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Should we change the date of Australia Day?

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Paul,
There's no data to suggest a pre 1788 population of 700,000, the figure of 200,000 is just as credible, again, these figures are arrived at by mathematical modelling, ie they're a guess.
There are studies quoted in the Dowling paper which dismiss the idea of epidemics and allege widespread and systematic violence by Whites as the sole cause of the "Genocide".
You keep mentioning "Nazi Germany" as if it's some fait accompli in your argument but all it does is lend credence to the case against a systematic extermination campaign as the hard facts about the 1941-45 events in Poland don't support the idea of genocide.
Prison camps generally in the 20th century had about a 4-7% death rate from infection, with much higher tolls where infection control broke down or was absent.
The SS were able to keep the death toll to about 4% through constant testing of inmates, heavy use of insecticides and disinfectants in the camp and advanced techniques such as autoclave and microwave sterilisation of equipment.
When infection control broke down in in 1944-45 in several of the camps thousands died of typhus and dysentry, hence the piles of bodies at Belsen and the thousand or so dead at Buchenwald.
I know you like to use your imagination so picture the situation at an Aboriginal mission in the early 19th century with people wandering in and out as they felt like it, sick people mingling with newcomers, no vaccines,insecticides or disinfectants, poor rations and people debilitated by grog and chronic health problems.
It's no wonder that at times the town camps and out stations were found littered with corpses.
The other issue is that the introduced diseases took the heaviest toll on pregnant women, imagine the psychological effect on a clan of say 100 people of losing 30 of their number usually all the children under 15 and all their expectant mothers. Despair set in and the tribal order collapsed, men stopped hunting, women stopped gathering and the survivors fell into ruin, took to grog and existed by begging or stealing from the settlers.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 6:50:12 AM
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<<The SS were able to keep the death toll to about 4%>>

Are you claiming there was no such thing as the state sanctioned "final solution" of the Jewish problem by the Nazi's. Are you saying Auschwitz was not a death camp where thousands of people were systematically murdered by the Nazi's and their corpses burned in ovens etc?
You do not want to accept my figure of 700,000 in 1788, due to no hard evidence, but are content to put forward speculative argument about disease pre 1788 as fact to support you blinkered view of history.
Jay I can certainly see where you are coming from. Again I ask am I one of "your peoples" enemies? I also question who are "your people", I do not believe them to be mainstream Australians, of British ancestry or otherwise.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 9:26:12 AM
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You know, yesterday we went to the beach.

It was a beautiful day here in the West, an easterly was blowing so the surf was calm and the aquamarine waters of the Indian Ocean were perfect to take in just how lucky we were to be enjoying this peaceful day in Australia.

As it happened there was a Muslim family just next to us, the teenage girls in the water beside us, a little more modestly attired than others, but there they were romping and having fun like the rest of us, their family sitting on the sand and the littlies being coaxed into the water, laughing and squeaking with delight.

It was a lovely day - and I couldn't really give a stuff which day or date we officially hold our national day - every day is "Australia Day" to me.
Posted by Poirot, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 10:25:40 AM
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Dear Paul,

Hasbeen (Hassie) recommended sometime ago in this discussion
that "Australia Day" should be changed to April 1st.
He matn it as a joke - I'm sure.
Of course he did not know at that time what sort
of honours our PM would bestow on Prince Philip.
And, as a result of the PM's actions newspapers,
political commentators, journalists, and politicians,
were asking the question - "Is this April Fool's Day
or Australia Day?" Apparently Hassie's suggestion hit
the nail right on the head. Perhaps the date should
now be changed to April 1st - especially if we retain
the current PM. ;-)
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 10:31:47 AM
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Very well said Poirot, every day should be Australia Day, not just for those of us put here through an accident of birth with a skin susceptible to skin cancer though a lack of pigmentation, but for all the people of this great land.

Foxy, if you are traveling OS, and someone should mention Abbott and Australian in the same sentence, try pretending your Austrian, sing a couple of bar of 'Edelweiss' if need be, it could save one a lot of embarrassing explanations. LOL
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 11:02:11 AM
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Dear Paul,

Or I could simply pretend that I don't
speak English.

Funny that. My parents were consistently
told to "Speak English," when they first
arrived to this great land. And now I may
have to resort that I can't speak-a the
language - because of
the embarrassment our PM is.
Ironic - hey.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 11:54:40 AM
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