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The Forum > General Discussion > The “moderate Muslim,” is there such a thing?

The “moderate Muslim,” is there such a thing?

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Foxy: Not all Jews are Zionists. Not all Muslims are Islamists. And it is stereotyping in blaming the majority for the actions of the extremist group.

I guess what you are saying is; That not all Moslems are Terrorists, but all Terrorists are Moslem.

Ifitikhar: British Establishment and society should concentrate on the evils of their own society and stop trying to change the way of life of Muslims. Muslim community does not want to integrate with the British society, indulging in incivility, anti-social behaviour, drug and knife culture, binge drinking, teenage pregnancies and abortion.

Someone should do something about these children leading these good moderate Moslems away from allah & forcing them to rape these children. I guess the Honour killing of all 1400 of these little children would appease allah.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2734694/It-hard-appalling-nature-abuse-child-victims-suffered-1-400-children-sexually-exploited-just-one-town-16-year-period-report-reveals.html
Posted by Jayb, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 8:08:17 PM
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I never said all Muslims, or anyone following Islam , are racist or terrorists, because that would be a very racist and untrue statement.
Some of Iftikhar's statements re British people and their schools were indeed racist, but not ALL Muslims think like that.

JayB, <"I guess what you are saying is; That not all Moslems are Terrorists, but all Terrorists are Moslem."

Are you for real?
You must surely be joking?
Have you heard of the Bikie gangs, the IRA, the KKK, the Italian Mafia, the Asian Triads?
All these charming groups of people have terrorists amongst them in every sense of the word, with many a white Christian amongst them.

Violent terrorists occur anywhere there are humans living with violent tendencies....often they don't even belong to any group.
Posted by Suseonline, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 8:36:30 PM
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S.O.L.: but not ALL Muslims think like that.

Well, not in Public, leastwise, but it is one of the "main" Tenants of Islam, that can't be denied.

Sura's 4:95 & 8:12 & lots more say so.

Everyone of those you say, "don't think like that, " do, if confronted by a Radical. Especially if given the option, and, you know that.

I think your Rose' coloured glasses are covered in Red Wine & need a through cleaning.

What about you?, dear Suse. What will you do when given that option? Or, is it too late? & you have already capitulated. Yes.

No word from our resident British Terrorist, Ifitikhar? No questions answered? No explantion on the Rotherham affair? Were Adil Hussain, Razwan Rozaq, Umar Razaq, Zafran Raizan & Mohsin Khan led in to sin by these 1400 terrible children, as you say, "indulging in incivility, anti-social behaviour, drug and knife culture, binge drinking, teenage pregnancies and abortion.
Posted by Jayb, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 9:11:04 PM
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Foxy: Kactuz did not claim all Jews were Zionists nor all Moslems were Islamists, nor did he present arguments that rested in any way on how many Moslems were Islamists. He writes about the actual religion which all Moslems are expected, in the terms of the religion itself, its holy books and its "prophet" to accept as the immutable word of Allah.

There are ample statements in these holy books, that those who fail to be ready to engage in jihad to force non-believers to submit to Islam's immutable Allah-given edicts (or cut their heads off) are back-sliders.

What Moslem taqiyya artists and Western fellow-travellers depend on is presenting Islam as being about the people who follow it rather than the religion which is of course the key to expectations of where it will lead its followers should they find themselves in a position of power locally or globally, temporarily or permanently.

Thus they can proclaim: “Religion has nothing to do with the actions of these extremists.” But that is patently insincere: So much so that one must look more deeply into their agenda than they let on.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 9:44:26 PM
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On the Beach writes:

EJ: "Political Correctness" has a precise meaning: assessing the correctness of a statement according to its concurrence with a political programme rather than its concurrence with truth"

"No, that may be the definition you prefer but it is not the common usage. See here,courtesy of Google,

"political correctness
"noun
"the avoidance of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against."

No, OTB, the definition I gave was precisely what is meant by the term's common usage. Google's statement is what social engineers want people to think it means, begging the question of [1] who does the perceiving of marginalising or insulting the groups, [2] who decides who belongs to the said groups, [3] who decides they are socially disadvantaged and [4] who decides they are discriminated against.

Answers: [1] Social engineers. [2] Social engineers. [3] Social engineers. [4] Social engineers.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 10:07:03 PM
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Dear Emperor Julian,

I beg to differ with you yet again.

According to Professor Abdullah Saeed of Melbourne
University, there is much more to the Qur'an
than the selective quotations favoured by Islamic
fundamentalists. He has written quite a great deal
on the subject and knows his subject proficiently.

I prefer to trust Prof. Saeed's knowledge on the subject
rather than Kactuz's opinion or yours.

Cheers.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 10:20:10 PM
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