Hasbeen ,no matter what you don't like alternate energy is well under way. The cost of big batteries are coming down and solar power is cheap.
More than 2 million installations are now in operation.
It won't be long before housing subdivisions will need to have their own solar + battery installations.
Hospitals and education is what will get hit for welfare cuts, and the rich will get richer.
As in the US if you can't afford to get sick it's best not to.

Gentle men in truth it was 1973 that saw a very big over correction in welfare and it continues still.
It should be clear I remain ALP but it was us who started the slide, because we cared, maybe too much.
It is also true and why must it be? that Liberals reign in the waste and Labor back in office does not return to their old system but keeps the Liberal one.
I most definitely am not calling for starvation wages/dole/welfare.
What however is wrong with returning some thing of value to the country?
I believe a job instead of welfare system would see more than one percent of c8urrent precipitants drop them selves off the dole.
British press is worth a look goggle the new daily.
Right now one story tells us over their 15% of those on disability payments are well enough to work.
My thought here is to defend the system we first must cut waste and fraud.
This will earn me enemy's but if Labor falters at change in this area it will pay for it a growing concern about Green/Labor links will if left choke us.

579, "solar power is cheap"

Cheap for whom? For how long? While I can see some benefit in solar, other consumers on the electricity grid should not be paying higher tariffs to subsidise home solar.

However even if consumers paid for all of their installation and had no subsidy, the hours of generation are at the wrong time for them unless they are at home in the daylight hours.

Consumers must soon twig that as demand for power reduces through proliferation of home solar generation, the electricity providers will levy a large flat fee to compensate for loss of profit. That has already happened with water, where higher charges make up for reductions in usage that persist after the cycle of higher rainfall returned.

Belly, "it was 1973 that saw a very big over correction in welfare and it continues still"

It set up the business model for the victim industries.

Belly, "It should be clear I remain ALP but it was us who started the slide, because we cared, maybe too much"

Excuses. Maudlin B.S., where honesty is required. Labor knew immediately of abuses - their public service advisers in Social Services, Treasury and the Australian National Audit Office certainly did. But Labor benefitted from the votes of the hordes of welfare abusers, including many ethnics who knew how to work around regulations to their advantage, and the academics, bureaucrats and professionals who were to make careers and jolly good incomes from the burgeoning victim industries.

There is no high moral ground on this for Labor, while Gough was idealistic, it was cynical politics to buy votes and remained that way.

Why no recognition from you on the departure from traditional Labor values and priorities (as understood by Labor supporters and voters) and instead, a course set by the 'Progressives' aka Fabian Socialists aka International Socialists? Labor was one thing to voters, but quite another behind closed doors when the imperative was the Statism and central control of International Socialism instead.

Reading your posts one arrives at the same conclusion every time, that addressing the systemic corruption of Labor will never be a higher priority than winning seats. That is where the 'Progressives' are able to pull the wool over your eyes time and time again.

Belly, I would suggest we have a much higher figure of 'could work' on disability pensions, or at least caters pension.

Now while I accept that many caters are ligit, it is ome area that needs a shake up, because there is no way a person should be on a caters pension, looking after someone WHO COUKD have a knee give way while at the shops.

Surely they COULD shop on their day off.

I also know a guy who pulls a shifty with a sore back and has been on the pension for decades, lives in a rental and pays $80 a week, has a working partner and no kids.

When asked to work he simply says to the investigator, will you sign a form to say you forced me to work if I become a cripple. Of cause the answer is no, so off he goes and enjoys his black market income.

579, it is a matter of scale, sure it is quite feasible to have a
couple of million solar systems scattered all over the country and
offset electricity bills.
It is altogether a different matter to fit every residence, (including
flats etc), with solar cells big enough for everything plus batteries
plus storage for 3pm to midnight in winter then pay for it and then
have enough people to maintain the systems, in every town and city.

I just think that you are not aware of the logistics of the task.
Have you ever done any work on the installation of moderate sized
electrical installations ?

The fact of the matter is we, the whole community, no longer has the money !
Whats more we will never have it.