Is it fair that fines, generally, are expressed as a set amount?

Would it not be fairer if fines were, as in some other countries, a percentage of income?

That way the job seeker on benefits and the millionaire are equally punished for, let us say, parking infringements.

if fines were a percentage of income?

Is Mise,

God only knows how many times I have argued this here over the years. So gratifying to see others come around to that way of thinking. cheers

Non-military National Service is next in line.
Then a flat Tax. Welcome back Australia.

IS MISE.. you dont comprehend what a fine means
its an offer..that you may ignore or,sign into the value

[ITS NOT meant to be punitive..its pure REVENUE RAISING]
if your happy with the serrvice simply sign it ans return it to trannie dept/who sends it to treasiry who monetise it/paying off the debt in full

see under the constituted law..
THERE IS ONLY ONE lawfull/
MEANS OF PAYING /SETTLING DEBT

COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA CONSTITUTION ACT - SECT 115
States not to coin money

A State shall not coin money, nor make anything but gold and silver coin a legal tender in payment of debts.
[and even better it limits the amount that can be settled in l-awfull tender

IT HAS BEEN further clarified by high court[173 of 1993]
CURRENCY ACT 1965 - SECT 16
Legal tender

(1) A tender of payment of money is a legal tender
a/if it is made in coins that are made and issued under this Act
b/and are of current weight:

[its further clarified

(a) in the case of coins of the denomination of Five cents, Ten cents, Twenty cents or Fifty cents or coins of 2 or more of those denominations--[for payment of an amount not exceeding $5]..[* but for no greater amount;

(b) in the case of coins of the denomination of One cent or Two cents or coins of both of those denominations--for payment of an amount not exceeding 20 cents *..but for no greater amount;]

get it?
higher debts are paid for simply by signature/upon the 'BILL'
OR VIA REMITTANCES SIGNED RETURNED/MONETIZED

ITS ALL ABOUT HRH EXCLUSIVE Franchise....under siegnorage
please not the debasement=treason..of her coin/her realm.

ctd

SE GOVTS WENT BROKE YEARS AGO
THERE HAD TO BE A WAY TO aeTTLE DEBTS..[AS A LIE CANNOT CREATE CLEAR TITLE]..THEY NEDED TRUE VALUE FOR EQUABLE VALUE..ITS A HIGHER FORM OF BARTER..(c) in the case of coins of a denomination greater than Fifty cents but less than Ten dollars--for payment of an amount not exceeding 10 times the face value of a coin of the denomination concerned [but for no greater amount;]

(d) in the case of coins of the denomination of Ten dollars--for payment of an amount not exceeding $100 but for no greater amount; and

(e) in the case of coins of another denomination--for payment of any amount.

(2) For the purposes of subsection (1), a coin shall be deemed to be not of current weight if it has become diminished in weight by wear or otherwise so as to be of less weight than the weight prescribed as the least current weight of that coin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44hT122k6qY
If the Vatican claims a woman that is healed by John Paul II after his death makes him a saint, which according to Scripture is a bold faced lie, then would a statue erected in his honor that kills a man now declare him evil?
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=VATICAN+CRUSAFIX+CRUSHES+MAN&
let the judgment daze begin..make me explain

Is Mise one of the problems with income based systems is that there ar to many things they don't take into account. They don't include any measure of affordability to the person being asked to pay based on income, they don't include any measure of how hard someone works for the income they do have, they generally don't include a real measure of the resources a person has access to.

At best they are based on a very broad brushed assumption that taxable income is a valid measure of what people can afford which is rarely the case.

R0bert

robert/quote..<<..they generally don't include a real measure of the resources a person has access to.>>

its not meant to..[see that those in the know/know the law]
and those not in the know..dont know because they refuse to believe it could really be so.

so how is it supposed to work?
we formed govt..decided they needed to self fund
so we allowed them to tax 'incomes'..[ie money not earned..by value adding componant[ie work]..well coin was fine for all that/untill we went broke.

under the terms of bankruptcy..there had to be a way to settle the higher debts/that coin cant settle/this was done by things like iou/that are promise to pay/bonds..where we issue a bond [signed sealed].to treasury/and treasury adjusts the books[if its fair..your bound by your promise to pay..if the promise is gopopd and you remain in honour at death we settled the estates/balanced the books.

its difficult to explain the taste of meat to a vegan
but recall the law/dont sign aNYTHING/IF YOU DO its an offer
they issued their boND /VIA THE FINE..ON THEIR LETTER HEAD/UNDER THEIR SEAL[SIGN/SIG-NATURE]..ITS AN OFFER TO GIVE YOU THE HONOURABLE MEANS TO SETTLE IT

SO..all you need do with anything under its logo/seal trade-mark
[mark of the beast]..is an offer/if it mentions money..its an offer to settle the debt/in honour

some sign in a box[this disconnects the offer/but us used as a sign against the will/indicates no meeting of mind/but if there is a meeting of mind/simply sign-it..that is suposed to settle it/but so few know of it/let alone tested it

i test it on 6 may

its size must be equal
but so too is the means to settle it in coin/or by signature
dont sweat on it..sign it saying johan did it will make the fine go away...[i may need many court cases/but will prove its gods way]

put your sig-nature..on the promise to pay
sign it recogniseD FOR VALUE*

wikiseedwikigeld sun treaty
29 aquarious festival
2002

TRY/TRY/TRY AGAIN
LOOK AT A PLASTIC BANK BILL..please see that its just a check/signed by the current treasuror/at the time of issuing..its just an iou /cheque/promose to pay in legal tender[coin]/by adjusting the treasury books [our personal asset accounts records]..who reCORD OUR EVERY PENNY/ASSET\VIA OUR INCOME TAX UPDATE FORM.

so gradually the system has become more corrupted
but the young queen was decieved/the coin of her realm has been debased
tHIS IS HIGH TREASON/UNDER TIMES OF WAR*[dont say none told ya]

its like it was in the time of jonah and of christ and in time since before time[evil loves suffering]

SEE HOW DEMONS RULE OVER SATANS REALM/BY CHANGING WORDS mEANINGS
NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND..work'choices'..you know that emotive spin/where some are peacefully occupying..govt buildings and YET OTHERS ARE FREEDOM FIGHTERS OR TERRORISTS/OR COMMIES..how long will iot take to teach you the real meaning of a bill/or a bons..or a security or a promise to repay or odious debt..of criminal malfeasance

anyhow its judgment day
god gave us all credits/all recorded not by the pope/but by public servants settling the childrens of the fathers debts in ful and promptly[recall the untrustworthy servant[yep thats me..that brings ye the comdfort any chgild of the father has earned

yes they will try to call me insane
its all just part of the game..when they cant refute the fact nbor the logic[why have govt if its not there for us]..que warrento/bias/secrets..mates rates..are we all not the living mortal heirs of the imortal eternaL OMNIPRESENCE PRESENT.

Hi there INDIVIDUAL...

I applaud your suggestions, however why limit National Service to that of 'Non-Military' ? Why should some do the 'heavy lifting', and others not have to place their lives on the line, in order to defend this great country of ours ?

I do profoundly agree, an 'authentic' (bona fide) conscientious objector (religious pacifist), may be excused from combatant duties for sure. Though, their unique prominence per se, would not necessarily excuse them from participating in non-combatant duties eg. Medical Corps etc.

However, with the exception of those already cited above, all others should be compulsorily required to do their military duty, without the benefit of having your marble drawn, as was the inequitable practice during the Vietnam days. A case of 'all in' I believe !

I'm sure you'd agree INDIVIDUAL, as well as many others herein, that if you wish to live in this magnificent country of ours, then it's incumbent upon us all, to do our very best to defend it, if and when it becomes necessary. Quite similar to the successful Swiss model !

I hold no truck with those who arrive here, and who immediately manage to access our exceptionally generous welfare facilities, and if called upon, would not be prepared to actively defend this country, that's been so very generous and altruistic towards them and theirs !

o sung wu,
You are of course right however, I believe in non-military national service as a course into adulthood in both age & mentality. Once some degree of that mentality (are you listening (Paul1405 et al ?) has rubbed off on young adults it will lead to a greater sense of belonging which in turn leads to a greater sense of responsibility & consciencousness & more people will join the defence force. Imagine the improvement in defence & law & order.
Age eligible immigrants must be included & it will speed up/improve their assimilation & hopefully make them shake some of the baggage.
The way our society is presently going we're now paying the fine for letting the lefties have some say. That fine is unfair as it is unaffordable.

Come on Is Mise, this is a bit of a storm in a drain pipe isn't it.

Hell even Gillard had not got round to fining us for breathing, although I'll bet she thought about it. About the only thing most of us get fined for is breaking the road rules.

If even an old hoon like me, [Luddys description of me] can manage to abide by our ridiculously low nanny state speed limits, it kind of proves that getting fined is optional.

We even have a pretty fair idea of the cost for various digressions in advance, so we really do chose to make those contributions to Newman & company in advance.

It really does seem quite fair to me to charge everyone the same price to drive at 20 or 30Km/H over the speed limit. Anything else would be discriminatory I believe.

INDY/<<..Age eligible immigrants must be included & it will speed up/improve their assimilation & hopefully make them shake some of the baggage.>>

MY THOUGHTS..THEIR ALL FIT/HEALTHY..CAUSE OUR SPorts glory is dying[seen/noticed the new sports heroes/picked for physical ability/[sports not brains

but indy your trolling off topic old boy

<<..>>
.but mate fine..is much more than just fine with me

if its on letter head/on official form..or signed/its a contract
violate the contract..the name is in dishoNur

<<..good 'save'.The way our society is presently going we're now paying the fine for letting the lefties have some say.>>

DAMM COMPUTERS PLAAAAAAAAIANAG UP
/SEE REPLY BEFORE YOUR QUESTIOn

point being fair fines require the same level of obligation
[thus every ones sig-nature..is presumed to be honour[toi have standing]..untill dishonour is proved

a fine has a logo=ITS AN OFFER..TO SETTLE BY SIGNING/THE ORDER
THE ORDER CREATED THE BILL THE BILL IS THE BOND THAT BINDS YOUR WORD/INTOWORD

ITS REGESTERD AT TREASURY

IF ALL CAN SIGN AWAY OUR OBLIGATIONS..EQUALLY WITH OUR MARK/OF\THE BEAST..IS THIS NOT TRUE EQUALITY

BASED ON RECORD AND Certification
then authorisation..thus that contracted is honored
just because fools send in cash and credit/IS A THING FOR FOOLS TO EXPLAIN

dear fool/why did you sign their bond
ON-TOP\..OF THE AUTHORIZING REMITANCE
and paying credit..is double dripping
[preying on the ignorant/watch the rich/they simply sign their wealth awat

*

<<.. That fine is unfair as it is unaffordable.>>

if you wont pay the fine..then sign..both are fine
but to sign and commit any remit..is insane

try again

if i pay you with a signed check
i have paid in full/unless im in dishonour/and govt is the only fair judge/with the way and the means

to ye whom have that of you unto you
more shall be given

to ye who have that not of you
shall be taken even that ye thought ye had
we work from the ritches to the least..so who is the ritchest by income stream/audit the fed[etc]..damm trolls..but they do force futher hint.

Hi (again) INDIVIDUAL...

I do understand precisely what you're saying. The notion of some form of National Service, will (hopefully) furnish many of our young people with a more distinct direction in their lives. Therefore providing them with a greater degree of purpose, and hopefully, develop a greater degree of social maturity in both their lives and their perspective. Good thinking there INDIVIDUAL !

OMG, the above fanatics and weirdos are having a ball today. And they're not even embarrassed by their backward ideologies. LOL.

Most of us will have to use Public Toilets at some stage and I'm sure that all OLOs wash their hands before leaving the facilities.
Not everyone is as fastidious as us and the door handle that one has to grasp to get out of most Public Toilets may well be contaminated by unwashed hands.

Why are the doors on such places nearly always inwards opening so that one must pull them to get out?

Nhoj,
You'd better switch channels, the moron forum is on the other one. see ya.

'afternoon to you NHOJ...

You're a rather peculiar fellow aren't you, sniping away at all and sundry from the sidelines ? Is it simply a matter that you're bereft of any ideas, or simply you're bankrupt of creative thought ?

My post re toilets above was meant for a new discussion, I know that I go 'off topic' but not that far! Sorry.

Is Mise (and Indi), I agree that fines should be means tested. At least, anything larger than a parking fine should be.

Other countries have successfully implemented this. So it should also apply in Australia.

It doesn’t have to be perfect. Just a rough idea of a person’s financial wherewithal would be sufficient for the relevant authority to declare what the fine should be.

A percentage of income, or something a bit more detailed including assets, bank accounts, etc, would be a good basis.

And if anyone doesn’t think it is fair, there is always the court option.

……….

Well said o sung wu, re: Nhoj.

He/she/it is OLO’s new expect on how to win friends and influence people.

Haaaa hahahaa!

Hi there LUDWIG my friend, always a pleasure ! It's quite true though, NHOJ always seems to struggle to find anything remotely constructive to say about anyone or anything ? Actually, I feel rather sorry for NHOJ, given that in the very short period he/she's decided to grace us all, with his/her presence, he/she's managed to get him or her, manifestly off-side with nearly everybody ?

I can only hope he or she maintains the strict 'restorative' therapeutic regimen, otherwise there's no telling what might happen in that curious delusional state, in which he or she seems to perpetually subsist ? We can, but only try I suppose ?

he/she's
o sung wu,
actually it's an it.

Gee, you guys are not very clever are you. There's reasons why "others" are running the country and not you people. Not one of you even remotely realizes that means testing all fines will ... wait for it.. oh my gosh and golly gee .. COST MORE THAN THE REVENUE RAISED. The red tape and bureaucracy involved in administration and defending challenges to individual fines would be ENORMOUS.

Duh !!

Every millionaire and every wealthy member of their extensive families, every wealthy lawyer, every comfortable architect/ accountant / corrupt Liberal lobbyist / shifty used car salesman / church/ developer / banker / organization / politician etc etc etc etc (the list is close to endless) will .. wait for it .. oh my gosh and golly gee .. CHALLENGE EVERY FINE THEY GET in the courts, and also "arrange" their finances to minimise all possible damage. It will cost the country BILLIONS of $$$$$$ to pursue and investigate these people over the decades.

Let's just hope and pray that you people NEVER get a chance to run a chook sale, let alone a country.

Nhoj is right about this guys.
He says it like it is, and you lot all go off like firecrackers...one after the other.
I love it!

Don't you think this notion of paying fines according to income has been tossed about before....and then tossed out?

It is as impractical to implement as an involuntary call to arms in a military camp would be.
Individual, learning to use a gun does not 'make an adult' out of anyone.
It just proves they have a good eye and a will to kill.

go off like firecrackers..
Suseonline,
no, you just don't understand that such ignorance & even worse stupidity which you seem so happy to support, needs to be curbed before it becomes more contageous.
I'd say this is about the most perfect example of stupidity on OLO thus far.
Don't you have any integrity or sense of responsibility ? Why else would you agree with this moron ? Perhaps you're on too ?
We're discussing the fairness/unfairness of fines & you & this other moron butt in with an overdose of idotic nonsense.
Many fines are excessive & many are too lenient. You're an example of the latter. If stupidity were a crime you'd get life.
What is so wrong with a fine reflecting a percentage of income ? A fine of $100 really hurts a working person but it doesn't even register a thought for those floating in money. A fine is supposed to be adeterrent not some minor inconvenience.

Susie, Nhoj both well put.

<<Don't you think this notion of paying fines according to income has been tossed about before....and then tossed out?>>

Once again speaking sense. I'll put it to the other side and see if they have an answer!

Car A Gina Rhinoceros's brand new Lamborghini Gallardo and Car B Doley Dan's 68' Buzz Box. Both parked in the the "No Standing Zone" along comes Bomber Bill and sticks a bluey on their wind screens. FINED!
From this point what are the steps to be taken to collect the fine. Gina's annual income is $1 to $2 billion, not entire sure, have to ask her team of accounts and Doley's on $20 grand p/a from Centerlink and Tax records. What is the process for applying the fines and their ultimate collection. if it's 1% we know Doley owes 200 bucks Gina well somewhere between $10 and $20 million. I hear the shrill cry's already from the 'Usual Suspects' that's too much on poor Gina lets make it $1 or $2 million. After much legal wrangling Gina's legal team and accountants have offered a settlement figure of 200 bucks!

Please explain the process!

Whilst this is no issue for me, since my chauffeur ensures the car is never in a situation to be fined, the simplest concept would be to tie the fine to a fixed proportion of the replacement value of the vehicle the details of which are already recorded.

Might even be incentive enough to slow down some B-doubles on the roads?

paul/quote..<<..Please explain the process!..

FINED!
From..this point...what are..the steps.to/be taken..to collect the fine.>>

the easiest way..is when..you meet the injector/inspector..who made the offer.[simple acceptance..of the offer]..at this stage..is best[it must be made..in coin..as wage]

and outstanding amount..settled by r4v..remittance[ie signed recognized..for value...and put in the snail mail system..[or carried/for fee..in coin]..as wage.

but..thats not.how it goes today
BUT THIS..IS HOW ITS DONE..IN HEAVEN

OUR SIGNATURES..ARE OF EQUAL WORTH/by..wehere we are
....thus in hell..the cost price..of the sig'nature is odious debt/in heaven its all based on credit..[sig*nature].

[i figure we just have local zones..of your..level/
by/which..your works..earned/honour/credit.

.welcome to heaven
[if it debit..welcome..to hell

<<..Gina's annual income..is $1.to $2 billion,>>

no..her family trust[..might have an income]..BUT
THE LIVING..gina..CAN ONLY..'EARN'/WAGE..[AND WE DONT/have a tax on wage/only income/

ie..the trust'only'..has..'income'..
the rest..[living-beings]..only have wage*

the 'person'../created by state/ie the 'person'..on paper
thus..under the act/isthe doppelganger..the state created/that only it controls/..it..licences/..it-permits/warrents..ETC..

THEY..[paper/person'S]..ARE SUBJECTED TO..TRUE INCOME TAX

[IE..THAT VALUE ADDED..*not by labour value adding..component]

but already i feel/the gazed eyes

<<..and Doley's..on $20 grand p/a from Centerlink..and Tax records.>>

THE TAX RECORDS..is,..A HUGE SCAM..SEE YOU..[THE LIVING DONT EARN INCOME]..but..its deserved/because of inflation delating its worth..

yet..ONLY WAGE[IN COIN]..is..TAX FREE..but some..living-beings]..earn income..[interest capital-gain..fees fines levies surcharges service sees access charge etc=income.and we tax income/not wage

wage=tax free

><<After much legal/wrangling Gina's legal team..and accountants>>

wages/wage..tax free.[NOT INCOME]
<<..have offered a settlement figure of 200 bucks!>>

NOT LIKELY..LAWYERS COST THAT MUCH..just to read/THE OFFER.
the accountant should have informed her..of recognizing the value
and written the fine off..for her for only twice the parking fine

but more likely/the trust cops the fine..cause its all in the trusts name*..[everything she touches belongs to the trust[her kids are too greedy..she dont even sign r4v..[her trust may..or else the trust makes the points go away..

rich is easy..recognize true values
staying rich is the skill..bUT STILL ITS SO EASY..IT FEELS LIKE CHEATING..but thats why their rich..they cheat...time you knew the rule of law.

but educating monkies to inspect the fruit before voting
is made..imposable by changing the meaning of fruit

intuit it
get into it.

WM/BALANCE..<<..since my chauffeur ensures the car is never in a situation to be fined,>>

I LET MY PRIVATE SECRETARY FIX IT
[ITS AN APP]..I CLAIM RIGHT TO..THE FIX IT johan-app[by special application app.].copyrighted by announcement...here NOW BY CREATOR*

<<..the simplest concept would be to tie the fine to a fixed proportion of the replacement value of the vehicle the details of which are already recorded.>>

MATE THATS BRILLIANT*
AND SOME OF THE REVENUE..all of itgoes to protecting..all of us

see fines are cash..if you got the govt offering you fine cash
cash it in upgrading..the vehicle..no more penus envey..[god can you imagine what his speed fine/parking levy /road toll will be..gulp

no more wannabes..yes i know your bmw..is clapped out..
but here is my higher offer/to fix it..or for you to return it to govt..[as value]..r4v...

and yes the richer you are the more we need you aware of how giovt pays for its service as it goes[regonise the value ;lies in the obligation...commited to

<<..Might even be incentive enough to slow down some B-doubles on the roads?>>

slowing down the bouble b-s
yeah i like double c's myself
but in the end we get tripple c's
all on auto pilot..if you get what im meaning
self drive is the new law..[like them mining trucks]..no driver needed/but under watch..by the cowboys herding their auto-trucks/aito-cars/auto transporters..to their end destination..we we we all the way home

wm/quote.<<.<<..the simplest concept..>>

nothing is simple

<<>would be to tie the fine>>

this bit sends me visions..of di*vision
the concept makes sense..but is too vairiable /needing policing jufgment/resae vales etc..instead..my guides suggest..say gina paid 500,ooo..for her auto/plus fees rego etc..all these are simple credits[fines are simply auto deducted from her investment..in it[and at sale are taken out of the sale price then

but that loses the rich must pay more/but a simple ratrio couLD APPLY ACCORDING TO THE COST BRACKETS IT FALLS INTO AT POINT OF SALE

IE GINA HAS 500.000 In credit before..govt could take her autp
but no the poor would suffer more/no better is to stick with recognising the file as an offder of value to pay for repairing the public /averting alerting future systemised public danger

<<>>to a fixed proportion of the replacement value
of the vehicle the details of which are already recorded.>>

i got visions of being forced to wearing a pink jumpsuit
if only people would comprehend..simple law..of offer aceptance
and recogisation of value..[r4v]..oh johan let them be..

Yes Robert, another problem is that there are dollies who are also paid cash and, if it's from drugs, that can be huge.

I would prefer to see an increasing fine for repeat offending within an allotted time frame, say three years in keeping with demerot points.

Atbthe end of the day, if you can't afford the fine, that's even more reason to be on your best behavior.

We have a sweet little garage queen, a 320Ci E46 M Sport, that comes out some weekends for a picnic drive in the mountains with similarly minded friends. Back early today, with the gusting fresh wind there is no protected lee anywhere.

Anyhow, we never get a ticket and barring a hidden speed sign (but the GPS would probably warn anyway) we will never exceed the speed limit.

There are people on the road who do not care about their own safety and nor do they care about others. It has nothing to do with the value or type of vehicle. It is mostly about self-respect. Or lack of it where anti-social behaviour on the roads is concerned.

However if one was to generalise, the Bogans are far more likely to speed, tail-gate, change lanes frequently and so on. They continue to do that despite fines, which is why taking their 'ride' away from them is effective and should be done more often.

Envy has no place in Australian culture although it has been on a growth curve, as can also be said about minding neighbours' backyards, unfortunately. Both probably flow down from the shabby tabloid journalism that abounds, although some politicians encourage it as well.

Talk about 'Gen Y'. I had one young girl come in to pay 3 parking fines, she got slugged 3 days in a row. She parked in the same spot each day. Wow! Butch, I might agree with you, a sliding scale. On day four I would suggest the penalty could be, take away her mobile phone for a week, now that would hurt! I get them all the time, people with a stack of fines, many muttering profanities as to how badly done by they have been, some are obviously incapable of learning. I understand some 'suits' that spend their working day in Sydney's CBD sipping latte's and talking guff on their mobiles, find it cheaper to pay a parking fine for the day, than pay a parking fee. True.

cheaper to pay a parking fine for the day, than pay a parking fee.
Paul1405,
Now what does that tell you ?

Indi,
At one time it was not uncommon for people to use the same fine day after day. Just return to the same spot and put yesterdays parking ticket, which came in a window faced brown envelope back under the wiper blade. The other big con is people who get a disabled sticker for "mum" (who is disabled) and then use it themselves.
I live in Inner Sydney, car parking is a big issue, one very common resident gripe is "out of towners" driving from home, parking in the little bit of all day free parking in residential streets that still exists and then busing it to the CBD. To combat a lot of that, Councils put up a time limit signs, say 2 hour parking and then issue the residents with an exemption sticker. Its funny that happened in one street but before the Council could issue the exemption stickers the signs went up, and about 10 locals got booked. Our councilor on Sydney for there got inundated with calls from angry locals, she eventually got them quashed, but it took time.

POST LIMITS..FORBID ACCESS TO THREAD/AUDIT THREAT

frosty said//<<>.U.O.G:
It's actually impossible to find almost anything in any of your extremely hard to follow links, [TO DO WITH?]..with the domestic economy!

http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/viewtopic.php?f=114&t=33166
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 3 May 2014 5:45:26 PM

I WOULD REMIND HIM ITS not an ecomony threaD..but an audit commentary
im adding top the audited points they ommited to consider

like tRUE UNEMPLOYMENT IS 53 PERCENT[IN USA]..BELIEVING ITS 8 PERCENT/MUST ASDJUST THE AUDIT/RESULT[RUBBISH INRUBBISH OUT

HOW..this relates to revenue raisING
and r4v..is clear..compared to the greater frauds govt globally collude to do.

make the system fair..an offer is all anbyone can make
with no right of refusal[without further persicution]..the contract is fraud/made under threat.duress..this unfaRE TERMS/UNLATERAL CONTRACTS THAT BIND US IN RED TAPE..[red signifies living [sovereign]

black ink = dead corpus
blue is BUSINESS

ANYHOW IM MISSING MY BUS
TO ATTEND RAEME REUNION AT BULIMBA..12pm

ITS BEEN NICE KNOWING YOU

Paul1405,
As I said what does that tell you ? Tell you about the mentality of the people ? Now think a step further, these people have to vote. Now how do you think such selfish morons vote ?
You don't even need one guess for that when you're dealing with the others owe me a living from cradle to grave brigade.

SHAME, SHAME, SHAME

Read the below statement and weep --or perhaps laugh till you cry.

<<I live in Inner Sydney, car parking is a big issue, one very common resident gripe is "out of towners" driving from home, parking in the little bit of all day free parking in residential streets that still exists and then busing it to the CBD.>>

This is from a CARING and SHARING Green!

Funny how when it hits home they suddenly start thinking like those "redneck" "racist" 'xenophobes" they lampoon!

Indi,

I process fines, and many come from Gen Y and people in business suits. Sometimes trades people, not that many from people you might refer to as 'Doleies' or 'dole bludgers' tend to rely on public transport more, hard to get a parking fine on a bus.

SPQR, its not a problem for me, I take the bus to work from home. So hows that. The 'out of towers' neighbors would refer to are people who will drive their car 4 or 5 burbs then park and ride the bus the 10 minutes to their final destination, to avoid paying for parking. If they were to get up a half hour earlier and catch the bus or train the whole distance it would be better for the environment, it would be better for Cath, one of my neighbors who looks after her aged father, has to drive him around regular to doctors, hospital, shops he can't walk any distance. When she returns can't find a park in the street you have taken them all. Maybe you are one of the selfish types with a disabled sticker on you window, which you got courtesy of grandads heart attack. Cath told me she and her father are forever coming across people who will illegally park in a disabled spot rather than walk a short distance.

Given that wealthy people usually fiddle their tax returns to show much less than they have and assessing personal wealth could be expensive it would not be perfect, but has a lot of merit. First the less wealthy people have to control the parliament that makes the laws.Wealthy people devote a small amount of time to that and effectively control it.
In democracy votes rule, not money. There are far more middle income and poor people than wealthy ones. So they could easily control government. They don't because they don't realise that they could. Best to join Resident Roundtables (free), rate your politicians on performance and tell them what you want them to do. Those who have done so with FairGO over the last 28 years would mostly be very happy with the results.rr@fairgo.org

Paul would it be a fair assumption to make it that your work place is inner city or near inner city? If so you probably are not seeing most of the welfare crowd at your work place.

R0bert

Robert, no the welfare crowd wouldn't be at Paul's workplace. Why? Because they're too busy running mines, being CEOs, whinging that the dole is too high, sending their kids to the best private schools, fudging the books, being wealthy politicians and collecting their middle/upper class personal and corporate *WELFARE* (taxpayer funded of course).

the raeme meeting was very revealing
http://investmentwatchblog.com/david-quintieri-this-system-of-fraud-will-collapse/
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/05/enron-2-0-wall-street-wants-manipulate-state-energy-markets-just-like-manipulates-every-market.html

ANYHOW COURT TOMORROW
COURT 20 BRISSIE MAGG COURT
AL WILL BE REVEALED..its time..we got a fare go*
20 dollars to save the world/but i resent being put iunto commerce

but few know the ticket is the cash.recognise it for value and bank it
if the bank sends it to treasure treasury monetizes it and either gives itto the state/or gets a refund.

all explained tomorrow.be there..or not
no skin off my nose..im the one asking the questions.

da-vid..goal lie*th.

JONAH ENTERS THE BELLY OF THE WHA-EL
UNLESS OF COURSE IM PUT INTO PHSYC*e
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6293&page=10

IT WI BE A HOOT
dont get cute.

Yep ROb, plenty of welfare around Inner Sydney. They tend not to drive so they don't cop road fines. If you don't pay your fine on time there is a penalty.

Can someone please translate One Under No God's post into English please.

Nhoj....Its a long story....and no...I didn't mean bible:)

Kat

300 dollar fine
for wasting the time OF 8 police..for most of a day
plus overtime for some/hate to do the math..but thEIR PAYDAY..=300 BUCKS

NOT BAD FOR ALL THAT COURT TIME ANDS THE PAPERWORK/ONLU JUST PARY DONE

at minimum..i cost them 6000/of theiR BUDGETED SAVINGS
TO GET 300...ITS FUNNY WHAT COSTS THEY COst..for what gain[to make ME BRING THEM DOWN]

please explain?
yet again//SEE THE LINK/LET THE EVENTS EXPLAIN
im going to send them broke with not guilty then endess appeals
the cost of this one is GOING TO BE WAY OVER..double at LEAST/THEN THE MOVING FEAST GOES TO THE HAIG

IT BEGINS BY SUING spers/dpp/andcommbank/testra/sequeb/etc-al
begIN/WITH the antismoking mob..taking that 3 billion stolen from smokers and kil off THE EVIlS...ONE BY ONE/..WITH LAWYERS AND THYRISTORS\brainNrust/NETWORKING JOINT CAUSE... to MUTUAL EMPOWERMENT..THIS WORK GETS DONE..sue to pay for the big event

FREE EDUCATION..YOUR THESUS GRADUATION payoff
IS BRINGING HOme the appeal..one court case.THEN YOUR Big payoff[if you do it wel]

its never to late to specialise in onE ASPECT OF litigative law
plenty of cash in it/thats for sure/then we invert their profit fLow.

kids listen hard
the big jobs for tHE FUTURE IS in law.litigation/use that motivation/to properly apply THE LAW

BE IN AWE the power of just cause.
FIRST FINd a cause then ride the wid horse
lets make IT A COURSE..[ONLINE MITIGATION..SEEKING Alleviation/from over SATURATION SATIATION]..SOME SEE THE BLANK PAGE..OTHERS THE OUTlINE OF THE WORDS/yeT other see the imagry behind the wORLD.

Packer and his mate copped $500 each for "Offensive behavior" and would have paid out of their petty cash for the day, contrast this with two lads on Student Allowance or two lads on the minimum wage.

The degrees of deterrence and punishment would be non-existent for the millionaires but very much felt by the others.

Equality before the law?

The fact that Packer and Gyngell were ever charged says much tor the stupidity and nannyism into which our society is descending.

"A motorist was handed an eye-watering £80,000 fine for speeding by police - because he is rich.
Swedish businessman Anders Wiklof was caught doing 77kph in a 50kph zone while driving in Finland.
And the Scandinavian country penalises speeding motorists by fining them based on their wealth, meaning multi-millionaire Wiklof was hit with a hefty free.
Traffic cops gave the fast-moving magnate a speeding ticket following the incident on the island of Aland.
It is thought the fine handed out to Mr Wiklof, 67, is one of the highest ever.
The businessman and philanthropist accepted he was wrong for speeding.
But he said in an interview that the penalty was 'unreasonable'.
He said: 'I'd rather put that money on the elderly, health, day care or whatever.
'I have only myself to blame, but one can question whether it is fair.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2458711/Motorist-Anders-Wiklvf-gets-80-000-fine-speeding-Finland-hes-rich.html#ixzz31IYyb3N

YOU WILL LOVE THIS ISSIE
in court i was fined 300

i got the 'BILL'..NEXT DAY..
300[WAS ONE Bill]..the bill the judge ordered]

BUT THEN..
BILL NUMBER TWO.. something caled an 'offender/levy'
BUT AS BOTH..*ARE BILLS..I SIGNED THE REMITTANCE SLip..[bill].into promissory/SECurity/AGREEMENT

[A SECURITY].;..THUS I PUT A Large 's'..in red[that signifies/living person]..then i installed A LARGE I..OVER THE 'S'..[THUS=$].the i indicates an insured security.[ie thE VALUE]

WHAT SPERS IS SUPPOSED TO DO WITH IT..IS BAnk it/the bank takes IT TO THE FED/FED GIVES IT TO treasury/treasury presents it to treasuror/who signs it/returns it to fed/FED CREDITS SPERS/SPERS CREDIT QLD TREASURY/TREASURY GIVE IT TO GOVT TO 'Spend'[under the terms of the bankruptcy.THERE MUST BE A LAWFUL WAY TO PAY DEBT/THATS IT.

but few know OF IT
but the law=the law..[fed constitution 115/STATES..NOt to coin money nor make anything but coin lawfu tender/for payments of debt]

well the state/did mint 'legal tender[ie COIN]..IN THE FORM OF A BILL
AND WE Pay the bill with yet other billS/CALLED MONEY[PAYING IN paper-MONEY.is simply trading debt for debt/that is what passes for money..now.]

but the system wants us B.rok.BUT IDIOTS KEEP PAYING DEBT WITH DEBT NOTES.BUT SOME LIKE ME DONT..I REFUSED TO USE R4V/BEFORE NOW..BUT now its going into the systeM..[BY REGESTERD LETTER TOMORROW]

EVEN THIS new 'levy'
thanks be to 'state/penalties/enforcement-act.1999..section38[2]
LOL..AN ACT/PASSED..BY A GOVT/SANS AN UPPER HOUSE/AND DESPITE STATES surrendering the right to legislate to the fed[]SEE SECT 1]/fed con.

http://rss.infowars.com/20140507_Wed_Alex.mp3

i wiL./READ THE ACT.. for you

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/spea1999280/

STATE PENALTIES ENFORCEMENT ACT 1999

TABLE OF PROVISIONS
Long Title
ContentsPart 1--Preliminary1. Short title2. Commencement3. Definitions4.

Objects...5. *Act has limited application to children
6. Act binds State, Commonwealth and other States..

Part 2--The State Penalties Enforcement Registry

7. The State Penalties Enforcement Registry
8. Functions of SPER
9. The SPER charter
10. Registrar and other staff of SPER

11. Management of office
12. Protection from liability

Part 3--Infringement notice

ij short/this law/levy..is unlawful..[im not GOVT..IM NOT A CHILD]

ALL THE LAWS ARE THIS PATHETIC/i will be appealing/have the appeal papers..and wilL use this in persecuting the state as unlawfull/that we need AN URGENT CONSTITUTIONAL REVIEW/AS AFFECTvly all state legislation is unlawful/but by WEIGHT OF Deceivers/acts to..pay by fraud...[PAYING CASH/NOTES IS ACTUARY CRIMINALITY..and coin is limited tO THE COINAGE ACT/..legal tender SECTION.SEE PREVIOUS POSTS.

which MEANS INDIVIDUALS MUST BE HELD TO ACCOUNT FOR THE ODIOUS DEBT
[ODIOUS=criminal/its obligation fails on those who en Debited THE STATE/TO THE TUNE OF 85 BILLION[LOOK AT THE FED PANIC Over a mere 30.bilion..[qld is in deep doOD00.]..

Maybe fines should be expressed as a percentage of IQ?

So… why was Packer charged given that Gyngell has taken full responsibility?

Why were either of them charged?

Would two ordinary blokes having a scuffle of that sort, without either of them making a formal complaint against the other, have resulted in charges being laid?

Not likely.

<< The fact that Packer and Gyngell were ever charged says much tor the stupidity and nannyism into which our society is descending. >>

Well Is Mise, it was certainly a stupid and nannyistic thing on this occasion. Whether this is indicative of society descending into a nanny state, I’m not so sure.

I think the opposite is happening actually – the rule of law is being steadily eroded.

An unfair fine on this occasion for Packer at least, if not both of them.

And unfair lack of fines for many breaches of the law, which the authorities are just not dealing with…. not least with many road rules (eg: tailgating).

LUDWIG/<<.So..why was Packer charged..given that Gyngell has taken full responsibility?

Why were [n]either of them charged?>>

im not interested/ENOUGH..in loOking up the details
buT THESE THINGS..NEED BE 'SEALED'-UP QUICKLY..TO get them out of the news..AND NOT BECOME HUGE Persona dramas/where everyone begins speculating.

but tHERE IS any NUMBER/OF BY-LAWS/A COUNCIL/STATE..where precedences/meet the NEED\..this would HAVE BEEN OFFERED Initially/by one or both of their lawyers..and cleanly TO received a fine/is an OFFER..whether they accept the offer/OR not..is beside the point.[its gone/forgotten\NOW..1000= A CHEAP FIX[these elite scum would never of course/FIGHT THE LAW..if its wrong/because they both got rich..on that error.

<<>.Would two ordinary blokes..having a scuffle of that sort,
without either..of them making a formal complaint..against the other, have resulted..in charges being laid?>>

HARD to say/..';joe public'..on a Saturn-day NIGHT WOULD LIKELY/have resulted in a raft of charges/from PUBLIC DRUNKENNESS TO RESISTING ARREST..[YOU CAN TEll these pair woud have resisted arrest/more likely than not you and i would both have been arrested/detained til nexT DAY..

and/PACKER..now be needing to attend..a number of 'appearances'/THAt waste effectively 3 days pay..[TO PROve/he didNT BEGIN IT..PLUS psychiatric evaluation AND SOME COMPULSORY 'REMEDIAL COURSE'..OR jaiL default[GOOD BEHAVIOR/ORDER'So…

<<>.why was Packer charged given that Gyngell has taken full responsibility?..Why were either of them charged?

Would two ordinary blokes having a scuffle of that sort, without either of them making a formal complaint against the other, have resulted in charges being laid?>>

KEY POINT.. police cAN ONLY ACT..IF SOMEONE COMPLAINS
it fives them 'standing'..But the standing must show damages/they could easy refute...the case on standing alone[providing NO ONE ESE suffered loss..

[see if they BROKE MY BRICK WALL/WITH THEIR thick heads/that has given me lawFULL STANDING TO ABATE/THE INJURY]..AND THEY WOULDnt have a leg to stand on

its alL about standing[in law]
and with botany/GOVT HAS NO STANDING IN DECLARING A PlANT A DRUG

<<And unfair lack of fines for many breaches of the law,>>

2bctd

..<<<..which the authorities are just not dealing with…. not least with many road rules (eg: tailgating).>..

damm a great chunk 'conveniently'..self deleted
[DAMM/I HATE EDITING]..lost the flow

preferably..with some protection ORDER/BY ONE OR OTHER/THAT RESULTS IN IMMEDIATE JAIL..simply for GETTING NEAR EACH OTHER/laws they use to sTop our free-association/BUT EASY BUST/FOR BEING WRONG PLACE-TIMe.

<<Whether this is indicative of society descending into a nanny state, I’m not so sure.>

i am..sure
nannies make nice regular revenue*
AND OF YOU CAN 'DOUBLE-UP'YA BETS..WITH 103/dollar and 50 cents fOR EACH..'ENFORCEMENT ORDER/SO MUCH THe better..

[say 1 million..'justifiable /juDICIA 'ORDERS'/..TIMEs..\$ 103-50..is a NiCE LUMP TO GET..[EVEN IF YOUR ONLY GETTING THE $3-50/Let alone in the hundreds..]

<<the rule of law is being steadily eroded.>>
sadly no/every govt adds its own new laws..THE RULE IS BlEED THE SUCKERS[READ CITIZENRY]..DRY BY SIN TAXES...UNDER THREAT AND PUNITIVE ADVANTAGES/to the disadvantage..of the 'service-receiver'..[WHO DEFINITIVELY..never get consulted.

<<>.An unfair fine>>
is resolved IN THE COURT/AND ONTO THEir RECORD
none of them..would ever get a 'regular'-joB..EVER AGAIN..and every arrest/WOULD BE HAVING THE Warning on it 'dangerous'

<<And unfair lack of fines for many breaches of the law,>>

THeir fiving that[YOUR phone..'is-..watching you/
YOUR PAM-TOP..YOU DASH-TOP navigator/will soon be mandated..and every minuscule breach/opend up for revenuE/RAISIONG.Even business- OPPORTUNITY
[THey are all ready teaching the kids/your being WATCHED ALL THE TIME

it took a while but 1984/HAPPENS..TO MANY OF US DAILY

which the authorities are just not dealing with…yet.
but to whoever suggests it to them/WILL BECOME A NICE REVENUE EARNER

if they CAN POINT AT ANYTHING/ANY line IN THE ACT
PAY-UP../OR WE TAKE YA License/your car rego..YOUR BANK ACCOUNT/savings..AND FINALLY YOUr home..[via act MUMB ER.blah bah bLAH]..AND ORDer number/and the sherrifs warrent..

ITS WHO NEXT.

i hate being forced to know/of this ccc rap..
we forced govt for peace/good order/regulate trade
INSTEAD GOVT RUNS WILD[TAX FREE]..AND WE HAve been actively BETRAYED.c