of violence against women in CALD communities.It is, however, widely hypothesised that prevalence is much higher. "

Again, if the poseurs were serious about reducing the problem rather than just using it as a hammer, they'd be demanding that this lack of data be rectified. But that'd involve taking on the ethnic community and multicultural Aust doesn't do such a thing. Much easier to beat up on supposed violent sexism in the non-CALD ( culturally and linguistically diverse) community.

otb,

"You are up to your same shabby tricks again. You are perfectly aware that quote is not mine. It was from Bettina Arndt's article. Falsely attributing it to me is an unprincipled ploy you have used before. It avoids recognition of that highly credible source and it is taken out of context. All a part of your elaborate attempts to make the discussion personal and avoid the facts - facts you cannot counter and obviously don't intend to even try."

Well I do have to claim rushing my replies (as I have a life) didn't notice the quote marks and I haven't read all of Bettina's waffle so apologies again.

However, I presume that you agree with her "shabby trick" about the pets being solely the female's, ignoring the very common tactic by aggressors of threatening to harm the pet to keep control of a partner who wants to leave.

"highly credible source"....not too sure about that - she's jumped on the anti-feminist bandwagon...here's a quick bio:

"Arndt came to prominence in the 1970s by editing Forum, an Australian adult sex education magazine, which led to frequent radio and television appearances. She was appointed Editor in 1974 and remained in the position until July 1982. Her work in sex education also involved post-graduate courses, seminars and lectures for groups including doctors and other professionals."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bettina_Arndt

I don't see how that makes her an expert on the sociology of domestic violence. It's not her area of expertise - which appears to be sex.

She is of course welcome to commentate, however, that doesn't make her views any more credible than others addressing the scourge of DV who hold differing views.

I see you avoided responding to my last paragraph.

"So, notwithstanding, that there are obviously men out there with aggressive female partners - how many of them are cowering in their homes in fear of that partner, setting up safe rooms, clutching SOS devices and installing security cameras because they're so terrified?"

There you go....