Hi there HASBEEN...

Mate I'm confused? We've reached a time, where it seems that it's morally necessary for an individual to be armed to protect themselves. I don't mean Karate or mixed martial arts training - 'realistically' able to protect themselves. A woman or man placed on an equal footing with an assailant.

I do agree with SUSEONLINE when she says we don't want a concert venue (or similar) operating, where there's a percentage of the patrons there, who're armed with a F/A. One drinks too much, an quarrel ensues, tempers flare, then 'bang' someone's dead ? No, that would never work. It's 2015, not Dodge City back in the 1880's.

IS MISE advocates permitting ex soldiers, former police or other trained individuals, to carry a concealed weapon and if a situation presents, like that in Paris, these covertly armed patrons could perhaps countervail the overall number of victims of these killers ? That may work, provided each venue had any of these 'armed' individuals present - or would they be spread too thin?

ONTHEBEACH has for ages strongly advocated governments doing the jobs to which they've been elected and amply compensated, by our huge taxation receipts. In other words, significantly 'strengthening' our military and police. Remove all superfluous and unnecessary clerical functions from sworn members, and have those tasks allocated to appropriate public service support personnel. And in so doing rigorously mandate sworn members to once more actively engage in 'proactive policing' - back in the 'burbs'. In other words resurrect the Police 'Force' where the rule of law categorically prevails.

Introduce an enforcement model, by serving notice that zero tolerance now exists, for all strata of criminality, and any form of radicalization, religious or otherwise. I wonder would the above model be consigning us all to a life of coercion, arbitrary enforcement, and 24/7 surveillance ?

What other options do we have HASBEEN? If, as it's been suggested by some, everybody was permitted to carry a concealed F/A, I could see firefights breaking out all over our fair City of Sydney. The only winner being anarchy and terrorism?

I reckon there is a case for allowing and encouraging seasoned police officers to conceal-carry their service pistol when off duty.

Many would be happy to pay them an allowance to do it too.

I would like to see their club fees and ammunition paid for participation in shooting competition too.

They should be encouraged to be instructors at shooting clubs and be paid a small fee by the taxpayer for their contribution (instruction/courses) to public safety and good relations.

The knowledge that the young brunette in the crowd or walking alone could be armed and willing to use her service pistol is a deterrent and not just for gutless religious fundamentalist terrorists.

No sane person would expect ALL incidents to be dealt with by such volunteers, but the cowardly Bryant for example, might have lasted seconds if an armed off-duty police constable was present. Police .40S&W meets a Bryant, problem solved.

Is Mise, I have to agree with you on one thing it was DISGRACEFUL the way in which Bob Ballsup from the Shooters and Hooters Party used Parliamentary privilege to attack a local council member!

To quote you "the lying leaders who use Parliamentary Privilege to besmirch honest people." That is Bob Ballsup and Scum Bob all over.

The gun happy brigade on here are starting to show their true colors, their secret agenda, with their desire to turn Australia into a New Dodge City, with the private citizens armed to the teeth with guns! Take this one;

"police officers to conceal-carry their service pistol when off duty." Young brunette's (didn't include the blonds) in the crowd with a concealed gun ready to open fire when see see a "crime in progress". Don't feel too safe, that young brunette wont be shooting just at the " gutless religious fundamentalist terrorists" she will be given carte blanche to open fire at all and sundry, you and me.The same poster not long ago was advocating some kind of private citizens militia be formed. Is this Australia First, and Shooters Party policy? Wow, Dodge City here we come!

Paul,

References to S&Fs' MPs attacking under privilege, please.

How do you reconcile police officers being trusted with a pistol when on duty with your not trusting them to be armed when off duty?

In some country areas at the moment when one calls the police in an emergency the call first goes to area command or the nearest manned police station, the operator there then relays the problem to the local duty policeman.
He may have to get dressed if he doesn't sleep in his uniform, proceed to the locked up police station, get his pistol etc., out of the security locker, then come and see what the problem is.
Not very satisfactory; but then the Greens don't believe that the police should be armed anyway.

Bob Brown, their former Führer, advocated disarming the police and teaching the army anger management:
"I say, you chaps firing that machine gun at us; can't we have a chat about this and reach some form of consensus?"

How long, Paul, since an attempt to hi-jack an Israel passenger aircraft was made?
I seem to remember that it was a while ago and that the Israeli security blokes on board promptly shot the terrorist dead.

Just for you Is Mise, this is the gutless attack on a good citizen, and civic leader by Bob Ballsup from the ratbag Shooters and Hooters Party using Parliamentary Privilege.

SMH under the heading "Liverpool mayor Ned Mannoun returns fire at Shooters MP Robert Borsak"

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/liverpool-mayor-ned-mannoun-returns-fire-at-shooters-mp-robert-borsak-20150911-gjk5vc.html

Will Is Mise run from this one faster than Bugs Bunny with Elmer Fudd hot in pursuit?

The protesting Greens are strong on bikies' rights and on protecting bikies from the law, and their apposition to the Qld VLAD legislation is an example given earlier, but the authority-despising, authority-challenging Greens would never dream of supporting police and protecting them.

I am aware of many occasions where off-duty country police have responded immediately to protect the community against natural and offender-caused emergencies. The same happens in cities. If the Greens were at all honest (an impossibility), they would admit that the police role and the community's expectations of police are not limited to the hours between sign on and sign off.

Of course there is a case for allowing and encouraging seasoned police officers to conceal-carry their service pistol or a smaller version when off duty. Where the community expects police to put their lives on the line especially against these imported thugs who do not value human life it is the least we can do for those courageous police officers.

Many taxpayers would be happy to pay them an allowance to do it too.