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Posted by rehctub, Sunday, 20 April 2014 1:49:51 PM
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Generally speaking there are some businesses, that their turnover increases on weekends and public holidays.
So if there is an increase in turnover for example from 10k on a week day to 15 or 20k on a weekend or public holiday, what is the problem? To claim that the businesses whose turnover increases, on these days cannot afford penalty rates is a lie. Posted by Wolly B, Sunday, 20 April 2014 9:33:04 PM
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Wolly B, in the tourist industry, other than perhaps the small owner operated business near a major city, weekends offer the least trade for most.
You will find most of the small to medium operations, on the "Sunday drive" circuit pay a flat rate for the day, & the locals are glad to get the work. You might be surprised to find how many are welfare recipients, & will only work for cash in hand. On the other hand, you probably approve of that, but want them paid top dollar. Sundays & Mondays are the transfer days in the main tourist industry, when the majority are flying in or out. Tuesdays & Wednesdays are your peak trading, as they rush to do everything. Fridays can be busy, as their last opportunity before they leave. One smart operator bunged on a "Polynesian Luau" on Saturday night, which improved his weekend trading, but we can't all be that clever. That was fun for me, as he used to have some of the waitresses do a hula as part of the show. As one of the few people around, who had seen the real thing, he used to get me to teach each new bunch of girls. Ozzie girls had no idea. A hula is all in the knees, not the hips, hence the long skirts. It did not take long for them to get the idea, once shown. Posted by Hasbeen, Sunday, 20 April 2014 11:30:08 PM
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wally B, Have you considered what it takes to increase that turnover from $10K to $20K, STAFF, all on penalty rates.
This is the problem when people that don't understand how a business operates start to assume they do. Worse still, we have government ministers with the same no idea mentality, which is all too often the cause of the mess in the first place. As the labour component of preparing a meal is required FOR EVERY MEAL, it stands to reason that a doubling in meal numbers (turnover)equates to additional staff. Now of cause the busier the shop is, the more efficient your staff costs become, so in essence the staff cost does not actually triple, because I only used that example for ease of explanation, and I apologise if I confused anyone, but it does increase significantly and a 50cent surcharge definitely doesn't cover it. Your cost of goods remains the same, if not more, and often your rent/outgoings increase as well depending on your lease arrangements as most shopping centres charge additional rent on public holidays. Posted by rehctub, Monday, 21 April 2014 8:58:27 AM
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RECTOR-TUB/QUOTE..<<>.As the labour component of preparing a meal is required FOR EVERY MEAL,..it stands to reason that a doubling in meal numbers..(turnover)equates to additional staff.>
NO MATE/WRONG AGAIN ya see we cook a couple of roast then just dish them up/sometimes we work faster.or other times slow but the food is pre cooked.its nearly ready to go IM USING THAT TO HIDE THIS AT LEAT YOU ADMIT..YOUR WRONG..sometimes <<>.Now of cause the busier the shop is, the more efficient your staff costs become, so in essence the staff cost does not actually triple,>> thats iok..we knew that you exagurated a tad..<<because I only used that example for ease of explanation, and I apologise if I confused anyone,>> great but then you did un pgarse it [side the aPOLOGY INSIDE AND OUTSIDE THIS COME BACK..IN THE SAME PARRAGRAPH..<< but it does increase significantly and a 50cent surcharge definitely doesn't cover it.?? DESPITE A SHOPKEEPER SAYING SO FINE..but wait..there's more lol <<>Your cost of goods remains the same, if not more, and often your rent/outgoings increase as well depending on your lease arrangements as most shopping centres charge additional rent on public holidays.>> thats a long stretch tubby rent and outgoings increase..goods stay the same..[24/7] most shopping centers? additional rent on week ends..only if the numbers added up but the math as we say..must be precise..or its on ice. theory can triple wages costs..to score the point but hey extra rent..on weekends/why not.. it all goes back into the tax free off shore trust accounts.. first..buy..your oWN SHOP..OR MAKE A RENT FREE OFFER..THE THINGS WILL NEVER BE CHEAPER..first buy the shop location location location. DONT MISS THIS http://rss.infowars.com/20140420_Sun_Alex.mp3 http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_04_20/Slavyansk-mayor-asks-Russia-to-send-peacekeeper-5232/ http://xrepublic.tv/node/8504 http://12160.info/page/bundyranch-the-case-for-a-little-sedition Posted by one under god, Monday, 21 April 2014 10:05:28 AM
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Penalty rates are an incentive to intice people to work & forgo their weekends & public holidays. Why all of a sudden is there a push by this employer group & especially the media? Why is it the ones that are earning the big bucks begrudge this allowance? The places have been operating for years under the same system, all of a sudden they're on the push. They may use the excuse they are struggling but so is the employee who is willing to sacrifice their precious time to turn up to work on these occassions, the travelling to get there, the odd hours they finish & then to safely return to their homes for the sake of possibly 3-4 hours work. The hospitality sector apply surcharges to cover this & the cost of food & alcohol is also increased.
Posted by Lane56, Monday, 21 April 2014 10:21:32 AM
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The minimum wage for a F&C worker (adult ) is approx $18 per hour. I work on a sale of $15 for ease of working. Which means the wage component of that meal is $5.25
Triple time on PH makes that $54 per hour. Simple math.
Wages do represent approx 35% of these businesses sale price, that's a fact.
So, if wages increase by 200%, that means the price should increase by 70% to cover the additional wages. People won't pay that yet expect the business owner too.
This is why more and more LIGITIMITE businesses are choosing to close on public holidays. Which brings me back to the basic question, how can a worker be no worse off if they loose their shift?
You and duck and weave this question all you like, but the fact remains they are worse off.
As for cash being skimmed off the top, take your head out of the sand if don't believe this happens.