Bazz, get it right its $8.8b to the Reserve Bank, who ever knows what for, I don't think Abbott or Hockey know why, thought it was a good idea at the time. And if you were to ask that Arnie Schwarzenegger of a Finance Minister he wouldn't have a clue either. The facts come from the SMH 18/12/2013 page 11, not the sort of stuff you'll find in the Piers Akerman column in Murdochs fish wrapper is it.

Taken from my link on Bob Brown - not everyone
agrees with those who prefer their narrow-vision
news from the colon of the Murdoch Press tabloids.
Others make comments like:

"The Murdoch press notwithstanding, perhaps enough
people will be persuaded by the next election to vote
this incompetent bunch of conservative lawyers out.
In 45 years as an Australian voter, I judge them to
be the worst government in my experience."

And others - write sentiments like - "Great article Bob..."
And so on.

Albert Einstein said it so well - "The measure of
intelligence is the ability to change."
Fat chance with some - and that's allright. It's
when they're running our country that it becomes
a worry.

So, Foxy, lets cut straight to the chase, why don't you and Bob Brown ever put YOUR money where your mouth is? Why is it always the taxpayer who is obliged to bear the burden of your 'do-gooding' (many would dispute that it is 'do-gooding')?

You both favour 'open door' immigration for instance, so what prevents you and the very comfortably well-off (thanks to taxpayers!) Bob Brown from taking some of those buff young men who arrive as economic migrants into your home? Heck, the guvvy will even pay you handsomely to do it, taking millions of taxpayers' dollars to do so. Money that could have been spent on priorities like hospitals.

Another thing, why should taxpayers have to support Mr Brown while he is engaging in what many might consider to be terrorism, or at least illegal interference to shipping on the high seas? There are legal ways to protest. Why put lives and vessels at risk at sea?

otb,

Here we go again.
This is fun!

What do-gooding are you specifically talking about?

Working for a living all of my life, raising a
family while holding down a full-time job, and
completing tertiary qualifications, or looking after
elderly parents, grandchildren, and so on.

Perhaps you're referring to a firm believe in social equity,
compassionm, and an egalitarian society. Well, guess
what, it may come as a surprise to you but that's
been an integral part of politics in this country
since way back when for so many of us.

As for accusing me of having an open-door policy on immigration.
Surely, not that old chestnut.
You keep resurrecting it. Come up with something new
just once. Surprise me.

You really
shouldn't accuse people of things that are simply not
true. Wishful thinking on your part - attributing
things to people that you think they should support -
that's a typical strategy of one-eyed people,
when people don't fit into the pigeon-hole they have
prescribed for them. Surely you can do better than that.

The same goes for suggesting that I invite asylum-seekers
into my home. Totally illlogical. And,
grabbing at straws once again.

But keep trying to stir.
I'm actually beginning to look forward to your next
attempt - just don't cross the line or I'll ignore
you.

Is there just a chance we can talk about the views expressed here by some.
And in truth the views they throw around in any thread about politics?
See no man should pretend he knows another,s mind, and to do so, then insult the person of interest for those invented views, is not productive.
I am not a Socialist, it never works, in any country.
Fabian? a ratbag conspiracy that has no grip on me or Labor.
We, yes even Liberals and yes Nationals support a part of Socialism, in Education Health and Social welfare.
But not unlike any thinking voter I want to preserve all that.
And think FIRMLY constant review and waste watch is needed and that we should support only those in need.
So far my stance puts me not all that far from 1960,s Liberalism.
There is a reason for that *Paul 1405 will shout with joy at it *
We took the Liberals position as they moved further right.
We just followed the voters, change in wants and wishes, and saw the new reality's of life in a world intent on being a Global trading one.
We saw here and will see again, my truly held thoughts about why Abbott,s cabinet and the bloke himself has failed to bring voters with him.
GY has said we under estimated him, I think many ignored who he was and intent on dumping Labor [we had that coming] would have voted for even Pyne.
Polling is neutral, not Fabian not lefty rubbish it is a mirror that tells us what the Nation thinks of the one standing in front of it, that one is the Abbott government.
It is wiser to ask why than just say it is not true

Foxy,

OK, since you claim to be 'misrepresented' on the economic arrivals via the always expensive, sometimes risky, tourism arranged by people smuggling gangs, what about you state what you would do to put people smugglers out of business? Dot points are fine.

How exactly is your policy any different to the Greens and if so, where specifically? None of the rhetorical tricks, your policy please.

Meanwhile all who have read your previous posts on the subject can consider if in fact you have supported an open door immigration policy or not.