otb,

"At no stage did I say as you claim, that the Greens are "are associated with, or in league with, outlaw motor cycle gangs". Your claim is a Strawman, a fallacy, where you make a false representation of your opponent's argument."

Lol!....here we go again. onthebeach conflates all kinds of "support" and "favour" between bikies, criminal activities and the Greens - and promptly offers a semantic double pike with somersault to wriggle out of his blatant misrepresentation.

Misrepresentation and trolling and goading of fellow posters being his specialty on this forum.

Here's a selection of his best false assertions so far on this thread.

"The Greens are however in favour of the outlaw motorcycle gangs who manufacture and traffic ice/Methylamphetamine, along with other very nasty criminal activities they are engaged in. Drug trafficking is responsible for almost all of the violent gang crime and involving guns, including gun running."

"Does any Greens MP or leader give support to organised crime such as the outlaw motorcycle gangs who are proved to be involved in the manufacture and distribution of Ice/Methylamphetamine?

Honestly now, how can the public arrive at any other conclusion given the behaviour of the Greens? They must do, otherwise the Greens would not be rolling logs in front of legislative efforts by the major parties to control criminal gangs."

Paul,

Are we to take it that, as the Greens are a grass roots party (is that 'grass' as in the ordinary sense or should we take a pot at something else?),no one is responsible for writing coherent policy.
Does it mean that no one knows what the policy detail is and that therefore it cannot be costed?

I do wish that you would answer the questions?

Meanwhile, on the Gold Coast where 74% of locals want to retain the Newman VLAD anti-bikie laws (VLAD) that survived a $500,000 court challenge by outlaw motorcycle gangs. However, the gangs must reckon that the change of government in Queensland gives the green light to return to business as usual,

<Hells Angels arrested during raids at Burleigh and Mermaid, drugs seized
LUCY ARDERN, 03/04/2015

POLICE raided properties in Burleigh and Mermaid on Thursday night, seizing drugs and charging two patched members of the Hells Angels.

They discovered $15,000 worth of drugs in a Burleigh building on Ern Harley Drive, which police believe was being set up as the new Hells Angels clubhouse on the Gold Coast...

They also descended on a building in Great Hall Drive, Mermaid Beach, where they found and seized steroids...

Detective Inspector Brendan Smith of Taskforce Maxima said: “Last night’s efforts saw the location of what we are alleging to be dangerous drugs stored in the gang’s club house.”..

“The links between ice and violence and property crime are well known, and we will continue to target those involved in its manufacture, distribution and use.”>
http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/crime-court/hells-angels-arrested-during-raids-at-burleigh-and-mermaid-drugs-seized/story-fnje8bkv-1227290184341

The Bulletin reported,
<Business Gold Coast Central Chamber of Commerce president Peter Yared praised the laws, saying government figures that showed 1706 criminal gang participants had been arrested on 4710 charges since the laws were introduced showed they were working.

Mr Yared said small businesses on the Gold Coast did not want to return to the ways things were before the laws were passed.

“The current (VLAD) laws that are in place need to remain to ensure the Gold Coast’s reputation is not tarnished by petty and major crime.”>

In NSW
"POLICE suspect 25 major shipments of illegal firearms destined for outlaw bikie gangs and Middle Eastern organised crime groups slipped past customs checks in the past two years"
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/illegal-firearms-destined-for-outlaw-bikie-gangs-and-middle-eastern-crime-groups-slip-past-customs-checks/story-fni0ffnk-1226747465235

In Victoria,
"Secret informer links Victoria's most powerful bikie boss Amad 'Jay' Malkoun with suspected firearms traffickers"
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/secret-informer-links-victorias-most-powerful-bikie-boss-amad-jay-malkoun-with-suspected-firearms-traffickers/story-fni0fee2-1226673428567

However the Greens demand that Queensland's VLAD laws be trashed immediately. That is one of their highest priorities.

The gall of the headline-hunting Greens 'Protest Party' (Julia Gillard's apt description) is astonishing, awesome to behold.

The Greens coldly and cynically conflate the criminal illegal possession and use of guns by criminals, with the legal licensed ownership of firearms by thousands of reputable, law-abiding citizens.

Why do the Greens do that?

If the Greens are really concerned about serious violence, of which violence with weapons is a sub-set, you would have thought they would take notice of police reports that it is linked with criminal gangs and drugs.

But no, as is found in this thread, the Greens's priorities are to:

- block State laws such as Qld's successful VLAD law that is supported by the public and business; and

- trash-talk and slur the thousands of good, reputable, responsible citizens who legally hold firearms licences and who have nothing whatsoever to do with crime, especially gun crime.

In fact, of all citizens, lawfully licensed citizens are the most reliable, predictable group of people you could choose who would be definitely OPPOSED to unlawful behaviour full-stop and irrevocably against illegal possession and use of guns. They don't get past the first hurdle of the firearms licence without being of very good character and certified so by independent referees and police.

The Greens already know that of course.

Paul,

Perchance you'd be good enough to explain why combination locks would be required and the grade of lock thought appropriate.

Greens' NSW policy
"25. Enforcement of regulations requiring guns in homes in rural communities to be kept in a metal box with a combination lock securely bolted to wall or floor, with firing mechanisms and ammunition locked in a similar box in a separate room;"

Many rural properties don't have a house, as such, on them but the open machinery shed contains one lockable room, combination kitchen/bed/sitting room/office.
How to comply with 25 (above)?

Beach on another thread you took great delight in trumpeting the fact the Greens failed to win even one seat at the recent Queensland state election. Now you have them enacting legislation in that very Parliament which is soft on outlaw motor cycle gangs.
As a far right extremist you are in favor of imposing a police state on us all, with unfettered powers of arrest and detention. You justify this extremism as most necessary for the so called good of the majority. Nothing new in this attack on civil liberties from these extremists, on gaining power not only would they imprison the criminal, but anyone they seen as opposing their regime. Beach would you be seeking a position in such a regime? Possibly the Minister For Public Order could take your fancy.