Well done Yuyutsu, you have just shown us you are prepared to sell your religion for a few ounces of silver. Of course it is nothing I did not expect.

If you don't like the holidays given in a Christian country, you do know the answer

Dear Hasbeen,

The purpose of penalty rates should be to compensate real people for real sacrifices and inconveniences - not for the state to enforce its social (or even religious) ideology and calendar.

At some stage, if the sacrifice is too great, then one just says to their boss: "forget about it, hell may freeze over, you can shoot me but I still won't come to work on this particular date", but at other times it's only an inconvenience, so then a pecuniary compensation is appropriate.

My local fish and chip shop is open all over Easter has a signup 50c surcharge for opening public holidays per order talking to him no one has had a problem with it,Maybe rather then trying to get your workers to work for peanuts you might try a bit of creative thinking.

....Doesn't this sound fairer?

Simple answer, No! Why, because running a business is about running a business, not managing the personal needs of employees. If they (employees) don't like that, they can always startbtheir own business.

Problem solved! Their customers may not be obliging, but at least they will have their saced days off.

Why should less than 1% of the workforce disrupt the entire system when all they need to is start their own business. If they are game enough!

Another problem with your suggestion is that what if the business closes on public holidays, what then, does that worker have the day off without pay? Yea, the union would have a field day with that.

Unfortunately the answer is loud and clear, when you arrive here, you either accept it, or leave.

Doesn't this sound fairer?

Aussieboy, the labor component for fish and chips is about 35%, so $5.25 for a $15.00 order. This incorporates all aspects of selling that meal.

On a public holiday that $5.25 becomes $15.75, so, how do you think people would react to a $10.50 surcharge on a $15 meal?

Furthermore, your average fish and chip shop is a poor example, as many of those dollars don't see the till and few pay the real wages.

The effect is on legitimate businesses that do the right thing

Dear Rehctub,

<<running a business is about running a business, not managing the personal needs of employees.>>

Both of us already agree on that: we already agree that IR laws are wrong in principle, though we seem to disagree on what should come in their place (your idea seems to be for everyone to open their own business, mine is to handle basic welfare through an unconditional negative-income-tax, then leave the rest for the free-market).

To the extent however that IR-laws stay and that those who work for others in exchange for money are still considered "employees" (whether they like it or not and whether we two like it or not), my suggestion is fairer to those "employees" than the current situation.

You raised a slight technical point, which can be solved with a slight technical-correction:

You want to encourage those of other religions/cultures to start their own business, but you overlooked the possibility that those of them who are "game enough" may employ others who are less "game enough". While anyone could be employed by these new businesses, they will be particularly attractive to those with a similar calendar as the owner - that's Laissez-faire, isn't it?

So long as we have IR laws, there's no perfectly-just solution anyway, but it only makes relative-sense that a business should be able to close down on any days it likes, rather than when the government tells it. What happens to pay-conditions on the days it's closed can be handled by unions similarly to how it is treated now, only without specifying certain dates as 'special'.

<<Unfortunately the answer is loud and clear, when you arrive here, you either accept it, or leave.>>

I have a vote just like you and the same right to thrive to change things that are improper in democratic ways.

The idea as if one culture may legitimately hog for itself a whole continent only because its ancestors had better ships and guns and used this place as a penal colony, is outdated and unfair.

(yes, I'm aware that others do it too: that's wrong as well!)

aussie/quote..<<..My local.fish and chip/shop.is open..all over Easter.[it]..has a sign/up.'50c surcharge..for opening public holidays.per order......Doesn't this sound fairer?....>>

yes..50 cents/per order...20 ORDERS PER HOUR=10 BUCKS
EASY/AS..TILL THE GREEDY BUTCHER..PUTS HIS BIG/FAT THUMB..ON THE SCALE

<<..because..running..a business..
is..about running..a business,>>

IE..GET MAXIMUM FROM..THE BOTTOM LINE
POOR ME\STUFF You..STUFF DELETED

<<>.Why should..less than 1%..of the workforce..disrupt the entire system..when all they need to..is start their own business...If they are game enough!>>

lol not everyone..wants to become..like you/blue*
<<..the answer is loud and clear,..when you arrive here,..you either accept it,..or leave.>>

no doudt..you put that..in your job adds?
weak as pee/..now saying what you always...*didnt say
[unless you were....holding their testes/in a sling]

requote\<<Doesn't this sound fairer?
Aussieboy,..the labor component..for fish and chips is about 35%>>

PLEASE PROVIDE PERSONAL PROOF..OR OUTSIDE SOURCE/ITS NOT THAT WE DONT BELIEVE YOU/BUT HECK..YOU CAN Always walk

<<..so $5.25 for a $15.00 order.>>
FOR UNDER 15 DOLLARS..PER HOUR AT LEAST/NORMAL TIME..IS THEFT

BUT HECK LETS RE-DO YA MATH

20 MEALS..[PER HOUR]..AT..$10..MOST OF THE WAGE Componant]
=[IS]..200 BUCKS..TIMES 10 HOURS=2000..[FOR TWO GRAND YOU COULD GET A BETTER SHOp/location..BUT IM SICK OF THIS/RUBBISH...and reading it thrice

bull<<This incorporates..all aspects of selling that meal.>>shhh it

<<>.On a public holiday that $5.25 becomes $15.75>>
how when the biggest wage cost is you the manager/boss
the loss/and most the cost/then you rent off yourself/but via a tax free of shored trust

<<,so,how do you think people would..
react to a $10.50 surcharge..on a $15 meal?>>

aussie boy just said..50 cents

great capitalist..that you are/YOU..just turned into ten bucks
INTO 200..LOL....THE tax people need double check ya math..how much income tax ya paying?

no dont tell me..i recall you already saying
at least we agree..on the other/trannie-tax/thing..but that was by math too

BULL..<<many of those dollars..don't see the till
and few pay the real wages>>.SHHH IT.. prove it.

AB/<<talking to him,,[shop/owner].no one has had a problem with it,..Maybe rather then trying to get your workers to work for peanuts you might try a bit of creative thinking...>>>

well/said..Aussieboy,..bravadO

ps need witness/..for court..
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6293&page=11
HOPEFULLY THOUSANDS OF WITNESS/read a pipeline..to the ear of authority/first witness/is\my master.