otb,

When you have attended a few classes given by Prof.
Abdullah Saeed, or read any of his books you just
possibly may be in a better position to argue about
his teachings. Because as the Professor teaches there
is much more to the Qur'an than the selective
quotations favoured by Islamic fundamentalists.

You really must stop perpetually attributing hostile
intention to me (the "whites" reference),
and others. You perceive provocation
where it does not exist. Perhaps in you mind that
justifies your aggressive behaviour - but it
certainly has no place in reasoned and intelligent
discussions

Foxy: Because as the Professor teaches there is much more to the Qur'an than the selective quotations favoured by Islamic fundamentalists.

So you are a moslem. That's why you defend them so furiously.

Yes, I suppose there is much more to Islam than the myriad of selective quotes that the majority of moslems live by.

Saeed goes on about the Cultural component of Islam. Unfortunately the Cultural mores are very dominant in the practise of the Religion to which most Moslems subscribe to. I would like to see Saeed go to the UAE & stand up before the Grand Mufti & espouse what he has written in his lectures. I guess there would be one more head on a stick in the desert, Eh.

I would have liked to have seen what would have happened if the women had moved in amoungst the men in that lecture instead of meekly heading for the back of the room as they were "expected" to do. Why did "you" go to the back of the room instead of sitting down the front with the men?

You can just bet I won't get an answer to those two questions.

OTB & others,

Here’s an insight into the thinking of Foxy’s (good Muslim) Prof.Abdullah Saeed

<<Saeed said the Qur'an and Hadith also set specific conditions under which harsh punishments, such as chopping off of hands and flogging, can be meted out on a convict.
"These conditions," he said, "would make it very rare for such a punishment to actually be given to anyone in real terms." For example, four male witnesses are needed to prove adultery (sexual intercourse), which is very rarely committed in the open, he added.
"The Qur'an is about justice, and so is the purpose of Sharia," Saeed stressed.>>
http://themediaproject.org/article/shariah-law-compatible-human-rights?page=full

READ BETWEEN THE LINES –HE IS NOT SAYING SUCH PUNISHMENTS ARE BARBARIC HE IS TRYING TO JUSTIFY THEM ON THE GROUNDS THAT THEY (UNDER TRUE ISLAMIC CONDITIONS) WOULD RARELY BE USED –THEREFORE, THEY ARE OK

Dear Jayb,

No. I am not a Muslim.
Are you a Zionist?

However I do believe that if contemporary
Australians are to live at ease with ourselves
we need more education, less fear mongering and
not least, greater honesty about the culture of
prejudice - that is so damaging us.

Some people drink from the fountain of
knowledge. You just seem to gargle.

The following link explains a great deal
about Professor Abdullah Saeed:

http://www.abdullahsaeed.org/about-me

Foxy: Are you a Zionist?

No, actually I've never met a Jew, that I know of. I saw some funny looking ones in St. Kilda when I was visiting Melbourne once. Black hats ringlets & fur collared coats. Does that count?

I have a solution. All Moderate moslems must dob in a Radical to the AFP. If they don't then they must support the Radicals. Scrimple.

Foxy: but it certainly has no place in reasoned and intelligent
discussions.

& you claim the high ground there? Yair right!

JB: I would like to see Saeed go to the Middle East & stand up before the Grand Mufti & espouse what he has written in his lectures. I guess there would be one more head on a stick in the desert, Eh.

Yes or No, Foxy?

Foxy: When you have attended a few classes given by Prof. Abdullah Saeed, or read any of his books you just possibly may be in a better position to argue about his teachings.

You say you are not a moslem but you seem really armoured by this fellow.

Why did "you" go to the back of the room instead of sitting down the front with the men?

Foxy: Religion has nothing to do with the actions of these extremists. They have other goals in mind.

Like founding an islamic caliphate based on sharia law & thence to Rule the World & kill every Westerner who doesn't convert then revert the Worlds population back to the 7th. Century living in the dirt like they do in the Middle East. Except for the Rulers, of course.