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The Forum > General Discussion > The “moderate Muslim,” is there such a thing?

The “moderate Muslim,” is there such a thing?

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So, I want to pose a question to everyone that thinks Islam promote violence and hate, what should we do with them? Should we put them though reeducation camp and convert them to Christianity, deport the lot of them even though its only a small minority of bad people causing trouble or segregate them from the wider community? Don't you think because they feel persecuted that they are lashing out?

http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2014/07/25/worlds_muslim_leaders_condemn_attacks_on_iraqi_christians/1103410
Most of the Islamic world does condemn extremists, but unless its some crazy guy holding a severed head, it goes totally unreported by the mainstream media
Posted by nowhereman, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 12:01:35 PM
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Nowhereman, you say "Most of the Islamic world does condemn extremists"

Yes, again and again, but nothing changes. It is for show. It is a pavlovian response with no action other than mumbling a few words with no results.

Now if they were to condemn terrorism AND if then there was a notable reduction in such activity, then Muslims' words might have validity.

The same for the discrimination and oppression universally practiced in Muslim countries. Yes, Some, few Muslims speak out, but nothing changes. It is all just words, hot air. There is no substance to their condemnations.

And there is the issue of selective condemnations. Have you ever seen a Muslim condemn the hate, discrimination and violence directed at nonMuslims in the Quran? Have you ever seen a Muslim condemn Mohammed's attacks on innocent neighbors?

It is not a small minority.... The hate and violence against nonMuslims is at the very core of Islam. Read the Quran, if you have doubts about this.

I think the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) said* it best: "Mainstream Islam is the swamp out of which the radical monsters arise".

*out of context but nevertheless true.

There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim, because the so-called moderate accepts without question or doubts the hate and violence in the Quran, the hadith and sunnah
Posted by kactuz, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 1:05:33 PM
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Quote: what should we do with them? Should we put them though reeducation camp and convert them to Christianity, deport the lot of them

NONE of the above. We don't do those things, at least I don't.

The best answer is this: we do two things:
1. Stop all Muslim immigration to the West. All of it, for whatever reason, until we see real change in Islamic societies (until they treat non-Muslims as equals, embrace freedom of religion and speech, and end the apostasy/blasphemy laws).
2. We all speak up and tell them the truth about Islam. We point out the obvious moral and ethical issues with their dogma and prophet's life. We don't have to be mean, but we must be blunt and honest. We must not accept silly excuses (It is only a few Muslims, faulty interpretations, bad translations, its cultural, colonialism, capitalism, the media, jews, Bush, Zionists, bugs bunny made them do it, etc..).

Of course, our leaders (political, the media, academia, liberal churches, the arts, etc...) should be the first to take a stand for our values....

Oh shiiit, yeah, right, like our leaders care or have a backbone... We are doomed. The future will not be nice. Blood will flow because the damage is done and our leaders are collectively, a foolish, narcissistic band of nincompoops that only care about their egos
Posted by kactuz, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 1:23:09 PM
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Foxy>>Dear Kactuz,
You really need to lay off the stereotyping.<<

Foxy dear, Kactuz posted factual events, escalating events, escalation begets more proponents, a growing proponent base flies in the face of your stereotyping claim I believe.
Posted by sonofgloin, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 2:23:04 PM
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Steelie: This is a piece from the Independent in the UK over 15 years ago. Quote, "For the past five years, the people of northern Uganda have lived in terror of a strange and bloody children's crusade."

Shahida, no one here has supported Kony. We all realize that he is one bad arSe. I think we can all agree that his capture & or killing would be for the greater good. But, just because there is a Kony, a Terrorist & a Christian does not sanction the atrocities of the multiple Islamic Terrorist Groups we are now witnessing. These Groups were around long before he showed up. Now they are more active in bring death & destruction to the West & to Moslims alike. Have you been to see Abdul lately?

OTB: There are newspaper reports of corruption and incompetence in the Australia's immigration department.

I suspect that the AID has been infiltrated by Greenies, Pc's & friends of Asylum Seekers.

Poirot: Just coming off a week or so of seeing many many civilians - babies, children, women and men being blown to smithereens in Gaza.

Were you over there helping?
Posted by Jayb, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 2:29:03 PM
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Dear SOG,

Not all Jews are Zionists. Not all Muslims are Islamists.
And it is stereotyping in blaming the majority for the
actions of the extremist group. Religion has nothing to
do with the actions of these extremists. They have other
goals in mind.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 5:22:12 PM
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