Australia's geographic location in the world gives it the ability to become a neutral country and thus hold the balance of power.
No military assets of any kind on or in our territorial borders.

The questions are.
What is a neutral country in the 21st century?

Do we want to be a neutral country.?

As a neutral country will we hold the balance of power and if so why.

Are we as a nation strong enough to believe that we can manage such a position in the free world successfully?

Do we believe in an honest open society that has the ability to manage our country in this manner.

Welcome and you will find a friend here with a tag like yours.
Can we be honest?
Australia in every shade of government, and quite rightly uses its alliances to protect us all.
To turn our back on our defense partners would be to invite another country to take us over.
I find SOME Christians do not play well with the majority's thoughts.
Australia ,like Gods chosen people the Jews must look to its own defense God was busy during ww2 he may be on leave when we need him here.

Belly ".Australia ,like Gods chosen people the Jews must look to its own defence.
God was busy during ww2 he may be on leave when we need him here."

Well said Belly.
If we look at that analysis, any supposed God must be 'on leave' quite often in this world!

I agree that we should not become a neutral country.
We do not live in isolation in this world, and we must continue to have allies for both defence and trading purposes.

We have citizens from many countries living in Australia, and if we snub the rest of the world by saying we are ok on our own, we would cause unrest within our own population, let alone with the rest of the world.

Dear GM,

Our Head of State is still
the Queen of England. And surely our allegiance,
no matter what, is dictated by the interests of
the Commonwealth, and of course our strongest ally,
the US. Before we can become "neutral," we need
to become an Independent nation first.

God must be 'on leave' quite often in this world!
Belly,
Is it possible that God is just another incompetent bureaucrat ? I know a lot of bureaurcats who, like God, appear to turn a blind eye to so much wrong even though they supposedly have the power to intervene.

Indy while of subject I share, always have your view on those wasters of air.
They not all but most sit in offices seemingly without windows.
A day will come, please let it! that a government will bring true reforms and accountability to all on the government pay role.
Just trying to get the job done in 22 years of government employment was like a life sentence.
However we MUST confront the current state of the planet wars and starvation its a mess.
Maybe God is a bureaucrat?
In the end we can not ignore its our job to improve things thanks Susionline too.

It seems that you choose to talk about God and it's simple.
The Kingdom of God is within you.
It's your choice to allow him to enter or to keep him away.

I can tell you this.
It's much easier
said than done.

Look inside you might get a surprise.

' God must be 'on leave' quite often in this world! ' I suspect He is to busy laughing at the fools trying to run the planet without Him.

hi gm..you said..<<..The questions are.
What is a neutral country in the 21st century?>>

quite simply dear messenger..its a safe place to hide illgotten gains[or a front for laundering drug money]..stashing the loot many have taken..from billions of gods CHILDREN*

<<..Do we want to be a neutral country.?>>

yes and no..[see satan has changed the meaning..of words
like..spin..isnt sin..being happy and gay[work..'choices'..for working those with no other choices 'chosing',,to sign 5 year 'work comtrsacts at base or less wage[no penaltiesw=no holydays=no chopice for hundreds of thousands

are we capable of neutrality..[yet still serve god?]
what is salt..that has lost its 'taste'>[a christian without charity?]

a christian..making war>
how is the god of life..'served'..by any death?

christ NEVER concieved..the satanic lie of ANY*..'just war'

<<..As a neutral country will we hold the balance of power and if so why.>>..no..my brother..power cant be baslanced[one cannot serve two masters[satan=duty/nationalism/statehood..war..jesus=love grace mercy

<<..Are we as a nation strong enough to believe that we can manage such a position in the free world successfully?>>

no but we are isolated 'enough'
but lack the inter-dependance..within the 'common-wealth'

hrh would for example..NEED..to release her stranglehold on the armed forces[all are sworn..to serve and protect..her person/heirs and suckceasors]..ie not us our lands nor our estates.

<<..Do we believe in an honest open society..that has the ability to manage our country in this manner.>>

the dark forces..of the state..belong to satan
[this is his realm][the good new jesus revealed..is we SHALL..
ALL..be 'born again[he returned the 3 rd day]..thus refuted 'judgment day'[plus 'resurrection..]..'day..simply by returning..'that third day'

jesus is a good strong name to call on..anytime*...[BY ANYONE*}..
especially..in this satanic[sic*]..world..

satans..spin/war/hate/spite/fear realm

Yes!

It would be nice, but we cannot afford the price.

The most obvious example is Switzerland, but firstly they have better geographical protection in the form of forbidding snowy mountains and secondly, they pay the most bitter price for it - conscription, which is plainly a form of slavery.

Australia's natural resources are too tempting to steal. Protecting ourselves by ourselves is technically possible, but would require most of our resources, making us poor in every other way except having a large and mighty army. Some of us will end up literally hungry or at least malnourished as a result.

Besides the extreme financial cost, an army that is capable of defending our long coast-line, will have to be built on conscripts. Having suffered as a conscript myself, there is nothing more horrible than that.

So no thanks, let the stupid Americans provide the deterrence instead: yes it comes with a price, but not as high.

At least, let us not be involved with the rest of the world any more than the minimum required to maintain the American deterrence.

run the planet without Him.
runner,
Well, can you categorically state that God IS in charge ? If he is can you then please explain why this God tolerates so much wrong-doing ?

conscription which is plainly a form of slavery.
Yuyutsu,
Only to people with no sense of resonsibility. Decent people view it as a form of Society building & who realise that everyone has to pull their weight . At lest morally anyway.

How do u think the United States controls the situation now.

Australia's geographic location dictates that unless the United States controls Australia it cannot control the world..

Without the communication ability that Pine Gap and Exmouth Gulf provides the United States would be at a distinct disadvantage.

Explained like two bullies in a playground beating up on one person. The two bullies have the distinct advantage.

If we were neutral no military assets in our territory and took and defended a neutral position the balance of power between the United States and Asia would be neutralised.

As it stands now when the Asian continent rises to its full ability someone must control Australia to win.

United States military intelligence is working here in Australia to create fortress Australia
To protect their own agenda.
When the time comes the war will be fought in our back yard.

After the Pearl harbour debacle, the American Military machine vowed to an extent that is beyond belief, that any future war would not be in their back yard rather someone's else's.

Why do u think Bin Larden got up their nose, because he demonstrated that the. American nation could be hit it, was not impossible.

Now terrissiom is here for ever because it is an effective tool to combat the might of the American killing machine.

This debate about a neutral country may well be ahead of its time but it never the less the most important issue facing not only us but mankind of course that is only if we are selfish, weak, misled by our leaders lied to and corrupted.

Mark my words if this debate ever gains momentum it is the single greatest threat to the United States world domination that they will ever encounter.

In the long term Nobody can afford Australia to belong to anyone else but us the United States military know this and work very hard to define the relationship.

Do I think that Australia is strong enough within its own character NO. However if we don't get destroyed in the mean time that day will come.

I am aware my thoughts expressed here will offend some.
And that our author will be one of those it however is not my intention to do so.
I was born into a poor but solid Christian family, both parents from solid Christian family's.
At one stage we COE went to another Church, as it was the only one in our then tiny village.
In time I and most of my family took it a step fure ther, becoming born again totally committed Christians.
Involvement with a Church that preached forgiveness but hung its leader out to dry started most of us thinking.
All but one are no longer Christians or even believers, *that one fits the description I post here*
It seems clear to me that most of those street preachers and who put them self up as Gods mouth piece are the *VERY WORST TO PREACH*
A depth of understanding is called for here, as we drift further from belief these self appointed folk seem to push us on our way.
My Christianity was not expressed in selk glorification but honest behind the scenes help.
Behind the scenes, an apt place to view the truths, the Catholic Church is far from alone in having beasts using the Church.
With respect hoping a nonexistent God will shoulder our burden is to ignore why is our history full of evidence he would do no such thing.

' If he is can you then please explain why this God tolerates so much wrong-doing ? '

if He did not Individual, you me and every other poster would of been wiped out long ago. Moral relativist however have no logical way to define ' wrong - doing' .

Logic is not some think I look for in your posts runner.
I however offer every post on the subject of Christianity you ever wrote as evidence my views are on target.
IF my rejection of Christ was proved wrong,I have little doubt you would keep me company in that other place
Breath easy we go to the same place all go, not to heaven.
But regards and thanks for yet again letting me look in to your preserved for only some heaven.

Moral relativist however have no logical way to define ' wrong - doing' .
runner,
so, what yo're saying is we just sit back, be nice to all who want to get us under their yoke of primitive superstition & we'll all go to heaven.
Not bad. Why don't you do a trial run & go to Syria for a few years to practice your preaching there & send us an email every now & then. Ah & tell them they should just all come here because you & the likes of you can easily support them with the help of God.

Dear Individual,

<<Only to people with no sense of resonsibility. Decent people view it as a form of Society building & who realise that everyone has to pull their weight . At lest morally anyway.>>

I shouldn't wish this even on my worst enemies!
Perhaps the only way you ever understand this is when your own son, a delicate and sensitive 18 year-old boy, is forcefully snatched away from home and university and thrown into a den of sadistic wolves, in the company of ruffians where he undergoes a prolonged saga of bullying, torture and degradation, where for the first time in your life you, his father and your wife, his mother, stand helplessly and cannot save him from his ongoing misery.

Why should someone in that predicament ever want to "serve" his country - that country which supports his tormentors? When push comes to shove, when actual war erupts, wouldn't it be their sensible choice to side with the state's enemies and shoot backwards at his cruel superiors instead?

A society that allows this extreme form of cruelty, is not worth surviving. If basic freedom is being robbed anyway, then what good is to keep this society alive? Since freedom does not exist, it would be equally the same to surrender to the Chinese invaders, or perhaps to the Muslim Shariah Jihadists and convert - what would the difference be anyway?

If your society is worth preserving, then people would happily volunteer to serve it (as indeed they did in World-War-I, when even older people lied about their age in order to reach the front): are there reasons for you to suspect your society's morality that makes you too scared to put this to the test again?

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May I please remind everyone that the topic is whether or not Australia should become neutral - not about God and religion, a diversion that only started as a result of the nick-name of this thread's initiator rather than the content of his/her words.

Yuyutsu,
I don't argue that having to send young people to war is something anyone would propose lightly. Even less lightly do I take to the mentality that people should be entitled to everything others have fought for & now get villefied for it except on ANZAC Day.
Those who oppose opposing an aggressor are actually worse than the aggressor & there is no chance whatsoever for a country to become neutral when it has citizens with that mentality.
For a country to be neutral require s a differnt mentality to what is found here presently. Had this been proposed before the Goaf had a chance to ruin so much of our future there would have been a chance but not now.

The proposal is an attempt to avoid fighting the last war.
What needs to be taken into account is that the nature of war has changed.
The only enemy in sight is not a nation but a non national political
movement with armed insurgents and car bombs.
I don't think that F35s will be of much use in that war.

Becoming independent would be the quickest way possible to become subjected.

We wouldn't last a year, without big brother, with that big nuclear stick standing behind us. We have too much wealth in the ground, & too little a defense force.

Greenies don't like the idea of nuclear, but it is the only thing that has prevented a major war, for the last 60 years, & kept us free.

'I however offer every post on the subject of Christianity you ever wrote as evidence my views are on target. '

yea your loyalty to unionist Belly really define your ' logic'. I doubt you know the meaning of the word.

Read the short story on the Internet called the "Gospel According to Patrick"
The first of the 21st century gospels.

Then if you want to discuss the industry called religion I am up to it.
And I will start a new discussion about religion.

Dear individual.
Interesting comments now starting to emerge on this issue.
One of the things that I find very interesting in the 21st century is how many individuals are spending their time successfully learning new things.

That individuality changes totally when the human race gets together and gains the strength in numbers ,

War and killing is the one thing that we have learnt to do very successfully and continue to do so.

In almost all cases we go to war in the name of God and a for freedom that does not exist.

Australia has the ability to broker peace but it appears will it never be utilised because of the failure of leadership that cannot see past 3-4 years.

The political strategy of our time is to create movement of people this in turn creates prosperity. It always has and always will.

Bob Hawk recognised this and appropriated it.
It has brought economic activity and lawlessness and left him thinking he is a hero.

Our ability to be a deterrent to war is loud and clear but we do not own our country or our politics, despite what you all want to think.

The United States Military machine influences all parts of our perceived inability to secure ourselves this is a fact of life and I have had personal experience with this issue.

Yes I agree Australia is no where near mature enough to manage a neutral country but we need to have this debate and it needs to be at least on the fore front of everyone's mind, before it is too late and the killing begins.

Post WWII the so called cornerstone of Australia's defense strategy has been the ANZUS Treaty signed in 1951. The treaty, alone with post war actions on Australia's part, particularly in wars in Korea, Vietnam. Iraq and Afghanistan where Australia paid a high price in support of US interest has lead us to believe we have some kind of special relationship with the United States. We still harbor the notion that come hell or high water America will always support Australia no matter what. This notion of course in 60 odd years has never been tested, so there is no justification other than a belief that it is the case. Rather than blindly supporting Australia, America is more likely to support their own interests first and foremost. Something that could prove to be at Australia's detriment, particularly in an armed conflict.
I think today, given the environment we operate in, Asia should be our focus. Building much closer relationships with this part of the world would serve Australia's interests far more that some 60 year old consultative treaty, which at the end of the day may prove not to be worth the paper it is written on.

If God existed there would be no wars and every nation could be neutral.
Even no need for such things as "countries".
It is idiots that think they are the messenger of their imaginary friend that want us to stick our heads in the sand and ignore the rest of the world.

Runner you spit the word Unionist out like it tastes bad.
But in doing so confirm you are not Christian.
I once was and gather my rebuttal of you from walking with true Christians
Don,nt suppose you ever joined a union?
Enjoy your bile.
My saintly friend no insult meant but start your thread we once talked about this issue more than most.
If God exists he is not doing a very good job

I don't believe that Oz could ever be a neutral country, even if we wished too ? Right down through history we've had predatory nations as well as passive nations.

Because we in Oz have an abundance of raw materials, minerals and precious metals, as well as tens of thousands of square kms. of pastoral land. All the declarations of our neutrality, in the world will not matter one iota, if some powerful nation wishes to avail themselves of them, with or without our consent.

I think it was FOXY who said we must first, be truly independent. And we do really need our powerful ally, the USA to protect us from just such a scenario as described above.

OSW, as you point out the resources, and in this case, land, would be
very tempting to a desperate country such as Egypt.
Now that seems right of the planet.
However countries like Saudi Arabia, who are financially supporting
Egypt, might see an expeditionary force across the Indian Ocean to be
the cheapest option as against supporting 40 million excess Egyptians.

They could even justify it by saying that Allah commanded them to invade to save the faithful and the infidel is to be destroyed.

' But in doing so confirm you are not Christian. '

thanks Belly I am just very pleased your judgement is often wrong and God gets last say.

It is fascinating how even a simple topic on a political matter - neutrality - gets hijacked by the god-botherer fraternity.

On topic for a moment then.

There is no such concept as neutrality in today's world. If you look at it dispassionately, there never has been.

Ireland and Spain were nominally neutral in WWII, but both leaned heavily towards the Axis powers.

Spain was the more blatant of the two:

"A United Nations Security Council investigation conducted after the war found evidence that Spain had allowed German planes to operate from Spanish airfields to attack allied shipping. Spanish ports were secretly used to refuel and repair German warships. And in addition to this practical support, the state controlled Spanish media consistently broadcast a pro-Axis message."

http://www.internationalschoolhistory.net/western_europe/spain/1939-45.htm

Ireland's position was rooted in their antipathy to the British, and was also a sham, branding as deserters anyone brave enough to serve against Fascism...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2320615/Irish-soldiers-branded-deserters-leaving-neutral-army-fight-Allies-WWII-finally-pardoned.html

...and culminating in Taoiseach De Valera's signing the book of condolence for Adolf Hitler.

Switzerland ran its own version of neutrality, which was to sell its services to the highest bidder, most often Germany. Since the country held no strategic value to anyone, it was allowed to run its war as a strictly commercial venture, happily accepting, inter alia, truckloads of swastika-emblazoned gold bars (and we know where they came from, don't we), a policy that turned it into the land of smug fur-lined parasites it is today.

Australia is reasonably strategic, geographically speaking, especially our northern reaches, so could not maintain any form of neutrality for very long, whether we wished to or not. After all, Norway, Denmark, Holland and Belgium were all "neutral countries" until they were taken over by Nazi Germany.

So the point is entirely moot. But one aspect of the question still puzzles me.

>>Australia's geographic location in the world gives it the ability to become a neutral country and thus hold the balance of power.<<

What aspect of "neutrality" confers the ability to hold the balance of power? Neutrality surely implies an absence of power, rather than the opposite?

To all the theistic contributors to this forum, I often wonder, of the thousands of gods worshiped throughout history, which one they actually believe in. But then it's impossible to dispute "faith" even when there is no concrete evidence of a god.
Perhaps the Druids got closest as worshipping the Sun makes a little more sense, as it does contribute to life. Science will eventually finally disprove the existence of an Almighty as religions have adopted and adapted to discoveries over the years from the time of Galileo and then faith will be become an anachronism.

Gods Messenger, Mohamed claimed that title. So it makes me think you might be mouthing his message. A neutral Australia is an opportunity for a large nearby Muslim nation to invade and occupy.

What seems to be missing here is knowledge about what is happening around us.
The strange thing about this issue of God of the 7billion odd of humans on this planet at the greater part of them get down on their hands and knees every single day, one a week and sometimes only once a year and give thanks to God. The very next day they go down the road that kills something.

If you might recall the first commandment was THOU SHALT NOT KILL
mankind has so far left behind nothing but destruction.
Prayer is not something that can be completed successfully in your head, it must come from your heart, your soul and of course your spirit.

I will remind you once again that the Kingdom of God can only be found within you.

Using your brain does not cut it at all.

So we on earth are a bunch of murdering heathens, no ifs, no but, no maybes.

You prove me different

Snake,
A God is represented by his character as expressed in the character of Man. The character you yourself actually express in thought and action is the god in which you believe. If your god is no greater than yourself that is as big as your god. If you believe in a character more pure and powerful than yourself then have respect of that character.

' To all the theistic contributors to this forum, I often wonder, of the thousands of gods worshiped throughout history, which one they actually believe in. '

the One who is blasphemed day and night by God haters or deniers.

GM you said "I will remind you once again that the Kingdom of God can only be found within you." Are you a Nicolaite, a sect of early Christianity who held such a belief. This belief excluded the need for the Church and the Church hierarchy and was condemned as heresy and you know what happened to heretics.
It is a fact early Christianity has as many as 100 different sects all with different biblical interpretations and beliefs, some very way out. Today there are as many as 3000 such sects, some with very way out beliefs. Unlike the early ones who were generally persecuted by the mainstream church hierarchy, today's way out mob of Christians are mostly tolerated, no more burning at the stake stuff.
Belly, you can't call Runner a non christian until you find out which one of the 3000 sects he is a member of, and what they believe. Way out hateful beliefs is not in itself an exclusion from Christianity, it may not be mainstream, but its not an exclusion.

The left has long wanted to make Oz a neutered country

My experience with the spirit of God is personal and not related to the words of the past.
I know very little about this kind of history bordering on nothing.
What comes to me comes from inside not from outside.
I have certainly never read or practised any a religion but my own during my life time.
Many years ago in response to a completion in the woman's weekly magazine I wrote a short story.
The topic of the story was simple it was to be about a woman.
I sat down and wrote What came to me.
At the time the story was about Mary the mother of Jesus. What was written just emerged. Eventually as I sat back and re-read the story many times I changed its name to the Gospel According to Patrick which I have mentioned before as it seemed more appropriate to the words that were written.
As I think about the responses here I am not surprised that it has been hi hacked .
It seems that it would have been much better received if I had utilised the name the devils advocate.
I know and understand it is a strange and unusual story but it only reflects who and what I am.
If everyone has the ability to get rid of their demons and it took my nearly my whole life to do this. How I found myself getting rid of them came when my whole being was encompassed in love. No more demons peace has come to me .

The story ends with the statement
You make war in the name of God
For a principal that doesn't exist.
If I had been here 6000 years ago, 4000 years ago 2000 years ago
my spirit has returned to observe the outcome I would burn you all in hell.
The human race definitely requires a lesson in what's right or wrong.
The killing of our people and our planet is all the evidence that is needed.
There is only one God and it is inside you.

Ok, I give in.

Obviously, the subject matter (Australia as a neutral country) was after all just a storefront for the usual suspects to parade their piety.

So I'll just sit back and snipe.

Here's Gods Messenger, leading with his chin.

>>If you might recall the first commandment was THOU SHALT NOT KILL<<

No siree Bob. That was not the first commandment.

The first four commandments were all about obedience to the self-proclaimed deity, introduced with the bald assertion "I am the Lord thy God", and moving on from there. The first four instructions are designed to shore up this stance by forbidding that any attention be paid competing Supreme Beings. "You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me"

Hmmmm. Simply oozing with love, eh.

But as a go-to-market model, faultless.

So I'm afraid that "thou shalt not kill" comes in more as an afterthought, only making the charts at number six in the Septuagint. I guess that once you have established the critical look-at-me position, actually deciding what should be banned is less relevant. Which is why it struggles to complete the full ten, having to pad it out with a bunch of thou shalt not covets.

Intriguingly, in Philo of Alexandria's translation, the prohibition of adultery precedes that of murder. One can only speculate why he would regard bonking to be a greater sin than offing. Probably something to do with his early family life, who knows.

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to point all this out, Gods Messenger. If there is anything else you'd like to know about your chosen operating manual, don't be afraid to ask.

Pericles,
The Hebrew "Awon" of Exodus 20:5 "iniquity" means perversity which is a natural outcome of their behaviour of following local fertility gods such as the worship of the golden bull. Opposing gods were attributed with arousing natural sexual desires which must be followed as this was worship of that god. The loose and irresponsible sexual behaviour today has its social consequences both in the spread of disease and fractured relationships. That behaviour is perversity, or iniquity as rendered by the LXX and K.J. text. It refers to the natural outcome of such behaviour; following the Torah meant avoiding perverse natural outcomes inherent in an opposing character.

The question remains did God place boundaries on human behaviour that has hurtful consequence if not followed. If one stubs his toe on a sharp rock does it hurt?

I have a question for4 the God bothers.
Now be honest remember I once sat in the back row on Sundays mummbling along with you.
Is the Islamic God a real God?
If not why?

Re the seriousness of adultery in historic times;

Considering most marriages were arranged between families;
It could disturb the ownership & inheritance of land.

At the risk of adding to the silliness.

Bazz...

>>Re the seriousness of adultery in historic times; Considering most marriages were arranged between families; It could disturb the ownership & inheritance of land.<<

Is adultery more or less likely to "disturb the ownership & inheritance of land" than murder?

And Josephus...

>>The question remains did God place boundaries on human behaviour that has hurtful consequence if not followed. If one stubs his toe on a sharp rock does it hurt?<<

The problem with that is simply that there are so many examples of human behaviour that have hurtful consequences, not merely those that result from transgressions - perversions, if you will. I see nothing in the commandments that addresses the potential consequences of, for example, sky diving. An activity that involves not a skerrick of coveting a neighbour's ox, let alone a hint of illicit rumpy pumpy.

Yet there have been instances of significant discomfort resulting from an absence of timely parachute-opening, often more painful than a stubbed toe.

You can illustrate my point diagrammatically using a grid with four quadrant: The x axis being with/without God's approval, the y being with/without "hurtful consequences". Your focus is on the quadrant "God disapproves/hurtful consequence", but there are three other possibilities. "God disapproves/no hurtful consequences" might be one that you find fault with, I accept that. But where is the justification, in your eyes, for the quadrant "God approves/hurtful consequences", which is where my hapless sky-diver finds himself?

The basic problem with your model is that the definition of what God approves and disapproves changes over time. Fish on Fridays, Latin Mass, Holy Wars etc. go in and out of favour.

On which topic I'd appreciate a Christian perspective on climate change. Given that "hurtful consequences" are predicted, what have been the perversions/iniquities we humans have indulged in to reap such a majorly stubbed toe??

Pericles, "Only if the sheila knocks off the old bastard so she can enjoy a bit of ex marital slap and tickle with her new toy boy." Exeronmus XII verse MVIII. a loose translation from the Latin.....I think, maybe, not sure, could be, sorry... of the subject folks.

A bit clever Pericles,
Not sure if you are just pulling my leg or your serious.

Religion had nothing to do with it.
If the adultery resulted in a child, the father might claim for his
son the land of the mother's family.
Either way it doesn't take much imagination to understand how much
trouble it would cause when you see how they react to a few cartoons.

Pericles/Bazz what do you think of celibacy of the clergy within today's
Catholic Church.

Here is a brief history;

http://www.futurechurch.org/fpm/history.htm

Paul,
I think it is bloody stupid !
Note the different atmosphere in Protestant church gatherings with the
Minister and his wife present.

"On which topic I'd appreciate a Christian perspective on climate change."

What about a biblical one? In which, a case it easily made for its impossibility... unless god has become forgetful.

After the first climate change - Noah's Flood - to quote God from Genesis 9:16, ""And the rainbow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.”

17 And God said unto Noah, “This is the token of the covenant which I have established between Me and all flesh that is upon the earth.”"

However, by Revelation 16 God has forgotten to lock away His vials of wrath, "8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. 9 And men were scorched with great heat," which certainly speaks of global warming and after the seventh angel "poured out his vial into the air" we are told "20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found." which gives us sea level rise.

So I am left (like God apparently) in two minds about the question. That's moral relativism for you...

Bazz, was in NZ over Xmas for a Maori gathering of the clan and a few "Unvailings" main reason we went. No grog allowed on the Marae so Boxing Day went to town, about 30 minutes away for a beer with a few, including the local Maori Minister I think he's Methodist. Good bloke, came out everyday to conduct "church" and the ceremonies. Had a good yarn to him at the pub, works long hours, covering a very large area, does heaps for the people, both spiritually and practically, you name it, Sunny does it. He deals with the sick, the criminal, the unemployed, the young, the poor, the dysfunctional, anyone who needs his help, and there is a great need, and he is totally non judgmental. I asked how he fits it all in, hasn't had a day off in 3 months, wife not happy, want's a little holiday to see her people down south. My partner gave a koha (gift, petrol money, @ $2.20 lt its very high, seems God may provide but he doesn't fill the tank for big fella in little car) to help with his work. My partner said Sunny's always available for people, no matter what, my kind of religion.

'"On which topic I'd appreciate a Christian perspective on climate change '

WmTrevor

for a start many of the fraudsters who profit from this belief speak of climate that took place millions of years ago. Complete fantasy. They then want to be taken seriously with their models based on their 'fallacy'.

A Chrisitan perspective is also to use your brains that were given to you. IN the 1970's an ice age was promised by the climate change believers (seems like they were closer than current crop). False predictions are easily seen from the likes of Flannery and Gore who have both profited by the gw religion. many scientist have been silenced from speaking truth because funding depends on defending the faith. All thinking people whether believers or not can see this clearly.

you misrepresent God's covenant by not including Gen 9:15 where it is clearly stated that He would not wipe the planet with a flood (no mention of other means) again. The apostle Peter made it clear it would be with fire (probably nuclear).

WM Trevor runner took up the task of answering your question.
What ever runner is he is not representative of Christianity.
So his answer is invalid.
However within ten years no more such as runner will be try ing to hide the fact they ever claimed Global warming is as Abbott described, it all crap.

' However within ten years no more such as runner will be try ing to hide the fact they ever claimed Global warming is as Abbott described, it all crap. '

Now you are trying to be a prophet Belly. Give us a break. At one stage I am sure you predicted Abbott unelectable and Turnbull would lead to election. Your track record is poor when it comes to predictions.

Surely the Northern Hemisphere would have to agree the planet at the moment is heating up.

How do you figure that Josephus, already this year north America has set 5000 records for the coldest ever January day, since records have been kept.

I suppose in the next 12 months or so, our climate conmen will find some way of correcting these temperatures upward, or the past downward, just to help some with their foolish belief that CO2 controls anything other than plant growth.

Hasbeen,
Have you heard about a figure of speech called "tongue in cheek". Only Australia has global warming because it suits some to deride our hot air Tony. At the moment we have the height of a eleven year regular sun activity; "obviously caused by an increase in Carbon emissions in Australia".

Hasbeen you and I think differently.
That should be no reason we can not talk.
I true, have got to know much about you from your posts.
And would loved to have spent my life on the sea as you have in part.
I think however you fail to understand the stated and on record symptoms we have been told about climate change include the American killer cold winter they are having.
Let me be frank climate change has always taken place unaidded by humanity even before we became human.
And it may have played a role in bring us to life.
But reputable scientists say melting ice is behind the current polar winds shifting south.
THINK about the whole picture from both sides.
Man can you tell me why one said is lieing, and why?
What is so wrong about using clean energy rather than continue unchanged?
My solar installation has cut over a third from my bill and puts 1.000 KWH back in to the grid for that I get $60 others $600 but its the clean energy that floats my boat not cash.

I have watched read and listened to you scoff ........even laugh at me.
Why am I am I not surprised?

What I can say to you all very clearly is,
You had all better hope that I am wrong,

Because if I ever access the power in me
There will be a retribution.

And it will be fire.

G MG..oops gods mess-anger..is this the story you wrote?
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=607490

you rightfully SEEM UPSET ABOUT SOME OF THE REPLIES
BUT SUCH IS LIFE..[as your own words reveal]

REGARDLESS..LOOK AT THE MANY REPLIES TO THE TOPIC
AUSTRALIA..CANNOT BECOME 'NEUTRAL'

[ANYHOW..IGNORE THE GLOBAL WARMING SCAM/TROLLING]
[these linkS REFUTE THAT LIE]
then we went into GLOBAL SCAM..[WARMING COOLING/FRAUD
[NOTE THE Electro link=carbon credit/UPDATED]

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/01/07/polar-vortex-can-be-used-for-almost-any-climate-scam/
T
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRw5hA3DC_M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmPSUMBrJoI&feature=player_embedded m

http://tomatobubble.com/global_warming_hoax.html http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/LECTRO/lectro.php
http://investmentwatchblog.com/rbs-pays-600-million-for-manpulating-interest-rates-but-big-banks-are-manipulating-every-market-to-the-tune-of-trillions-of-dollars/ ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtevF4B4RtQ http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/climategate.php http://investmentwatchblog.com/the-methods-of-control-if-you-dont-understand-them-you-cant-fight-them/

care tO TALK OF THE UPSET?
Or your article?

the neutrality bubble has burst..[your call]..WHERE TO FROM HERE?]

The Gospel According to Patrick - Writing.Com
www.writing.com/main/view.../1254309-The-Gospel-According-to-Patrick
Apr 27, 2007 - 3 weeks BC Mary is about to give birth, 2000 years later her spirit returns to earth.

Thanks for the insight into your literary accomplishments, Gods Messenger.

Some friendly advice: find out what is meant by the word cliché, then try very hard to avoid using them in your writing. But, more importantly: show, don't tell.

http://www.dailywritingtips.com/show-dont-tell/

Above all, don't be discouraged. Writing is something that improves with constant exercise, coupled with a growing understanding of the world around us.

Incidentally, you truncated the URL - the full link to your work is

http://www.writing.com/main/view_item/item_id/1254309-The-Gospel-According-to-Patrick

Have a great day.

DEAR GM IM UNABLE TO FIGURE OUt THE WWW link
THIS IS You[i think]
http://www.writing.com/main/view_item/item_id/1254309-The-Gospel-According-to-Patrick

BUT THE LINK IS WHAT IT IS
HERE IS ANOTHER LINK..RE THE MOTHER OF JESUS [THE CHRIST]..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_F%C3%A1tima
YES..MAry/the mothER OF JESUS[NOT GOD]..BRIEFLY RETURNED AT FATIMA
TRYING TO HEAD OFF THE MURDER BY THE BOLCHOVICS..OF MAny of her sonS FOLLOWERS.

even jesus RETURNED BRIEFLY IN THE 60'S..to have dictated and written down the acim..[a course in miracles]
http://miraclevision.com/acim/urtext/acim-urtext-2003-upe-ready-edition.pdf

in 1996 i met with the 7 th angel..[WHO TOLD ME GOD IS ENERGY/THAT ALL LIFE LIVING And logic..is sustained via her sun..[our sun][THE SUN]..who did a pole flip..two days before new year
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=sun+pole+flip&ie

do you recall the saying of hell fire?

[that hell is surrounded by a ring of fire/...look at the fire IN THE SKY..THATS HELL...THE PASSIONS OF Hell sustain liFE ITS LIVING..but for the sun..there would be no earth.

ANYHOW GOD HAS SENT US MANY MESSANGERS
ANYHOW..YOUR POEM CAPTURED JOSEPH..mind set
as for mary/..SHE FELT..Our beloved christ move..months earlier[anD our brother..michaeL HAD INFORMED..JOSEPH..THAT IT WAS A BOY
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=mary+was+TOLD+son&

So that wasnt IN DISpute..[a messiah was expected]
even jesus thought it was to be john[AFTER all..the parents were OLd/john was coNCIEVED..AT THE RIGHT TIME..AND MOTHERD BY A VERY OLD HIGH PRIEST..ETC..NEVER THE less it was jesus

but then

recall you shall call him..emmanuel..[god within us all]

ANYhow my brother a worthy thought..but the thought of a man
[try to see the story..from josephs sidE..THATS THE BIGGER MESSAGE

ANYHOW..WELL SAID..
[GOD HAS SENT MANKIND MANY MESSENGERS COMFORTERS AND other]
welcome to the many..who open our hearts to those..beyond the veil.

keep the love
[have you read THE GOSP[IL OF thomas?..
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=GOSPEL+OF+THOMAS+JESUS+SPAKE&

this reveals jesus spake as a babe..defending his mother..after ill words were GIVEN..when she prESENTED HIM..GAVE HIM TO THE WORLD.

ANYHOW..I SEE AND WELCOME A FELLOW MESSENGER
WE are only asked to release aLL EGO AND AngeR..AS OUR BELOVED christ said..LOVE GOD BY LOVING OTHER..[ALL OTHER]..ALL LIVING COMES FROM GOD

BetweeN PERICULES AND I HE Would be the better messenger[bUT HE..I THINK..DONT GO for that sort oF THING]..but has A GREAT HEART AS WELL AS A SOUND MIND/plus the word skills..BUT BACK TO TOPIC.

FOR AUSTRALIA TO 'BECOME NEUTRAL ..IS IMPOSABLE[BECAUSE ITS ESSENTIALLY A DEAD FICTION/CREATED..BY AUTHOR's..TO IMPLY AUTHORITY

its explained here quite effectively
http://constitution.org/c5/

from the link

<<..Don't despair

Keep in mind..that legal practices everywhere..are corrupt and incompetent..in various ways..and to varying degrees,..and always have been,..but it makes a difference..in what ways/and to what degree,..and it requires a continual*struggle..by good people to reduce corruption..and incompetence..[to the extent/that can be done.RECALL..WHO'S..REALM/THIS is.]

The legal-system..is imperfect,..but violence..is likely to/be worse, so it..is usually better..to give the legal system..*a chance to work before*..resorting to other alternatives,..although for some issues you will*need..to go directly/to the electoral process.[but/KARMA..ONLY..RE-BALANCES].

We urge you..to regularly devote/some part of your time..and resources..to trying to get..the legal system to produce/just outcomes,..not only for yourself..but for everyone else,..but..also to be prepared..to resort to extrajudicial methods,..such as educating..and organizing/the public,..lobbying,..and working to elect constitutionalists.

ANYHOW WELL DONE..FOR THE TOPIC..DEAR BROTHER*
JESUS WILL BE PLEASED..WITH YOUr..works and your words

the uni-veRSE BELONGS TO..ITS LIVING Loving creator..[the holy-spirit]
OUR GOD =THE SUN..BUt see the heavens is full of sun..ONE DAY EACH sun of the father ..will have/theIR OWN..'LET THERE BE LIGHT' MOMENT..JUST LIKE ANA HAS..[Alpha/negative=alpha]

REGARDLESS..OF what we say think or do..where live is there is god
where love is there is god/where truth is there is god..wheRE CHARITY GRACE MERCY IS..THERE IS GOD..[whether called or chosen..we will know them BY THEIR WORKS..NOT..WORDS]onE GOOD DEED OUTWEIGHS A life time of good works]

that wE..DO [did]..to the least..we did to him

WELL MAY WE SAY...AHHHH MEN*
its not ouR SMALLNESS WE FEAR..BUT THE GREATNESS..[SUSTAINING US=all..OUR LIVES livings..from..WITHIN]..us all..[big or SMALL GOD ALONE LOVES US ALL..]WE NEED TO CHOSE SIMPLY TO SERVE LOve/life logic/LIVING [light..orCHOSE to serve darknESS DEATH WAR [MANS LAW..]

but mans law..declared war on me/my..people
[im only ONE..undeR GODS LAWS]

we are many..gods laws..are few/but his laws are true
[unless adulterated..into mans..statuted/personhood/laws]

correction..[FORGIVE MY CLAY fingers]

onE GOOD DEED*..DONE..FOR OTHER
OUTWEIGHS A life time of good words..

thAT..WERNT TAlking to everyone
[whO IS NOT A CHILD OF THE FATHER..[WHO NOT SUSTAINED THEIR LIFE OF god?..grace/MERCY..alone?]

MY MEssenger brother..dont loose heart[ITS ALWAYS DARKEST BEFORE THE DAWN...GOD HAS SENT US A..COMFORTER..HIS NAME IS ALEX JONES

http://rss.infowars.com/20140110_Fri_Alex.mp3

HE HAS PUT FORWARDS..THE PLAN..IN TODAYS SHOW
its about GETTING RID OF LAWYERS IN GOVT MAKING LAWS FOR LAWYER JUDGES

govt needs REALLY be BY THE PEOPLE[liviNG]
FOR THE LIVING/CURRENTLY IS THE DEAD FICTIONS SERVING THE DEAD/corperate person/HOODS..BY THE TRUSTEES OF THe created trusts/states etc

that..created under the act..thus judged..to be only under the act..[govt acts create dead fictions..called 'persons']..

BUT THE LIVING LIVE ONLY UNDEr god alone.
but the dead [banks]think bailouts of TOO BIG TO FAIL/corperatioNS..
ARE dead..created only under govt act..thats the legal person-hood[dead personum fiction]

pericules could say it much better
BUT THIS way..freewill remains sacrosanct.

Thank you for your comments
You are all invited to contribute.

The law as suggested only suits those who write it mostly on behalf of others.

As these people get more qualified and more experienced in life legislation is becoming covert in its essence .

I am and do stand against this type of issue but it's very difficult in a society that creates corruption at a high level as the norm.

Now that I have established lets say my credentials I would like us to go back to the subject of the post.

It might be said that Australia is the land of the future and is referred to in my story.

at this time we have a chance to both influenza and change the future but we have to stand together.

When our Government takes an action that is in effect takes us to the killing fields of war it is done in the name of each and everyone of us and the problem is we just sit back and let it happen.

Therefore we are all guilty of murder and killing.

I know what I want and that is for government and public servants to be held accountable for their actions. After all we as a people supposed to look up to them.

But we all know that's impossible.
One person in Australia can make the decision to go to war.
One person.
This should not be allowed to continue.

Ummmm, so who is that exactly, God's Messenger?

>>One person in Australia can make the decision to go to war.
One person.<<

Please, let it not be Andrew Bolt...

If you do your homework you will find its our
Prime Minister.

Even a democracy can elect a stupid leader.

Something that we have just experienced.

You are only right in theory, Gods Messenger.

>>If you do your homework you will find its our Prime Minister<<

But a Prime Minister who commits the country to war without the support of Cabinet will not last out the day - there will be a spill that same afternoon, and a new Prime Minister will advise the Governor General accordingly.

So, Cabinet must be part of the decision, out here in the real world.

>>If you do your homework you will find its our
Prime Minister.<<

Well, sort of. The nominal head of our armed services is the Governor General but they don't wield any real power. The heads of staff of the three separate forces are answerable to the Minister of Defence. In theory a defence Minister could go behind their parliamentary leader's back and instruct them contrary to the wishes of the PM. They'd be demoted to the back benches or booted out completely if they tried it but it is possible in theory.

But as Pericles so astutely pointed out a Cabinet so divided on the issue of war will be a very short-lived Cabinet. Politicians are ultimately answerable to the people and they know it.

Cheers,

Tony

yet another very FUNNY JOKER..KILL PROTESTERS*

Future Sheriff Says Protesters Should be Exterminated in “Gas Chambers”
http://www.infowars.com/future-sheriff-says-protesters-should-be-exterminated-in-gas-chambers/

A trainee Sheriff posted a threatening Facebook message aimed at Cop Block, an organization which advocates filming police officers, in which the soon to be cop said that protesters should be exterminated in “gas chambers” and that he would beat them up “just for the sheer joy of it.”

"While its rare that we receive direct death treats, they must be taken seriously, especially when they come from someone with military training and is about to become a Law enforcement agent / Sheriff," states a post on the official CopBlock Facebook page.

The threats were made by Darren Redding, a former U.S. Marine and a current cadet in training with the Washoe County Sheriff’s Department. His Facebook page, which is currently being deluged with angry responses, can be seen here.

https://www.facebook.com/darren.redding.58?ref=nf

ALEX..TALKS OF IT ON His show todaY
http://xml.nfowars.net/Alex.rss
i will be talking of it in coURT..TODAY
http://www.constitution.org/writ/quo_warranto.htm
http://www.constitution.org/duepr/standing/standing.htm

Well, sort of. The nominal head of our armed services is the Governor General but they don't wield any real power.
Tony, someone said that about John Kerr and look what happen then.

To all who may read this.
First on the issue of a neutral country and for the war mongers amongst you.
If Australia is ever convinced to go to war again. It should be because of a referendum of the people.
However we all know the political leaders will not allow that to happen because it takes the power away from them.
It saddens me deeply to find that within Australia there is a systematic gathering of information that is gathered for one purpose only and that is to suppress our individual rights.
I do not like to say this but it seems to be very similar to the Gestapo tactics adopted by Adolfo Hitler.
It will bring our world to its knees as the real battle for our rights as human beings begins.

At this point in time democracy is nothing more than a licence to dictate the terms .

You might say how do i know this. Apart from my direct experience,

if the so called authority is not going down this road they are not doing their job properly.

On the note of religion and Goddsmessenger please visit www.whenthesoulawakens.org as it describes my journey totally.

Again I say to all you had best hope that I cannot harness what is inside me.

mess-anger?..FROM GODS Messenger?

<<..Again I say to all
you had best hope that I cannot harness what is inside me.>>

BE CAREFULL..MY BROTHER..ANGER COMES..not from god
anger comes from demons..who REJoyce..turning good men...bad

GOD is love/logic/light sustaining life
if its not love..if its not grace/mercy..if ITS not for*..living
then its for dead[let the dead tend the dead

[no death serves the lifE giver*]
god alone..seeS THE fruits..and these fruits are only revealed fully/BY DOING..the good loving truth*full/mercy*full/use*full..as we saw our lORD SAVIOUR JESUS DO*

GO AND BE THE HEALER..and the christ walks with you
to think evil..BRIngs evil...

[jesus rejoices when we reject satans ways..[thEY..ARE SURE DEATH]
LET THE DEAD TEND THE DEAd...your mission is for THE LIVING.

I hereby formally invoke Godwin's Law.

>>I do not like to say this but it seems to be very similar to the Gestapo tactics adopted by Adolfo Hitler.<<

Even though it seems to refer to his Italian cousin, I reckon it's close enough.

"There is only one God and it is inside you."

Thanks for the ego boost... it even makes sense in that I am the centre of my universe, but it raises the question that if the one God is inside me what is it that is inside you to threaten:

"Because if I ever access the power in me There will be a retribution. And it will be fire...

Again I say to all you had best hope that I cannot harness what is inside me."

Personally, I hope for the opposite and that you can keep it harnessed... mostly for your own sake, but also for 'Josephine and her enduring patience.'

GM/quote..<<..At this point in time democracy is nothing more than a licence to dictate the terms .>>

it always was the WAY...for THE elite..
who own AND CONTROL..THE 90%..VIA shortages..inflAtion..wars/LAWS..chores.

its a great 'system'..providing we get truth and fact..from the media
but rubbish in/rubbisH OUT*..
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6

here lies the root of the problem..recall in daniel.Mathew/MARK..ETC
the stars of media and sharon must fall..[WELL SHARON HAS PASSED OVER..[GET IT*]

http://hypertextbook.com/eworld/geocentric.shtml

It seems right now that I owe you an apology and you are right about the devil.
Now I will be able to eat him for breakfast.
Please accept my apology.

Amongst many things and For more than 30 years I have know my spirit as the chameleon.

And never understood it until now.

This spirit of the chameleon seems unusual because it give me the ability to change Into to what I want to.
With what I have learnt in the past week I must expel the anger and hatred that has been allowed to manifest itself in me and replace it with love.

In other words I have to do what I can or have to do with love as the motivation.

As I am discovering right here right now, I cannot see that it will be difficult to achieve as It seems that they are one and the same.

The only thing I don't know for sure is wether I will live long enough to finish the transition and/or
What I may or may not, turn into.

The One thing that appears in front of me now is that I am very acceptable to change I can see feel my life changing in front of me.

<<..The only..thing I don't know..for sure/is wether..I will..live long enough..to finish..the transition..and/or..What I may..or may not,..turn into.>>

gm..we have eternity..[we are*eternal_spirit's]..
having a../material/mortal..lifE EXPERIENCE..

we OF THE eternal..shall..by this..'lifE'.. know
THE concept..OF DEATH/DEAD...[finality/OF..beginnings/endings]..when the truth..is non-ending

we..the mortal/living..each won..the lottery..just TO/GET HERE..
recall thyne father/..wHO GAVE LIFE..TO THYNE MOTHERS EGG..That created you..came from millions..of sperm..your one/in..a million.

THEN..it takes combined EFFORT..[OF TWELVE/SPERM]..to stretch..the egg mem-brain..of thy mothers egg..THAT THE 13 th sperm..[YOU]..gain entrance..[into..these material realms.]

we are envied..by oUR BROTHER/sister SPIRITS..for just our
'gift'..of this..'life'*experience...[by it..we knoW..for sure/the falsity..of mortal concepts]..BEcause..by our life[this LIFE],..we lived it...

REALLY..BELIEVED,..IT..[NOW]..THEN.

our names.are writ large..in the BOOK/of life..[many were called..but few..[us/all]..were chosen..[WE WERE*CHOSEN..specifically..to judge..the fallen angels..[tO WHOM/SOME SAY..tOO MUCH..WAS GIVEN]..

WE..MORTALS/LIVING..SIMPLY judge the angels..[unawares..[by how we lived..our life...OUR LIFES..MORAL CHOICES]

I DECIDED..I WOULD NO longer..judge..[the fallen]..angels
by rejecting..THE sad part..of reality..[evil/VILE/VEIL/LIVE]..

I CHOSE GOD..TO SERVE..ONLY The good.

[gods ever/attentive LOVE..grace/mercy/forgiveness etc..makes us dependent..[SERVED]..[WHEN GOD..SEEKS US TO BECOME AS LIKE GOD]S...servers.[we ARE..our BROTHERS/HELPER.]

WHAT THEN..IS OUR ADVANTAGE?/./
why..this LIFE-test..of..ortal/material/life/incaRNATION..[in time the soNS..of the light/the sons of good/god..become suns..of the [DE-]light/JOY[EN-JOY]

[we each..SHALL..have our own
let there be..light moment[and..a new star..is born..IN GODS INFINite heavens..[real suns..sustaining infinite earths]

[yes you/we/all..may/shall
become..as our father/SUN..[ANA/alpha/negative alpha]

[ALL LIFe begot..on earth/by..ejaculation..of matter..from our/father sun/FORMING..earth/mother.]

CLUSTERS..OF stars..[SUNS]..[LIKE THE MILKY-WAy]..
ARE of those off the same messenger..CREED/RELIGION/belief..EVEN DISBELIEF]..THAT CLUSTER/TOGETHER for enjoined communions..see we each..ARE..IN PART..from heaven..plus IN OTHER Equal passion..of hell

[think/like satan..on..one shoulder[and]..an angel..on the other..[our life's/choices reveal..to WHICH HEAVENLY/HELL..society.. we shall return..YOU COME..OF THE MESSENGER Tribes[REBIRTH ED]......for this/is the time..of the many...called..

but recall..we are many.

just as..'they'..are many
yet god..is MANY..ONLY in..the holy living spirit=is THE WHOLLY SPIRIT one.

anyhow presently..your a sON..OF THE SUN
ITS UP TO YOU..whether you radiate..the FATHERS life.LIGHT/LOVE/LOGIC/ forces..or hide..in the darkness[but]..recall..the tiniest glimmer..of light..dispels the blackest night.

its always darkest..before the dawn
[befORE DAWN..A BLACK/THREAD..AND A WHITE-THREAD//both..look gray

dawn is said to break..when..A BLACK THREAD
AND*..A WHITE THREAD..LOOSE their shade of grey.

[GREY..IS LIKE SALT..THAT..has lost..its passion/IDENTity/TASTE

we..of the light..need..but/try..to..do our good/LOVE/GRACE/MERCY..
with more passION..than those OF THE DARKNESS..love doing their vile*

wHY NEURALITY..IS IMPOSSABLE
gOVT is WATCHING..WE KNOW THIS
YEt we are attacked constantly..by virus/malware..etc
[thats another act of war...much like the druG WAR..taxation..ETC]

NO ONE CAN HOLD NEUTRALITY..while anyone,,[everyone]..is open to attack/blackmail/SILENCED..ETC....WHAT ARE THE Watchers watching for
[commercial advantage/CASH flow...info..or just how much they ARE IN CON-troll

There are a billion PCs in use around the world. If Cryptolocker infects just 10% of those, that is 100 million victims times $300 each, or $30 billion!

And the NSA, which supposedly watches all of our computer traffic, so far can't do a thing about it. If Cryptolocker isn't a clear case of cyber-terrorism, I don't know what is.

http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2013/10/12/destructive-malware-cryptolocker-on-the-loose/ NEVER OPEN ATTACHMENTS FROM PEOPLE YOU DO NOT KNOW, and even if you know them, take a moment to examine the email to see if it looks like it comes from them. My wife has been getting emails from my uncle, except that he NEVER emails her and the emails are a scam.

Meanwhile, the NSA, which supposedly watches all of our computer traffic, so far can't do a thing about it. If Cryptolocker isn't a clear case of cyber-terrorism, I don't know what is. Did NSA spend all those taxpayer billions just to have the world's largest collection of porn, to play World of Warcraft all day long, or mine bitcoins? Is the NSA itself running Cryptolocker as a last-ditch attempt to keep the Federal Government funded as it edges close to collapse, and is that the reason they won't do anything about Cryptolocker (or the epidemic of retail credit card system break-ins)? That would certainly explain why all the companies that sell you computer security products have so far ignored Cryptolocker, just as they ignore other government malware!

Or Cryptolocker may be Israeli, which means "hands off" inside the US Government.

But I can tell you one thing. All we need to do is find just one of these cyber-terrorists and crucify him or her on live TV for the entire week it will take them to die, and the computer crime problem will go away.

Neutrality on the Swiss model; every fit man a soldier and every man armed, and as we are an equal opportunity country every able woman as well.

If you control the communication value of Australia you will control the world.

It is that simple.

Why the sudden silence.

The silence is louder than all the word you could muster.

It seems that I am amongst professional men who task is to control and influence debate.
This can only be support by US Military Intelligence in fact designed by them

Far from surprising as the US begins it fight for survival.

We have the balance of power within our reach here in Australia but you are not going to let it happen without a fight.