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Should we change the date of Australia Day?

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Paul.

Adolph had his good points, which is something that we should always remember.
He liked children and animals and was an affable and attentive host;
Group Captain Frederick William Winterbotham, RAF, had afternoon tea with him on at least two occasions during the 1930s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F._W._Winterbotham

Hitler was a hard worker and as a soldier in WW I had been decorated for bravery and it is notable that he only wore his Wound Badge and Iron Cross (1st Class), so we may add modesty to his virtues.
(Goring by contrast, wore everything that he could pin on his uniform).

Which make Hitler's crimes all the more repulsive and monstrous because, as Winterbotham wrote, Hitler was a charming person; just how charming he would have been had he found out that Winterbotham was a British Intelligence Officer, is something on which the latter did not care to speculate.
Posted by Is Mise, Saturday, 31 January 2015 9:44:46 PM
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Is Mise, a worthless veneer of charm, hiding the repulsive monster underneath.
You being an old military man, Hitler was the best Commander the Allies had. As a General he made a great Corporal. It is probably true to say Hitler is the most despised person in history, and that is saying something given the possibles, including Stalin, who should rate number 2, strangely they both existed at the same time. The most loved person in history is Jesus, and he may never have existed at all, says something about us humans.
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 1 February 2015 5:31:24 AM
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Goring was a war hero as well and entitled to wear his medals if he wanted.
Paul there's no evidence of Hitler ever harming anyone outside his war service and he was respected and well liked by his comrades and superiors in the army. He wasn't mad, or a monster or a sociopath, he was known by all to be honest, generous and self effacing, he was however extremely intelligent and like many bosses did like to lecture his staff, to argue with them and put them through the intellectual wringer or play them off against one another for his own amusement. His worst quality was that he was a bit of a smart arse when dealing with people less intelligent or self assured than himself and could be mentally cruel to people who couldn't keep up with the frenetic pace he set in his headquarters.
In 1941 he received a diagnosis of an incurable heart problem, probably as a result of being gassed in WW1, that's why everything speeds up from that point, Hitler was dying.
Hitler had a lot of luck and only survived as long as he did because the Nazis were never a unified group, all the little factions had their own agendas. Had he not been assassinated Heydrich would have probably had Hitler arrested and we know all about von Stauffenberg and operation Valkyrie.
We can safely say thanks to the work of Holocaust historians such as professor Hilberg that Hitler knew nothing about what was going on in the camps and that no senior Nazi ever ordered the mass extermination of Jews or anyone else, only by focusing on the Soviet-German "total war" can we learn anything from WW2, everything else is trivia in comparison.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Sunday, 1 February 2015 6:55:15 AM
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Jay,

Goring was indeed a hero in WW I but he did have a craving for medals and decorations and not all that he wore were deserved, the "Grand Cross of the Iron Cross " comes to mind.
Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 1 February 2015 3:12:09 PM
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Jay, a revisionist version of Hitler history if ever I have read one. Now you present Hitler as a "good bloke", just misunderstood.
Alan Bullock who wrote Hitler: A Study in Tyranny in 1952, believed Hitler to be an “entirely unprincipled opportunist who was prepared to say, and do, anything necessary to get power.” Ian Kershaw, a more recent writer, makes points for both the traditionalists, and functionalists. He makes a point of showing how Hitler was able to out-manoeuvre political opponents. Right-wing nationalists thought they could manipulate Hitler but he was smarter than that. He was not only a brilliant statesman, but a brilliant rhetorician. He knew exactly how to manipulate a crowd, and appeal to the different audiences he dealt with.

"And so he [the Jew] advances on his fatal road until another force comes forth to oppose him, and in a mighty struggle hurls the heaven-stormer back to Lucifer. Germany is today the next great war aim of Bolshevism. It requires all the force of a young missionary idea to raise our people up again, to free them from the snares of this international serpent."
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

From Hitler's writings and speeches it is self evident what his future intentions for Jews and other inferior peoples (his view) was.

And you say; "His worst quality was that he was a bit of a smart arse"
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 1 February 2015 4:32:21 PM
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