CrisGaff1000 my though long before starting the thread includes all welfare.
I note comments that talk of uncaring governments and seem against any cuts.
That if acted on, stops true welfare and in time threatens ability of this country to have any system.
I highlight the American street people.
We need to confront what we meant when this country and England first paid welfare.
Did we intend to just help the poor or see an ever increasing rise in both costs and people receiving welfare.
Are we capable of coming up with reforms that ensure welfare can survive.

I have the idea that Mr abbott sees medicare as welfare, along with public hospitals, and public schools. This may well be what they are softening you up for.

579 do you understand your stand point, telling off a mutual dislike for Abbott is trying to deny any change.
Be assured change is coming.
And Liberals are going to do it not Labor.
I just can not say loud enough or long enough we need that change.
We should have crafted it while in government.
We did not, in part because some refuse to see the waste the leaches and fail too to understand
*The system was never intended to feed parasites*

I know what you are saying belly. I was defining what i see as abbott's type of welfare cuts. After offering money for newlyweds at the same-time planning welfare cuts. Why not up the GST.

......If they are looking to save on social security then start with the indigenous welfare that gets fed through the poker

Too right Chris, but dont just target that group, target all welfare.

579, of cause Medicare is welfare, because if it wasn't, then we could all get to see the doctor for nothing.

Paying for something, then being denied the right to it causes contempt.

The first cut to Medicare should be any illness that is self inflicted, such as alcohol, drug and tobacco abuse along with ridiculously unhealthy diets.

Please note the word 'abuse' as this rules out those who enjoy the odd drink, maccas or even a fag.

If you wish to slowly kill yourself that's fine, but don't kill the system along the way.

No one would want to go down the path of the USA. We have enough crime and thieves now without making it compulsory just to survive.
The same with medicare, pensions are not structured for extra expenses of medical. You go on about the underemployed, with out welfare they will be far less underemployed.
Has anyone come up with a realistic solution or is this left to Abbott.