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Should we change the date of Australia Day?

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Aidan,
The British were able to govern India by winning people over to their side, they abolished slavery, rolled back the Islamic dictatorships of the "Mughals" and brought European technology and medicines to the subcontinent.
The British liberated the Indians from Persian Islamic dictatorship, that's why they were welcomed and why India still maintains the British systems of government and even retains many of her customs.
Lewontin's fallacy, good one, when an intelligent person thinks about what Lewontin proposed for about two seconds he realises Lewontin is a fraud. He and his associate Stephen Jay Gould have been discredited as liars and anyone who repeats their assertions about race is either misinformed or duplicitous.
Aidan, if you believe in the dogma of the left you have to believe that human evolution and adaptation stopped at the neck!

Paul,
Interesting that you'd bring up "Nazis" again, the British were also superior in most every way to the Germans and the other continental powers, they had superior technology for one thing and if I follow your line of reasoning they were also morally and intellectually far ahead of Hitler and his men.
Paul could you provide us with a list of Aboriginal inventions which the early settlers were able to employ in place of European technology or which were adapted by the British?
Whites are clearly superior to Aboriginals in all areas which matter, you can claim equality only in the abstract sense and I can accept that your side views the world as mystical, incorporeal and insubstantial.
You can use your imagination and form a belief that groups of Africans are just as intelligent as Asians and Europeans but that's as far as it goes, such ideals might make for good fiction but they don't stand up to any sort of rational examination.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Monday, 26 January 2015 9:14:32 AM
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Along with Arthur the first fleet of 11 ships contained a motley collection of some 1487 odd bods. One can only assume the majority of the 778 convicts did not want to be here anyway and most of the members of the infamous New South Wales Corps were escaping something or another back home. The remaining fellas most likely did not have a clue as to where there werey, and 48 didn't make it, 7 were born on the way. Given the greatness of "Britishism" why did they bother coming in the first place. That's right, if you believe some the Aboriginal people were after 40 to 50,000 years on their knees just begging for the white mans arrival. Within 2 years despite all their superior know how the British had almost starved to death.
The first smallpox outbreak among the Aboriginal people occurred in 1789.
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 26 January 2015 9:53:14 AM
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And now for a superior dollop of PMO dingbattery - we now have Prince Philip named as a knight in Abbott's bunyip honours.

Most entertaining for a PM that's now beyond mockery.
Posted by Poirot, Monday, 26 January 2015 9:57:41 AM
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Jay,
I'm not antiimperial, but that doesn't mean I want the truth about the British Empire to be hidden! Mogul India did not have slavery. The British effectively replaced one dictatorship with another.

Lewontin's fallacy is irrelevant to my argument.

Jay, if you believe in the things you claim, you have to believe that human evolution and adaptation stopped at the neck in some parts of the world but not in others!

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SPQR,
I'm aware of what you're referring to, but in most cases the problems are resolved, though a few issues remain, notably with overlapping native title claims.

<<Exhibit A . Just take a geeza at Paul1405's posts they reek of/with Edenic imagery for pre-European Australia.>>
What, because he said the Aboriginal inhabitants were "doing just fine"?

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Is Mise,
<<very many Aboriginal people are still second class citizens plagued with social problems, had they and their problems been treated the same as for European (or whatever)Australians, under the same laws, then that would have been equality, true equality.>>
Repeating a claim doesn't make it true, and the real causes of the disadvantage are far more complex.
Posted by Aidan, Monday, 26 January 2015 10:34:01 AM
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Poirot,

You leave my relatives alone, distant he my be but bloods thicker than water, so I must stick up for Phil the Greek.
Posted by Is Mise, Monday, 26 January 2015 10:37:32 AM
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Aidan,

<<I'm aware of what you're referring to, but in most cases the problems are resolved...>>

It is more than that. To continually broadcast white atrocities yet stay silent about Aboriginal on Aboriginal (early) violence feeds the delusion that everything was just dandy before whitey arrived.

<<Pauls comments>>

Here's one from Paul but his posts are peppered with similar:

<< it also seen the introduction of public hanging and floggings along with the spread of an assortment of diseases, smallpox, tuberculosis and venereal disease with numerous others.>>

By what he does not include, does not acknowledge, he (and his fellow travelers) make it sound like the spoiling of Eden!
Posted by SPQR, Monday, 26 January 2015 11:18:17 AM
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