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how to suceed succesion ..?..[lamb-island]

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extracted/from
http://www.earlymoderntexts.com/pdfbits/htaste.pdf

*become..hesitant/in this contest..of sentiment..context
to claim positively..that they alone..are/right.

[In Hume’s/day a..‘sentiment’..could be..felt..as-a feeling,
or expressed..as/an opinion,..or..revealed..by..an attitude.]

In this essay..the word..nearly always means...feeling’,
inspiration/in-fluence..or possession..but..‘sentiment’..will
be-left untouched...throughout]..[this seems..because..sentiment..is the intimate..impulse..[inner]..of the outer/as expressed..by our-freewill

This variety/of..•taste,[preferences/expressed/including those repressed]..which is obvious...at/but..a casual glance,..

[that]..turns out on examination..to/be..even •greater
in reality..than/in appearance...Men often differ..about
beauty and ugliness..of all kinds,..even when they talk in
the same way..[cultural..of what/kinds of things..are beautiful..and what kinds..of expressions..are ugly.

Every/'language..contains some words..*that imply blame,
others/that imply praise;..yet others..our inner feelings loves/hate/bias..em[rem]-motions]..and all..those who/use..that language/must agree..in how they..shall/apply them.

All the voices are/united..in applauding elegance,propriety, simplicity,the essence/or spirit..in writing;..and in blaming pomposity,/affectation,/coldness/and spurious glitter.[misscreations]

But..when critics..get down/to particular-details,..this
seeming unanimity..*vanishes..and they/we..turn-out..to have given very different..personalized/-or-\rationalized/meanings*..to their words...[as afflicted..by our works/and life experiences.

In all-matters..of..THEORY..•opinion.and..abstract-knowledge
it’s..the other/way around:..there/the..differences..among men
are..more*..often found..at the/level..of...the more-generalized proposition..*than in particular details,..and/really..to be •less than/they appeared..to be...prior/the revelation..wrought by flow..into expression[theory..as..juxtaposed..by/practice]

An explanation..of..the words/contextualized/meaning..usually ends the controversy,,,and the disputants..are surprised to learn that basically..that..*they agreed..in their/judgment..all the time when they were quarrelling.

·AN ASIDE..ON MORAL DIFFERENCES·

Those who base morality..on sentiment..more than on
reason..are inclined/to..apply the former observation..[about
differences/of taste/standard..or measure)..also into ethics, maintaining..that in all/questions.;.concerning conduct and life-styles..men really differ/more than they appear..to.

at first sight...It is indeed..obvious/that writers..of
all nations..and all-ages..of all sexes/races/status..agree in *applauding..justice,/humanity,/magnanimity,/prudence,/truthfulness,
grace/love/mercy..compassion/empathy..and..in*.blaming the opposite qualities.

Even poets and other
authors—whose works mainly
aim-to please..the imagination
are nevertheless..found to instill..the same moral_precepts
and to applaud/blame the same..virtues/vices...

This great unanimity is..usually credited to/the..influence of plain reason,..which in all these..cases maintains..similar sentiments..in all men,[but let woman..speak..for thyself.

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6079&page=0
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 30 October 2013 8:54:47 AM
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A thousand/men..may have..a thousand/different-opinions
about the..same..one-thing;..but..just exactly..one of/the.opinions is true,..and..the only difficulty..is to find-out..which one..that is.

As against/that,..a thousand_different/sentiments..aroused
by/some-one/object a..re all right,..because..no..singular..sentiment remains..which..represents/..what..is/really..the true-use..of..the object,..and so..no_sentiment..runs..*any..more..nor less..risk..of being..proved-false·.

A sentiment..does mark..a certain..conformity/relation
between..the object..and.the organs..[body]..or.faculties of/the mind;..but..there is..thus..no chance/of..error there,..because·..*if that/conformity..didn’t exist..the sentiment..accorded..its being..wouldn’t exist/either.

Beauty..is/not..a quality..*in things/themselves;..it..exists
merely/in..the mind..that contemplates..them/favorably..and
each_mind/perceives...a different..quantum[measure]..for..*beauty.

One person..may/even..perceive..*ugliness
where someone-else..senses.•beauty;..and every
individual..ought to/go..along with..*his own sentiment,
without/trying to..regulate..those of/others.

To look/for..what is really-beautiful..or..percieved,.as..really
ugly..is as pointless..as trying/to settle..what/is really..sweet[good/true]..and..what-is..really bitter...[faulse/hurtful/fearful.

A single/object may-be..perceived..both sweet..(to s/omeone·)
and bitter.(·to someone else·),..depending/on..the condition
of their..taste-buds;[senses]..and the/proverb..rightly/declares..that it/is pointless..to..even..dispute about
tastes.

It is/very natural,..and even/quite necessary,..to extend
this axiom..to..•mental taste/[spirit-sense]..as well..as..•bodily taste—[material-bias..·i.e. to/taste..as expressed..in..•‘That’s wonderful painting’..as-well..as/in.•‘That seems..to/have..vinegar in it’·.

Common_sense..is/often..at variance/with philosophy,-especially
with..sceptical/philosophy;.but..here/is..one case,..at least,
where..the two..come/to..the same conclusion.

But..though/this axiom,..*by turning..into/parable..into..a
pro-verb,..seems/to have..gained the..support.of common-sense,
there is/certainly..a kind..of common-sense/logic..that opposes it, or at/least..serves to modify..and/or..restrain it.

[We/are about-to..meet
*the word..‘genius’...In Hume’s usage..
and..at.*his time...the word/meant..something stronger..than mere ‘skill-full/will-full..talent’..but..usually..[weaker..less/than ‘genius’..in our..present-day sense.;]

In..*that context..the principle..of/the
natural-equality..*of·all·*..tastes..is totally forgotten;
we/admit it..on some occasions,..where the objects..seem nearly/equal,
but..it seems/like..an extravagant/paradox—or..rather..an obvious absurdity—when..it is applied to..*objects..that are/so..dis-proportioned...to one..an-other.

[In this/paragraph,..‘composition’..covers..the
composing.of music,..the/writing..of poetry..or..of..fine prose, painting,..sculpting,..and so on.]..*Obviously,none..of/the..•rules of/composition..are fixed..by apriori-reasoning;..they..thus..can’t be regarded..as abstract/conclusions..

that/the..understanding..was..arrived/at..by studying the/relations...between..opposing-ideas..that..are eternal..and unchanging...and those..temporal/material/spatial.[space-time/warped]

They/are..based_on/the..same thing..that all/the practical
sciences..are based..on—experience...All they are..is general
observations..about what/has..been found—universally,..in all
countries..and at all-times—to be..pleasing.

Many of/the beauties..of..culture..and..manner..even/of..eloquence are..based on..material-perceptibility..and..other/falsehood..and
fiction,..or based-on..exaggerations,/bias/metaphors,..and bending words/away-from..their..traditional/natural meanings.

To check..the imagination’s-outbursts,..and so..reduce every expression..to geometrical truth..and exactness,.would be utterly contrary/to..the •laws of-criticism;..because..it/would produce..a work[·of a kind·]..that/universal-experience..has shown to/be..the most insipid..and..disagreeable.

But..though poetry..can never*..submit to/exact
truth,..it..must be..confined..by..the rules/of art..that are revealed..by..perception..and emotive projection..[as opposed to..introspection]
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 30 October 2013 1:44:20 PM
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http://www.gurdjieff.am/in-search/index.pdf

What..is war?
It..is/the result..of planetary-influences.
[pre-destined..accelerated/learning-events..scripted-logical progression..
from..the past..unknown/but\knowable..into the future..via the now..[known]]

Somewhere..up-there;two..or three planets..[wives/aunts planetary essences]..have approached..too near..to each other;..thus..tension results.

Have you/noticed how,..if a man passes..quite close/to you
even..on an..unlimited..pavement,..you become..all tense?

The same tension..takes place..between planets.[spheres/of in-fluence]..For them..it..[the causal-event]..lasts,..perhaps,..a second or two...But/here,.,on the/earth,..people begin to..slaughter one another,..and..they go-on..slaughtering..maybe for..several years.

It seems..to them..at the time..that*they hate..one another; or perhaps..that*they..have to..slaughter..each other..for/some exalted purpose;..or..that they*must defend..somebody..or something..and/or..that it/is..a very-noble/thing..to do..

or something/else of..the same
illusory/self-justifiable...kind...of..materialist/reasoning.

They..fail/to..realize to/what..an extent..we/all..are/mere pawns
in/the game...They think..the/event..signifies something;..
they think..they/can move..about..think/act..as..they like;..they think/..they..can decide..to do/this..or that.

But..in reality..all/their movements,..all..their
actions,..all-thoughts/words/works..are the/result..of planetary//[external]..influences...And.that/they*..them-selves..signify..literally nothing.

Then..the moon..[timing]..plays..a big part..in this.
But..we will/speak about..the moon.separately..Only..it must be understood..that..neither/Emperor..,nor/generals,..nor/ministers,..nor/parliaments,..really..signify..anything..or can/do..anything.

Everything..that happens/on-a..big scale
is..governed..from outside,..and governed..either
by accidental..combination's/of..influences or..by general cosmically consistent-laws."

can..a man/who..does not/know..himself
promise..to keep..even..a secret?

Of course..he can promise..to/try..do so,..but can/he keep his promise?..[and why?]..For he..is not..just..one,..there are many different people..in that,,he calls..him-self.

One..in/him promises,..and..really-believes
that..*he wants*..to keep..the secret.

But..tomorrow/another..in him..[the husband,,in-him]
shall/will..to..tell..it to his wife,..or/to a friend..over a bottle of wine,..or a clever man..may question him..in/such a way..that he himself/will not..notice that..he/is letting..out..everything.

Finally,..he may/be hypnotized,..or he/may..become..fearful unexpectedly..and..frightened,..and..he will/do..anything
regardless..of what/..you..want..or would like.

What sort/of..obligations..can/he take..upon himself?
No,..with such..a mind..we will/not..talk..seriously.

To/be..able to..keep a..secret..a man/must-know..himself
and..he must/be..of himself sufficient..And..a man..such/as..all men are..is very/far..from this.

"Sometimes..we make/temporary-conditions..with people/as..a test. Usually..they are broken/very-soon..but..we never/give..any serious secret..to/a man..we don't trust..so-it..does not/matter..much.

I mean/it..matters..nothing to/us..although..it certainly
breaks/our..connection..with this man..and he loses-his chance
to learn/anything from us*..if there/is..anything to learn/from us.

all..the/same,..you know,..the most..important-thing..is facts,"
I said..."If/I..could see..genuine/and..real facts..of a new..and unknown-character,..only they/would..finally convince-me/that..I am on..the right way."

yet..how..can..a being..know
beyond what..it can/be capable..of knowing
[only be hearing..the tangent..of his questions]
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 30 October 2013 4:39:19 PM
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clearly..understand..what I..mean by..'philosophy,'..
'theory,'..and..'practice.'..These/words..must/be-understood
in..a different/way,..not/in..the way/they..are usually understood.

"But..speaking/of schools,..there-are..only
specialist/schools;..there/are..no_general-schools.[thus..only limited/specialized..schools..of..limited/application[specialist/experts]/serving..THER/own-philosophy..THEIR..own-theory..THEIR..own/special rites/rituals/customs..their OWNED* practice

Every teacher,..or guru,..is a/specialist..limited expertize..in some..*one thing.One*..is/an astronomer,..another/a..sculptor,..a third..is/a MASTER*-musician.

And..*all the pupils..*of each*-teacher..*must-first/of all
study..the subject..in which/he..has specialized,..then/after, another..even..more narrow/*specialized_field/subject,..and so on.

It would/take..a thousand-years to..study everything."of just/one..specialist..areas/evolution..from darkness..to..too*..special[to relate..back..into/generalities

or more concisely..thousands of years..of specialization..in christ has fractured..the collective-body of christ..into thousands/of sects..[each/with..their own-sacred/texts/rituals/saints/
messages/teachings..experts/scribes/translators..etc

[specializing/rightfully..JUST-lyll..*in the revealing..
of/their prophets/words-meaning..in..its greater context

quintillion's..of man-hours][even..billions/of..collective..man-years..of evolving..finding/exploring..classifying/verifying.. specific_proofs][into..relative..conditional-truths]

humanity,.or/more correctly,..organic_life..on earth,..is acted upon simultaneously..by influences/proceeding from..various sources..

and..*different-specialist/worlds:..UNDER..the
influences..from/the planets,the peers..and false/god-heads
seasons/evolutions/revolutions//births..and..even..in-fluences
from the moon,..in-fluences..from/the-sun,..influences/from-the...stars.

All these..influences/act simultaneously;..one/influence
predominates..at one moment..in/space..yet might reverberate..through-out time..and another..influence/at..yet..another moment.

And..for man/kind..there is/..a..certain*possibility..of making
a choice/of influences;..in other words,..specializations..of passing from..one..special-influence..to influence...yet..another.

"To explain..how,..At/this..moment/I-want..you...to
understand..one thing:*..it is impossible..to become..free
from..ANY*-one/influence..*without..becoming/subject..to another.

The whole/thing,..means..all work-on/oneself,..consists
in choosing..which..of..the influence...do which/you wish-to..
subject yourself..into..then..how special-ised..seek you to..become*

and..by..actually/falling_under..this/influence...what-is/the end game..success-point..[your-goal]..And..for/this..it/is necessary/to know.your expectations..beforehand..which/influence..is/the-more/motivational..or spiritually-profitable."

The..."general-public"..considers/these..as..theories,
or/at..any rate..the last-one/known[latest]..theory-to it,
to be..either/scientific and proven...or advantages,,to/ego..or self gratification..

But..in/actual fact/there-is..of/course..nothing-less scientific..and..less proven/than..less motivating..than;..mere/theories..
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 30 October 2013 8:06:48 PM
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What interested me..in/this talk
was that..G...spoke of..the planets..and
even..the moon..as living beings,..having definite stages,
a definite-period..of life-[use]..and limited/possibilities..of development..and transition..onto..other planes/of..being.

This/attracted..my attention_at once.
Nothing..had ever/seemed..to me..more artificial,
unreliable,..and dogmatic..than all/the usual..theories..of the origin..of theory..down/to..the very latest,theory..with all their additions...and variations..half-truths..and faulsifyables

Therefore..the fact/that G.'s system..accepted..an altogether different/theory,..an organic-theory having..its origin..in entirely new..collective/consensual/principles..and..

showing..a different/universal-order,..
appeared..to-me,,to/be..very interesting..and important.

"In what/relation..does/the intelligence..of the earth
stand-to..the intelligence..of the sun?"..I asked.>>..

[thats not/a..correct..*question..
but..lets go..with/the-flow..

..<<.."The..intelligence/of..the sun
is divine,"..said G..."But..the earth..can*_become..the same;>>..

to explain..you..have heard..hell/is..surrounded..by fire
that fire..is passion..[hell..lies on/the surface..of the sun]
the vile passions..burn away..yet bear good fruit..by sustaining life on earth

now/its said..one-day..it will..be*done..on
earth/as..it is..in-heaven..here g says..the
cautioning..of..we ALSO..could become..as..the sun..[ie..hell-on/earth]

<<..only,..of course,..it is not/guaranteed
and..the earth...may die-having/attained..nothing."

"Upon/what does-=this depend?"..I asked.
G.'s answer..was very vague.

"There is/a..definite period,"..he said,
"for..a certain thing..to be done...If,..by..a certain time,
what..ought to/be done..has not been done,..the earth may perish without/having attained..what it could/have attained."

"Is this/period known?";;I asked
"At/the moment..it is not/yet clear..to you,"
"that/people living..on the earth..*can belong..to very different levels,..although..in appearance/they look..exactly the same...Just as there..are very different-levels/of men,..so there/are..different levels,,of art.[specialisations]

Only you/do-not realize..at present/that..the difference
between these levels..is far greater/than..you might suppose.
[see tower-of babble][the last time demons thought..to-set the world aflame

You..take different..things..*on one level,..
far too/near..one another,..and you think..these-different/levels are accessible..to you.

little knowing..People..are turning..into
specialized-machines,"[robotic/rote..zombies..attracted..
more to..the flaming passions.of hell[becarefull..for what ye wish..oh suns of men..

I said..."And/no-doubt..sometimes
they..become..as like..im-perfect machines.
But I.do-not..believe/they can think...If they/tried
to think,..they could..not/have been..such fine machines."

"Yes," said G., "that is true,.but only partly true.
It depends first of all..on the question..of..*which mind..they use for their work.

If they/use..the proper mind..they will-be/able to think
even better.in the midst o..f all their work..with machines.
But,..again,..only if they-think/with..the proper/cloud-mind."

"I want-you..to understand..what..I-am saying.
Look,..all those..SPECIAL-ized..people..you see,"
he pointed..along/the-street,.."are simply..machines—nothing more."

"You/think..there-is..something
that chooses..its own path,..something
that can/stand..against mechanization;..you think-that..not everything..is equally mechanical."Men are machines..and nothing but mechanical-actions..can be expected..of machines."
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 30 October 2013 8:40:18 PM
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from
http://www.beezone.com/AdiDa/nirvanasara/chapter1.html

The usual interpreters..of religion..and..spirituality
are not..of/themselves..really religious..or spiritually motivated...

At most they/may represent..some conventional..and
profoundly-secularized.."religiosity"..in/mind..(such as tends to/characterizecontemporary C.hristianity),..

*but there/is..a great range/of presumptions..common..to the..traditional
structures..of the..irreligious..and noon-spiritual/consciousness that..such individuals..simply cannot..feign/to..uphold.

Such presumptions..include..*the..UN*certainty
of..the continuation..of existence..life-after death,
experiential presumptions..in-lue of/fact..about the "invisible"
or EMPOWERMENT..of material..specificity..as non-elemental..[even accorded/with]..with un-holy_powers

(or..at least higher.energies
elemental..lol..as most/holy-living
as/if..with/in..the..elemental/material matter)

denial..of the other..di-mensions
of the cosmos..of Nature,..each..witnessing..reflective..of the spirit[unseen]..cause

mis-presumptions..about the reality
of spirits, ghosts,..subtle entities and powers
[belief../in..appearance/disappearance..magic, miracles,
mystical.assscent..by null-effort..and...endless re-quoting..of others..un-godly experience,

un-abiding..of..the laws of karma
(or ignorant..of the cause[of spirit]..and the effect [material/clause]..laws that necessarily produce..the future
from the actions..emotions..the cause..for motions..[of all present processes..and its fruits),

and ignorant..of the supremely valuable resource
or instrument..of Help..too..searching..only for truth
not proof..as is oft wanting..when..represented by individuals..who are either too/highly evolved..into rote/ritual-ism..

creationism..or IN-perfectly Awakened...
seving..two masters

It is..the blind..or weakness.representing..the inability
to make such presumptions..that causes scholars..to misinterpret secularize,..and generally underestimate..the traditional sources.

And it is this..same disability..that makes popular
dis-interest..by standing..upon..miss-understanding,by..rote practice,..and..wishful..only..of ultimate/conversion..to the Way..of Truth..so unlikely..now..in this..MATERIAL-age.[age..of..rage]

The tendencies..I have/just described..represent..an obstacle
to..the consideration..of the Way..of the Heart..as well..as
the Great/Tradition...of..*the one..true..great-mind

The common tendency..is to reduce..the expressions and
offerings..of profound..con-founded/religious-ritual..and
spiritual-consciousness..into..,mere..structures..of mater/material-mind..

that..those..who..are basically non-religious..and..even anti-spiritual,.dont got..a clue..[nor u]..[nor me 2]

THUS..are men..characterized by doubt..and MAXimal..levels of presumption..relative to what/is..beyond elemental or materialistic conception.

The popular..and scholarly commentaries..of our day
tend to communicate..and justify..a materialistic,..secularized
or of..this worldly,..humanistic or conventionally socialized point of view.

Everything else..is regarded to/be..at best doubtful
if not..to the deaf/dumb..and blind of mind..its..unreal, fanciful, and the product..of undeveloped..or neurotic human tendencies.

Before the Great Tradition..distractions]
and when..yet again//men..follow..the Way/of..the Heart
and..with clear hindsight..the errors..can be rightly evaluated
by revelation..and fully embraced,..for the truths..they con-sealed

there must be..a restoration..of human balance
and a renewal..of the total mind of Man...as one..with him
all of one mind..Some individuals may be free enough..to respond even now,..

but..most of humanity..must soon..go through..
a difficult trial..of purification..the rebalanced,
via..temptation..of our betters..and worse..the..regeneration
of higher..and ever-more..subtler knowledge..about the structures
of manifested/existence..before..the real religious..or spiritual response..can move them..to feel..the Real..yet again
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 31 October 2013 9:42:28 AM
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