otb,

"Bettina November 21, 2015 at 3:19 pm #
"You are deliberately misunderstanding what we are trying to do. We are not proposing to undermine the important efforts of White Ribbon to address the issue of men’s violence. I support that work totally. What I don’t understand is why White Ribbon is so determined to deny the truth about violence in the home. What we want them to do is to, as you put it, is campaign against domestic abuse in all its forms, taking practical measures to spread compassion and mercy. Surely that is not such a big ask?""

What's interesting, otb, is your ploy now to come across as reasonable on this subject.

"Where do you have a problem with that?

Or as others ask, how can extending compassion to ALL victims of abuse in the home in any way detract from our care and support of women?"

No problem with that at all....

But let's recall your rhetoric to Suse:

"It is a judgement of you and your extreme bigotry..."

"...Yet as a left radical feminist you are forever defending and promoting Islam..."

"...Typically for self-loathing leftists and gynocentric radical feminists..."

"Of course you demonise men..."

"...You imply you are only replying to this thread to scoff, sledge and deny..."

"...as always you have your bigoted head in the sand..."

Speaks for itself.

I note Bettina isn't backward at tossing in emotive terms as well.

"As my article, silent victims, in the Weekend Australian points out, the zealots controlling debate on this issue are successfully demonizing men and white-washing women’s role in family violence...."

"Zealots" eh?.....I'll be watching "Hitting Home" again tonight - all those battered women aiding the zealots in getting their message across.

//Normal people tend not to want to get involved in things that don't concern them and the truth is that what goes on behind closed doors is not our business and certainly not our responsibility.//

'Twas not always thus. For centuries there was an English folk tradition known as 'Rough Music' or 'ran-tanning'. Rough Music involved men gathering outside a person's house rattling bones and cleavers, ringing bells, hooting, blowing bull's horns, banging frying pans, saucepans, kettles etc. and generally making a right old racket. Songs and poems would be bawled, detailing the person's crimes for all the world to hear, like this one from South Stoke, Oxfordshire:

There is a man in our town
Who often beats his wife,
So if he does it any more,
We'll put his nose right out before.
Holler boys, holler boys,
Make the bells ring,
Holler boys, holler boys.
God save the King.

The intention was to humiliate the person against whom the Rough Music was being played, and it was generally directed at domestic and sexual misbehaviour - such as child abusers and men who beat their wives. And it was led by men - apparently even in the 18th and 19th century, men knew it was wrong for a husband to beat his wife without having to reminded by feminists. Amazing.

As forms of vigilantism that were likely to lead to public disorder, Rough Music and similar activities were banned under the Highways Act of 1882. These days you'd probably get arrested for breaching the peace, at least.

Yes Onthebeach, no one is fooled by your sudden wish to be Bettina Arndt's biggest fan, just because she is a woman who believes only a tiny part of your twisted logic.
Why don't we start discussing some of the writings from Michael Flood?

Michael Flood: "There has been in Australia, for a long time, a kind of network of anti-feminist men’s groups. Some men’s rights groups focus on general issues of gender and violence and so on, and some have a particular focus on fathering and family law. And those men’s and fathers’ rights group overlap. I’ve described them as an anti-feminist backlash because of their views on women and gender and because of the political strategies they adopt.

And one of the issues they’ve taken up is the issue of domestic violence. Because it’s been a focus of women’s movements and feminist actors for a long time, it’s also been a focus of backlashes against those movements. These groups incorrectly claim that domestic violence is gender-symmetrical or that men are a large proportion of domestic violence victims and women are a significant proportion of perpetrators."

Yes, I prefer that writer. And...he is a male!

I couldn't be bothered reading any other c##p articles or websites, because I, like the majority of the community, WON"T CHANGE MY MIND ON THIS SUBJECT.

Happy white ribbon day.
Posted by Suseonline, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 10:12:39 AM

This type of comment indicates, either what is known as a concrete thinker or a rigid thinker.

Remember the Children overboard affair? Pictures where shown to demonstrate the TRUTH. However our politicians distorted the truth for their own agenda.

This topic and the tactic used, engages the emotive side and once the emotions are engaged rational thinking goes out the window.

This should be a warning sign that you are being manipulated and controlled

In this case Victoria,

"The lack of resources for male victims is just extraordinary. I was particularly struck by news that $100,000 was awarded to support pets of female victims in Victoria but not a cent for men suffering abuse."
http://www.bettinaarndt.com.au/news/domestic-violence-and-white-ribbon-day-help-change-the-debate/

You couldn't make this stuff up.

No-one has made a case for discrimination against male victims. Although there are bigots who believe that all male victims, men and boys, are unworthy of assistance.

Male victims of domestic violence:

<The impacts of family violence on male victims include:

- Fear and loss of feelings of safety
- Feelings of guilt and/or shame
- Difficulties in trusting others

- Anxiety and flashbacks
- Unresolved anger
- Loneliness and isolation

- Low self-esteem and/or self-hatred
- Depression, suicidal ideation, self-harm and attempted suicide
- Use of alcohol or other drugs to cope with the abuse

- Physical injuries
- Sexual dysfunction and/or impotence
- Loss of work

- Loss of home
- Physical illness
- Loss of contact with children and/or step-children

- Concern about children post separation.

To add insult to injury, male victims of family violence often find it distressing to see social marketing campaigns such as Violence Against Women Australia Says No (federal) and Don’t Cross the Line (SA), which suggest that men are the only perpetrators of family violence and women and children the only victims.>
http://www.oneinthree.com.au/malevictims

How does it take anything from the campaign to assist women women to show compassion to ALL victims, children, male, gay&lesbian and transgenders?

Why the stone walling?

otb,

"No-one has made a case for discrimination against male victims. Although there are bigots who believe that all male victims, men and boys, are unworthy of assistance."

As far as I can see, the only person making those claims is you.

And also the only person calling people bigots, radical feminists, self-loathing leftists, gynocentric radical feminists....

And the next thing you're posting things like a delicate and compassionate petal - even roping in a gay and lesbian, transgender profile to display how positively inclusive you are:

"How does it take anything from the campaign to assist women women to show compassion to ALL victims, children, male, gay&lesbian and transgenders?"

None of us have a problem with any victim receiving the attention and care they need.

Let's face it, otb, your main point in setting up this thread was to fire another volley at feminism.

Even the pets are (according to you) "pets of female victims"....not (as you are no doubt aware) pets of the relationship which are often threatened or targeted by aggressors as some kind of sadistic payback to victims if they attempt to throw off control and leave a relationship.

So, notwithstanding, that there are obviously men out there with aggressive female partners - how many of them are cowering in their homes in fear of that partner, setting up safe rooms, clutching SOS devices and installing security cameras because they're so terrified?