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The “moderate Muslim,” is there such a thing?

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Thank you ConservativeHippie : )

It has already been established that Banjo does not own a dictionary, and nor is he able to look up words online.

I would suggest that Iftikhar is just as racist as the usual band of 'good 'ol boys' on this forum, so Banjo has met another kindred spirit in him....
Posted by Suseonline, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 9:51:22 PM
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S.O.L: I would suggest that Iftikhar is just as racist as the usual band of 'good 'ol boys' on this forum,

My God! that's terrible, fancy that, I'd have never known. Was it something that Iftikhar said? We may not agree with your reasoning that Moslems are just poor misunderstood harmless people who only want the best for us unbelievers, but that doesn't mean that we're racist. I feel offended, I just may go & get all depressed now. I hope I don't self harm. Face Mecca & prey on me. Sniff..., Sniff.

Haven't heard from Shahida for a while, maybe she's visiting her ex in jail. Or maybe they've put her in jail. Who knows. May Abdul be with her.
Posted by Jayb, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 10:27:44 PM
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@Suseonline, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 9:51:22 PM

If you are right and Banjo is wrong, then you must also hold that the teachings of Islam are racist and all Muslim countries are racist too for discriminating against Christians and Jews, in fact against anyone who is not a Muslim.
Posted by onthebeach, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 12:15:46 AM
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I believe instead of name calling and school yard bitching we ought to be looking on how to better our world and change thought processes to create change and reconciliation. The pen is mightier than the sword [daggers]. Muslims need to be educated as the two U tube posts I have made.
Posted by Josephus, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 9:39:10 AM
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I can’t get Iftikhar to answer my simple questions about the content of the Quran or the deeds of his dear, noble prophet. Maybe it’s my fault, for asking difficult, quizzical questions.

So let me try again. I will ask a simple question that requires no special knowledge or deep contemplation. Here goes…

Iftikhar, What is your favorite method of torture described in the Quran?

I dont mean the ones that Muslims are ordered to do on infidels, but the ones performed by Allah himself.

I know there are several good options, and I have no idea as to your choice, Iftikhar, but I personally think 4:56 is the best. It says: We (Allah the one and only plural) shall make them enter fire; so oft as their skins are thoroughly burned, We will change them for other skins, that they may taste the chastisement; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.

http://islamawakened.com/quran/4/56/

Allah roasts the victim, then replaces the skin and starts all over. Very brutal and creative!.

What do you think, Iftikhar?

So what did the victim do to deserve this? Murder? Loot? Rape? Torture? Enslaving men women and children? NO, no, no (note that those are not really that bad because Mohammad did all of them according to the hadith and he is a hero, an example).

The crime was UNBELIEF. Incredible…

And because I have space….

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2734694/It-hard-appalling-nature-abuse-child-victims-suffered-1-400-children-sexually-exploited-just-one-town-16-year-period-report-reveals.html

The sexual abuse of about 1,400 children at the hands of Asian men went unreported for 16 years because staff feared they would be seen as racist, a report said today. Children as young as 11 were trafficked, beaten, and raped by large numbers of men between 1997 and 2013 in Rotherham, South Yorkshire, the council commissioned review into child protection revealed. And shockingly, more than a third of the cases were already know to agencies. But according to the report's author: 'several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought racist'.

Just like past “grooming” and “Trojan horse” scandals (UK). This is what Islam is bringing with it to the West.
Posted by kactuz, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 9:50:42 AM
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The whole issue of racism is overblown. I don’t think that Islam is racist but racism becomes a factor because of history and cultural norms, and because of an unjust association with white European culture, even if, paradoxically, Europeans have done more to end slavery/racism that any culture in history

Islam is certainly supremist. By quranic definition, Muslims are the “best of peoples” while nonMuslims are greedy, unreliable, liars, with no honour. They are “lower than animals”. In fact, the degraded condition of infidels may be the most prevalent theme in the Quran.

It is hard to debate, dialog or argue with Muslims. There is no common concept of morality, equality or equity of application of values. What is wrong or evil if done by nonMuslims, according to Muslims, is often perfectly acceptable for Muslims, depending on who is doing it to whom. Thus, moral standards are not universal in Islam – they are applied selectively.

Then there is blindness: facts, reason and logic mean nothing to Muslims. Quoting the Quran or hadith is usually a waste of time, as I found out a long ago. The true-believer believes that Islam is right and perfect and anything that may indicate otherwise is abruptly dismissed. Thus there is no room for questions, reflection or logic. Well, the Quran tells Muslims not to ask questions or think (5: 101)

Here is a typical case: A Saudi man tweeted that he “loved some things but did not like other things” about Mohammad. He immediately had to flee but was caught and returned to Arabia.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/feb/12/malaysia-deports-saudi-journalist-prophet

Instead of asking: “what do you mean? What things don’t you like? etc..” as would be the case in the civilized West, he was condemned immediately because be dared question Islam and its prophet? How can thoughtful, productive dialog occur with people like this?

Another case: One of our friends here has stated that “The value system in Islam is based on tolerance. (Iftikhar, 25August2014 9:38PM). Where does he get this, may I ask? Is he talking about planet Venus or some parallel universe? Words fail me.
Posted by kactuz, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 11:29:10 AM
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