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Butch,

Lets cut to the chase, Australia's 2 biggest employers are retailers Coles and Woolworth, these are mega businesses with around 200,000 employee's each. Both run many 24/7 operations, mainly supermarkets, but lots of other retailing operations as well. Overall they are very profitable businesses indeed. Their stores in the main are staffed by wages employees, some full time, some part time, many casual. All of their retail operations are operated under union negotiated workplace agreements.
There is no call from either of these two corporations for any so called "flexibility" within their business, they are happy to operate with the "restrictions" placed on them by properly negotiated workplace agreements, paying penalty rates as agreed, and other agreed conditions. Why should others, for what ever reason, be entitled to scrap hard won pay and conditions and negotiate down or away those worker benefits,
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 17 April 2014 9:52:55 PM
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Paul, the answer is simple, because retail , especially large retail, has not been effected as badly by PR as the likes of hospitality and tourism.

Coles and Wollies don't pay triple time on public holidays, as they usually pay a penalty, then give a day/time off in lue. Small Hospitality dont work that way.

Another huge advantage the the big two enjoys is market share, as once they taken their share, the others, including the dying small retailer, have to fight over the scraps.

As for hospitality, Coles and Wollies own many pubs and their sheer size allows them to provide meals at prices small operators simply can't compete with.

Sadly, much of the funding from this unfair domination comes from pokies, as I read somewhere that Wollies is now the biggest owner of poker machines.

I dear say their pub staff don't get paid what smaller independent employers staff get paid on PH.

But, as I have said to others, by all means keep pushing, but the result will be loss of jobs and, how do you suggest a worker can be no worse off if they don't have a shift/job due to the closure of their place of work on public holidays, days where they used to enjoy affordable penalty rates, and were quite happy with them at at.

Remember Paul, I didn't say no worker will be worse off, Julia did.
Posted by rehctub, Friday, 18 April 2014 6:02:18 AM
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Posted by one under god, Friday, 18 April 2014 7:18:53 AM
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OUG although I like to family time of Easter, I don't buy the myth of it all.

BTW, I have no problem with anyone being compensated for working Good Friday and Christmas days.
Posted by rehctub, Friday, 18 April 2014 9:11:43 AM
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its/well known/the slaves..[pub*lick sir*vants]..have let us down

if/yOUR..PAYING THE BILLS/TIME..YOU KNEW WHY

arjay/quote..<<>.This pre-occupation with illegals..>>

WILLING/TO..WORK..FOR FREE.<<<is a just a distraction from the real game of looting..our economies and keeping us peasants subjugated>>
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=16224&page=0

see how they sell suburbia/REPLACEMENT/CULTURE..TO US..in sitcoms
we bought..into the dream..instead of family[PICK/A FAMILY/PICK..FRIENDS]

we are..'the team'[JUDGE/JUDY/COP-SHOWS/FOOTY/SOME BALL/'BROADCAST'
or the state..or the nationality..or the sex..or the skin..GROUP/MOB

my point is we are all..being made..over into clones..SET WAGE/ACIODING/TO..THE STANDARD.O.OF WORK/EXPECTED..FROM A FORCED SLAVE..

ONE BRUSH TARS..US ALL/
WE ARE ALL SINNERS/WE ARE ALL IMMIGRANTS...BEGGING..FOR WORK

we are..all..SPOILED/BELOVED..children..enjoined living mortal heirs of..the one most holy living living merciful immortal/omnipresenowholly spirit.

how to explain..to loved ones..whats going on
globally..is they give us foodstamps..or subsistence dole/PENAL TITHE/RATE/CASAUAL/AT CALL.ONE SIZE FITS ALL

where most half/govt income..goes back direct to some capitalist ..landlord/tax free.[off shored trust]..stealing govt/bailout cash..from..slaves..working/for\dole.

[we ARE SEEING REAL-ESTATE UP..AGAIN IN IRELAND..yet..still 5000 ghost estates..they bought up pennies in the pound..stand empty

but/what if*..we could..get cash/from govt via rent assistance for immigrants ..nice sure govt cash-flow..to fill to fill the capitalist bill..dole/rent assistance..

[yet more drain/from the public purse..filled only by selling more public services..[privatisations..of govt income streams..or by ever more sin taxes or fees fines revenue acces chargES/other increases in govt theft..[read tax burden]

WE ARE SEEING HOUSES GO UP/..YET/SEEING EVICTIONS AND REPOSSESSIONS..homeless joblessness broken homes..go up to

THEN..HUGE GOVT..bailout/mates..with TAX ADVANTAGED FIRMS CREATING THE NEXT INVESTMENT BOND..bubble..[bunded RENTED HOUSING]...damm caps..ie the next bubble[rental houses paid for immigrants via dole payments]

its a hidden bailout/
THE GROWTH MODEL DEMANDS
but..ONLY PUTS further NON PRODUCTIVE/Burden on us...ALL .GLOBALLY..
http://rss.infowars.com/20140417_Thu_Alex.mp3

i wish people would..get the facts
http://whatreallyhappened.com/node
GIVE THINGS A REST
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Posted by one under god, Friday, 18 April 2014 9:15:50 AM
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Dear Rehctub,

<<As for other religions who wish to celebrate days other than our recognized public holidays, tough! The laws were here before they came.>>

I wonder whether the good-will is there, but if there is a will - then there is a way:

Let every employee give their employer in advance a list of a fixed number of dates per-annum on which they really-really don't want to work.

If the employer is unable to fix the rosters so they are free on those dates, then they get penalty rates.

If the majority of employees still value Easter for example, then they will still receive penalty rates on Easter because there wouldn't be enough replacements.

Doesn't this sound fairer?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 18 April 2014 9:46:32 AM
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