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Should we change the date of Australia Day?
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Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 26 January 2015 8:10:48 PM
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Paul,
What did the colonial authorities do as soon as British and European scientists came up with effective infection control regimes? They set up quarantine facilities for immigrants and people with infectious diseases were confined to sanatoriums or isolated in camps away from other people. Hey here's some more inconvenient scientific data: http://www.health.vic.gov.au/immunisation/resources/history.htm Vaccines available in 1788? Errr, zero I think. As far as infection control and epidemic prevention are concerned the pre federation British settlers and their descendants (my people if you must know) at all times implemented the most up to date procedures. You can see from that timeline that smallpox vaccine was available in 1804 but not produced locally until 1917. See Paul unlike you I read all the reports, research papers and articles I post, there's almost no data available about the initial impacts of introduced diseases upon Aboriginals, all researchers can do is create models based on probability and compare data from across Oceania and the Americas. The size of the pre colonisation population of Australia is unknown and the reports of the eyewitnesses such as Governor Phillip are unreliable, the colonists described the 1790 outbreak as "Chicken Pox", so even the story about a smallpox epidemic is unconfirmed. There's no evidence of that epidemic(whatever it was) spreading beyond the coastal settlement and the hinterland, when the first tribes from the highlands were contacted they were unaffected by smallpox. There's no evidence of excessive mortality rates among Aborigines from introduced diseases in the first decades, though clear evidence exists for the devastating effects of the later confinement of Aboriginals (Typhus in Tasmania for example)and the adoption of sedentary lifestyles in town camps and on missions, in fact the chronic lifestyle related indigenous health problems we see today quickly eclipsed infectious diseases as the primary cause of mortality. Conquest is an unpleasant business but the fact that there are as many as three times the number of Aborigines alive in 2015 compared to 1788 argues against the charge of genocide so often leveled at my people by our enemies . Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Monday, 26 January 2015 10:34:57 PM
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<<the fact that there are as many as three times the number of Aborigines alive in 2015 compared to 1788 argues against the charge of genocide so often leveled at my people by our enemies>>
Jay, another one of you facts! Try this; Experts estimate the number of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders at 700,000 at the time of the invasion in 1788 [3]. It fell to its low of around 93,000 people in 1900, a decrease by almost 87%. At present, 3% of Australia’s population (670,000) identify as Aboriginal [8]. It will take until 2021 for population figures to recover. If the current annual growth rate of 2.2% remains stable Aboriginal people can be as many as 721,000 by 2021 [3] and more than 900,000 by 2026 [11]. That was 700,00 people of 100% aboriginal blood, today's 670,000 are of mixed blood. footnotes are provided at the folloing web site. http://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/people/aboriginal-population-in-australia#toc1 Jay, the vast majority of Aboriginals who died after 1788 by preventable causes died by accident. Admittedly there were some deliberate killings of Aboriginal people by the European, June 10th 1838 white settlers murdered 28 Aboriginal men, women and children near Myall Creek Station. For the first time in history some killers were tried and hanged. The massacre is a reminder of Australia’s colonial violence. I believe the events at Myall Creek were the exception rather than the rule. Unlike in Nazi Germany (1933-1945) there was no mass government sanctioned genocide in Australia of Aboriginal people, like there was of the Jews, but what we could term accidental genocide, even well meaning genocide. cont Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 5:03:25 AM
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cont
Because I am willing to admit to the terrible actions of many of my past European ancestors, am I one of those enemies? I am more than 95% European blood, ancestors arriving in the 1830's. I have a small amount of Aboriginal blood through marriage of past relatives in Western NSW, but that does not color my opinion on the subject. I believe we very much need to recognise the past and the terrible deeds perpetrated against the indigenous people of this land, something they never asked for, or had any control over. At the same time we need to move on and do our up most to achieve a positive future for all Australians. Not the deep divisions of the my people, the enemies etc, people like you want to foster. As I read the posts on this thread, there are many by the cynical haters, but there are enough by some decent contributes to give me hope for a better future for all. Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 5:05:55 AM
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@Paul,
<<I'm not trying to get my people off the hook for the manifold problems of colonisation...>> This from a guy who identifies strongly with the Maori colonizers --and probably runs around the house dressed in Maori warrior costume LOL Posted by SPQR, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 5:07:57 AM
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SPQR wrong as usual I did not write that.
<<I'm not trying to get my people off the hook for the manifold problems of colonisation, I'm just trying to get us out from under the pile of lies and urban myths promoted by our enemies.>> Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Monday, 26 January 2015 7:49:34 PM>> SPQR I'm sure you look the picture of sartorial elegance in your snappy black SS uniform. By the way I am not Maori, were you ever a chicken farmer? As you clearly identify with such people. LOL p/s The law of averages says you should get something right occasionally, but you definitely prove that law wrong, with your pearls of wisdom. Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 5:53:21 AM
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Who are exactly "your people"?
Those manifold problems of colonisation, would not have been the indigenous people who were inconveniently in the road.
Who are exactly "your enemies"?