Paul,

".... sports shooting association" is obviously the Grens' choice of words; it's in their policy statement.

So what do the Greens define as a 'sports shooting association'?

They have used the combination of words so what do they mean by them?

Paul1405,

Does any Greens MP or leader give support to organised crime such as the outlaw motorcycle gangs who are proved to be involved in the manufacture and distribution of Ice/Methylamphetamine?

Honestly now, how can the public arrive at any other conclusion given the behaviour of the Greens? They must do, otherwise the Greens would not be rolling logs in front of legislative efforts by the major parties to control criminal gangs.

Again, do you deny that the Greens have always opposed the anti-gang legislation and specifically (as already stated), "It is the stated priority of the Greens and Labor to tear down the effective anti-gang laws in Queensland"? In the Queensland State election the Greens actively campaigned against the laws.

The Queensland legislation - which survived bikie court challenges - was immediately effective in reducing drug trafficking in Queensland. Sadly, the violent gun-running drug gangs moved to States where opposition, such as from the Greens has prevented similar laws,

"THE Mongols outlaw motorcycle gang is in Victoria Police's sights.

THERE are signs a toughening of laws interstate has encouraged outlaw bikies to switch their operations to Victoria, and the Mongols gang has grown in number and weapons capability."
http://tinyurl.com/p3ev8zj

What about you now list the names of Greens politicians who would support Victorian authorities to counter the gangs in that State? What about NSW's 'Watermelon' Greens and their guru, Lee Rhiannon, have to say on the subject? Or will they continue to undermine legislative initiatives there too?

Dear Paul,

Why is there this diversion concerning Bikie gangs
and the Greens? What does this have to do with
"Friends of Shooting?"

I went into one of the Greens websites to see what
this furphy was all about - and what I read quite
appalled me. It's explained as follows:

"One of the starkest lessons of the Bjelke-Petersen era
was that excessive police powers are always going
to be abused and misused, and innocent people are the victims".

We need to re-assert the traditional rights of freedom of
association, presumption of innocence and equality before the
law. These processes safeguard against injustice and should
not be treated with contempt by either Attorney Generals or
governments. All of these have been treated with contempt
by the LNP.

The Atroney-General has said that these so called bikie laws
apply to non-bikies and could include any group of three
or more. That should be a concern for us all.

The site then goes on to say that:

"We need to reassert the importance of good governance and
judicial discretion and independence and separation of powers.
The government should not decide who stays in prison and who
goes. That is the role of the courts".

In a free society it should not be possible for people
to be arrested simply for going to the pub with their
friends and family.

The regular harrassment of law-abiding motocyle riders is an
indefensible intrusion in freedom, as well as a waste of
police resources.

These laws have clearly gone well beyond rational measure to
stop criminal actions by motorcycle gangs. It was the work
of an unaccountable government (thankfully now gone) with
no checks and balances abusing its powers for cheap political
gain.

Of course bikie gangs who break the law should be charged with
breaking the law. However innocent bike riders and their
friends and family should not have to fear being caught up
in any government's power games.

LOL, what a load of fox droppings.

What about this reality? See here, some evidence you conveniently 'missed',

<The Queensland legislation - which survived bikie court challenges - was immediately effective in reducing drug trafficking in Queensland. Sadly, the violent gun-running drug gangs moved to States where opposition, such as from the Greens has prevented similar laws,

"THE Mongols outlaw motorcycle gang is in Victoria Police's sights.

THERE are signs a toughening of laws interstate has encouraged outlaw bikies to switch their operations to Victoria, and the Mongols gang has grown in number and weapons capability."
http://tinyurl.com/p3ev8zj >

There is plenty more,

<Police crackdown on youth gangs acting as feeder groups to Gold Coast outlaw bikies

Violent youth gangs with names such as the Gold Coast Brotherhood and Soldiers of Islam are springing up on the Glitter Strip as ''feeder groups'' for outlaw motorcycle clubs.

Police say few of the ''bikies on training wheels'' actually ride motorcycles but are causing mayhem, bashing innocent people and committing other crimes in a bid to prove themselves to senior bikies.

The Soldiers of Islam gang, comprising mainly young Muslim men including former Iraqi soldiers, is a feeder gang for the Bandidos bikie gang while the Gold Coast Brotherhood is a recruiting base for the Nomads.

Members of the Brotherhood were allegedly involved in last month's wild street brawl at the Cooly Rocks On nostalgia festival at Coolangatta...

Police say the Brotherhood have been involved in various violent incidents on the southern Gold Coast, including surf club and pub bashings...>

http://tinyurl.com/k8kbmx5

The Greens and Annastacia Palaszczuk's Labor are hypocrites. Who do they represent, because it obviously NOT the ordinary, law-abiding citizen and certainly NOT the victims of crime.

Paul,

Here's another one for you to ponder:

"Firearms policy.....
Policy detail
13 Tighter legislated minimum standards for the refusal and cancellation of licenses, including:

13.3 Mental or physical fitness."

Now just what is meant by that statement?

Surely fully thought out and costed policies (as you have assured us that they are) would have defined such mental and physical fitness as part of the costing process, so you should have no trouble finding the relevant details.

Beach, why would anyone take you seriously, when you refuse to answer a simple question, As per your usual modus operandi on this forum, you make an outrageous allegation against The Greens. When challenged to substantiate your rubbish claim your slink off into some other nonsense! I can only describe you a pathetically cowardly poster, who runs when challenged!

Foxy, that nonsense was posted by Beach and it has nothing to do with the topic. But I will continually challenge him to put up or shut up!
I have to be careful with this particular poster as he lives a charmed life on this forum, I have already spent a week on the side lines this year because of what I called him.

Is Mise what is meant by a "Volunteer Conservation Hunter"? Who are they, how do you identify them, how many are there in NSW? After all according to The Shooters Party these are the very people who will be assisting in the control of pest
animals on private and public land in NSW." To avoid the Rambo types how should they be screened.