The National Forum   Donate   Your Account   On Line Opinion   Forum   Blogs   Polling   About   
The Forum - On Line Opinion's article discussion area



Syndicate
RSS/XML


RSS 2.0

Main Articles General

Sign In      Register

The Forum > General Discussion > how to suceed succesion ..?..[lamb-island]

how to suceed succesion ..?..[lamb-island]

  1. Pages:
  2. 1
  3. 2
  4. 3
  5. ...
  6. 49
  7. 50
  8. 51
  9. All
Lamb Island residents..are voting to secede from Australia

http://au.news.yahoo.com/qld/a/19216982/qld-island-to-vote-on-independence/?cmp=fb

The people of Lamb Island..are off to the polls on October 19th, to vote on seceding from Australia.

If successful,..a plebiscite will be held on Saturday 26th October to pass the draft constitution of the new Independent Republic of Nguduroodistan -

or IRON for short.

http://blogs.abc.net.au/files/021013-lamb-island.mp3

it dont seem like a joke?

the only question raised..in comments..was how about the dole?
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 6:48:15 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Excellent, good on them!

The smaller the country/state, the more options one has to find another place if and when the laws become too harsh and oppressive.

Hogging a whole continent by one regime, imposing the same laws on all people just because they happen to live where they are, leaving no other options, is an immoral and unjust crime.

I do hope that this precedent will urge more states and territories to secede from the commonwealth, turning Australia from a federation into a confederation, in order to give their residents more options and create a competition between the states over where people can live more freely.

For example, I like this state - whose founder needed to declare an independent state in order to create Israel's first nudist beach:
http://www.lonelyplanet.com/middle-east/travel-tips-and-articles/14858
(a preview of a new film about it in http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-uC5Z2dB1oLs/achziv_a_place_for_love/)

Now, if Labor ever comes back to power in Australia, the people of Lamb Island will be able to decide for themselves whether or not they want to have an NBN.

As for the dole, you won't need it any more - print your own money!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 3 October 2013 9:00:11 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
I once spent some time living on my yacht moored off my waterfront storage shed, & sort of weekender, on Russell Island, in the same group as Lamb.

On one occasion a group of us, with the assistance of a local real estate agent, who had access to the details, worked out how much the Redlands council picked up in rates from Russell Island.

They were getting over 100 times what they spent on the island. WE figured it was fair to say their new council chambers had been paid for a couple of times over by the long suffering folk on the bay islands. I fully understand the annoyance of Lamb island residents.

I also understand OUG's mention of the dole. There were quite a few work shy folk living on the island. This was a very good argument for curtailing immigration, as most of those work shy people were overseas born. Interestingly a large percentage of those were islanders originally, coming from another smallish island just off the coast of France. You would think that with English as a first language, they could have done better for themselves & us.
Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 3 October 2013 9:57:15 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
your right yu
they can print their own..money
[as long as..its held..on behalf of all..for the benefit..of all

and as a formalized currency..necessitates currency exchange
via treaty..[that hopefully will be enshrined..in the constitution

also important..i feel..is that age sex race employment especially VOTING-age bias..be forbidden..in our founding constitution

and that visitors etc
have rights to.have a partial say
in the tax free state..BANK..where they may chose..to send their pay

visitors should need apply..[on the ferry]
for a passport..[for minimal fee..money/credit
plus..iits all..on the Nguduroodistan smart/swipe card]

[only official..money/credit can be used..on the islands
although..visitors may pay a license transponder fee..[so locals cant pay tourist prices]

[buy/sell..using local notes/exchange it
on arriving/leaving via ferry..or via local./.[redlands business/banks or..otherwise certified money exchanges ]

i live in the redlands suburbia
the money sucked from the suburbs..
that goes directly away from redlands..is massive
[we too..may sign a treaty..or succeed in succession..ourselves]

see states..towns/city centers
its all..mainly..for the locals..that live there
or..the tourists that visit..from there..not us stuck..in suberbia

us suburbanites pay..just as much
as..the islanders..but get no local/benefit either

there is..no local monetary..or asset/dividend
no obvious social capital return

they..on an..island
us..in the sea/wilderness..of suburbia..
we both..pay too much..to too..many state-hood statuted revenue raising frauds
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 3 October 2013 10:49:31 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
If it is Independent of Australia, just go there abuse the ruler (whoever) hop on a boat and come to Australia as an asylum seeker.

COME ONE COME ALL Lamb Island awaits you, no visa or documents needed.

I personally will help you get to Australia for the low low price of $10,000 get in early before Tony finds out.

This place has merit for the following.

This offer is especially good if you have lots of children, or if you are old and in your country there is no social security system.

Also if you are young and there is no employment in your country, or if you just want to be a dole bludger.

Also if the wage in your country is low.

Benefits
1) Preferential housing.
2) The dole.
3) Free legal services.
4) Free medical.
5) Free dental.
6) Refugee advocates climbing over each other to help you.
7) Welfare for life.
Posted by Philip S, Thursday, 3 October 2013 11:02:08 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Very interesting.

There's another micro-nation in Australia that you don't hear much about, called Snake Hill Principality. It has recognition from the Queen, the USA, and various other nations.
Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Thursday, 3 October 2013 11:22:27 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Folks, this is serious stuff...

I've read that they're going to have a plebiscite
on the new republic's 35 page constitution and a
caretaker government consisting of a king, a queen,
a prime minister, and 21 ministers. A local yachtsman,
Clint McDonald, stands ready to defend the micronation's
borders from invasion.

And if they need any advice they can always seek it
from Australia's most famous micronation, Hutt River
Province's - Prince Leonard in Western Australia.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 3 October 2013 11:28:27 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
No need to go to the trouble of inventing a new country, Yuyutsu.

>>As for the dole, you won't need it any more - print your own money!<<

There's nothing preventing you from printing your own money today, without the inconvenience of appointing a king, queen etc. So long as you don't try to pass it off as Australian currency, of course. Best to make it look a little different, too, so you can't be had for counterfeiting.

The problem is not with the creation process, you can make yourself into a millionaire overnight. The difficulty comes in persuading people to accept it in exchange for goods and services. Not impossible, of course, particularly if the area of usage is fairly well defined - the Bristol Pound, for example, encourages the use of local tradespeople by the inhabitants of Bristol...

http://bristolpound.org/

Using your own currency as dole money might be a tad more difficult to manage, as it diverts buying power from the productive and of town to the unproductive.

But I'm sure that if Nguduroodistan is able to solve that one, their expertise will be in great demand, from every single country that has to fund a welfare system.
Posted by Pericles, Thursday, 3 October 2013 12:08:53 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
We have seen such as this before.
Once an attempt to not pay tax.
Surely we all know it is a stunt to draw visitors or some such.
And no court would ever back it as well as no government.
The thought boat people are going to flock there is a laugh at best.
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 3 October 2013 2:22:12 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Dear Pericles,

<<No need to go to the trouble of inventing a new country, Yuyutsu.>>

It is my understanding (can someone please correct me if I'm wrong) that currently in Australia, if you print your own money, you are still expected to pay tax on it in *real* Australian Dollars, even if you never had any.

Nevertheless, I wouldn't bother setting up a new independent country merely for financial reasons, including for the ability to print my own money. If I did declare independence (and fight for it if necessary), it would only be for more profound reasons: one is because my individual freedom is severely denied, the second is because the state severely denies the individual freedoms of others, and while I am not personally affected, my conscience would not allow me to be part of a state which does that.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 3 October 2013 2:53:22 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 3 October 2013 9:57:15 AM

So true.

I wonder if they are looking forward to the prospect of some of those nulti-million dollar grants (taxpayers' dollars, naturally!) should there ever be another Labor government in Canberra?

Julia Whatshername was handing out those grants to islanders in the Torres Strait and elsewhere. Maybe the entrepreneurial Lamb Islanders reckon they are also due for the rain of gold from Canberra for 'flooding from global warming'.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-12/torres-strait-pleads-for-climate-change-action/2791376

Plenty of tidal land available in Moreton Bay for any who are into money-making lurks. There has just got to be a Native Title angle as well. Sit down and double the money! Hey, it is only taxpayers' money anyhow, isn't it?
Posted by onthebeach, Thursday, 3 October 2013 3:24:12 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Yes indeed it is only taxpayer's money
as John Howard, George Brandis, Barnaby Joyce,
Tony Abbott and many others on both sides of
politics - can also confirm.

Predictable politicians, as Peter Coleman tells us
in the Preface to "The Costello Memoirs," "whatever
they may say, most of them do not go into Parliament
to bring about particular reforms. They go in becaue
they find the life irrisistible. They want ot be
in it all their lives. They enjoy its exhilarating
highs and take its miserable (and tedious) lows in their
stride. They face long years in the wilderness with
equanimity. They take for granted the slander of fools.
They are politicians the way others are poets. They can't
help themselves."
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 3 October 2013 3:37:50 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Not entirely incorrect, Yuyutsu, but not particularly correct either.

>>It is my understanding (can someone please correct me if I'm wrong) that currently in Australia, if you print your own money, you are still expected to pay tax on it in *real* Australian Dollars, even if you never had any.<<

You cannot be taxed on the actual printed dollars. But if you run a business where you use the currency as a substitute for real money - i.e., you use it as a medium of exchange in lieu of A$, then you are likely to be taxed on the actual A$ value that you create.

So no, you can't be taxed just on the existence of the printed stuff, but yes, you can be taxed on income that you personally measure (and are paid) in Yuyutsu dollars, but which the taxman assesses in the Australian variety.

Frankly, I don't see much point in these vanity currencies. Even the Bristol Pound - which you can use to pay your council rates - has this teensy little caveat:

"Bristol Pounds can not be exchanged directly for sterling"

Seems rather to miss the point of having currency in the first place.
Posted by Pericles, Thursday, 3 October 2013 3:57:56 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Those Moreton Bay Islands share a lot in common with the Hinterland and South Tweed. There needs to be an outreach service from Wonderful Centrelink so the good residents don't have to ruin their day travelling for interviews.

What about a combination meals on wheels from Maccas and Wonderful Centrelink Outreach?

If they could pick up the VB slabs and bourbon on the way, mind.
Posted by onthebeach, Thursday, 3 October 2013 4:02:07 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Given that Bristols is a rhyming slang term... does that make Bristol Pounds a décolletage weight measure?

Moving on.

Does anyone know the current exchange rate between Yuyutsu dollars and Jardine dollars?
Posted by WmTrevor, Thursday, 3 October 2013 4:12:50 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
I never saw any centrelink people out on the bay islands onthebeach, the folk out there weren't that favored.

Where there were centrelink people traveling to the poor underprivileged was to the greenie protesters on Fraser Island. It was considered too much of a hardship for those up trees or buried neck deep in roads to have to travel to Maryborough to the CES office, so the public servants went to them. They even carried folding money for them.

Some of us wondered how the smelly ones fulfilled the requirement to apply for a number of jobs each week, but it seems that is only for real people.
Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 3 October 2013 4:31:25 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Since when does being "residents" of an area entitle one to "secede"?
Even the official states aren't allowed ("one indissoluble Federal Commonwealth").

I hope they realise they will have no claim on anything funded by the Australian or Queensland governments for our citizens (defence, Medicare, Centrelink, disaster relief, legal aid).

Needing a passport and alternate currency may in fact kill any tourism they currently have. There are easier destinations.

There are less than 500 residents, only a third working full time.
Good luck, kids.
Posted by Shockadelic, Friday, 4 October 2013 2:20:13 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
It quite honestly is never going to happen.
Past hut, I think that was the name was telling us it was separate .
Imagine if, unthinkable but just say, it got government approval.
Instantly it would be a tax have for billions of our tax dollars.
We would need agreement to get criminals back, without that it too would become a haven.
Has beens description may well be true, and while imaginations run wild here those getting sit down money would starve.
Posted by Belly, Friday, 4 October 2013 7:41:09 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
shockers/quote..<<..Since when..does being "residents"..of an area entitle one..to "secede"?>>..ignoring the..hypothetical..use of one

since long before in/usa..or france
''we the people''..decided to form..a lasting union
of..rightful/useful occupation..and mutual obligation..to serve..the protections of..all the people....

and the PEOPLES culture..achievements..history/standing and estates..[and natures creations]

<<Even..the official/states aren't allowed
("one indissoluble/Federal Commonwealth").>>

yes the slave master..learns might is right
but the alternative..is that the federal constitution
[ratified a..British Parliament act..is at best a colony
[those...so called 'state'..each have a gg..[meaning they are ipso-facto colonies

regardless the federal-con..allows
the formation..of more 'states'..i suggest we would be better srerved with..520 much smaller [town size states..that the few state AND terror-Torrie..we now got

[are we..not all equal?..the federal rules state..
that where..state law..is divergent..the fall..under federal law

your missing that we all got birth rights
so your hope/fear..decieves you..<<I hope..they realize>>

that in..your OPINION..<<..they will have no claim..on anything funded by the Australian..or Queensland governments..for our citizens (defence, Medicare, Centrelink, disaster relief, legal aid).>>

great i will inform..png..and other places
australia dont care..[we already know..that..
thats why..i presume..they are talking of succeeding

<<..Needing a passport>>

no..merely a visa stamp
*our own govt..provides..passport
[but ya ever..heard of duel-passport holders?

<<..and alternate currency>>
via a cyber smart card?..or in coin?
or in collectible fiat bank notes[that have a promise topay..in-full[in seed]..by me?[see wikiseed/wikigeld]

<<..may in..fact kill..any tourism/they..currently have..>

what tourism..[redlands has..so many hidden gems..[but the local council..is about developing/nest feathering..not for either its people not tourists

why?..<<There are..easier destinations.>>
yes same same..[how lame]..we got natures.fun parks

we got ..wildlife[running free]....not zoos..
we got..a living..nurturing culture..we want..to use what we got

<<There are less..than 500 residents>>

a perfect trial size
[can i..be the rubbish guy?
i got some..good ideas..for that,

<<..only a third/working full time.>>

full time work is falling..everywhere
clearly..your implication is two/thirds are dole blunderers
but most there..are retired..[on-pensions]..[do pensions..get paid..to europe/britan/nz etc..

but..its all good

you seem handy..with numbers
how much full time..do you aussies work?

<<Good luck,

kids>>

i..hesitate to say..their average age
exceeds..your present r-age.
Posted by one under god, Friday, 4 October 2013 8:45:02 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Good point, WmTrevor.

>>Given that Bristols is a rhyming slang term... does that make Bristol Pounds a décolletage weight measure?<<

I believe they actually use the term today, to limit the amount of local currency permissible in any single transaction. As in, "anything more than a handful of Bristols is a waste"
Posted by Pericles, Friday, 4 October 2013 8:51:19 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
im..holding back..to just watch
but noted the front page,..of the redlands times..confirms much..of what we already know..
but gives a sniff..of they know what they are doing

eg..a qld constitution lawyer..dropped this clever bit
which is..true..cause i heard the same point re uncle kevin..appeal to the high court[cause i heard the judge say it]

he said in affect..'why do..you come to me
by your own claim..i have no..right..[lawful authority]

but as usual..the actual..quote is noted..here

nicolas said..<<that ..claims..to the high court
have been rejected..as being,,inconsistant..with the request being made''

<<..if your going..to..the high-court..for a 'determination'
you are recognizing..the high court>>..

[thus a part of the jurisdiction..
over which..it can lord it/rule]..

<<..then..you are by your own..act..
choosing..to/be part..of..the state..
by which..the high court..claims egzistant/active authority..over you

you are..in affect..
RECOGNIZING..the right of the courts..jurisdiction

you submitted..your standing
giving the court..you begged..to claim..higher standing..OVER YOU

they will try to do it by various means

like saying..change of boundary...only by commonwealth
or even implied consent..[the superior asks..the submissive replies]

masters question..the lessor begs
apply means beg..you got what you begged for..[app-lied]

what is implied
or what is applied..for in the constitution..by whom?
Posted by one under god, Friday, 4 October 2013 11:25:08 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
how great..is the usa
it was able..to issue its own..money
but it gave up that right to bankers..so they can create money
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/thequestion.jpg

thing is today,,money..isnt money[see old money was a bond
a bound promise to..DELIVER..gold silver or copper..in
*weights..of pounds/dollars pennies..or shilling WEIGHTS*

thus..the earlier mention..of pounds
<<..does that make..Bristol Pounds..a décolletage weight measure?>>

i will need google that
and..it still..dont make a low-cut

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=a+décolletage+weight+measure%3F

thanks to pericules..i may figure it out

<<..I believe..they actually use..the term today, to limit..the amount of local currency..permissible in any single transaction.>>

i hate it when..they..chance words meanings
but have faith..thats what it now means..to lower..[go beyond]..the limit

<<..As in,.."anything more than a handful..of Bristols is a waste">>

great..im into waste
but handfuls or not..a bristol..pays the rates

but i would yet again..point out
the wikiseed..pays off all govt debts
govt confirmed..that right by the mass privatizations..of govt agencies,assets..,following our notice to govt of it..from 1996..and confirmation..of it in 200o]

but till people test it..
by drawing on my underwriting..of the wiki seed delivery..why bother

but i see that the island...could get power supply..by tender
collectively insure the whole island[shared discounts..reduced rates..[eg..i do DRY-rubbish removal.for free][on the condition..its kept clean dry unbroken..minimum damage etc..ie remains a cleanproduct

[with all wet dirty stuff into the sewer to recover methane
thing is to retain..the value of the imported assets values
to maximize any possible return[ie bottles can be refilled..labels make collage

but why bother
its easier to think me insane
push me to present..my proofs.,.or explain..more clearly..particular points..mean while the lost harvest..[seized by govt long ago]..multiplies steadily..

10 fold each passing year
going back..over 40 years
the seed..is like the old promise to pay..in gold/silver/copper]
[except with us..its living seed[or food]..or for value[exchange/medium

[see rev 22;2..for the healing*
Posted by one under god, Friday, 4 October 2013 12:08:16 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Belly, it doesn't need "government approval". That's the whole point about secession.

The United Nations recognises the "right of all peoples to self-determination", and Australia also recognises it.

For example, that was the basis of Australia's involvement in East Timor. Australia supported East Timor seceding from Indonesia, even though East Timor didn't have "government approval". Same with Kosovo I think it was.

Neither Hutt River nor Snake Hill Principality required or got "government approval".

If government approval was a requirement, the USA would not be an independent state, neither would Ireland, most of the states of South America, and many other states of the world.
Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Friday, 4 October 2013 12:10:39 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
JKJ you amaze me!
Do you honestly hold the view a chance, any chance, exists this place can circumvent the Federal Government and be a free nation?
Are you aware of the Hut Provence?
A so called free nation within ours?
While an interesting subject but, if you truly hold that thought I remind you every house in Australia could do it too.
Do we understand the tax position alone, every tax avoider in the world could live there.
Posted by Belly, Friday, 4 October 2013 2:51:28 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
oh..belly..please..ol mate..every tax avoider?

mate they all-ready do better in london/amsterdam..Cayman islands Switzerland..or ire-land or espana..or hongkong..or that tiny fiefum..just off france..

heck i don think lamb island
even has a bank..or post office

[im sure you too.have been on bigger building sites
than lamb island..[iron]..Nguduroodistan ..

can we at least diss-cuss..ways to help..
not drown their cry for help..under..an egsaduration..
like every tax avoider..or every dole bludger..etc

they are great people
just like you belly..just like you/me..trying to figure wre govt went wrong[it was by thinking govt was there to PROTECT>.the rich..by taxing the poor to death.

by doubling their energy prices..
selling public assets..revenue raising..giving govt BORROWED MONEY..to dead multinational-ist duel passport holders..and cooperation

mate its wrong wrong wrong
lest we forget..libs stay-in..
and your party takes over..only..what 5 times last century.?

you may have rolled back some things
but state labor..mate they feathered their own nests

[i was going to say fouled our nest]..
soon going to send us broke..to steal our homes..
for pennies on..the pound..when..the libs send us off..to old people hostels..taking our homes cause..we cant pay our rates..or turn on a fan..

belly..its about the people saying
stop*..enough..[open a window..and yell]
who made this eden..into hell?
Posted by one under god, Friday, 4 October 2013 3:17:51 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
from
http://www.roitov.com/articles/bagrut.htm

It is hard to see here democracy in action (we all remember the ridiculous recounting process in Florida) or even justice in action. In America's questionable legal system, nepotic politruks run the scene. See Prison America.

++ Western dialectics are beyond any doubt the pinnacle of human achievements. "Democracy" means "rule of corporations and oligarchs," "Law" means "what civil servants need for their own profit" while dictionaries define Ev·i·dence [noun] 1: False claim made by a government.

"Terrorists" are those fighting Western regimes; "freedom fighters" are those fighting for Western regimes. All others are slaves to be exploited by their governments.

This is an implementation of 1984's Doublethink. "The keyword here is blackwhite. Like so many Newspeak words, this word has two mutually contradictory meanings. Applied to an opponent, it means the habit of impudently claiming that black is white, in contradiction of the plain facts. Applied to a Party member, it means a loyal willingness to say that black is white when Party discipline demands this.

But it means also the ability to believe that black is white, and more, to know that black is white, and to forget that one has ever believed the contrary. This demands a continuous alteration of the past, made possible by the system of thought which really embraces all the rest, and which is known in Newspeak as doublethink.

Doublethink is basically the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them." George Orwell, 1984

con-text
http://www.celestinevision.com/celestine/forum/viewtopic.php?p=15105#15105
Posted by one under god, Friday, 4 October 2013 4:19:32 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Interesting to see some the posters here are taking this more seriously than I'm sure the Lamb Island folk are.

Lamb Is. is a little lump of rocky clay. There is not much going for it, except perhaps it is not Brisbane, or any other city, & it is surrounded by water.

It is not even very nice water. The tides roar through the area, swirling mud from the mangroves along with them. I would not swim in the water for quids.

It has no beach, & if there is any tourism, other than weekenders escaping the city it is very small & low key. The chance of supporting itself is nonexistent.

The best thing about Lamb is it's people, who are friendly & helpful.

They have been ripped off for years by the council on the mainland, as have all the bay island people.

My guess this topic has achieved some of what they are hoping. More people now know the island exists, & that they are unhappy with their treatment by the local government, & state & commonwealth governments.

Whether this is likely to make any difference is doubtful. For years there was no council, & most of the people were happy. Then a council was imposed on them, & since then they became unhappy. I don't think much has changed in the 30 odd years since I was there, & I'm afraid not much change is likely from this either, but I wish them luck.
Posted by Hasbeen, Friday, 4 October 2013 4:42:35 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Dear Hasbeen,

<<It is not even very nice water. The tides roar through the area, swirling mud from the mangroves along with them. I would not swim in the water for quids.

It has no beach, & if there is any tourism, other than weekenders escaping the city it is very small & low key. The chance of supporting itself is nonexistent.>>

As it was said, The meek shall inherit the earth!

Because this place isn't rich in resources and isn't a big city like Brisbane, it is more likely that the Australian government will not interfere in their independence. Whether and how they will support themselves is nobody else's business but theirs.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 4 October 2013 5:09:00 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
one under god "we the people"

And what of the "people" of Brisbane, Queensland, Australia?
What say do they have in this matter?
What if they don't want this island or 520 other towns having their own independent governments?

"the federal-con..allows the formation..of more 'states'"

Only with the agreement of the majority population of the current state and federal parliament.
Lamb Island isn't even asking to be a new "state".

If you don't like the term "indissoluble", the constitution can be amended by referendum. Nobody has proposed changing this, as far as I know.
Nor this:

"the federal rules state.. that where..state law..is divergent..the fall..under federal law"

Yes, so the states are basically redundant, so why create 520 of them?

"your missing that we all got birth rights"

As "citizens". Which they won't be anymore.

"great i will inform..png..and other places australia dont care"

PNG has no claim to anything "Australian".
We can *choose* to offer them anything, but that is our choice, not their entitlement.

"no..merely a visa stamp *our own govt..provides..passport"

And many Australians don't have one, and certainly aren't going to the trouble of getting one just to visit some tiny island a few metres from Brisbane.

"via a cyber smart card?..or in coin? or in collectible fiat bank notes"

It doesn't matter what *form* the currency is in.
It still means Australians can't use the cash or accounts they already have, and must make extra effort to exchange.

"we got natures.fun parks we got ..wildlife[running free]"

And so do plenty of other Australian locations that don't require a passport or other currency.

"your implication is two/thirds are dole blunderers but most there..are retired..[on-pensions]"

I implied nothing.
The others are a third part-time and a third non-working.

Pensions? And who's paying them? The Australian government, to *citizens* only.
What are all those retirees and unemployed going to do when their payments suddenly stop?
Posted by Shockadelic, Saturday, 5 October 2013 1:18:07 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
SHOKKERS/QUOTE...

bris-bane-ites/etc
<<..What say..do they have..in this matter?>>

none..
let.them fail..or succeed.on their own terms

<<What if they don't..want this island>>

so what?
i dont..like their refuge/islands..our money built..im helpless too

<><..520/other towns
having..their own ..independent governments?>>

how many..councils are there now?
[isay kill state..just have local council/fed

council's abuse..the poor..
to hold..races or expo's..or build stadiums..o
r de-desalination PLANTS..OR FREE SOLAR*..we see none of it./.but somehow pay for..all of it

<<.Lamb Island isn't..even asking..to be a new "state".>>

point taken

<<the constitution..can be amended..by referendum.>>

lovbe..that word..canbe..tell me shochaholic..
how many..referendum..have succeeded in changing..anything?

*out of how many?

you just need..alan jones
to call em taX avoiders..and their gone..case closed

<<..Yes,..so the states..are basically redundant,
so why create 520 of them?>>

a few big fish..in one big_pond
or many..little fish..in little ponds?

unable to send..us all down..when they inevitably fail

*big money attracts big sharks

<<birth rights"..As "citizens" Which they won't be anymore.>>

please dont be ignorant..EX-brits get british-pension..
EX-dutch get dutch pensions..if your in the system..you get govt cash
and many workers PAY.iNTO THE SYSTEM*

what are you really afraid of

<<..PNG has no claim..to anything "Australian".>>

i will..let the miners know
you said..they can keep their mine..plus steal..my mine too

<<We can *choose*..to offer them anything,>>

yet you cant vote onlamb island
*T*T*

sour grapes?
grapes of wrath?

<<..but that..is our choice,>>

noits theirs

<<.not their entitlement.>>

present proof

<<..passport">.<<And many Australians don't have one,>>

me either
thats why irecomend a smart card
that does the lot..we buy a card..it declares our status

<<..It doesn't matter..what *form* the currency is in.>>

yes what..matters is who..*controls its buying worth
ankers dont..lend money..our loan application created it
once its 'payed/off'..it disappears as if it never was..but meanwhile inflation ate half of it

in 100..yeaRS..WE HAVE GONE
from pure silver DOLLARS..[WORTH/WEIGHTINSILVER
TO CUPRA/NICKLE COIN..BARELY WORTH ITS FACE IN SCRAP VALUE

inflation has made..a shilling coin
[containing $3 dollars..of silver worth..near nothing today
[10cents cant buy nothing..compared to what a shilling used to buy]

thats value..stripped from..our coin-age system

if i..hold money..in the bank..its mine..not yours
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 5 October 2013 6:29:48 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
OK some are content to believe such a thing can take place.
I am now one of them.
I declare home and land Belly country.
No one may enter without producing both current union membership card .
And proof of membership of the ALP.
Now can we admit it can not happen?
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 5 October 2013 3:14:51 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
belly has seen the light..<<..OK some are content..to believe such a thing can take place...I am now one of them.>>

we know your only making a point
but me too..so lets go

<<.I declare home and land Belly country>>

please belly..we need more info
ps if you USE THEIR details..[their names..
their street address..EVEN just..THEIR postcode or pay..*their rates.>.

you by your works..have invalidated
your declaration..but your doing more..

<<>?.No one may enter..without producing..both current union membership card..And proof of membership of the ALP.>>

these may only be joined..
by declaring PERSON HOOD..in writing
to wit..say mr bell..date of birth..[that detail..
is actually..the intellectual property of the owners of births/marriages act..union/party whatever

thats why our sig*-nature..is the mark of the beast
our signature gives life..to that the writing warrants

AUTHOR-ises

see ol'mate..you..as a unionist/partyy ,man
must*..follow the party rules/obey the union-rules
or they can..punish you..BUT*..[not me because i never applied..to join their club]

the same thing re being an..ozzie
see your parents..APPLIED/begged..for your birth..to be registered
and living beings cant be registered..[only slaves or cargo[]..

hence the birth certificate..[berth/certificate]
represents the same..as any 'cargo'..that lands..on the *berth

see we..just like the ship..emerged from the waters
we like cargo/slaves..were accorded..our own berthing certificate

but our birth certificate..isnt you
just like your union card isnt you
but you think its you,or many seem to..but its not..it represents..the person..is not the person..cause its only a paper
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 5 October 2013 4:15:57 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
thus the lie
they never told you..they only control..the id card
and thus they bound freemen..by an age old lie
you thinking your 'a unionist..you an ozzie
they are all..ALL..paper fictions..

begun..[berthed]..when our parents..when your parents..'registered you..like a stud horse..or a trademark..or a rank/office etc..ie created a person/under the act

the living being..dont hold control over nothing
created by the state..[the first paper fiction..
upon which..all the rest was built..
its..all in whatever the paper warrants..licenses

<<Now can we admit..it can not happen?>>

no mate
it did happen..and why did it happen..
two law maxims..a begger..is presumed..to know..for what he begs
[and when you applied..[or your parents di..theyt sought a perceived advantage..BEGGED[app-LIED]..for the preconceived advantage..other state constructs..*set up FOR control over BUSiNESS./.not for people

thus we have license.[ie permission..for a person..UNDER the TRANSPORT act..to do that otherwise a 'person'..cant do..[ie a person..is the creation..under the many-fold act's

ie the license/your name..your marriage/your kids..all OWNED/creations of the stAte..[itself yet another creation]

see mate..business transports goods
thus under the transport act..they created..things..like drivers[that 'drive transport..called vehicles..[driver means someone..in control of a vehicle[a vehicle means making income via driving[delivery]

if your nor doing commerce..its not a vehicle[under the act]
thus dont need a license..but we all would be fine with all them lies

then they lie again..again
next thing cooperation got rights
and we are enslaved..to pay as much as govt can get out of us
trouble being..

govt borrows ITS OWN MONEY..at intrest off bankers..
hen..it alone own the right to make its own..

now bankers own govt plus
money and we are wage slaves..by clever lies
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 5 October 2013 4:16:56 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
one under god, I really wish you could write in proper English

"bris-bane-ites/etc <<..What say..do they have..in this matter?>> none.. let.them fail..or succeed.on their own terms"

Lamb Island will fail alright.
But they are currently part of "Brisbane", part of "Queensland", part of "Australia", so those entities have every right to have a say.

"how many..councils are there now?"

Local councils aren't even constitutionally valid. They shouldn't exist.
If local councils are evil abusers of the poor, why would you want them to have even more powers?

"how many..referendum..have succeeded"

Very few, and with good reason. *Australians* didn't want those changes, the politicians did.

"a few big fish..in one big_pond or many..little fish..in little ponds? unable to send..us all down..when they inevitably fail"

And the smaller they are, the more likely they'll fail, as they won't be economically viable.
Many independent states/territories would make sense only in places like Spain or Russia, where there are significant ethnic regional differences.
Australia, with the exception of the Aborigine-dominant far north, is fairly homogenous, and therefore unlikely to need one law here and another there.

Uniform laws and policies make life easier.
The only question is how democratic those decisions are.
The current two-party biased system is not truly democratic.
I'd want to change that, rather than create 520 fiefdoms where the major parties would still dominate.

"EX-brits get british-pension."

Yes, from the *British* government, not the Australian.
If they are ex-*residents* of UK, not ex-citizens.

"many workers PAY.iNTO THE SYSTEM*"

Not the Australian system.

"<<..PNG has no claim..to anything "Australian".>> i will..let the miners know you said..they can keep their mine"

Are you talking about a PNG mine?
No, Australia has no "claim" on it, accept where agreed to by the laws and policies of the *PNG* government.
We need legal permission to do anything in another country, and vice versa.

"they are all..ALL..paper fictions.."

And so is the "Independent Republic of Lamb Island".

*Everything* in human society is an invention, a creation of our imaginations.
There's no point hoping this will change.
All you can change are the particular fictions accepted.
Posted by Shockadelic, Sunday, 6 October 2013 2:16:04 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
shhh-okker..brissie-bane..is the worlds largest council

but lamb-isl..lies in redlands
adjoins the..logan council..etc

thank you for pointing out..that councils have NO..formalised recognition..but then again..neither does the state

[you would know an.;.upper house..[like a senete],..
cant vote itself..out of egzistance..[like..qld upper house did]

that needs a referendum[never the less councils claim..their powers via a state act[and the state ass revealed earlier..isnt kosher[cause it arbitrarily dumped..the upper house[criminal treason]

and peter beaty..rewrote the constitution..into an act
[act 70..0f 2002..[the constitution act]..then signed it into law himself..that is the reason..i made clear..my claim..to the coat of arms head of the deer

[that is..my coat of arms..[my totum
and they didnt proceed..with..the case..
cause they know..i owen the head..for over 5 centuries]

that lack of recognition..is known
thus the intention..of the referendum..alp dropped/federally at last election

i didnt re quote..your stuff
cause thats..when it gets messy

despite that..i forget your other points

<<why would you want..[councils]..to have..even more powers?>>

i..dont..thats why i..support a referendum

<<the smaller they are,..the more likely..they'll fail>>

no..the more..easy to control/jail

<<they won't be economically viable.>>

hence the urgency..for federal recognition

<<..Uniform laws..and policies make life easier>>

as long as its lawful[govt got no right to police a plant[fixture]..into..fungable crime

<<..how democratic/decisions are.>>

ab-origonal society..require consensus
[lets wait ..nd see what Nguduroodistan comes up with?..firtst..eh?

<<..The current two-party..biased system..is not truly democratic.>>

agreed..but..democratic means the 51%..lorded over..by the 4%
use that to..claim..of 51%..abuse the remaining 96%..

<<I'd want to..change that,..rather than create 520 fiefdoms
where the major parties..would still dominate.>>

ahhh yes BUT..if you read..my proposition
[govt is divided in half]..ie..mens and womens business
the ruloing state allocates 50/50..

between..the mens[business]..
and the womans/business[nurture]

<<We need..legal permission..to do anything>>>

nomate..[those claiming advbantage..uinder the act[only they are subject[tothe act]..your subject..[i rejected then 4 years ago[complretly]..

how ?
i gave them..notice..and simply returned their id/crap]..
sure im completely..on my own..but i dont like criminal govt..and always was alone..[govt declared war onme in..1986..you lot just havnt noticed it yet

<<There's no point..hoping>>

yes..its time..for lawful action
<<All you can change..are the particular fictions accepted.>.

no..we can accept them..from the beginning[openly]
do it proper way..eh?
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 6 October 2013 7:05:43 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
OUG I think you know I am your mate.
But yes I too wish you would drop the poem like post style.

I offer this as evidence, if we could do such things folk who have for decades wanted new states would have give us a few Queenslands, including one with Rockhamton as its center.
A new, at least one, state in WA.
Tassy may drop off forming a tax haven/tourist industry naming them self *The Real Australia*
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 6 October 2013 11:00:11 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
i have tried many different styles belly..but its about trying to make my posts readable..if you recall..when i joined..every post was a block..of text..that i found hard to read..i then copied your one line replies style..but that didnt work..either..anyhow im open to..trying to change yet again..if thats what people want..but..you know most dont bother reading any of it..because they dont comprehend me still

anyhow..mate we are talking about..426 residents here[how many in tassie?..or north of rocky..thing is i tried the change once at long reach..that is 6 block's north/south..and maybe 5 blocks east west..a nice trial site[it even has a few banks super markets etc..but lamb island mate its got little more than a shop....THING IS ..the states are unlawful[acting beyond what the constitution allows..[but might is right..so they bluff their way..far too far..into criminality[that then sets up stuff like abribe[zabid[that one of many corrupt politicization recently kicked out ofg nsw..to install the next lot of criminal

the latest planed scam..is to sell off..power water etc
[so..capitalists can double the charges..even further

for what..to build more damm toll road..a
nd save us sitting in traffic in..our imported vehicles
yes tobsave a few fools sitting in their cars..

to build new roads[that should RIGHTFULLY..be paid FROm..our fuel excise...indicates the power of the lobby..[and jobs for the boys as was talked of on insiders this morning..mate the system is rotten..TO THE CORE..

if iron*..has any true worth..its to expose
the greed..of those seeking special-powers via lies..to make themselves and their pals even richer..i know nothing will change..but..i gotta try..to help..make it work..if only online..in theory

the world needs much smaller egos
much smaller govt..much smaller fiefdums
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 6 October 2013 11:40:33 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
I'll back those sentiments on style OUG.

As my eyes deteriorate I find I can only spend so much time at a screen, or even reading. After a while glasses give me a headache.

Your play on words & other technics take longer & more concentration to decipher, I sometimes don't bother. I know someone recently said they had fun deciphering your posts, but your above post was much easier for me.
Posted by Hasbeen, Sunday, 6 October 2013 12:27:46 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Well done OUG I too found that much better.
Let me be honest, my first posts here and near 4.000 in two other sites before coming here are worse than yours ever got.
I have a learning difficulty, not an easy one to describe.
But I will try, my life has been full of achievements unexpected from a bloke with so little schooling.
See an inviable switch is in side my head, it turns on and I can learn anything.
But have no control, some things simple for others are hard work for me, my PC is about ten percent in use, I can not force learning on it!
You remember first told me how to cut and paste, thanks for that, I am not ashamed of my lack of education, or some ability's.
The best road grader operator I ever saw can not read or write.
I am perplexed, just how can I pass tests for say full call ham radio in the top ten percent mark, but had to ask for help to cut and paste?
Mate this I know, we must see future generations of country bred people stay in school not go to work in their early teens.
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 6 October 2013 5:40:41 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
you raise..some important..issues belly..[for one././i dont think..lamb island..even has a school]..let alone basic things like a police station..or a jail-cell..[i recall the copper of old times..but recall that a marshal...holds protective DUTIES..[the concept possibly..has become corrupted..by robiin-hood's sheriff..

soi suggest the basics..of a cop..able to put people in stocks
[say over night..or just kick-em in the butt..[or.the ultimate.exiled from the island..but that the 'law;..is there to check fair due process or reasonable guilt/actionable cause was obeyed

but from then..on..
we treat them..like in greenland

anyhow law order./.education health..[im fairly sure..for example that no docker..nor doctor..nor ambulance fire-fighter..nor even...a nurse..let alone hospital bed or old folks home,emergy center,nor childminding..or a barber..or dentist..butcher or anyindustry exists..on this island..

in short..it hasnt got nuthin

yet is expected to pay..pay and pay some more
these people are feeling the pain..so bad..they gotta DO SOMETHING
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 6 October 2013 7:04:20 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
one under god, "councils have NO..formalised recognition..but then again..neither does the state"

If you mean the states, they are referred to in the constitution, and prior to that were recognised colonies.

"i..dont [want councils to have even more powers]..thats why i..support a referendum"

But you're asking for 520 states.
Effectively, they would be much the same as the current local councils, only now with powers of legislation, taxation, etc.

"no..the more..easy to control/jail"

So your solution for political corruption/dominance is to just divide the corrupt cake into smaller slices, rather than bake a new cake (like national proportional representation and direct democracy).

"democratic means the 51%"

No system will get unanimous results, democracy is the least-worst solution to political conflict.

"if you read..my proposition [govt is divided in half]..ie..mens and womens business"

I don't recall seeing that, but now I'm even more opposed to your proposition than before.

Decisions by the mens group would affect women, and vice versa.
Government decisions affect *all* citizens.
Posted by Shockadelic, Monday, 7 October 2013 12:09:12 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Dear Shockadelic,

I agree that if 520 different states will be miniature copies of what we have now, then nothing was achieved other than increasing expenses.

Now would this actually be the case?

Would I be too optimistic to hope that groups who are currently oppressed will begin moving to mini-states that allow them to do what they are currently prevented by law (and if there isn't any, then they will decide to converge on one mini-state where they will have a majority)?

I for example suffer from not being allowed to ride a bicycle. I would never put that thing on my head, so that's it, no bicycle for me. If there was a state that allowed riding without wearing that pot, then I would seriously consider moving there.

This should create competition between mini-states over individual freedoms because no mini-state would like to lose its population, thus overall the Australian cake will no longer look the same.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 7 October 2013 12:28:38 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
thsnks..for the shockker..[the mens womans division..is for me the clue..of our future]..in our system..currently..peter beaty..and john howard..BOTH..gave each half a BILLION..each..for a magnesium plant in gladstone..JUST SO..SHAREHOLDERS..got dividends..for a plant..that never got built..

clever aint it..simply via men/womans..that..treasonous theft of satate and federal money..would have been halved..yes the..men..have mens business/gamblinmg..buying the morals from whores/travel nreeds/free lunches for the boys

..but the mother nurture[of the womans balance
is holding half the purse..that still feeds educates..

mate..the ideal system..runs ALL GOVT ..out of the local school's
IF..you need AnYTHING related to govt..or anyhelp at all
go to a school..there will be police docters teachers..way and means

you need a license..there we teach you..if your hungry..there we feed you..if your after a bed..the bed is here..if danger safty is here

federal-govbt pays..only by request from the school
but lamb isl dont got a school..so..i modified adapted my theory
[in my theory..the old and the young..are cared for nurtured..best together..so the school also becomes the ol folks home and police station..and hospital..etc etc..

just as schools are run..by association..the new association would be via two houses..[like upper and lower..but mens only..womans only..both finance their bit..from their own budget

see criminals reley..on getting away..ONCE*..with their crime
by my way..they have to do it TWICE..=twice the risk..of exposing their criminal acts..it just makers sense

ditto having LOCAL/govt centralized..the watchers are watching each other..helping each other..watching each others back..plus our kids and oldies backs too..instead of hiding away..in canberra or brissie..or redlands council.or late at night in the free-masons hideout

tear down..the hidden walls of secrecy
politicians make laws..now they made law..that will expose their own secrets..[not much difference between what bikies public servants/lobby and polies do
Posted by one under god, Monday, 7 October 2013 9:07:14 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Yuyutsu, it sounds good in theory, but most people can't just up and leave for the helmet-free zone.
They have jobs, property, friends and relationships.

Much easier to campaign to remove such "oppressive" laws and policies with fewer governments, not more.

If you only have one government, you only need reform once.
Six governments, six reforms.
If you have 520, you have to fight the same battle 520 times!

one under god, the one-stop shop, eh?
Why not just build a gigantic building with everything inside, including residences and shops.
Nobody ever need leave the building!

Police? Floor 3. School? Floor 16. Supermarket? Floor 78.

We'll call it the Happy Box.
Posted by Shockadelic, Monday, 7 October 2013 11:58:55 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
<<..if you only have one government,..you only need reform once.>>

we dont..we have many headed hydra rule
be it local council bye laws..state restrictiveness..[like laws..that force people to take oath..for light or transienmt revenue raising..contra the instument..forced to swear upon./.[see matthew 5;33-37..,..23;16-24..james 5;9-12]

or federal bail-in's..federal wage taxation..federal compulsions..but mainly federal malfeasance..[like signing trade laws..that impose patent..way belong fair use..or signing treaties that..enforce force drug laws..against a plant./contra genesis 1;29]

WE ARE OVER GOVERNED..by omipotant..public sercvants
the truth..is its not the amounts of govt's..but the leeches living off the dead corpse..for a free lunch..enforcing obedience..in-lue of providing SERVICE*


<<Six governments,...six reforms.>>

if only..

<<..If you have 520, you have to fight..the same battle 520 times!>>

no once a succesfull model emerges..many will follow
but the egzistant ones..dont do it proprer way[by way of these lands..mens/womans..not upper/senet..not kings/queens..not police/courts..not lawyers making laws..to cleanup on legal aid..percicuting moralcrimes

criminal law[if you hurt other the duty to make right]
and statued civil law[law of contract..binding between equals/by informed concent..and mutual advantage/equalobligation]

<<the one-stop shop,..eh?>>

yep..via school districts..
who..do everything..councils /states..federal..MUST DO

<<Why not just>>

nothanks..give me clean water/fresh food companionship/governance that works..for its people./.not big business largess..and a money system..we dont need to continuously bail-out

<<..Nobody..ever need leave the building!>>

unless it hass become a real..and present danger
thats where govt now is..its become our biggest burden

<<..Police? Floor 3. School? Floor 16. Supermarket? Floor 78>>

just a police state mate.
the elites..protected from..the great unwashed..by kids
policing policy..not white collar-crime..[nor the law against debasing the queens coin*]..that is lawfully called treason

We'll call it the Happy Box.
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 8 October 2013 5:32:11 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
<<..if you only have one government,..you only need reform once.>>

Oneundergod "we dont..we have many headed hydra rule"

Note the word "if".

I want a single government elected by proportional representation, enhanced by direct democracy.

*One* government that truly reflects the entire nation's perspective.
The elected representatives would not be there to impose their will, so much as formulate the appropriate response to direct democracy ballot results.
Any initiatives of theirs can also be overruled by the same public ballot process.

"WE ARE OVER GOVERNED..by omipotant..public sercvants"

And you think 520 governments will mean *less* bureaucracy?!

What of businesses that need to operate in multiple zones (e.g. trucking)?
Want to keep 15 different logbooks for the Brisbane-to-Sydney trip?

People on one side of a river can fish without a license, on the other side prohibited. Is this the "fair" system Australians deserve (or even *want*)?

What of a regional government who diverts all water from a river, depriving regions downstream of any? Remember, no higher authority to turn to.

<<..If you have 520, you have to fight..the same battle 520 times!>>

"no once a succesfull model emerges..many will follow"

They may follow (but you have to go through the same reform over and over again), but these are *independent* units you are proposing, with no superior authority.

They don't have to "follow" anyone else, nor consider the rest of Australia when making their own decisions.

"just a police state mate."

That's exactly what you'll create.
520 our-way-or-the-highway fiefdoms that are unconstrained by any other authority.
Posted by Shockadelic, Tuesday, 8 October 2013 11:47:10 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
many good points..[roads belong to..all of us..thus
cannot..be owned/privately..by king..nor corporation/state..
this..reveals the lie of..a private-toll-road..thats technically private..thus*..cannot be policed..[technically]

same thing..applies to our service pipes/wires etc
thats why.i claimed..them..on the peoples behalf..[in sun treaty]
there-in.i also made claim..upon all expired* patent/invention/text..or commons invention..waste and spoil

this solves many..of your concerns..
these may be ceded..for common use..by writing..it into..our charter documentations

<<..But these..are *independent*..units you are proposing,..with no superior authority.>>..i dont have a clue..what lamb island..is going to do..

but what i have done..or would do..[sure lamb island may succeed..but its doubtful..they will ever be independent..the proper power only rests..with the people..[and people not frightend..behave rationally

<<..Any initiatives of theirs.can also be overruled by the same public ballot process.>>

[yes or modified..but this process..can be set in stone..as being in near real time..[in my model..[at schools..it can be done overnight..by sending a vote/note/aid home..with the kids..who have a franchise duty..to serve others]

but lamb island..has no school?
but..does have..a manageable number..a dock a road and a shop..and telecommunication..[install a party line]

nor rivers..but
re that..vital infrastructure..we retain it federally..[pvia treaty]..to oversee..the big picture..underwrite its acces locally..

[its at the local level..we are abused..[thus the urgency..for a proper sheriff serving his charges..not revenue raising law]

[not state..not fed..
a local authority*..able to act locally..for preservation..of life or property..meeting immediate..and all mediated need..asp..

not just in-time..
or just too late..or on the never/never mate-rate]
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 6:56:29 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
http://miraclevision.com/acim/urtext/acim-urtext-2003-upe-ready-edition.pdf

4.Knowledge..can also/be..misinterpreted..as/a..means of..external possession...
[modifiers..of how..things/events/concept./.are perceived]

..Here,..the..[knowledge]..content..is not..physical,
and/the..underlying_fallacy..is more*likely/to..be the..confusion of/mind..and..the..will..initiated..via brain.

The/attempt..to unite..non-physical.content
with..physical/attributes..is illustrated..by/statements..like..“the/thirst..for knowledge.”

(No Helen,..this is NOT..what..the “thirst”..in the/Bible means.
The term..was used..only because of man’s..limited comprehension,..at that time..
and is/probably..better dropped...as..it..may miss-direct..from..the lesson)

<<..The..fallacious/fixated/obsessive/abusive..use/of knowledge
can..result/in..several errors,

including:
a...The idea..that..knowledge..will make.the individual..more attractive..to others...This is/a..possession-[obsessive/possessive-fallacy.]..via a perceived..lack.

b...The idea..that/knowledge..will*.make/the individual..invulnerable. This..is the..reaction/formulation..against..the underlying/fear..of vulnerability.

c...The idea..that knowledge..will make/the..individual worthy.
This..is largely..symptomatic/pathetic.

Both you..and B...should consider type 4)
very carefully...Like all these fallacies,..it/contains..a denial mechanism,..which swings..into operation..only..as the..fear increases,..thus/canceling-out..the error temporarily,..but seriously impairing..efficiency.

Thus,..you claim..you can’t..read,
and B...claims that/he can’t.speak...Note that depression
is.a..real risk here,..for a Child of God..should never/REDUCE his efficiency..in ANY way...by feeding falsity.

depression..comes/from..a peculiar.error
[material/ergo/ego..pseudo-solution]..which reads:..faulsity..A Child..of God..is efficient./I am/not efficient...Therefore,..I am..not..a Child..of God

This leads..to neurotic/resignation,
and this..is a state..which merely..INCREASES..the depressive falsity.

The..corresponding/denial-mechanism..for..1)[subjective..possesion
is..the sense of..PHYSICAL/inability,..or..useless/helpless/IMPOTENCE.

The..denial mechanism..for 2)[objective-possession]..is often moral-bankruptcy...Collectors..of things/trophies/honors/titles..often
drive..themselves..well/beyond..their financial-means.. in/an..attempt to..force..[drive away]..possession-discontinuance.

If..this idea/of..cessation..of investment..by/objectiveposesion..cannot/be tolerated,..
a strange compromise..involving..BOTH..insatiable possessiveness..and insatiable throwing-away..(bankruptcy)..[over/compensated avoidance]..may..negate..the will..

[or set of the drive..to..re-fill/..the perceived..artifice..of lack of]

find..the middle-path

<<Defenses..aimed at protecting/preserving..(or retaining)..error
are..particularly hard.to undo,..because/they..introduce second-order misperceptions..which obscure/the underlying..errors..still/further.

The pseudo-corrective..mechanism..of..point-three
is apt..to..be/more varied because..of the/more..intrusive/inclusive-nature..of the error,..which has already..been mentioned.

Some..of/the..possibilities.are listed below:
a.One aspect.of the possession/possessed..conflict
can/be..raised to..pre-dominance...If/this is..attempted..in connection with..possessing,..it leads to..the paranoid res-solution.

The..underlying component..of..“being possessed”..by outer forces..is retained..in the..“persecution”..fantasies,complexes..which are generally..co-commitments.

b.If..being possessed”..is brought..in-to..ascendance,
a state..of some/sort..of possession/by external forces results,..but NOT with/a major..emphasis..on attacking others.certainties.

Attack BY/others..becomes the more..obvious-component.
In..the more..virulent-forms,..there is a/sense of..being possessed by demons,..and unless there..is vacillation..with a),..a catatonic
stasis..solution..is more likely..than a paranoid one.

The FOCUSSED/paranoid..has become..more rigid/in..his solution,
and centers on/..ONE singular..source..of outer-projection..to escape from..the inner-vacillation.

(Aside:..It should/be..noted that this/type..of paranoia
is an..upside-down form..of religion,..because of/its..obvious attempt..to..unify into oneness.)

Both 1,2,..and..4 are..more likely..to/produce...neurotic..rather than psychotic states/though this..is by no means..guaranteed.

However,..3..[fear/desire..of possesion]..is inherently..more vulnerable..to the/psychotic correction,..again because/of..the more fundamental-level ..confusion which is-involved.

It..should/be..noted,..however,..that/the..greater fear..which is induced..by..[3]..can ITSELF..reach..psychotic proportions,..thus forcing..the_individual/closer..and closer..to-an/external..psychotic
solution.

It/is..emphasized/here..that/these_differences..have/no..effect at all..on/the miracle,..which_can heal.any-of them..with..*equal ease...usually..via revelation.

This/is..because-of..the miracle’s inherent..avoidance/of..[inner]..within-error..distinctions...Its..SOLE/concern..is to distinguish..between truth,..on the/one-hand,..and..ALL kinds of error,..on/the other.

This..is why..some..miracles/SEEM_to/be..of greater_magnitude..than others...But remember..the first point..in this/course,..i.e.,..that there..is/no order..of difficulty..in miracles...after..revelation..of its mean's.
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 12 October 2013 5:29:19 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
oops..that post..was supposed..to/be here
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=0

but it seems..that talk..has run its course

plus..the forum..where i posted..the fuller detail..has shut down..
just seconds..after posting this post..[as i found..after trying to edit..it seconds after posting]
http://www.celestinevision.com/celestine/forum/viewtopic.php?p=15127#15127

if..i was paranoid..i would think..that the powers that ]/be
dont want me..saying anything..

[and.as this topic..has run its course.as well..
do i accept defeat

yeah..ok
uncle..i..give-up

some threads..that link..to this topic
human-vile..[published..under publish or perish..law]
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15562&page=0

complaint mechanism
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=5995&page=0

i..am told that..there is a belief..that suicides..remain in coma until the time..when they would..normally have died.
http://www.divinetruth.com/PDF/People/Other/Jane%20Sherwood%20-%20Post%20Mortem%20Journal.pdf

This is..one of those..propositions..which are impossible..to prove without proof,..since no one..can say..when their hour would have struck ..*had they..not anticipated it.

i..feel my..hour draws near

It is a fact..that this stage of coma
lasts..for varying periods,..but there is..also a long period of
unconsciousness..in many [who have come..by violent deaths.]..A suicide differs..from such a one..because his emotional state
is..usually far worse..and thus..takes much longer to clear..

but..a long period of coma..
may supervene..on death..in either case.>>..

and im reading..the signs..of the times

Time on earth..is relative/to the need..[use]..for the 'human' separated-ness..[di-vision..dire-version]..as shock therapy..for spirit realm..

but its a failed..system..that was
bound to fail..indeed set up..to fail

thus least..the dreaming..turn..into nightmare
many are feeling energy slow..and anger rise..

heaven..dont need a repeat..of this
http://new-birth.net/booklet/Subaltern_Spirit_Land.pdf

ignored..that
http://new-birth.net/booklet/Gone_West.pdf

and has become..so troubled..that..

[lets leave it at that]

a bed time/parable

<<>...and the duration of unconsciousness..to the sufferer is immaterial..Eventually..he must awaken and take..on the task of fitting himself..to enter..his own appropriate sphere of being.

This is where..he can be and is helped...There is/often.;/.a long convalescence..before he can get free..of the sin and suffering of his violent end...

we..know..how it ends
only the timing..was uncertain..
men hold freewill..even now its not set in stone

but the signs..reveal..the wind,..is restless..as the horseman..rush..about..from here to there..desperately..trying to clutch..and gather in..the last straw..leaking from the straw-man..that bleeds its life blood to sustain..a dying system..must it be it dies..or just us?

ahhhh..men
mene mene men,,EH?
the writing..is on..the wall.

thats all

stand..to gather..as one..or fall..together?
man..is no island..yet read 'the blue island'..[in pdf]...just in case
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 13 October 2013 5:53:06 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
relates
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE04WIB9V10&list=PLHQMwWIhNeqwYzbDmJuo-aczCcCnF80s0
Posted by one under god, Friday, 18 October 2013 7:39:59 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
update..the natives..are restless
yet..havnt made..a land claim..on..the island
so this..clan/custodian line..may..have expired

regardless..
[i..shall pay any..monetary-tithe..due to them..too

anyhow..it.shall_be on earth..as it.l.is in..heaven
so lets get..on with comprehending..heaven..[i began it here]
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=0

..but its..now clear..like pearl..before peers..[no-one hears]

anyhow continuing from..page 48
JESUS..wrote!

What..you/do..NOT realize..is that..the mind
can mis-create..[make injurious/hurtful..creations]..
only..when..he is NOT..free...[ie..when he lets..fear..draw near]..

An...imprisoned/mind..is not free.
by definition...It is..possessed.. or..held back,
drawn..into delusion..into/of/by/for..being..of ITSELF.

Its..captured/capitulated/defeated..bamboozled will..to act..of self-will ..is therefore..limited,..and not*...free..to assert..itself.

B..RECALL..The/three things..that crossed..your mind,
which was..comparatively free..at..the time,..are perfectly relevant:..to the learning..of these..times

sadly johan..doth..it
in..rhyme

1...It/is alright..to remember..the past,
provided..you also.remember..that ANYTHING..*you suffer..
is because of..YOUR OWN..free-wiled [wilful].ERRORS...[not gods will]

2...In this context,[of..recognition..of self-ish..errors]..
your*/remark..that..“after..the burning,..I swore..if I//ever saw/him
again,..I would..(not)

(“Not” was..written..in later)
that..i would not..recognize him...Note,

by the way,..that..you did not..put in
the “not”..*until afterwards...That..is because..of..your inherent..inner...[ego/id]..correction device..that was working..properly at..this time..IN..the moment.

The..resul.. is
that you..are NOT..DENYING..ME.

3...The story..about Hinda...This was..an excellent/example
of miss-perception..which/led to..a totally..unwarranted fear..of a PERSON...

(HS story..refers to..a very young child..
who/fell..down..the stairs..when HS..had arms open..in..a welcoming gesture..at bottom..of stairs.

For years..afterwards,..Hinda screamed..upon seeing HS.)

The one..mis-step..which caused her/fall..
had nothing..at all..to do with you,..just as..your own mis-steps..have nothing..*at all..to do/with me.

Denial..of error..is a..very powerful..defense of truth.
We..have slowly..been shifting..the/emphasis..from..the negative to the positive..use..of denial.

Remember,..we have..already/stated..that denial
is not..a purely negative device;..if/it results..in positive mis-creation...That is..the way..the mentally ill..DO employ it.

But remember..a very early/thought..of your own,
“Never underestimate..the power of..denial.”..In the
service..of the..“Right Mind”,..the denial..of ERROR..frees..the mind and..reestablishes/the freedom..of the will.

When the will..is REALLY free,..it..cannot mis-create,
because..it recognizes..ONLY TRUTH....error/Projection..arises out of FALSE DENIAL...Not out of..its proper use...

My own role..in the Atonement..IS one..of true projection,..
i.e.,..I can..project..to YOU the..affirmation..of truth.

If/thus..you project error...to me..(or to yourself)
you are interfering..with the process...My use of/projection,..which can..also be yours,..is NOT based on..faulty denial...

But it DOES/involve..the very
powerful use..of the denial..of error.

The miracle..worker..is one..who accepts..my kind..of
denial..and projection,..unites his/own inherent abilities...to deny and project..with mine,..and thus..imposes them..back upon himself..inwardly..rather than projectively..[positively]

go lamb island
remember..all money raised
goes to..the playgroup-little lambs.
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 19 October 2013 12:10:44 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
It..is indeed..an opinion
strangely..prevailing amongst men,..that houses, mountains, rivers,..and in a word..all sensible..objects have..an existence natural or real,..*distinct from..their being perceived..by the understanding..written into any paper...declaring artificial authority..over other.,

But..with/how..great..an assurance..and acquiescence soever
this principle..may be entertained..in the world;..yet whoever shall find in his heart..to call it..in question, may,..if I mistake not, perceive it..to involve a manifest contradiction.

For what..are..the forementioned/objects..but the things we perceive by sense,..and what do we perceive..besides our own ideas or sensations; and is it not plainly..repugnant that..any one/of these or any combination..of them..should exist..unperceived?

Berkeley presents..here/the following argument
(see Winkler 1989, 138):

(1) We perceive..ordinary objects
houses, mountains, etc.).

(2) We perceive..only ideas.
[our creations..and..the creations..of other..[such as state/

Therefore,

(3) Ordinary objects..are ideas.
we havnt..as yet..validated..as not..of..our creation..warrant.

The argument is valid,..and premise..(1) looks hard to deny.
What about premise..(2)? Berkeley believes..that this premise is accepted by..all the modern philosophers. In the Principles, Berkeley is operating..within the idea-theoretic tradition of the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries.

In particular, Berkeley believes..that some version..of this premise is accepted by..his main targets,..the influential philosophers Descartes and Locke.

However, Berkeley..recognizes that these philosophers
have an obvious..response available to this argument.

This response blocks Berkeley's inference to (3)
by distinguishing..two sorts of perception, mediate and immediate. Thus,..premises (1) and (2) ..are replaced by the claims..that (1..we mediately perceive ordinary objects, while..(2;) we immediately perceive..only ideas.

From these claims,..of course,
no idealist conclusion follows.

The response reflects..a representationalist..theory of perception, according to which..we indirectly..(mediately) perceive material things, by directly..(immediately)..perceiving ideas, which are mind-dependent items. [revelation]

The ideas..represent external material objects,
and thereby..allow us to perceive them...in mind

just as contracts/constitutes/warrants..are on..paper
and the binding[bonding]..of the spoken word/hand-shake

Whether Descartes,Malebranche,..and Locke..were representation-alists of this kind..is a matter of some controversy..(see e.g. Yolton 1984, Chappell 1994).

However, Berkeley surely..had good grounds..for understanding his predecessors..in this way:..it reflects..the most obvious interpretation of Locke's account..of perception and Descartes' whole procedure in the Meditations..tends to suggest..this sort of view, given the meditator's..situation..as someone contemplating..her own ideas,..trying to determine.whether something external corresponds to them.

2.1.2 The..likeness/principle

no..that wasnt jesus
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/berkeley/
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 19 October 2013 12:29:27 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
as it..becomes more..and more secure;
and..assumes its natural talent..of protecting/others.
The inner self..knows itself..as of ..the light../as both a brother AND..a son.[sun..of the light/de-light].

(The above notes..written.very slowly.
When HS asked..about this,.she was told,
“don’t worry..about the notes../.They are right,
but YOU..are not..sufficiently..Right-Minded..yet..to write about the Atonement...with comfort...in time..You..will write...about it..yet with joy.)

(Aside..from HS:
Last night..I felt briefly..but intensely depressed,..temporarily under/the impression..that I was..abandoned...I tried,..but couldn’t get through..at all...

After a/while,..I decided..to give up..for
the time being,..and..He said,..“don’t worry...I will never
leave..or forsake..you.”

I..did feel..a little..better,..and decided
I was..really..not sick,..so I could..return to my..exercises...While I was exercising,..I had some..part-vision..experiences..which I found..only..mildly frightening..at times,..and quite reassuring..at others.

I am not..too sure./of the sequence,..but..it
began..with a..VERY clear assurance..of love,and..an equally clear emphasis..on my own great value,beauty and purity...Things got a
little confusing..after that.

First,..the idea..of “Bride..of Christ”..occurred..to me
with vaguely/inappropriate..“undertones”...Then..there was a repetition..of ..the way..of Love”,..and a/restatement..of an/earlier experience,..

now..as if it were..FROM Him..TO me:
“Behold the..Handmaid of..the Lord;..Be it
done..unto you according..to His Word.”..(This threw me..into
panic before,..but at that time,..it was stated..in the more..accurate Biblical/phrasing:..“Be it/done..unto ME..according to HIS-Word.”

This time..I was a bit uneasy,..but remembered..I had mis-
perceived..it last time,..and was probably..still not..seeing it right.

Actually,..it is really..just a statement/of allegiance.to
the Divine Service,..which can/hardly..be dangerous.

Then..there was..a strange sequence,..in which..Christ
*seemed to be..making very/obvious advances,..which became..quite sexual..in my perception/of them...I ALMOST/thought..briefly that he turned..into a devil.

I got just..a little scared,..and..the possession/idea..came
in..for a while,..but I thought..it..SO silly,..that there..is no point..in taking..it/seriously.

(As..I am writing..this,..I remember..that thing
in the book..about..the demon-lover,..which once..[THROUGH me
(note/spelling,..“threw”)..threw..into a fit...I am upset,..but the spelling-slip..is reassuring.

This/morning we..reviewed..the whole episode.
He said..he was..“VERY pleased..at the..COMPARATIVE lack..of fear, and..also..the concomitant/awareness..that it WAS..my misperception.

This showed..much greater strength,.;.and a much..increased Right-
Mindedness...This is because..defenses are now..being used much better,..on behalf of..*truth..more than error,..though not completely..so.

The weaker use of mis-projection is shown by my recognition that it can’t REALLY
be that way, which became possible as soon as denial was applied against error, NOT
truth. This permitted a much greater awareness of alternative interpretations.
page/54
http://miraclevision.com/acim/urtext/acim-urtext-2003-upe-ready-edition.pdf
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 20 October 2013 2:04:46 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
The spiritual eye..literally CANNOT SEE..[error],
and merely looks..for,,the signs..of the Atonement.[life/love/light/logic/law/reason/grace/mercy..at one meant.[love..of other applied]

All the solutions..which the physical eyes seek,..dissolve..in its truth seeing..in-sight...The spiritual eye,..which looks within, recognizes immediately..that the altar/[heart]..has been defiled, and needs to be repaired..and protected.

Perfectly aware of the RIGHT/defense,..excludes offense..as it surpasses over all others,..looking past error to truth...Because of the real strength..of ITS vision,..lies beyong..subdi-vision]..it pulls the will..eye..into its own service,..and forces the mind/why..to concur.

This reestablishes the true power..of the will, and makes it increasingly unable to tolerate delay.*..[impatience/hurt anger/frustrations]..The mind..LY*..then realizes,..with increasing certitude,..that delay is only a way of/increasing unnecessary pain, which it need not tolerate..*at all.

The pain threshold drops accordingly,.and the mind becomes increasingly sensitive..to what it would once have regarded as very minor intrusions..of discomfort.

The Children of God..are entitled to perfect comfort,,,which comes from a sense of perfect trust. Until they achieve this,..they waste themselves..and their true creative power..*

on useless attempts to make themselves..more comfortable by inappropriate means.

But..the real means..is ALREADY provided,
and does not..involve any efforts..on their part at all.
Their egocentricity.usually misperceives this as personally insulting,

an miss-interpretation..which obviously..arises from their misperception..of themselves...by insertion..of the worst..seen..in other..[the fears]..into/ourselves.

Egocentricity and..communion cannot coexist.
Even the terms themselves are contradictory.

The Atonement is the only gift..which is worthy
of being offered..to the Altar of God.

This is because of the inestimable value..of the Altar[heart].. itself...It was created perfect,..and is..entirely worthy of receiving perfection.

God IS lonely without..His Souls,
and THEY are/lonely without Him.

Remember the “spiritual” (a very good term)
which begins..with

“And God..stepped down..from Heaven[with/in][him]
and said:..I’M lonely..i think..i will-I’ll make ME a World.”

The..world WAS..a way of healing the Separation,..[of the all knowing..know it all..seeking but peers[equals]..top abate..his alone-ness..and the Atonement..is the GUARANTEE that..the device will ultimately..do so.

(HS request/for..special message for B.
Tell B that..his delaying tactics..[wrought..of delusional/fear]..are holding him..back. He does not really understand..detachment, distance-iation, and withdrawal...

He is..interpreting them*
as..“holding himself aloof”..from the Atonement.)
Posted by one under god, Monday, 21 October 2013 7:33:59 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
You and B.illusion..you
Both believe..that “being afraid” is involuntary.

But I have told you many/times..that only CONSTRUCTIVE acts should be involuntary. We said that Christ-control..can take over everything that DOESN’T matter,..and Christ-guidance..can direct everything
that DOES,

if you so will.

BUT*

Fear cannot..be Christ-controlled,
but it CAN..be self-controlled. Fear is always..associated with what does not matter...

It prevents Me..from controlling it...because..your will/wills it

The correction/is therefore a matter of YOUR will,..because its presence shows that you have raised the UNIMPORTANT to a higher level than it warrants.

You have thus brought it under your
will, where it DOES NOT belong.

This means..YOU feel responsible for it. The level
confusion here..is perfectly obvious.

The reason that I cannot CONTROL fear..*for you is that you are attempting to raise to
the mind level..the proper content of the lower-order reality.

I do NOT foster level
confusion, but you..can will to correct it.

You would not tolerate insane behavior..on your part, and would hardly advance the
excuse that you could not help it.

Why should you tolerate insane thinking? There is a
fallacy here you would do well to look at clearly.

You both believe that you ARE responsible for what you DO, but NOT for WHAT
you THINK.

The truth is that you ARE responsible for what you THINK, because it is only
at this level that you CAN exercise choice...What you DO..comes from what you think

You cannot separate the truth..by giving autonomy to your behavior. This is controlled by
Me automatically, as soon as..you place what you think under my guidance.
Whenever you are afraid,
it is a sure sign that you
have allowed your mind to miscreate,

i.e., have NOT allowed..Me,,of the heart..to guide it.

It is pointless to believe..that controlling the outcome
of mis-Thought can result in real healing...When you are fearful, you have willed wrongly.

This is why..you feel..you are responsible for it.
You must change your MIND,..not your behavior, and..this IS a matter of will.

You do
not need guidance EXCEPT at the mind-level.
Correction belongs..ONLY at that level..you will;

where creation..is possible...dont create..,hurtfull,delusions.
Posted by one under god, Monday, 21 October 2013 7:45:14 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
The term..does not/really mean..anything..at the symptom-level,..where..it cannot work...
The correction..of..the error..of fear..IS your responsibility.

When.you ask..for release..from fear,
you are..implying..that it..isn’t...from you..
but..that..*you fear..it comes..from me.

You/should ask,..instead,..for my/help..
in the conditions*..which have brought..the fear about.
This condition..*always entails..a separated Mind-willingness...At this level,..you CAN..help it...or end it.

You are..much too tolerant..of Mind-wandering,
thus passively..your..condoning its
miscreation.[fear]

The..particular/result..never matters,..
but..this fundamental(*..error DOES...The/fundamental-correction is always*..the same...Before*..you will*..to do..*anything,.ask Me..if
your will..is in accord..with Mine...[motivated..of love..of other].

If you..are sure..that it..IS,..
there/will,not..,cannot..BE ..no fear.

Fear..is always.a sign..of strain,..which arises..
whenever..the WILL to do..conflicts with..the why..and wherefores..of WHAT..you really*..want..to do.

This situation/arises ..in two/major-ways:

1)..You can ..will to do..conflicting things,..
either simultaneously..or successively...This..produces/conflicting behavior,..which would..be tolerable..to the self..(though/not necessarily..to others)..except for the fact.that the part_of the will..that wants..something ELSE..is outraged.

2)You..can BEHAVE..as you think..you should,
but..without..entirely WILLING.;/to do so...This produces..consistent behavior,..but..entails great strain..WITHIN..the..now divided-self.

If..you think..about it,..you will..realize
that.in both cases;./.the will.and the behavior are
out-of-accord,.;.resulting..in a..stressful..situation..with/in..which you are doing..*what you do NOT will.

This..arouses a..sense of coercion,..which usually/produces rage.[which..attrtacts demons..as it re[pulses..angels[ouir negative hurt=poisen..to the light beings..[yet the drak-fortces..love it..

The anger..then..invades..the/mind,..
and..projection..in..the wrong sense..becomes likely.

Depression..or anxiety are..virtually..certain.

Remember..that..whenever/there is fear,..
it is because..*YOU have NOT ..MADE UP/YOUR MIND...
Your will \..is split..[di-vided]..,..and your behavior..inevitably becomes erratic.

Correcting..at ..the behavior level..can shift
the error..from the first type..to the second,..but will NOT
obliterate..the fear.

It is/possible..to reach..a state..in which
you bring..your will..under my guidance..without/much conscious effort,..but this implies..the kind of habit/pattern..which neither you nor B...has developed,,dependably as yet..

[Tell B...that although
he keeps telling..you ..that God
will never..ask you to do..more/than you can,..that....he does not understand..it himself.

God..*CANNOT ask..more..
than that..you WILL...for.
The strength..to DO comes..from your own..*undivided will*..[passion]..to do.

If you..consider..what the process..really means,
it is nothing..more than,,a series of/pragmatic steps..in the larger process of accepting..the At-one/ment..of all..with all..as THE remedy...

From
this viewpoint,..the steps..
can be..reworded..as follows:

edited

http://miraclevision.com/acim/urtext/acim-urtext-2003-upe-ready-edition.pdf
continues..57
Posted by one under god, Monday, 21 October 2013 8:13:15 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
see wikseed/wikigeld..why./.it was first formed
is our money system..has been stolen..[and besides ya cant eat gold]..but one pound of seed..you can make into 42.000..products..plus eat it too.

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=constitutionlegal+tender+au

Generally, powers in section 51 of the Constitution of Australia

*..nor..make anything but gold or silver coin.a legal tender in the payment of debts”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_51_(xii)_of_the_Constitution_of_Australia

RBA Banknotes: Legal Tender -
Reserve Bank of Australia Banknotes
banknotes.rba.gov.au/legal tender.html

Australian banknotes are a legal tender throughout Australia
(this is provided in section 36(1) of the Reserve Bank Act 1959).

A payment of coins is a legal a lawful tender

THE ONLY LAWFUL TENDER
so..why cant we pay debt..in/coin

cause..under the note system..[a bank*bill..REALLY..IS A BILL
at best its a debt receipt..[and paper debt is fictional debt
lawful tender cannot be used to..commit crime..yet

*they..DEBASED THE CROWNS COIN
seek to end..the coin-age
[rage]..

her hrh..face on the back..
WAS.assurance of weight/quality..of the coin
[in pounds shilling penny WEIGHTS..even..a dollar..is a specific weight quality....

all coin was by WEIGHTS..a pound was a promise to pay in..coin..
[pay bearer..one pound sterling silver*

thing is..

its all..inverted..fiat=/means=by decree
its only value..when..govt says it is
but in reality..its only an..iou

[a check]..payable..in..other paper only..

unless some mug gives you goods..for it..cause they are lawful...imbeciles..[legal term for ignorance's][wards of the state]..

how it happened..was bankers BOUGHT UP GOVT WAR BONDS
then DEMANDED ..instant payment..IN GOLD SILVER COIN..no silver
WE/they defaulted[was legally BANKRUPT*ed..by colluded bwankers

we were bankrupted..and then the thieves really began looting ALL THE GOLD..all the silver..all the copper[now they want our copper cables from our phone system

thee gold WASNT SOLD
it was LEASED..it needs to..be returned..but they sold it

thats like you..leasing someones car..or house..then SELLING-IT*..[plus keeping the proceeds of crime]..plus..so..much extra unspeakable treason's

we need to repeat..what that ling did..AUDIT EVERYTHING..to see who claims what][no lawful title exists..for things stolen..from us all

simply having it..is proof of crime
see how nuts the treasonous lawyers have made things

recall..that 1/3..rds..the bank of england..
was bought..by a tax stick..[fraud..thus guy faulks set the tally sticks afire..[nearly burned down..parliament house..JUST..to hide that FRAUD..PROCEEDS OF CRIME*!*
Posted by one under god, Monday, 21 October 2013 2:58:17 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
ok..the vote was held..from 426..residents
83 took the..choice to vote..49..happy to succeed..34 no
it seem the war is over..

note souvenir sales proceeds go..
to the little lambs playgroup

oh well the concept..goes on..
so what would jesus rule look like[when it becomes on..earth..as it is in..heaven]..for one.money goes..and people..live only on.their earned-credit..[as you give so shall you receive..but skip..free-styling./.on with..the edit..page..62]

The idea.of,.,“will-THERAPY”..was potentially./a very powerful..one, but..Rank did..not/see..its real..potential..the unfortunate..acceptance of..the deprivation-fallacy,
which itself..arose from..the Separation...

This..led him..to believe/errantly..that his..own mind-creation..could stand only*..if..the creation..of..another’s fell...again..incorrect.

In..consequence,..his theory..emphasized/rather..than
minimized..the two/edged..nature of..divisive..karmic/defenses.

This..is an..outstanding/characteristic..of his concepts,..because it
was..outstandingly true..of him...He also.misinterpreted the birth-trauma ..in a way..that made it inevitable..for him...to/attempt a therapy whose..goal was..to ABOLISH FEAR.

This..is..characteristic..of all later theorists,
who..do not..attempt,..as Freud did,..to split off..the fear..in his own form..of therapy...No one..as yet..has fully recognized..either the therapeutic..*value of fear,..or the only..way in..which it/can be..truly ended.

When man..miscreates,..he IS..in pain.
The cause..and/effect principle..here..is temporarily..a real expeditor.

Actually,..Cause is..a term properly/belonging..to God,..
and Effect,..which should..also be..capitalized,..is HIS Sonship.
This..entails..a set of cause..and effect/relationships..which are totally/different..from those which/man introduced..into the..personalized-Miscreation.[illusory/injurious]

The fundamental..opponents.in..the real/basic conflict..are Creation and miscreation...*All fear..is implicit..in the second,..just as..all love..is inherent..with-in..the first...Because of..this
difference,..the basic conflict..IS one between..love ..and fear.

LET THAT..BE CLEAR*
the base/conflict=between..LOVE/\fear

So..much,/then,..for the..true nature..of
the major opponents..in the..basic conflict...
Since/all such theories..lead to a form..of therapy..in which a re-distribution..of psychic energy/results,..it is necessary**next

*to consider..OUR concept..of libido
next...In this respect,..Freud was/more accurate..than
his followers,..who were..essentially..more wishful...than applicable.

Energy..will/must..CAN emanate..from...both Creation and miscreation,..dependent..on the..initiating-force..of..mind..
of..the original-projection..of the..intensity..[of emotive emission]..enacting..its belief..as informing form..

and.the particular..ratio between/them..at a given
point..in time..DOES determine behavior..at that time...as much as after

If miscreation..did NOT..engender/energy..in its own right,
it would be..unable to produce..destructive behavior,..which it very
patently..DOES...Everything that..man creates..IS ENERGy..has energy because,..like the..ENERGIZED_Creation..of God,..they..(it/he/we)
come..FROM energy,..and remain..allways..ENERGY..according to..the form..the energy per-forms..informs

and..each..are endowed..by..our..creator..with the power..to create.
Miscreation..is still..a genuine creative..act..in terms of.the underlying IMPULSE,..*but..NOT in terms..of the CONTENT..of the creation.[E}

This,..however,..does not..deprive the..creation..of its OWN creative power...It DOES,..however,..GUARANTEE..that the power[uses]....will..be misused,..or ab-USED FEARFULLY.

To deny this..is merely..the previously/mentioned..fallacy..of depreciation...Although/Freud made..a number of fallacies..of his own,..yet..he DID avoid..this one..in connection with..wit..
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 22 October 2013 7:14:42 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
The later..theorists denied..the split-energy concept,
not..by attempting to heal it,..but by reinterpreting it..instead of redistributing it.

This placed them in the illogical position of assuming that the split which their..therapies were intended to heal had not occurred. The result of this approach is essentially,a form of hypnosis.

This is quite different from Freud’s approach,
which merely ended in..a deadlock.
A similar deadlock occurs when both the power of Creation and of miscreation..coexist. This is experienced as conflict only because the individual feels AS IF both were..occurring AT THE SAME LEVEL.

He BELIEVES in what he has created in his own..unconscious and he naturally believes it is real BECAUSE he created it. He, thus, places
himself in a position where the fearful becomes REAL.

Nothing but level-confusion..can result
as long as this belief..is held..*in ANY form.

Inappropriate denial and equally inappropriate identification of the REAL factors in the/basic conflict will NOT solve the problem itself.

The conflict CANNOT disappear until it..is fully recognized that miscreation is NOT real, and therefore there IS no conflict. This
entails a full realization of the basic fact, although man has miscreated in a very real..sense, he need neither continue to do so, nor to suffer from his past errors in this respect.

A redistribution of psychic energy,..then,.is NOT the solution.
Both the idea that both..kinds..*MUST exist,..and the belief that ONE kind is amenable..*for use or misuse, are real distortions.

The ONLY way is to STOP MISCREATING NOW,
and accept the Atonement..for miscreations of the past.

Only this can re-establish true single-mindedness.

The structure of the psyche, as..you very correctly noted yourself, follows along the lines of the particular libido concept..the theorist employs.

(I still think..it was the other way around - -

HS. Answer: This..confusion arises out of the fact that you DID change the order - - several times in fact.

Actually, it didn’t matter,..because
the two concepts..DO flow from each other.

It was a..TERRIFIC waste of time,
and one in which I hardly care..to become engaged...myself.

PLEASE!)
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 22 October 2013 12:39:22 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Freud’s psyche was essentially..a good and evil picture,
with very heavy weight..given to the evil...This is because everytime I mentioned the Atonement to him, which..was quite often, he responded//by defending his theory more and more against it.

This..resulted in his increasingly strong attempts to make the illogical sound more and more/logical...I was very sorry about this, because his..was a singularly good mind, and it was a..shame to waste it.

However, the major purpose of his incarnation was not neglected. He
DID succeed in forcing recognition of the unconscious into man’s calculations about..himself, a step in the right direction which should not be minimized.

Freud was one of,,the most religious men I have known recently. Unfortunately, he was so afraid of religion..that the only way he could deal with it was to regard IT (not himself) as sick.

This..naturally prevented healing..Freud’s superego is a particularly interesting example of the real power of miscreation...It is noteworthy throughout the whole development of his theories that the superego/never allied itself with freedom.

The most it could do in this direction was to work out a..painful truce in which both opponents LOST. This perception could not fail to force him..to emphasize discontent in his view of civilization.

The Freudian id is really only the more superficial level of the unconscious, and not/the deepest level at all..This, too, was inevitable, because Freud could not divorce miracles.from magic.[miracle]

It was therefore his constant endeavor,
(even preoccupation) to keep on..thrusting more and more material between consciousness and the real deeper level of..the unconscious, so that the latter became increasingly obscured.

The result was a kind.of bedlam, in which there was no order, no control, and no sense. This was exactly how..he FELT about it.

The later theoretical switch the primace of anxiety was an interesting device intended...to deny both the instinctive nature of destructiveness, and the force of the power of..miscreation.

By placing the emphasis on the RESULT,
the generative nature of the power..was minimized.
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 22 October 2013 12:44:18 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Destructive behavior IS instinctual. The instinct for creation is NOT obliterated in
miscreation. That is why it is always invested with reality. One of the chief ways in which
man can correct his magic-miracle confusion is to remember that he did not create himself.
He is apt to forget this when he becomes egocentric, and this places him in a position
where belief in magic is virtually inevitable. His instincts for creation were given him by
his own Creator, who was expressing the same instinct in His Creation. Since the creative
ability rests solely in the mind, everything which man creates is necessarily instinctive.
(This goes after basic conflict theory.) (Dictated without notes by HS)
We have already said that the basic conflict is one between love and fear, and that
the proper organization of the psyche rests on a lack of level confusion. The section on
psychic energy should be re-read very carefully, because it is particularly likely to be
misinterpreted until this section is complete.
It has already been said that man CANNOT control fear, because he himself created
it. His belief in it renders it out of his control by definition. For this reason, any attempt to
resolve the basic conflict thru the concept of mastery of fear is meaningless. In fact, it
asserts the power of fear by the simple assumption that it need be mastered at all.
The essential resolution rests entirely on the mastery of love. In the interim, conflict
is inevitable. The reason for this is the strangely illogical position in which man had
placed himself. Since we have frequently emphasized that correction must be applied
within the level that error occurs, it should be clear that the miracle MUST be illogical
because its purpose is to correct the illogical and restore order.
Two concepts which CANNOT coexist are nothing and everything. To whatever
extent one is believed in, the other HAS BEEN abolished. In the conflict, fear is really
nothing, and love is really everything. (This recognition is really the basis for the castration
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 22 October 2013 12:45:41 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
complex.) This is because whenever light penetrates darkness, it DOES abolish it. The
unwillingness to be seen, or submit error to light, is spuriously associated with active
doing. In this incarnation, this can take the form of oedipal involvement and concomitant
castration anxiety.
However, in more long range and meaningful terms, the oedipal complex is a
miniature of the true Separation fear, and the castration complex is a way of denying that
it ever occurred.
Like all pseudo-solutions, this kind of distorted thinking is very creative, but false.
The Separation HAS occurred. To deny this is merely to misuse denial. However, to
concentrate on error is merely a further misuse of legitimate psychic mechanisms. The
true corrective procedure, which has already been described as the proper use of the
spiritual eye (or true vision), is to accept the error temporarily, but only as an indication
that immediate correction is mandatory. This establishes a state of mind in which the
Atonement can be accepted without delay.

64

http://miraclevision.com/acim/urtext/acim-urtext-2003-upe-ready-edition.pdf
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 22 October 2013 12:46:13 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
without delay.

It is worth repeating that ultimately..there is no compromise possible between..everything and nothing...The purpose of time is essentially a device by which all..compromise in this respect can be abolished.

It seems to be abolished by degrees precisely..because time itself involves a concept of intervals which does not really exist.

The faulty/use of creation has made.this necessary as a corrective device...“And God so loved the world..that He gave his only begotten Son.so that whosoever..believeth..on Him shall/not perish*

but..have Eternal Life”
needs only one slight correction..to be
entirely meaningful in this context...It should read

“And God so loved the world that
he gave it..TO His only begotten Son.”

It should be noted that God
HAS begotten only..*ONE Son.

If you believe.that all of
the Souls..that God created..ARE His Son,..and if you also
believe..that..you..and his Sunship..*is One,..*then every Soul..*MUST be..a Sun/light..of God ,..or an integral part .of the Sonship.

we are enjoined..living-MORTAL-HEIRS..
of all..of our immortal/eternal fathers estates

CUSODIAN-ship*
wartd-ship

that ye..do to..the least..we do..to the most.

You do not..find..the concept
that the whole..is greater than its parts..too..difficult..to understand.>?

You should..therefore not have..too great difficulty..with this.

The/Son-ship in its Oneness..
DOES transcend..the sum of its parts...However,
it loses this special-state..as long as..*any of its parts are missing.

This is why..the conflict cannot..ultimately be
resolved..UNTIL..the sum/all..of the individual parts..of the Sonship have returned...*Only then,..in the/true sense,[spirit-of/the word.. can..the meaning of..wholeness..be understood.[atonement[at_one_meant]

The concept of..minus numbers
has always been..regarded..as a mathematical..rather/than an actual expedient...(This is a major limitation..on mathematics..as presently
understood.).

Any statement which..implies degrees..of difference
*in negation..is essentially..meaningless...
[where..is your..debt..paid-in-full?]

What..can replace..this negative
approach..*is a recognition..of the fact that..

as..long..as one part..(which is the same as...a million or ten or eight millions..of thousand parts)..of the..Sonship is missing,..

*!*>..it is..NOT complete./*!*\

In the..Divine psyche,..the Father.and the Holy Spirit
are not incomplete at all. The..Sonship has..*the unique faculty..of believing in error,..or incompleteness,

\*!*/..if he so selects...\*!*/

http://miraclevision.com/acim/urtext/acim-urtext-2003-upe-ready-edition.pdf

read..it..
he will know..
look at each word..as if..a whole sentence..in mimd pictures

sentience..the..christ..is listening..

now what?

page/65
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 22 October 2013 1:09:15 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
However, it is quite apparent that so to elect IS to believe in the existence of nothingness.
The correction of this error is the Atonement.
We have already briefly spoken about readiness. But there are some additional
awareness which might be helpful. Readiness is nothing more than the prerequisite for
accomplishment. The two should not be confused. As soon as a state of readiness occurs,
there is always some will to accomplish, but this is by no means undivided. The state
does not imply more than the potential for a shift of will. Confidence cannot develop
fully until mastery has been accomplished. We began this section with an attempt to
correct the fundamental human error that fear can be mastered. The Correction was that
ONLY love can be mastered. When I told you that you were “ready for Revelation”, I did
not mean that you had in any way mastered this form of communication. However, you
yourself attested to your readiness by insisting that I would not have said so if it had not
been true. This IS an affirmation of readiness. Mastery of love necessarily involves a
much more complete confidence in the ability than either of you has attained. But the
readiness at least is an indication that you believe this is possible. This is only the beginning
of confidence.
In case this be misunderstood as a statement that an enormous amount of time will
be necessary between readiness and mastery, I would again remind you that time and
space are under My control.
(Dictated without notes by HS)
One of the chief ways in which man can correct his magic-miracle confusion is to
remember that he did not create himself. He is apt to forget this when he becomes
egocentric, and this places him in a position where belief in magic is virtually inevitable.
His instincts for creation were given him by his own Creator, who was expressing
the same instinct in His Creation. Since the creative ability rests solely in the mind,
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 7:49:09 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
everything which man creates is necessarily instinctive.

It also follows that whatever he creates is real in his own eyes, but not necessarily in..the sight of God. This basic distinction leads us directly into the real meaning of the Last/Judgment.

(I am aware of the fact that you would much rather continue with the parallels..involved in other theories of basic conflict. However, this would merely be a delay which.we will engage in only if you regard it as essential.)

the Final Judgment is one of the..greatest..
the great concepts in man’s perception.

This is only because he does not understand it.

Judgment is not an essential attribute of God.
Man brought judgment into being only
because of the Separation.

God Himself is still the God of mercy.

After the Separation,..however, there WAS a place for justice in the schema, because it was one of the many..learning devices which had to be built into the overall plan.

Just as the Separation occurred,over many millions of years, the Last Judgment will extend over a similarly long period,
and perhaps even longer.

Its length depends, however, on the effectiveness of the present
speed-up. We have frequently noted that the miracle is a device for shortening but not..abolishing time.

If a sufficient number of people become truly miracle-minded quickly,the shortening process can be almost immeasurable.

But it is essential that these individuals
free themselves from fear sooner than would ordinarily be the case, because they MUST
emerge from basic conflict it they are to bring peace to the minds of others.

The Last Judgment is generally thought of as a procedure undertaken by God. Actually,
it will be undertaken solely by man, with My help. It is a Final Healing, rather than a
meting out of punishment, however much man may think punishment is deserved.
Punishment as a concept is in total opposition to Right-Mindedness.

The aim of the Final
Judgment is to RESTORE Right-Mindedness TO man.
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 7:54:53 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
The Final Judgment..might be..correctly/called..a process of Right-evaluation...
It simply means..that finally.*all men..must come to understand..of..what is worthy..[of/love]..and..what..is not.

After this,..their ability/to..choose can be..reasonably directed. Unless..this distinction..has been made,the vacillations..between free-will..and..imprisoned..will cannot..but continue.

The first step..toward freedom,.then,..MUST entail
a sorting/out..of the false..from the true..This is a
process/of division..only in the..constructive-sense,..and reflects the..true meaning..of the..Apocalypse.

Man will..ultimately..look upon/his..own creations,..and will to preserve..only/what is good,..just as God Himself..once looked upon what..he had created,..and knew that..it WAS good.

At this/point,..the Will/will begin..to look..with love..on its creations,..because..of their great/worthiness.

The mind..will inevitably..disown..its hurtful/judgmental..miscreations,..and having withdrawn/belief..from
them,..they will..no longer.exist.

The term..Last Judgment..is frightening,..not only/because..it has been..[willfully]..falsely projected..*onto God,..but also because of the association..of..“Last”..with.physical-death.

This..is an..outstanding
example..of upside-down..inverted-perception.
Actually,..if it is..examined objectively,..it is quite
apparent..that it/is..really the doorway..to life.

*No man..who lives..in fear..is really alive.

His..*own final-judgment..cannot be directed..toward himself,
because he..is not his..own creation...He can apply it..meaningfully, and..at any time,..to everything..he has ever/created,..and retain in his real-memory..only..what is good...This is..what hiw-own..Right-
Mindedness..cannot but.dictate.

The purpose..of time..is solely to..“give him
the space..of time”..to achieve..this right-judgment...process.

It is..his/own perfect..judgment..of his/own creation's.
When everything..that he retains..is lovable,..[of love]..there is no reason..for..*any fear..to remain..in him.

This IS his part..in the Atonement.
All learning..involves attention..and study at..some level.

This course.is a MINDTRAINING..course..Good students assign study periods for themselves...However,..since/this obvious step has not occurred to you,.and since we are cooperating in this, I will
make the obvious assignment now.

B.is better at understanding..the need to study..the notes than you are,..but neither of..you realizes that many..of the problems you keep being faced...with may ALREADY have been solved there.

YOU do not..think of the notes..in this way at all.
B DOES..from time to..time,..but he generally says,

“Its..probably..in the notes,”..
and..then..DOESN’T..even try..to look it up.

HE..believes that,..although..he reads them..over/over,
they..cannot REALLY*..help him..until..they are/complete.
First of all,..he cannot be sure..of this unless,,he tries.

Second,..they would BE..*
completed..if both..of you..so willed.

nothing/changes..eh loki?
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 8:14:00 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
You..vaguely know..that..the course..is intended..for some/sort of preparation...I can..only say..that you..are not prepared.

I..was amused..when you..reminded B...that..he,.too,..was being prepared..for something..quite unexpected,..and/he said,..he was..not at all..curious..about..what it was...my expectation.

This disinterest..is very characteristic..of him..when he is afraid...Interest .and fear..do NOT go/together,..as
your respective..fearful[illusery]...human-behavior..clearly shows.

Mental retardation..is a//defense which,..like..the others
[EXCEPT the Atonement],..can/be used.on behalf.of error..*or truth, as..elected...by..our mind'swill.

When it occurs in REALITY,..it is a temporary..device,..agreed on beforehand,..to check the..miscreative/abilities..of strong but misdirected-wills.

It is necessary..that this..appropriate use..of..the defense
BE..*considered real,..because..otherwise..it cannot serve...the..dispelling..of the hurtful/illusory construct..we materialized/mani-festerd..as real..for ourselves.

The lesson involves..not only..the individual himself,
but also..his parents,..siblings,..and all of those who come in close relation with him...The VALUE of..the experience.depends on the need of each..particular learner.

The person..is..of himself..a..POOR learner,..by definition,
is..only as a step..toward changing..from a bad-weill to a good one..fulfilled.

Mental retardation..[willful ignorance/
abeyance's..ill-wrought..can..also be used..as a maladaptive defense, if..the wrong..defense-reflex..[flight].(or [fight]..motivated/activated/attack)..side..is employed...

This produces..the “pseudo-retardation-syndrome”..which is justly/classified..as a..psychiatric..(or disturbed-level)..symptom.

Both of you..do this..all the time.

B...acts..as if he does not..understand..even
his OWN..special language,..let alone..mine,..and..you..cannot/read at all.[thanks be..2.our father..that you scribe]

This ..represents..a joint-attack..on both
yourselves..AND me,..because...it renders YOUR/mind'-will weak,..and mine..thus incompetent.[2b..agrivated..by johan..[and..this teaching..left uncompleted]

Remember,..this..puts you..in a truly..fearful position...by your own will.

If..you cannot..understand
either..your own mind..OR mine,.
you do not..KNOW..what is..really being..
distilled..by that..i willed...into..your hearts/mind.

It is..thus..IMPOSSIBLE to..avoid conflict,/as defined before, because even if/you act..ACCORDING TO my will,..you wouldn’t know it...from your own..many-fold willings.

The next part..of this course..rests too heavily..on
the earlier part..not to REQUIRE its..applie4d/active/participative/intensive-study...Without this,..you will become..much too fearful when the unexpected..revelation...DOES occur..to make constructive use of it.

However,..as you study..the notes,[like a beloved//studies his loved ones face]..you will see..some of the..obvious implications,..unless you still persist..in misusing the defense..of mental retardation.[wilful-deliberated..fear full..ignorance.]

Please remember that..its constructive use,..described above,
is hardly a REAL part of your/own REAL proper equipment...It is a particularly inappropriate defense..as you use it, and..I can only urge you..to avoid it.

The reason..why a solid foundation..is necessary..at this point is because of..the highly..likely confusion..of “fearful” and “awesome,” which..most people..do make.

You will..remember that..we said..once before
that awe..is inappropriate..in connection..with the/Sons-of God, because..you..should not..experience awe..in the..presence of..your own
equals.

page69
http://miraclevision.com/acim/urtext/acim-urtext-2003-upe-ready-edition.pdf
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 8:29:01 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
you..should not experience..awe..in the presence..of your own
equals...But..it WAS emphasized..that awe.IS a proper/reaction..of the Soul*..in the presence/of..its Creator.

So far,..this course...has had only indirect recourse to God,
and rarely..even refers..to.Him directly...I.. have repeatedly emphasized..that awe..is not appropriate*..in connection..with me, BECAUSE of our..inherent equality..[before..each-other]

I..have been careful..to clarify.my own role..in
the Atonement,..without..either over..or under-stating it...I have tried..to do exactly..the same/things..in connection with yours.

The next step,..however,..DOES involve...the direct approach..to God Himself...It would/be most unwise..to start on this step..at all without..very careful preparation,.*or awe.will/surely be confused with..fear,..and the experience..will be more traumatic..than beatific.

Healing..is of God..in..the..beginning..or..at..the end.
The means..are..carefully explained..in the notes.

Revelation..has occasionally..SHOWN you the end,..but to reach it..the means ..are needed...heeded/ceded/seeded.

(The following..INtroduction..dictated by HS..without notes.)

The following..is..*the only detailed-description..which
need be written down..so..as to..reveal..how..[how] error interferes with preparation...The events..specifically referred to here..could be
any events,*..nor does their particular/influence matter.

It is the process..which is/to be
noted here,..and not..its results.

The kind of beliefs,./and the fallacious/premises..involved
in..misthought..are as well exemplified here..as elsewhere. ..There is nothing..of special/interest..about the events described below, EXCEPT..their typical..mundane..nature.

If this is a true/course..in mind-reminding/training,..then the whole value..of this section.rests ONLY in showing you..*what NOT to do.

The more..constructive-emphasis is,..of course,
on the positive..mindset..optimist..entrusting/relaxed approach.

Mind-watching..would have prevented..any of this
from occurring,..and will*..do so..any time..*you permit it to.

(Following..is from notes)
Tell B. that the reason..why he was so strained/yesterday is because he allowed..himself..a number of fear-producing..attitudes.[negative avermenmt's]

They were..fleeting enough..to be more
will-of-the-wisps..than serious will-errors,
but..unless he watches..attentively..for..this kind of thing, he
WILL find the notes fearful, and, knowing him well, will mis-distantiate...

His unprovoked/irritation..was unpardonable..[impatience]..
EXCEPT by himself,..and he did..*not choose*..to pardon it.
YOU did,..but I am afraid..you were under..some strain in doing so.

This was unfortunate,..and weakened..your own ability to behave healthily toward B...at the time,..and late.. also/toward Louis, both of whom..DID act stupidly.

But..one stupidity..at a time is usually/enough. ..you are getting too close..to the misuse..[ab-use]..of mental retardation..when stupidity sets/in all around.

B., having..already weakened himself,..was very
un-miracle-minded,..first by not asking/Dora..if she wanted..a lift in the cab,..which was going..her way...

Even if..she didn’t..want it,>>>..

yes..christ..does mundane..too
he..is ever..near..[NO-FEAR?]..do..try to hear.
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 8:54:09 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
page69

Even/if..she didn’t..want it,..she would/have..been able..to use/the thought.well...There is/probably..no human-error..that/is more fear-provoking..(in..the-will/behavior-conflict/sense)..than countering...*any form of/error..with//further/error.

The result..can be/highly inflammable.[volatile]
so..By reacting..to Dora’s/stupidity..with his own,..all of the elements..which are virtually/certain..to engender fear..have been
provided.[activated/set in-train][pre..being..set-in-stone][fixated]

B..should note..that this is one/of the few times..that he had to wait..for a cab...He/thought..he took care of it.by holding the door of a cab..which did come..*for that lady,..but/he..was misguided..in this belief.

*Beliefs..are THOUGHTS,..and..thus..can
come..under Christ guidance,..*NOT control.

Actually,..by giving..this cab to her,.he was very unkind.to you.
It..was quite apparent..that you were extremely cold,..and also very late...The idea that giving/her the cab..would atone..for his previous errors..was singularly/out of place,..and well/calculated to lead..to further error.

If,.instead of..attempting..to atone..*on his own,..he had
asked..for..my..guidance,..there would/have been..no difficulty whatever..in the cab situation. It..was not necessary/that anyone wait..at all.

B’s..original slight..to Dora,..because of..his
own need..to get home..as he perceived it,..this..stopped him from benefiting..from the time-saving/devise..of the miracle...He would have..gotten home..MUCH/quicker..if/he had..taken time..to use time properly.

YOU..were still..suffering..from strain..(see above),
and..got quite irritated..at the girl..who stood next/to..the door on the side..[which blocked its opening.]..Her presence there/made it necessary..each time the door..was opened..to hold it for a much longer time..than..was necessary,..and you were angry..because this made you cold.

Actually,..the girl was/taking care of..the younger child..who was standing outside,..and both of them..*were really/mentally retarded.

If you/will remember,..the older girl..asked you..very uncertainly about/the bus,..and you were/well..aware at the time..of her extreme uncertainty.

It would/have been..much wiser..had you built up..her confidence, instead of..associating/with her stupidity...This reduced your own efficiency,..and the only thing..that saved you/then was.that you DID remember,..in the cab,.to ask me..about the notes,

instead of/assuming..that you were necessarily..to arrange to meet the next/day..and go over/them.

B...had already become..so misguided/that..it did not occur
to him..that his-own will,..(which/he justified..by..the
contents..of the recent/notes —

a misuse..of truth..only seemingly,,on its
own behalf.. might be questionable...(You took..poor notes yourself here,..because you/got mad..at him..on remembering this.. While you did try/to..will right.in the cab, you did/not..quite succeed.

The error is showing up now.)
B..thus placed himself..in a condition
to experience..a fear rather..than..a love reaction.

(HS..notes/that..she..was going/to..write..
“an/excellent-position,” but..did not..do so.

Answer:..You were/right..about..the misuse..of..“excellent”..here,
and..please..do cross-it..out.

You..are/STILL..angry.
[thus..likely..2b..miss-in/form;ed

page..70
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 9:17:07 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
You are/STILL angry...which..is.An excellent position..for enabeling
miscreation..[this..anger..is not..facilitating..a meaningful approach..to the..resolve..the problem.)

I am..just trying to..create better/learning conditions
for..the study periods. ..We want..as little interference..as possible,..for/VERY good reasons;)

Now,..lets..go back to B;
he WAS..discourteous..when he told you..that HE wanted to keep
the original/copy..of the notes,..having decided..to have them Xeroxed..on his OWN will,/and then..justifying it..by a very slight misinterpretation..of..what I said..about “useful for
others.”

In fact,..if he will.re-read the actual quote,
he will see..that it REALLY means..“useful for HIM.”

You had..interpreted..that way,..and frankly..this was..pretty clear to me at..the time...But this/sort..of thing happens..all the time...

It should,..be noted/however..that the..result..was not only..considerable..and..totally unnecessary/planning on..B’s part,..but also..a/failure..to utilize/what..WAS intended..for him..as a help..for HIMSELF.

And..before/YOU..get/too self-satisfied,
I would/remind you..that you..do it..all the time,..too.

B...acted/inappropriately..toward YOU,..by saying
that..he wanted..to be SURE..that..the/original..was not lost..or dirtied...

It..is noticeable..that,.having/already decided..what.HE wanted/to do,..it..never/occurred..to him..that it/IS..possible that HE might lose..or dirty..them himself,..especially as..he had notentrusted..them to me.

This ..is..a form..of arrogance..that..he would/be much..happier without...He..should also..note..that this..would probably..not have occurred..had/he not..been ALREADY..literally..“off..the beam.”

Bible Dictionary

Beam definition

occurs/as..the rendering..of various Hebrew/words...In 1 Sam...17:7, it means..a weaver's frame..or principal-beam;..in Hab. 2:11,..a crossbea. or girder;
2 Kings 6:2,=5,..a cross-piece..or rafter..of a house;
1 Kings..7:6,..an architectural/ornament..as a projecting step..or moulding; Ezek. 41:25,..a thick plank.

In/the/.New Testament..the word occurs/only..in Matt...7:3,-5,
and Luke..6:41/42,..where it means..a large..piece of wood used for building purposes,..as contrasted/with.."mote"..a small piece..or mere splinter.["Mote"..and.."beam"]became..roverbial..for little..and great faults.

(internal forces..of the beam
and the forces..that are imposed..on the beam support)..include the "moment-distribution/method",..the force..or flexibility/method..and the direct..stiffness method.[so..B..is stiff-necked]

Be/SURE..to tell him..that this pun..is to/reassure him..
that I am/not angry...If he does/not get it,..or does not/like it,..then..

[I know..it is not/very good...The reason..is that
HE put me..in a position where..I can really/give..him very
little..at the moment...But I want him..to know..that I am..*VERY well aware/of..the exceedingly..few time's..he/now..makes errors..of this kind.

He has come..a VERY long way..in this respect.
It seems..a/shame..that he should allow himself..even this much discomfort..from it...I suggest..to YOU..that we*..pray for him,..and I pray..for your..full cooperation..in this.

This..will correct..YOUR errors,as-well
and..help him..to..react/better..to..the work..on..the bookcase,..which may otherwise..lend itself..for misuse..by misprojection.
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 24 October 2013 7:15:28 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
I have promised..to guide you..OUT of problems,
and..will certainly not create them.for you. But this means that you do not undertake to
solve them..yourselves. [A storage problem...is hardly more difficult for me to solve..than a
space problem,.(see comments under special principles for miracle workers.)

You started well in your attempt to pray with me..for B., but ended badly. This is
because..you had already made..a number of earlier errors.

You were wrong to be pleased/with Bill F’s criticism of Rose,..and should not have..enjoyed Bill F’s description of Zanvil”s..caricaturing of her.

You could have laughed..WITH Bill,..but NOT..AT Rose.

Real courtesy NEVER does this. You should know that all God’s children are fully worthy of COMPLETE/courtesy.

You should NEVER join with one..at the EXPENSE of another.
When you called B about joining you, Gene, & Anne at lunch, YOU should have..waited to ask ME....In fact, you should not even have told Anne that you would call. Then
you could have asked B. FIRST..if HE would want to come,..and called ANNE back.

It is true that it was better..that he came,..but
this has nothing to do..with the real issue. There
are ways of treating others..in which ONLY consistent courtesy, even in very little things,..is offered.

This is a VERY HEALING habit to acquire.

B’s answer to your call..was a clear statement of his own sadly conflicted state. He said, “I don’t want to join you,..but that’s ungracious,..so I’ll go.”

Whenever ANY invitation/to join others..in a gracious way is offered, it should ALWAYS be met with respect, although..it need not always be accepted.

However, if it is MET ungraciously..the resulting feeling
may well be one of coercion...This is ALWAYS a split-will reaction.
B. did not solve this by ACTING graciously. The lunch need not have entailed either..mental or physical strain for him, and no “need to escape” should have arisen.

This was..a regression of the unprofitable kind...B. will continue to experience this need from time..to time, until he is willing to realize that there is nothing he needs..or wants to escape..from.
Posted by one under god, Friday, 25 October 2013 4:11:45 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
jesus must have made mention..of this moral-issue
but..is it pearl..before swine?
[the acim..says..there is no swine
not anyone..is un-worthy..of our fathers..highest honors

[kiss principle..there are..two opposites..[opposing..motivating/forces/powers]
love..[em-powering]..and its opposite..[opposing]..FEAR*[dis-em-powering]

hear?

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=acim+homo+sex

http://www.circleofa.org/library/acim-history-issues/copyright/earlier-versions/

The Earlier Versions
and the Editing of A Course in Miracles

by Robert Perry

Life for students of A Course in Miracles used to be simpler than it is today. We had one version of our revered book, and we knew that this version was almost exactly as its scribe, Helen Schucman, heard it, straight from Jesus.

[continues later
reposted..in full here]
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6040&page=0

Under "life issues," I am classing material on sex, homosexuality, selection of partners, the role of the teacher, and parents and children (one of the original miracle principles began with, "Miracles are a blessing from parents to children"23).

Some of this material spoke to personal situations, but much of it discusses these issues in the abstract. So why was it taken out?

She herself gave this impression in the Course's preface:

Only a few minor changes have been made. Chapter titles and subheadings have been inserted in the Text, and some of the more personal references that occurred at the beginning have been omitted. Otherwise the material is substantially unchanged.

Then everything changed. In January of 2000, an earlier version of the Course, called the Hugh Lynn Cayce Version, was disseminated on the Internet.

Later in that same year, an even earlier version, called the Urtext, also became available on the Internet..Both versions showed that the Course..as we knew it had gone through..a far more extensive editing process than anyone..had suspected.

A huge amount of material has been removed..from the notes that Helen originally took down. We know at least 6,000 words.never made it out of her notebooks,..and there may have been many more.

And there are an additional 35,000..words that never made it from the Urtext into the standard Course...

What was removed?
Posted by one under god, Friday, 25 October 2013 9:02:22 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
While..before..we felt..the comfort of knowing..that our scripture, unlike.so many others,..was free of human influence,..we now began to wonder..how much of the Course..was altered by human editors.

We also wondered..which was the.."true" version...Indeed,..the Hugh Lynn Cayce Version..was quickly..published under..the rather in-your-face..title Jesus'..Course in Miracles..(and just as quickly..became unavailable..due to a court..injunction).

Two running/topics are notable...First,..there are several lengthy discussions of Freud,..pointing out the strengths..and weaknesses of his system and..at times,.of his character.

Second,.there is an ongoing presentation..(running through the first four chapters)..of the levels..of the mind.

In this model,..the conscious mind..*is sandwiched between the superconscious..(heavenly knowledge)..and a two-layer/subconscious, with..*an upper level..*dominated by fear,..*and a lower level filled with pure..miracle-working ability.

Impulses from all/three non-permanently/conscious levels..try to stream into the conscious mind,..but are often blocked by the "censor"..[unbiden fears/within..each..of our minds]..or distorted by the fear-filled upper subconscious.

Some impulses..make it in,..though,..and the
*conscious mind..must choose between them...[love or fear...dear]

The most notable..[touchy]..of these life/issues is sex, which is discussed repeatedly...By the HLC,..however,..all such discussions had been removed..or reworded so as not to mention sex...Yet this is not personal material;*it is abstract teaching.

Indeed, Jesus says..that this material is crucial
for all miracle workers:.."I want to finish..the instructions about sex,..because this is an area..the miracle worker must understand."24

What does Jesus say about sex?
In essence,..he says the sex drive..itself must finally be uprooted, for our attraction..to physical-bodies essentially..turns people into objects...[OBJECTIFICATION..creates delusion]

Once..the drive..has been uprooted..(which I consider..a very advanced state),.we see the only purpose.of sex as to bring children into the world..for learning opportunities...and as mutually obigated responability communion].

This may..appear to be saying,.."Control your behavior..so that you only have sex..for procreation."..*However,..Jesus says the answer is not simply..controlling yourself...Instead,.."the underlying mechanism must be uprooted."26

We must reach a place..[beyond time]..[ideally]..where we just don't find..*bodies..that obsessively/attractive anymore...I personally see this as consistent..with the later Course,..which talks about "when the body..ceases to attract you." (T-15.IX.7:1)

What happens to sex..when
you have..zero attraction..to someone's body?

Religious..and theological material

Material..has been removed..that discusses angels,
fallen angels,..Lucifer,..reincarnation,..karma,.spirit possession, speaking ..in tongues,..witchcraft,.auras,.and Christian Science.
Posted by one under god, Friday, 25 October 2013 9:17:11 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
A number..of clear theological/statements
have also been deleted,..including two mentions of the soul's three functions..(knowing, loving, and creating)..and theological statements..about the Father..and the Son..(for example, "In the Divine psyche,..the Father and the Holy Spirit ..are not incomplete at all.

The Sonship..has the unique faculty..of believing in error, or incompleteness"27)...All references to meditation..and most of the references to prayer..have been removed.

Also removed..are a number of pages..of commentary on the teachings of Edgar Cayce,..which came because Bill and Helen..were reading the Cayce material..*at the time

There are a whole host of other things that have been deleted, which I will simply class under "miscellaneous specifics." These include intellectual and literary references, including some brief discussions of mathematics and a bold interpretation of the real meaning of Don Quixote.

There are many references to common expressions, such as "think big," and "live and let live." There are references to several individuals. I've mentioned most of these, but we can add Descartes and Jean Dixon (the astrologer) to the list.

And finally, there is the following list of miscellaneous specifics: the Holocaust, daylight saving time, the CIA, sex crimes, kleptomania, bankruptcy, gambling, alcoholism, eyesight problems, alchemy, cryogenics, wars, money, voting, educational exams, ESP, and the psychological significance of names.

As you can see, far more than personal material was taken out.

The real target was specifics. Virtually anything
that was specific, concrete, or down-to-earth was removed.

[as..guided..by]
http://www.circleofa.org/library/acim-history-issues/copyright/earlier-versions/
Posted by one under god, Friday, 25 October 2013 9:18:42 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Line-by-line editing

There..is,..as mentioned,..copious..line-by-line editing.
The sheer volume..of it takes..one aback,..as we are..accustomed to thinking/of the words..of the Course..as straight from Jesus.

The following/example..will give you a sense/of
the line-by-line editing..I suggest you read it..in two ways.

First,..read down..each column.
http://www.circleofa.org/library/acim-history-issues/copyright/earlier-versions/

Then,..read across-reading..each line
as it evolves..through..the different versions.

Urtext#...Hugh Lynn Cayce/...Standard Course*

You..now share..my inability#..As you share..
*my inability/..As you share..my unwillingness

to..tolerate..the lack/of love#../..to tolerate lack of love
*to..accept error

in yourself..and..in.everyone else,#..
/in..yourself and..others,...*in..yourself...and others,

and must/join#/you must/join..*you..must/join

the/Great-Crusade..to correct it.#
the/Great/Crusade.to correct it.
*the/great*crusade..to correct it;

The..slogan/for this..Crusade..is."Listen,..Learn,.and Do."#
/The.slogan/for..the Crusade..is.."Listen,.learn,..and do;"—
*..This..means Listen..to My-Voice..Listen..to my-voice,..listen..to my voice,

#..Learn to..*undo..the error,#,../learn..to undo..error//*learn..to undo error..

#and..do something..to..correct it./and..do.something..to.correct it..29..*and..act..to correct it..(T-1.III.1:6)

#The..first..two..are not enough...
/The..real members..of my party...are active workers..28

This brief example..contains..almost all..of
the important..characteristics..of..the line-by-line..editing:

Lots..of editing...The..sheer/volume..of changes..is striking.
Out of..68 words,.45..*words have..been changed..(removed,/replaced, added,/or...de-emphasized).

Faithful...?The editors..have clearly..tried very hard..to be faithful.to the meaning of the original...It is..difficult..to detect a.significant/change..in meaning.

Slight/alterations..in meaning?..While there..are..no significant changes..in the..superficial-meaning*..of our passage,..there are some..slight..alterations...[of emphasis]

In..the standard/version,..you join..the great crusade..
because..you have..become unwilling..to accept/error..(or..lack..of love/or..over/fearing..anything]).

In..the original/version,..however,..both..your joining..the Great Crusade..and*..your unwillingness..to accept..lack of love..come from the fact..that/you have.."been restored..to..your original state"..where..*all fear..is illusion..

(from..the line..preceding..our/passage)...

That's..a very minor..alteration...Slightly more significant..is the downplaying of behavior..in the editing..of..the final lines...This is a consistent/pattern..in the editing..which I will discuss below.

Less lively,..more tame.[erantly/safe]

After editing,..the material..is generally..less lively and spirited. In the original,..you become unable..to tolerate..the..lack of..fearless-love...In the standard version,..however,..you become merely unwilling*..to accept error.

There is..an insistent,..emphatic note..in the original
that is..consistently softened..by the editing...This makes the Course sound..more remote,..more tame.

Set..next to..the original,..it feels sanitized.

Less specific...The removal.of..specifics..takes place on a line-by-line basis...You can see..that here...The Crusade no longer has a "slogan,".and there is no longer..a "party"..with "workers."

The familiar..cultural image..of a political party..on a crusade,
with busy workers..chanting their slogan,..has been taken out.

More vague.. Although..the meaning.of our passage h..as not been changed,..it is somewhat less apparent...For instance,..we now may wonder what.."act to correct"..error means.

Does this mean..physical action?
The original,..however.. leaves no doubt:

"do something..to correct it….
http://www.circleofa.org/library/acim-history-issues/copyright/earlier-versions/
Posted by one under god, Friday, 25 October 2013 9:51:16 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
The original,..however,..leaves no doubt:
"do something..to correct it…..The real members..of my party are active workers."

Yes,..jesus is talking..about physical action.
Another reason..for loss of clarity..is the removal of emphasis

As our passage evolves,..the emphasized words..go from eight to zero. While the lessening..of emphasized words..(a trend throughout the editing)..is stylistically..*practical,..the emphasis/definitely enhances..clarity...[at expence..of act/deed/work..its been..subverted into..academical..[theory]..not life application[fact]!


I..have found..many passages..where knowing
a particular word..was originally emphasized..unlocks the whole meaning..*of the passage.

There are..three other aspects..of the line-by-line editing..which I'll discuss. The first is..editing to harmonize..the meaning of passages..with the later Course-part..of the process..of correcting scribal errors.

The chief..examples of this..are the following:

* All..(six).references
to..the celestial speedup..have been removed.

* All (seven)..references..to the Record,
which seems similar..to the Akashic records,..have been removed.

* As mentioned above,..good-behavior..[v]..miss-behavior
has been systematically..downplayed...In the first five chapters, references..to "behavior"..and "behave"..drop from 68..in the Urtext to 20..in the standard Course.

All (five)..references..to the "doer".have been removed.
In Chapter 9,..the line.."This course..is a guide to behavior".has been removed.

I assume..all this..was done to fit/with the Course's emphasis on thought..rather than behavior...However,..I think these changes are inappropriate,..*since behavior*..remains important.throughout the Course,..*despite the word being rarely used.

* Some of..the very first references...to the Holy Spirit..(in Chapter 5)..speak of Him..as an "it"..that is simply.."your own right mind,"..rather than as.a "He" Who.."abides in…your mind." (C-6.4:1)

These references..have been changed..to read like the later Course.
* In the early Urtext,..the world is sometimes characterized as being..made by the Divine..in response to the separation,.as a teaching device..to lead us out of the separation.

In the later Course,..the world is the direct..manifestation of the separation,..although the Holy Spirit..*uses it as a teaching device.

Because of..this discrepancy..(which may have come from the influence of the Edgar Cayce material,..which Helen was reading at the time of the early dictation),..four of these early references have been softened.

For example:
SEE LINK
Posted by one under god, Friday, 25 October 2013 10:10:01 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Compressed.into..obscure academical-abstraction

<<..the instructions..that Jesus..gave
for..the editing.were as follows:

* If..what..you write..is so personal
that it..cannot benefit others,..take it out.
* If you take..down scribal errors,..correct them.

key-source/text
http://www.circleofa.org/library/acim-history-issues/copyright/earlier-versions/

The editing..results in fewer..and fewer words.
[bigger and bigger destractions]..We go..from..68 words..(Urtext) to 47 (HLC)..to 34 (standard Course).

The/same ideas..get compressed..into a smaller..and smaller space.

One unfortunate..result of this..is that,./quite often,
ideas which you originally..had time..to digest,.now come too fast for..you to..adequately take in.

[EN-VISION}

More formal,..less conversational..and plainspoken.
Overall,..the editing..seems designed..to make the early Course sound less informal..and..less/conversational...If you read the first and last versions..of our passage above,..you can feel the difference.

For..another example,..a line that originally read,
"You and Bill..have been afraid of God,..of me,..of yourselves, and of practically..everyone you know..at one time or another"30

becomes simply,.."You have been fearful.of everyone and everything." (T-2.VII.3:4)

The early Course..now reads less like..someone talking and more, in fact,..like the loftiness..of the later Course...The question is, which is better?

There are times..when I prefer..the edited passages, but most of the time I prefer..the plainspoken original.

ME TOO..
http://miraclevision.com/acim/urtext/acim-urtext-2003-upe-ready-edition.pdf

I like being spoken..to in a clear,..down-to-earth way
in the early chapters,..before the Course lifts off into the stratospheric..tone of the later material.

Mostly unnecessary...If you will,
go back..and read the first version..of our passage.

Then ask yourself,..what is wrong with it?
How much editing..does it really need?..Does it need any?

I personally don't think..it needs much editing,..if any.
In fact,..I prefer it..to either of the edited versions.

Now this is not true..of all the Urtext passages./Many of them are very rough and..obviously need cleaning up...However, my opinion is that most..of the line-by-line editing..was unnecessary.

Think about Jesus' instructions.

He said remove personal/material..and correct scribal errors.
Does the editing..in our passage fit either of..those rules?

Editing..to make content..Course-consistent
(in the opinion of..the editors)

Editing errors

It would be hard..to do so much
line-by-line editing..and not make an occasional mistake.

Indeed, a number of unambiguous errors—changes..in the meaning of the original—have crept into the material..(I count 27 in the first two chapters).

Here are a few examples:[see link]
Posted by one under god, Friday, 25 October 2013 10:21:20 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
PERSONAL-Revelation..induces/complete..but..temporary
suspension..of doubt..and fear..It..reflects the..original form/of communication..between God..and His..creations,

involving..the extremely personal..sense of creation
sometimes sought..in physical..relationships...Physical closeness cannot/achieve it..Miracles,..however, a..re genuinely interpersonal, and result..in true-closeness to..others.

P.Revelation...unites you..*directly..with God.
Miracles..unite..you directly..with..your brother.

Neither emanates..from..consciousness,
but..both..are experienced*..there.

Consciousness..is the state..that..induces action,..though
it does/not inspire it..You are free..to believe..what you choose,..and what..you do*..attests to what..you believe.

2 Revelation..is intensely-personal
and..cannot..be meaningfully/translated...to..other
That is why..any attempt..to describe it..in words is impossible.

Revelation..*induces..only experience.
Miracles,..on the other hand,..induce action.
They are more useful..now because of.their interpersonal nature...In this phase of learning,..working miracles.is important..because freedom..[from fear..]..cannot..be thrust upon you.

Revelation..is literally unspeakable..because
it is..an lived-experiencing..of unspeakable love.

"This Course..Is a Guide..to Behavior"

3.Awe should..be reserved..for revelation,
[not that revealed..but..our..revealer;..god]..to which..it is perfectly..and correctly..applicable...

It is not appropriate..for miracles..because a..state
of awe...is worshipful,..implying..that one..of..a lesser order..[under]-stands..before his Creator.

You are..of/by..for..a perfect-creation,..and should
experience awe only..in the presence of..the Creator of..all..perfection's.

The miracle..is therefore
a sign...of love..among equals.

Whenever..we want
we..can CHOOSE..to..hit the fast/forward button.
This happens..by accepting..a miracle,.which allows us
to jump..past a batch of scenes..and more quickly.reach the happy ending..(see T-1.II.6).

This theory ..of time can sound..nothing short/of bizarre.
Yet it is..not nearly..as implausible..as it sounds at first.

The Course points..to the very nature..of time
itself..as evidence..for its theory.

from
http://www.circleofa.org/library/acim-commentary/text-commentary/commentary-on-the-little-hindrance/
Time is composed of cycles, rhythms, repetitions;
the cycle of the days and nights, the tides, the seasons.

When we look..closer at these cycles,..we see
that each one is composed,..in essence,..of a single repeating..pulse..of rhythms/cycles..[via sympathetic harmonic/reverberation]..unending cycle..of beginnings/endings..of birth and re-birth..

but..not ever..death.
[E=infinite..E]

Each cycle..springs up with..a fresh burst of life,
and then sinks/down..into the deterioration..of death...At any given moment our body..is undergoing countless..such..begining[rejuvination/expiry endings]..pulses,
as old cells..die off[subsumed]..and new cells are..born..into duel form,..or..as new air..is inhaled..[absorbed]....and..old air exhaled.[excreted].

These smaller pulses..exist within the larger pulse..
of the day;..each morning we...are reborn..only to "die"..at the end of the day.[but because..when..we awake..all..our program..knows..
is..by our life experiences..[held safe..in..the mind-acces code[vibe]...with/in..the..cloud-mind..]

each..relative to..the being..we are being].

just like..a computer..OnLY..knows..its
own..history,..[regardless..of who's energy..[E]..pushes..the key*.

http://www.aboutadidam.org/growth/seven_stages.html
Posted by one under god, Friday, 25 October 2013 8:01:27 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
"Have..a Good_Day"[:JESUS*]

A..Foreshadowing..of the..Entire/Course
from..Early..in..Its Dictation..[yet..why..deleted]

by..Robert/Perry

Recently,..I have found...myself captivated..by a passage..very early in..the Course's dictation...It is not found..in the published..Course (or even..in what's..now termed...the Original Edition).

It is only..in Helen's/notebooks..and also..in the Urtext,?
http://miraclevision.com/acim/urtext/acim-urtext-2003-upe-ready-edition.pdf
the..typescript...that Bill/typed up..from Helen's..dictation.

The..passage..is this:

Have..a good_day...Since..only eternity..is real,
why/not..use..the illusion..of time..constructively?

..You might remember..that underneath..[underpinning..your/.reality]..
are.the Everlasting Arms...[alms]..of..The Illuminate/Brotherhood,motto..

“Protect..all things..you value..*by the act..of giving them away...”..restoring..them..by setting them..free.

[we came..with nothing..we get reborn..with..it-all
[in-spired..by..Jesus Christ..original-words}

These..comments have..restored context;
there is..no related-material..surrounding them.
They stand alone.. and as you can see,...are quite brief.

Yet they grow on you.
The more I think..about them,..the more..I see in them.

context..(When..you say...“If you..want me to..I will”
please add..“and if you..DON’T want me to..I won’t.”..

This is the RIGHT use of..inhibition...[past-recall..as a way to moderate..this present moment..There..*has to be..SOME self-awareness...[conscious-control]..over learning..

which after all..is about self improvement..
for self reasoning..via self motivated..freewill..action..intentionally..consciously..choosing to be producing..good fruits

for channelizing purposes...
Remember retro-active..inhibition..which should be easy enough..for you...Sometimes..the new learning is.the more important, and has to inhibit..the old...hurtful..into present-healing

It’s a..form of correction.)..just as the old..recalled..best inhibits the future[o present negative averment/enactment]

this means..you specifically..[or rather]..
your past..lived/live perceptions..life experiences..
are vital..contextually..for voiding/avoiding..this present/errant..
and potentially hurtful..[fear inducing/moment]

..is..[or will-be]..being inhibited..[from..the injurious-illusory..mis-projection..of the negativity..into realization materially..presently...by living loving grace-filled prayer

Prayer..is the medium..[substance/means].of miracles.
Prayer is the natural communication..of the Created..with the Creator.

Through prayer,..love is received,
and through miracles..love is expressed.

12. Miracles are thought-creations...projected..into..present awareness..all obsessive[fixated]..Thought can create lower-order or higher-order..realities...

This is the basic distinction between intellectualization and thinking.

One creates...the physical, and..the other
recognizes..the spiritual,..and what..we believe in..that we create
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 26 October 2013 8:09:48 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Further,..ALL_CREATIONS..are.significant..in a..PERSONAL/historical sense.

They are..the very..first reference...to the idea..of OUR-reality
versus..illusion,..the notion..that..THE-reality..can be..affected..BY IMAGINED-FEARS.

only..the..SPIRIT/eternity is real..and
space..MATTER/time..is an illusion.

(The lines.."Nothing real..can be..threatened.
Nothing..unreal exists"..were..actually..dictated later...for clarity)

How..different would..our day..be..if
we could..establish..and maintain..that..consistent-awareness!..

Imagine..being able..to pass..through_situations..
*fully-aware..that what..you see..is not..really..able..to hurt/you....
that the..illusory/fear-forms..in/front..of mind..perception's.. of you..are just..emotive-baggage[shadows],..

that..you are..literally..walking/through..a dream..
of..your own..miss-perceived..[OTHERS-conceptions].?

You..might think..you..would/stop..caring altogether..about this shadow-play...and..the way..that..*you walked..upon..*its stage.

Yet..that is-not..what this..sentence says...
It seems..to/be..saying,.."While..you are..*in the dream,..why not.*take ACTIVE-part.*in it..constructively?"

What..an interesting/question!

Try..asking yourself..that question..and see.how your mind reacts. Ask..yourself,.."Since/only..eternity..is real,..why_not?..use..the illusion_of..time/constructively?"

The..sense I get..is..The/power..is_not..*in..*its hands;..
the power..is in..my hands...Therefore,..I am free..to use..time however*..I want.

Second,..if..I can/use..time how..I want,
then..why wouldn't..*I use it..constructively..to-do..better?..After all,..I'm here..for now;.I'm in..this/living..live time-moment..in-time.

Why/not..do something_positive..with it?

This contrast..between..the healing-unity/reality
and..the..hurtful/injurious/material..full..of illusion,..
so..of-course,..fearless emoted/motivated/love..[works]..would..become..the..philosophical/backbone..of..the-Course.

Before..this point,..the closest/references..we had
were..two mentions.of.."lower-order/reality,"..which..referred to.the physical level...

Yet..obviously,..even a..lower-order/reality..still
has_been..made real..[accorded/reality]...by..our delusional..fears alone.

whole/purpose..of coming..this far
is..to decide..WHICH BRANCH..YOU WILL*..TO.TAKE..FROM/HERE-ON.

The way..you came..no_longer-matters.
IT..CAN NO..LONGER SERVE.

No-one..who reaches this far..CAN make.the wrong decision.
But..he CAN..INITIATE/delay..And/there..is no par/of..the journey that..seems..more hopeless..and futile..than standing/where
the..road/branches,..*and not..deciding..which_way..to go.

It-is..only the..first/few steps..along/the
NARROW-right/way..that seem hard,..because..you HAVE
chosen,..but you still..think you/can go..back..and make..the other choice.

This..is not/so.. A choice made..with
the..power-of/Heaven..to uphold it..cannot BE..undone.
Your way..IS decided...There will-be..nothing you-will/NOT..be told, if..you acknowledge/this.

For..good..reason,..then,..these references
were/changed..by the editors..to..the "material-bodily/level."

Jesus..starts off..using..a typical,..throwaway comment
that.we make..to each-other..all..the time...

We offhandedly..tell people..to.."have..a good_day,"..
with only.the vaguest-idea..of what/w.. mean..to communicate..unto other..by that...word-choice.

We probably mean ..something like,.."Have..a day..you find enjoyable," or,.."Have..a day..with agreeable..rather than difficult/circumstances."

And we..probably have..no particular..thought
about how..they*..can have..[or..will/chose]..
to live-out..that..good GOD-day...

It's not,,just/a..pleasant-thing..to say...and
good=god..thus..good brings..good..of god..into..live-time/present recall..

plus..the many..other..good-days..comforts
gifted..of..the comforter..within..us-all.

but...You..aren't supposed..to think/about..it..too much...
[the/past-life..whether..for/good or ill..is part..of the past..thus..illusion..

when..we are..trying to.minimize,..illusion/...to..maximize..this present..living..moment..in/time..into..a loving-eternal/aware moment..

Jesus,..however,..has thought..through..
exactly what..he means..by."Have..a god day."..

He..ends-up filling-out..our rather vacant/conventional..saying
with..his own..rather profound..spiritual teaching.

As..a result,..the kind-of day..jesus is..calling.."good"..is *significantly-different..than..our usual..bland-conceptions...recalls.and false memories...

Further.. he has in..aware-mind..a specific way..
to have..that good day...[by loving/other as..the..*way
to..love*our..father]

[love creator..by constantly/CONSISTENTLY...trying..to love-other creations]

This..is so characteristic..of the Course,..to take..some familiar cultural/container,..like.."have a good day,"..and..fill it*.with totally..unfamiliar content,*..which..has both..spiritual-depth

anD..specific..injunctions..
for how/to..experience..that depth.
http://miraclevision.com/acim/urtext/acim-urtext-2003-upe-ready-edition.pdf
continues
http://www.circleofa.org/library/acim-commentary/text-commentary/have-a-good-daya-foreshadowing-of-the-entire-course-from-early-in-its-dictation/
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 26 October 2013 9:04:03 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
since it is just a game,..why not use it constructively?

What does it mean..to use time.."constructively"?
I have a special fondness..for the word "constructive."

If we could all..just be constructive,..wouldn't the world
be a far better place?..Jesus,..too,.seemed a bit fond..of the word.

It..("constructive"...and.."constructively")..crops up..sixteen times in the Urtext,..even if only six..of those..made it into the final Course.

Based on..those references,
what does it..mean to Jesus..to be.."constructive."

In most cases,..it means to..give miracles...For instance, Jesus calls becoming..a miracle worker..a reinstatement of the mind's "purely/constructive powers"..(T-2.V.5:4).

He even..explicitly calls miracles.."constructive acts"..(T-2.VI.1:2)...A secondary meaning..is that.."constructive" is something..that moves you..forward..in your own learning...[via..awareness;revelation..121..direct from..our father]

For example,..Jesus speaks..of using his.."experiences constructively"..(T-6.I.11:3),..by which..he means applying..*the lesson..of his crucifixion..to your life..in a helpful[good/godly/loving,,constructive manner

[bearing good fruits]..not reinforcing
illusion/negativity/fear..[bad fruits]..rather..than..unhelpful way..of fear..we chose the miracle..of love of other]

.He..also says..that sorting out..the true/from the false
is.."a process of separation/reinforcement..in..the constructive sense"..(T-2.VIII.4:2).

The principle..of separation..is usually destructive,
but this..particular//[loving]..fearless..application..of it is actually constructive.

In other words,..to be constructive..is to do*..something..that advances others..in their journey home..(by giving them miracles..[love/grace/mercy)

or-else..this deliberated lack..advances
yourself..on your own journey..and its end-time/fruits..(by moving forward your learning).

The dictionary..meaning of.."constructive"
is "serving..to improve..or advance;...helpful."

Jesus..has modified..this meaning..to fit his system,
so that it..becomes.."serving to advance..us all..toward eternity."

This,..apparently,..is what we..should spend our days
doing—advancing others..and thus..ourselves..on the journey home.

As long as..we are..choosing..illusion..of/in..a world of unreality, why..not spend our time..helping ourselves..and others back to..the next..reality?

"You might remember..that
'underneath..are..the Everlasting Arms.'"

This/is..actually..a biblical reference.
It comes..from Deuteronomy 33:27:

"The eternal God..[eternal good]..is thy refuge,
and underneath..are the everlasting arms."

[fear-free/revelation/performed..good-miracles]

On..the surface,..this doesn't seem..particularly related
to the previous sentence,..but on closer inspection..it is intimately related.

Both sentences..describe a remedy
to..the crippling..mortal-change..and its..uncertainty of time.
While..we seem blown..and buffeted about..by the winds of time,..we can stand firm..on an unshakable foundation..*outside of time.

That unshakable..eternal..infinite/omnipresent..
presence present..pre-sent..foundation..becomes our refuge,
making us..immovably..of the heart revelation/elation

even,..in the midst of..illusory fears..
inherent..in/the mortal/morality..of the life-time's raging storm...between..the fear..of our passions..our enjoined greatness..

whether or not..the yielding goodly fruit..
in-to..not seeing the splinter..for the plank..
nor harvest..of splinters..[so..that the sleepers awake]
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 26 October 2013 2:15:42 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
While we seem blown and buffeted about..by
the winds of time,..we can stand firm.on an unshakable foundation outside of time.

That unshakable foundation..[fear free-revelation]becomes our refuge, making us..immovable..even..in the midst of the time's raging storm.

In the previous sentence,..that foundation was eternity.
But..in the biblical allusion..of our current sentence,.."eternity" has morphed..into.."the eternal God."[him..ALL/good][via revelation]

Now,..our safety[mirac;le]..lies..in more..than
the something..vaguely..impersonal..like eternity;..it lies in the Love[miracle]..and protection of a Person.[via revelation..directly from good

[if its not good..its not of god..
[know thy..master..goods..good voice

it is,..appropriate..to say that..God is personal
God..may not have..the boundaries—the ego,..personality,
and body—form..we associate with..the personal godhead/in person-hood,..but He does have..the freewill..of Self,

[in all self]...awareness...in/all ..Mind..[miracle]..,..
in/all-Heart,//[revelation]..and by..conscious/CONSTRUCTIVE..Will
we also..associate..alone..[all-one]..[with person-hood..but one step..from..realized good-hood][son..of the sun]..

. I think..it is most accurate,/therefore,
to call Him..a Person,..with the capital."P"
signifying the lack/of..the usual boundaries and limits.

This biblical/reference..is another foreshadowing..of the later Course...The Course..loves..to reference the Bible,..and in the process consistently turns the relevant biblical passage..into a statement..of the Course's own teaching.

That is exactly..what we see..here...Obviously, the author of Deuteronomy,..in writing..about the eternal God..and the Everlasting Arms,..was not thinking..that only eternity is real..and time is an illusion.

I find that..phrase
"underneath are..the Everlasting Arms".so evocative.
One of our most..emotionally resonant images..of safety is being held in..the arms of a loving and protective parent...Here,..that image has been immensely..elevated and expanded...The parent becomes God.

The fleeting embrace..becomes something permanent,..as implied by the word.."Everlasting."..The support of those,,reve4latary/miraculous..Arms..becomes our foundation,..as implied..by the word "underneath."

And this unshakable..foundation of love..and protection./.from fear..becomes our stable.."refuge"..in the midst/of the swirling river of time...What a beautiful idea.

Jesus referred..to.."the Everlasting Arms"
four times..in the early dictation..Now we know why.

Notice,..however,..that this is..more than just an idea.
It is..self realized..practice...When Jesus says,.."You might remember..that 'underneath are..the Everlasting Arms,'"..we have to see that..in the context of.."Have a good day.
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 26 October 2013 2:37:45 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
We need to see it..as part of this larger instruction
for having..truthfully..a good god-day...What he really means,
then,..is to remind yourself..*of this thought..throughout the day, as a way..to have..that

oh..so..great/
go god..have a..goodly day.

This is..especially clear..in looking back
on this..with from the perspective of..the later Workbook.

There,.the notion of remembering..a certain quotation
throughout the day,..in order to have..a truly happy day, is absolutely central...We are often told to.."remember this [lesson] throughout the day"..(W-pI.78.10:1),

or to "remember..to PRACTICE..it..very often today"..(W-pI.63.3:1).

start..with a smile..We do this
in order..to have..a happy day,..as we can see..from the following passage:

<<..Let us be glad to begin and end this day by practicing today's idea, and to use it as frequently as possible throughout the day. It will help to make the day as happy for you as God wants you to be. (W-pI.62.4:1-2)>>

<<..he following quotation even looks a great deal like the sentence under examination. Both ask us to remember throughout the day that Divine strength constantly supports us:

We will remind ourselves..that He remains..beside us
al-through the day,..and never leaves..our weakness.unsupported by His strength...by his living/loving-will..(W-pI.153.19:4)

Thus,..what we have..in the admonition.to.."remember that 'underneath are the Everlasting Arms'"..is a kind of proto-Workbook practice.[actual_doing]

Just as the Workbook..asks us to repea.. a particular Course quote throughout the day..in order to have a happy day. so this sentence asks us..to remember a particular Bible/quote..*throughout the day in order..to have a good day.>>

<<..While in time,..it seems..that the ground..is constantly quaking beneath..our feet,.giving us..no safe place to stand...Yet inside ourselves,..we can stand on ETERNAL-holy-ground..that never shakes.

We..choose...to stand on..changeless//loving/grace-filled/ground,
far removed..from the fickle caprice..of..EITHER..space,,or time.

We..stand..on eternity.
have a good..[great godly..day..anyway.

http://www.circleofa.org/library/acim-commentary/text-commentary/have-a-good-daya-foreshadowing-of-the-entire-course-from-early-in-its-dictation/
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 26 October 2013 2:45:06 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
March 11/1968..Special Message:
When..you come to..the place where..the branch/in the road..
is quite apparent,..you..cannot go ahead..You MUST..go one way[heart/love/grace]..or the other.[material/mind-illusory]

For now,..if you go..straight ahead,..the way
..you.were going..before..you came..to/the branch,[fork/intersession/section..crisis point]..YOU WILL GO..NOWHERE....

Here-in..is the ultimate/release..that everyone.
will..one/day find..in..his own way,..at.his own-time.

We do not..need this time...but..the..Time-illusion..has been
SAVED..for you,..because..you are..to-gather...by miracle..of revelation

This is..the special means..this
course..is using,..to save you..in..time.

You..are not making use/of..the course..if you insist
on using..means..that have served/others well,..yet..neglecting..
what was..specifically..made.,.for YOU...to..Save time..for me..by only..pre-sent..this one/preparation,..and practice..doing..NOTHING ELSE.

“I..need..do..nothing”..is a statement.of
allegiance,..a truly..undivided..christian-loyalty.
Believe..it..for just.one instant,..and .you...will accomplish
more/than..is..given/to..any..even..if by..a century..of contemplation,.or..of struggle..against..material/honors/powers/bodily-temptation's.

To DO..anything..involves..the body.. And..if you..recognize
you NEED..do nothing,..you HAVE.withdrawn..the body’s-value's..from your mind...there..is..a quick..and..open-door..through which/you slip/past..centuries..of collective-effort,..and.ESCAPE..from time's..bounds..in-to..et-earn-ity.

This..is/the..way in.which..perceived/error/sin...loses/ALL righteousness/attraction..RIGHT-NOW...For..here/is..time denied,..and past...and..future/envisioning..[works]..is brought..to harvest..fully..and completely..the divisional/revisionism..is..gone.

he..who..need/do..nothing..has/no..need..for time...To/do..nothing
is-to..rest/trust/believe,..and..make/safe-..place..within/you where..the frenetic-activity..of..the..em-bodied/mind..ceases its..fears..and/ends..it;s/fears..due-to..demanding..refocus..of attention.

In-to..this/place..the/Holy-Spirit..comes,..and.there abides.
He..will remain...the/peace..when_you-forget,..and..the body’s activities..return..to occupy..your/conscious-mind...But..there/will always_be..this place..free..of/fear..[of rest],..to which..you/can_return.

And..you..will be..more aware..of the/quiet-center
of..the..all-pervading..restlessness..[storm],..than..all/its..raging activity.

This..quiet-center,..IN/WHICH..YOU..need..only..DO-NOTHING,
will remain..with/you,..giving/you rest..in..the/midst of..every_busy being/doing..on which..you..are sent.

For,..FROM this..center,..will-you/be,..directed
how-to use..the body..sinlessly...Itis..this c..enter,..
from/which..the-body..is ABSENT,..that..will keep-it/so,..in..your awareness.of it.

and.long/periods..of meditation..aimed..at DETACHMENT
from..the body..necessary...of..All...such attempts..will.ultimately succeed,..because/of ..heir...purpose...the fulfilling..o/ personal revelation..into..miracle.

But,..the means..are tedious/and..
very..time consuming..for.all of them..
LOOK/TO..THE FUTURE..for release..from..a state..
of present..stasis..of..feelings..of..unworthiness..fear..and inadequacy.

Your..new/way..will-be..different...NOT
in purpose,..but..in..ways/means.

A_HOLY.RELATIONSHIP..IS .A MEANS..OF SAVING_TIME.

One instant..spent..TOGETHER
restores..the universe..to/BOTH of you.
You ARE..prepared...Now..you need..but..remember..YOU NEED DO/NOTHING.

It..would be..FAR more/profitable..now..to..merel.
concentrate .on this,..than/to..consider..what..you SHOULD do.

When.peace comes..at/last..to..those/who wrestle..with temptation, and..fight..against/giving in/to sin;..when..the light-of/reason.comes..at..last..into..the/mind..from..the heart

given/to..contemplation,..or/when..the goal..is
finally..achieved/achievable..by anyone,..it ALWAYS..comes..with..just..ONE happy
realization, —

“. .need do..nothing.”
Here/is..the ultimate..release..that
everyone..will one/day find..in his..own way,..at..his own/time.
[you..will..know..when]

We do/not..need this time...Time/has been
SAVED..for-you,..because/you are..getting..it-all..together.

This is..the special/means..this..course/is using,..to save-you/time.
You..are not...making use..of..the course..if you.insist on.using means/that..have-may..have..served/others..before..you..well,..enough..then
but..was..their way..then..[in/different-times]

where..the good..in neglecting..what..gods..own miracle..
was made..for..by..revelation..to YOU...

Save time..for me..by only
this one..preparation,..and practice doing..NOTHING ELSE...

listen..with..your conscious..awareness..of place/time/timming
via person..via the heart..filtered..by..the loving/living..kind-mind..you..allways..were..or/willed..to be.
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 26 October 2013 6:35:09 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
The/world,..in its..original-connotation,..included..both
the proper/creation..of..man_by/God,..AND..the proper/creation..by man.in his..Right-Mind...The latter..required..the endowment/of man by God..with free/will,..because..all..loving/creation..is freely given.

Nothing..in either/of..these statements..implies..any sort/of
level involvement,.or,..in fact,..anything..except one-continuous line..of creation,..in which all aspects..of creation..are/of..the same order...[all created/equally..]

When..the..“lies of/the serpent”..were introduced,
they were..specifically..called lies/because..they..are not true.
thus..When man listened,..all he heard...was untruth...He does/not
have-to.continue..to believe..what is/not true,..*unless./he chooses to do so.

All of..his/miscreations..can disappear..in the well/known
“twinkling of/an.eye”,..*because..it is..a visual*misperception.
Man’s spiritual/eye..can sleep,..but..as will/shortly appear..in the notes..

(reference..Bob/elevator operator)

even..a sleeping/spiritual..eye can..still see.
One translation..of the Fall,..a view emphasized/by Mary Baker Eddy, and..worthy of note*[as an..educative/stimuli]...is that..“a deep/sleep..fell.upon Adam”...

While/the Bible..continues..to associate...this sleep
as..a kind of spiritual/seeing-anaesthetic..being/utilized for..protection/of Adam..during..the creation..of Eve,..[Mrs. Eddy..was correct/in..emphasizing..that nowhere/is there;;any reference made..to his..waking_up.

While...Christian Science..is clearly..incomplete,
this point..is much in..its favor...

The history of man..in the/world as..he saw it..{THE USE-OF..HE/..mary wasnt a he..?]..has not/been..characterized..by any/geniune..or comprehensive..spiritual-re-awakening,..or enlightened/re-birth.

This..is impossible..as long-as man/projects..hisillusions..in the spirit..of miscreation...It still remains/within..him to project..as God projected/his own Spirit to him...[this is via the belly/button]

although..yet others say..the..top of head/souls of feet
[must leave reasonable doubt.]

In reality,..this is..his ONLY..choice,..because..his
free-will /was made/for..*his..own joy..

in creating..the perfect...All fear..is ultimately
reduce-able to...the basic misperception..of man’s ability..
to USURP/the power..of God...It is again..emphasized..that he neither CAN..nor HAS been..able to do/this.

In this statement..lies the real-justification..for
his escape..from fear...[blocking your/revelation]..

This is brought/about..by his acceptance..of the Atonement,..
which places..him in a position..to realize that/EVEN..his own/errors..never really occurred...by your freewill.

When..the deep/sleep.fell upon Adam,..he was then
in a..*condition to experience/nightmares,..precisely..*because..he was sleeping...If a light..is suddenly turned-on..while/someone is dreaming,..and the content..of his dream is fearful,.he is initially likely to/interpret..the light itself..as part of..the content/of..his own dream.

*However,..as soon as..he/awakens,..the light..is
correctly perceived..as the release..from the dream,..which is no
longer/accorded..reality.

I would/like-to..conclude this/with
the Biblical..injunction..of..“Go ye/and do..likewise.”
It..is quite apparent..that this depends/on..the kind of knowledge which..was/NOT..referred toby the “..Tree of Knowledge”..[of good and evil]..which bore lies..as fruit.

The knowledge..that/illuminates[reveals/revelations]..rather/than the fear..that..obscures..[the miracle]..is the knowledge..which not only makes/you free,..but/also..shows/you clearly..that you..*ARE free.

The/first..involved..the-fallacy..that/only..the physical.is real. The second..involved..things/rather..than people...
The third*involves..the endowment..of the physical..with..non-physical/properties.

And/the..fourth..clarified/the..misuse..of/knowledge...

All..of/them..were..subsumed/under..possession-fallacies.
The..denial-mechanism..for three..has already been/set forth..
in some detail,..and..will/also..continue..after/the..following:
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 27 October 2013 7:51:46 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Sunday/Nov..20
Special/Principles..for miracle workers.

1...The miracle..[of the mind]..abolishes..the need..
for lower order concerns...Since it is an illogical,..or
out-of-pattern /time interval,..by definition,..the ordinary considerations..of time..and space/do not apply.

For example,.I do NOT..regard/time
as you..and B. do,..and Kolb’s..space-problem is/NOT mine...When YOU perform..a miracle,..I will arrange..both time..and space..to adjust to/it...[miracles..only..occur..via-heart/cloud-mind/revelation]
.
2. Clear distinction/between..what..HAS BEEN Created
and..what..*IS BEING created is/essential...ALL forms..of correction (or healing)..rest on this..clear/fundamental..correction..in heart/mind-level..of perception.

3...Another way..of stating 2).is :
NEVER confuse..right-with wrong-mindedness.
Responding*..[recall/we need..do nuthing]..to ANY form..of
miscreation..*with anything..EXCEPT..a DESIRE TO HEAL..the error

(desire/for..a miracle)..is an/expression..of/this confusion.

4...The miracle..is ALWAYS a DENIAL of..perceived-error,..and
is merely..an affirmation..of..the truth.[good/gifted freely..of..god.]

Only.Right-Mindedness..CAN create..in a way
that..has any real..positive/corrective-effect.

Pragmatically,..what/has..no real effect,..also.has no real existence...Its REAL effect,..then,..is emptiness...of emotive responses[beyond baseless fear]..

by..Being without/substantial content,..it
lends itself..to negative-projection.

5...The level-adjustment/power..of the miracle
creates..the right..mindful/perception..repletion..for healing.
Until this..modification..has occurred,..healing cannot be understood.

Forgiveness..is an empty gesture,/unless it..entails correction.[acts of redemption..done with.freewill..and..open-heart..for other..[not 4 self]

Without/this,..it is essentially..judgmental,
ill-judged..[hurtful]..rather than healing.

6...Miraculous forgiveness..is..the..ONLY correction.
It..has..no element..of judgment..within..or of it..at all.
“Father forgive them..for they know/..not what they do”..in NO way EVALUATES..what they/injuriously/hurtfully..chose to do.

It/is..strictly limited..to an appeal..to God
to HEAL..our perception..of their minds...There is
no reference to/the outcome..of their[or our]..misthought.

THIS does..not matter.

7...The Biblical/injunction..of..“Be of/one mind”
is the statement..for//preparation..of heart/mind..for cloud-mind/REVELATION..readiness.

My OWN injunction..“Do this..in remembrance of me”
is..the request..for/cooperation..in..the wills..of..miracle-workers.

It should/be..noted that..the two statements.are not..in
the/same order..of reality,..because..the latter involves
a time..awareness,..since memory implies..ignoring..the present/present..by..recalling the..PAST into..the present.

Time..is under..MY direction,
but Timelessness..belongs to God alone.
In time,..we/exist for..and with each other...

In Timelessness,..we coexist..with God.

There/is..one more point..which must/be made..perfectly clear
before..any residual fear/which may still..be associated..with miracles..becomes.entirely groundless.

The..Crucifixion..did NOT establish/the Atonement.
The..Resurrection-did.*..This is/a..point which..many very
sincere/Christians..have misunderstood...*Nobody..who/was..free
of.the/scarcity-fallacy..could..POSSIBLY have/made.this mistake.

If/the..Crucifixion is-seen..from..an/upside-down..point/of..view,
it..certainly does/appear..*AS IF*..God permitted,..and even encouraged,..*one of his Sons..to suffer/BECAUSE.he was
good.

Many/very..devoted ministers..preach this..every-day.

This..particularly/unfortunate-interpretation,..which
actually arose..out/of..the combined misprojection..of-a
large number/of my own..would-be followers.. has led..too/many people to/be..bitterly afraid-of..God.
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 27 October 2013 11:09:59 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
many people..tend..to/be..bitterly afraid..of God.
[others bitterly resent..the church..and have denied..good]

This particularly..anti-religious/concept..happens to.enter
into..many messengers/religions.and/this is..neither by chance.nor coincidence.

The/real..Christian would/have*..to pause
and.ask..“how could/this be?”..Is/it likely..
that..God Himself..would be capable/of..the kind
of thinking..which..*His..*own Words..have/clearly stated..is unworthy..of man?

(There are/times..when)..The best defense,
as always,..is NOT*..to attack another’s/position,..but rather to protect..the truth...

It is/not necessary..to consider..anything acceptable..if/you have to..turn..a whole..frame/of..reference around..in-order/to..justify it.

This procedure/is..painful in..its minor applications,
and genuinely-tragic..on a mass basis...*Persecution is a
frequent result,..justifying/the..terrible misperception...that God Himself..maliciously/judgmentally..persecuted His/own Son..on behalf of salvation.

The very words..are meaningless.
It..has always been.particularly difficult
to overcome..this because,..although the error
itself..is no harder..to overcome..than any other/error
men were unwilling..to give it/up..because of..its prominent escape value.

In milder/forms,..a parent says..“This hurts me
more than it hurts you,”..and feels..thus..exonerated..in beating..a helpless-child.

Can you..believe..that our/Father..REALLY thinks..this way?
It is/so..essential*..that all such..thinking be dispelled..that we must be*VERY sure..that/NOTHING of this kind..remains-in/or renters..back into..your mind.

*I..was NOT punished..because YOU were/bad.
The wholly benign/lesson..which the..Atonement teaches
is wholly..lost..*if it/is tainted..with this kind of distortion..*in ANY form.

“Vengeance..is Mine/sayeth the Lord”
is strictly..a karmic viewpoint...It is ..a real
misperception..of..the true/truth,..by which man..assigns..his own evil/past..unto God.

*The..“evil-conscience”..from the past..
has nothing..to do..with God...He did/not create it,..and..He does/not maintain it...God..*does NOT believe..in karmic retribution..at all.

His Divine-mind..does/not..miss-create..in/that way.
HE..does not hold..the evil deeds/of..a man even against HIMSELF.
It/is likely,..then,..that He/would hold..against any man..the evil that..(*ANOTHER did?

Be..very sure*
that..you recognize..how impossible
this..ABSURD..assumption really is,..and how
ENTIRELY*..it arises..from..well/past..misprojection.

This kind/of error..is responsible..for a host of
related fallacies..including the..*misbelief..that God
rejected man..and forced/him..out of the..Garden of Eden,..or that I am..even/now..thought..to-be..misdirecting you.

I..have made..every effort..to use words
which..are ALMOST*..impossible..to distort,[but by authoritative edit/deliberative editing]..but the..fear in/man..is very..inventive when it comes..to/twisting symbols around.

God/Himself.is not symbolic;..was..never man..
He..*is..all-FACT...all-cause.[light..sustaining/life..via logic]

The Atonement,..too,.is..totally/without..symbolism.
[at-one-meant]..It is perfectly clear,;.because it exists..with/in light...Only man’s/attempts..to shroud/it..in darkness..have/made it inaccessible..to the..unwilling,..and ambiguous/to..the partly/willing.

*The Atonement/itself..radiates..nothing/but..truth.
It..therefore epitomizes..loving/harmlessness,..and sheds ONLY blessing...It could/not..do this..if-it/arose...from anything/other than..perfect/good/pure..innocence!

Innocence..is wisdom,..because it is..
perfectly..unaware of evil,..which/does/not exist...outside..itself.

It is,..however,..PERFECTLY aware/of..EVERYTHING,..that is..true.
The Resurrection..demonstrated*..that NOTHING/can..destroy truth.

innocent/Good..can withstand..ANY form/of..evil,..
because..*light..abolishes..*ALL forms/of..darkness.

The Atonement..is thus/the perfect lesson...It is the final demonstration..that all/of..the other lessons..which I taught
are true.
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 27 October 2013 11:48:05 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Man..is released..from.ALL errors..
if he/believes..in his...heart/work..of goodness.

The..deductive..approach to/teaching..accepts..the generalization
which/is applicable..to ALL single instances,.rather/than building up.the generalization/after analyzing..numerous single instances separately.

If you/can accept..the ONE..GENERALIZATION/now,
there will be..no need..to learn from/many smaller lessons.

NOTHING*..can prevail..against..a-Son/of God..
who commends..his..[injured]-Spirit..into the hands/of His Father...By doing/this,..the mind..awakens from..its sleep,..and the/Soul..remembers..its/Creator.

*All..sense of..Separation/disappears,
and level...of..confusion/vanishes...The Son of/God..
IS part/of..the holy Trinity,..but*..the Trinity Itself ..is One...

There is/no..confusion within/ITS levels,..because
they are*..of One-Mind...and One Will...to[love god/good..by loving the doing..of goods..for other]

This/Single/Purpose..creates/perfect integration,
and..establishes..the.(reign..of the..)..Peace/of God.

But.this vision..can/be perceived*..only by/the ..truly innocent. Because..their hearts..*are/pure,..[nonjudgmental]..they defend/true perception,..[of gods..many/graces/mercies/nature/nurture]..instead of defending/*themselves..AGAINST it.

Understanding..thelesson of.the Atonement,
they are..without ..the will..to attack,..and..therefore..they see truly...[without/fearful-distortions..of ego/based..fictions]

This/is...what/the Bible..means/when..it says
“(and)..when*..He..shall/appear..(or/be..perceived)..[found]
we shall/be..like Him..for we shall..see Him..AS HE IS.”[as he was/and always.will-be]

Sacrifice..is/a notion..*totally unknown..to God.
It*..arises solely..*from fear

off..the Records./This is/particularly..unfortunate,
because frightened-people..are apt.to/be vicious...vicarious.. Sacrificing/others..in*..any way*..is a clear-cut violation.of God’s own injunction..that man.,.should..strive..*passionately..to/be
merciful..even as..His Father..in heaven..is merciful.

It.has/been harder..for many Christians..to realize
that this..commandment..(or/assignment)..injunction..also
applies..to THEMSELVES...Good_teachers..*never/terrorize..their students.

To terrorize..is..to attack,..and this..
results in..rejection..of what..the teacher offers...This/results in learning-failures.

I have been/correctly referred..to in..the Bible as
“The Lamb..[innocent]..of God..who taketh away/the sins..of the world.”..

Those..who represent/the lamb..as blood-stained..
are..(an all too/widespread..conceptual error)..of..those..who*do NOT understand..the meaning..of the symbolism.

Correctly understood,..the symbol..is a;.very simple parable,
or..teaching device,..which..merely depicts..my innocence.

The lion..and the lamb..lying down..together
refers.to..the/fact that strength..and innocence..
are NOT/in conflict,..but..harmoniously..naturally..live in peace.

“Blessed/are..the pure in heart..for they
shall see God”..is another way..of saying the same thing.

Only the innocent..]pure..of heart]..CAN see God.
There..has been..some controversy..(in human terms)
as to whether..seeing..is an..informed/attribute..of the eyes,..
or an expression of..the integrative powers/of the/brain...Correctly/understood,..the issue..revolves around..the question..of whether the body..or the mind..*can/see.(or understand).

see..This is not/really..open to question..at all.
The body..is not capable..of understanding...Only..*the mind KNOWS anything...The body..is not.capable/of ..understanding../.ANYTHING.

Only..the mind..KNOWS anything...A pure/mind
knows..the truth,*..and this..truth/foundation..IS its strength.
It..cannot attack..the body,..because it knows/*EXACTLY what the body IS...This is what..“a sane mind..in a sane body”..really means.

A sane-mind..is NOT/out..for blood.,
nor..ego..nor subject/to..fear impression.

It..does not/confuse..destruction/with love
or confuse..love..with innocence,..because..it associates..innocence...with strength..of non-limiting..living/loving
Posted by one under god, Monday, 28 October 2013 12:33:13 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
A..sane mind..does_not confuse..destruction..with innocence,
because..it associates..innocence..with strength,..NOT with..fears/weakness.

Innocence..is/INCAPABLE..of sacrificing anything,..
because the innocent-mind..HAS everything..and..strives/only to PROTECT..its Wholeness...This is why..[when..acting/of love..rather that..*motivated..by fear]..it CANNOT..miss-project...[heals/not hurts]

Innocent/mind..can only..honor/man,..because
honor..is the NATURAL greeting..of the/truly loved..to others
who are Like..them...The lamb taketh..away..the sins/of the world..
only..in the sense/that..the state of..innocence/*or Grace,..is one/..in which..the meaning..of the Atonement..is perfectly apparent.

The/innocence..of God..is the true..predestined/state..of
the mind of His Son-ship..In..this state,..man’s mind DOES..will..to see God,..and because..he sees Him..with..pure innocence..[unexpectedly]..as_he_Is,..he knows..that..the Atonement,..NOT sacrifice,*..but..love/fullfilled

heartfelt/love..is..the only..appropriate gift..to..present
at..His OWN altar,..where..nothing/except..perfection truly..belongs...

The..understanding of..
the innocent..is..its own..TRUTH.
That is why..their..heart/altars..are truly-radiant.

(as..Dictated..directly..[live-time/all..the time..
in..gods..live/living..eternal-moment]..without notes)

Though..Christians..generally..(but/by..no means/universally) recognize..the contradiction..involved..in..victimizing others,..
they are..less adept..at ensuring..[their own*..inability]..to victimize..themselves..even..further.

Although..this appears..to/be a...
much more/benign error ..[from..the viewpoint of..society],..
it is..nevertheless inherently..dangerous*..because..once..a two-edged-defense..*is/used,..its direction..cannot be..self-controlled.

B...recently observed..how many..ideas..
were..condensed into..relatively/few..pages/here...
This is..because we have not..been forced..to dispel..miscreations..throughout...

(There/is..one set of notes..not..yet transcribed..which
is devoted..to this...These emphasize..only..the/enormous waste..of time..that is..involved...in correcting)

Cayce’s/notes,..too,..could..have/been much..shortened...
Their excessive length..is due..to two factors...The first.involves a fundamental/error..which Cayce..himself*..made,..and ..which required constant..undoing.

The second.is/more..related to/the attitude..of his
followers...They..*are un-willing..to omit anything*..he said.
This..is respectful enough,..but not..overly-judicious...I would-be a far..better editor,..if they/would..allow me..this position..on their staff.

[but..lets stay..real]

It is..obvious..that Cayce*himself..was not able..to transcend
even..the misperceptions..*of..the/need..he felt..for sacrifice,..or he could-not possibly..have..been willing..to sacrifice..of..himself.

Anyone..who is..unable/to leave..the requests..*of others
unanswered..has not..entirely transcended..ego-centricity.[ergo/ego]

I never..“gave of myself”..in this..inappropriate way,
nor..would I..ever have/encouraged Cayce..to do so.

Cayce could..not see..the Atonement..as
*totally lacking..in sacrifice..at ANY level.
It/WAS obvious..to him that..the mind cannot/be..so limited...It was equally apparent..to him/that the Soul..is merely..unaffected by such any..mere..idea.[hear?]

This/thus..left him.only the body with which
to..invest..his misperception...This is also..why
he used..his own mind..at the “EXPENSE of/his body.”

its..Because Cayce..was a somewhat erratic listener,that..
he was compelled..to correct his*..own errors..at very great length, and..not always adequately...*Consider..the basis from/which he started,..when he began*..with..“yes, we have/the body.”

It is noteworthy..that in/all these readings,..a large section was actually devoted to..the body,..*even though he/usually concluded with..*the caution..*that the body..cannot be healed..*of/by itself.

It..[the body/obsessiveness/de-emphasized]..
would/have saved..an enormous number..of words
if he/we..had always begun..with this.,,minimization..of the..importance..of body..AND..concerned..more with quality..of mind..and..of loving/works.
Posted by one under god, Monday, 28 October 2013 6:49:32 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
thank-you..all so much..[4..the/value..of..woman[wife]..guidance
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6079&page=0
its..so easy..when/others speak..openly..of..their minds..inner urgings..too.

too..much..is afraid..of being..examined..[gay-marriage]
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6073&page=0
with hind..site..we together..can bring..that..better way

but*..only..when we..*each..have*an equal..say
all..links..have been..interestingly..clear..in..their bias..
but..also..sincerity..of/their/our..fixated-beliefs..roles/rules fun-ctions

[anything..that*hurt's you..personally..
is..ultimately..taken wrongly..[error]..[or rather..put poorly]..
or based on..imaginings[negativity]..[bias/preconceptions..and miss-perceptions..far..more/injurious..to..the author..than..the reader

lest-we forget..if..its_of god..its_all..good
only..men..[ok..man-kind].,.can make..error..but.
these merely affirm..freewill..holds/its..will free..to will freely..as sacrosanct*

anyhow..enough..of me
lets ..ear more..from..our motherly..nurture

[the/mormans..'reveal'..all..woman..may
in-time..be..as/mother-nature..[sustaining..the living..creative possiblity..of life..via...the husband.nurture..[sun]..
life..sustained..by..his/energy..his light

that/just sounds..right

so too.this..from-mother nurture.[2the-power/of2]

<<...to create.equality..I feel.as though..women
have lowered..their moral-standards.>>

there..are only..so.many suns..in/the..heavens.
see most..men/avoid husbanding..thus fail..the test..

<<..I grew-up..in a church..that I..could see
was..preaching something.like this,..women were..encouraged to be modest,..patient..and caring,>>

loving mothers..nurture,,as well/as..are-fertile
[like..our planet[eve]..is natures-nurture/sustaining
all-our live..presently..by..our fathers[energies]

<<...but so..where/the men.>>

sadly..hell..holds
many..enthralled..with..the illusory
even..the best..'wife'..finds ..much to..amuse
http://www.divinetruth.com/PDF/People/Other/Jane%20Sherwood%20-%20Post%20Mortem%20Journal.pdf
http://new-birth.net/booklet/Subaltern_Spirit_Land.pdf

http://new-birth.net/booklet/Gone_West.pdf
http://new-birth.net/booklet/30_years_among_the_dead.PDF

mums/quote..<<..Everyone..was equal/because..the men where
expected to/be modest,..caring.and patient as well..>

again/KEY--info[guidence]
<<..No women..was ever..discouraged..from achieving..
what ever..she wished.too,>>KEY*2<<..or from..speaking
her mind,..but..we were..taught to..do/so.in..the correct way,..as were..the men.>>

the husbands..loving glow..[sun-light]..
warms..the loving/fertile-wife..[earth/eve]
heck..you..have felt..mens-heat..warmth..[basked..in..their gaze?]

<<..I..really wish..that instead
of..women loosing..what..I believe to/be.good morals,..to be equal..that men..had gained them..Instead,.any man..with manners..is accused..of been/sexist..and any female..with modestly is a prude...Its sad...Posted/by Bec_young mum of 2,>>
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6079&page=0
Rebecka/thank-you


eg..take this/topic-author/quote..

<<..The hardest thing..I find..about
sharing anything..about my views,..especially online..[when..we can all hide.behind computers]..and can..avoid looking..at each,,others faces is:..>>

my..guides tell..me..this..2..is a huge key*

[see the role..of the suns-light
[that yet..sustain..mother-nature..her fertility]..

is..as like
how..a loving husband..
gently radiates..his loving look..[warmth/comfort/murmerings].at his..'wife'/confidant..lover..and..mother..to all..his imaginative creations/foibles]

see..the sun..radiates..the husbands/loving
life sustaining..life-forces..like waters..upon parched-soils
and..the mother/nurture[nature]=wife..takes..this feeble..husbanded heat..and creates/sustain/raises..the fathers fruits

we..see the/love..as..each..MARRIAGE*..serves out
their..planetary size/fertile union.

[on the..gay marriage/topic..
forgive them..lord..they know not what they ask
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6073&page=0

i would add..

where..the use..of two/suns[husbands]
better..one sun..plus many planets..[fertile/fruitful-wifes]
some..closer..to..their 'man'..other..more distant..*

each will/have..the nurture/nature..marri-aged/relation-partnered roles..[as likened..to heavenly..marriages[ideal]

according to..their relative[wifely].
matriarchal-hierarchical-positions..

with*..[in conjunction]..with..
their son/of man..[husband-sun]..[like pluto]..or venus..or uranus

ok..for brevity..not content
where..the logic..of two husbands..suns..
.but to burn..out..the poor..one planet[wife]..

two suns[husbands].[hush-banned]..
must eventually..yield their fruits..
and burn..the lessor..or tear..each other apart

so much for..matters..of the'he-art'.

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15542&page=0

research..will reveal..that words..failed..to conceal[or congeal]
Posted by one under god, Monday, 28 October 2013 10:19:08 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
page77..continued

Cayce..and.his devotion..to me are..in..no way..underestimated
by the..realization..that/he worked..under very/great strain,..which is..ALWAYS..a sign/that something.is wrong...

[important-point..when..its right..
it..flows..smoothly..but if it resists..
rethink..its necessity..[or..motivation..or timing]

One..of the difficulties/inherent..in trance/states..is
that..it/is.very/difficult..to overcome..the/split-[mind]..which//the trance itself..induces..through..the medium..['s.. communications..made while/in..the trance state.]

Cayce’s/whole approach..put him..in..a..real double-bind,
from which..he/did=..not recover...When..he spoke..of a dream..in which..he fore-saw..his own..rather..immanent/reincarnation,..he was perfectly-accurate.

He was..sufficiently/attuned..to.,.real-communication
to..make it..easy/to..correct..his errors,..and free..him..to communicate..without strain.

It..is/noticeable..throughout..his notes..that/he..frequently
engaged..in a..fallacy..that..we have/already noted..in..some detail: namely,..*the/tendency..to endow.the physical/*with non-physical
properties.

Cayce..suffered/greatly..from/this..error.
He..did/not..make..either of..the other/three...However,
you..will/remember..that.it is..this/one..which..is particularly vulnerable..to/magical[misscreated/associations.

Cayce’s accuracy..was..so great..that,..even/when
he..did..this,[spiritual-endowed/associations..with the-physical]..
he..was able..to apply it..constructively...*But..it does/not..follow that..this/was..a genuinely..constructive/approach.

It..should also/be..noted that,.when Cayce..attempted
to..“see”..the body/in..proper/perspective,..he saw physically discernible-auras..surrounding it.

This/is..a curious/compromise,..in which..the/non-physical
attributes..of the self..are approached..*AS IF...they/could-be..seen with/the..physical-eye.

Cayce’s/illiteracy..never stood-in..his way...This is
because..illiteracy/does-not.necessarily/imply..any lack-of love,
and.in Cayce’s case..very/definitely..did not...He therefore/had no
difficulty..at all..in overcoming..this seeming limitation.

What..DID hamper..him was a/profound-sense..of personal
unworthiness,..which,/characteristically enough,..was
sometimes..over-compensated/for..in what might-be
called..a Christian/form.of grandiosity.

Cayce..was essentially/uncharitable..to himself.
This..made him.very erratic..in his/own..miracles,
and,..because he/was..genuinely anxious.to help others,..left/himself in..a highly/vulnerable..position.

His son..comments/both..on the..rather..erratic-nature
of..the Cayce/household,..and also-on..the rather..uneven
nature..of Cayce’s temper...Both/of..these observations..are true,
and.clearly/point.to the fact..the Cayce..did/not..apply/the..Peace_of/God..to himself.

Once/this..had occurred,..particularly..in/a man..whose
communication-channels..were open,..it/was..virtually/impossible..for him..to escape/external solutions.

Cayce/was..a very..religious-man,..who should/have..been/able
to ..escape fear..through religion...but..Being/unable..to apply
his..religion/wholeheartedly..to himself,..he was/forced..to accept certain..magical-beliefs..which were..alien to/his..own Christianity.

This..is why..he was/so..different..when he was
asleep,..and even disowned..what he said/in this state.
The lack-of/integration..which this..split-state..implies
is clearly/shown..in certain off..the-mark..detours..into areas such as/the..effects..of stones..on/the mind,..and..some curious/symbolic attempt..to integrate..churches and glands.

[This..is hardly/more//peculiar than
some/of..your own confusion.[b)

Cayce’s mind..was imprisoned/to..some extent
by..an error/against..which you have/been cautioned..several times.

He/looked..to..the-past..for/an..explanation..of..the-present,
but..he never/succeeded..in separating..the past..FROM/the//present.

When..he/said..“mind is/the builder,”.he did-not..realize/that
it-is..only what..it-is..*building_NOW..the really/creates
the future.

The past,..in itself,..*does_not/have..the ability/nor will..to do this...thus..Whenever..we move/from..one instant..to the next,

*the_previous-one..*no longer..exists.*
thus..let..it_go
Posted by one under god, Monday, 28 October 2013 4:40:29 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
page78
In considering..the body..as the focus..*for healing,
Cayce..was expressing..his own failure/to accept..this AS..already..ACCOMPLISHED.

He did-not/fail-to recognize..the value..of the Atonement
for others,..but/he did fail..to accept..its/*corrective merit..for himself..*As we have frequently/emphasized,..*man..[flesh]..CANNOT control..his own errors.

BY VIRTUE..of..Having/created..them,..
he does /by..their very presence..believe in them.
[thus..is..sustaining..their illusory..sub-standard..familiarity..

Because of/his..failure..to accept..his own/perfect-freedom..FROM the past,..Cayce could/not..really-perceive/others..as similarly free.

This.is/why ..I have/not..wholly/endorsed
the Cayce documents..[for widespread use.]

I am..heartily-supportive of..the ARE’s endeavor..to
make Cayce’s..singular contributions/immortal,..but..it/would be..most unwise..to have them..promulgated..as a faith/..until they
have been..purged..of.their essential errors.

This is..why there have/been..a number of
unexplained..set backs.in their..explication.

It..is also..one of/the..many reasons..why regarding..the
Cayce material,..a major step..in/the speedup,.[of revelation..
must be..properly/understood..before..it can/be..meaningfully validated.

Cayce’s son..has/been wise..in attempting/to deal with
reliability,..which in Cayce’s-case is very high.

*There is.a way of validating t..he material,..and Hugh-Lynn
is perfectly/aware that this..must be done eventually...He is also aware of/the..fact that he..is unable to/do it...In the present-state of/the material,..it would/be most unwise..even-to attempt it.

There..is too much..that IS.invalid...When..the/time comes
that..this can/be..corrected..to the/point of real safety,..

I assure you it..will be..accomplished.

In tribute.to Cayce,..I remind you/that no effort*..is wasted,..
and Cayce’s effort..was very great...It would/be most ungrateful..of me if..I allowed his-work..to produce..a generation of/witch doctors...I am sorry..that Cayce himself...could not rid..himself of/a..slight-tendency in/this direction.

But fortunately..I have..a fuller..appreciation
*of him.than he had...I am repeating here..a Biblical
injunction..of my own,..already mentioned elsewhere,..that..*if my followers..eat..any deadly thing..it shall not..hurt them.

This is..what Cayce..could/NOT believe,..because
he..could-not see that,..as a/Son of God,..he WAS..invulnerable.

We have..repeatedly/stated..that the basic-concepts referred to throughout the notes/are..NOT matters of degree...Certain fundamental concepts..CANNOT*..be meaningfully/understood..in terms/of co-existing polarities.

It is impossible..to conceive..of light and..darkness
at the same time..or everything..and nothing..as joint possibilities.

They are..all true..OR all false.

It-is absolutely..essential..that..you understand*..completely
that behavior..is*..erratic..*until.a firm-commitment..*to one or..*the other is made.

A firm/commitment..*to darkness..or nothingness
is impossible...Nobody..*has ever lived/who has-not
experienced some light..and some..of everything-else..

This has made..everybody/really*..unable to deny
truth[totally]..,even if/he deceives..himself..in this connection..most of..the time.

That is why/those..who live largely..in darkness
and..emptiness..never..seem-to..find any/lasting solace.

(This really/answers B’s..question
about whether..people return..voluntarily.)
Posted by one under god, Monday, 28 October 2013 6:37:47 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Innocence..is also/not..a partial attribute.
It..is not/a real..defense until..it is totally..free from/fear.

When..innocence..is partial,..it is/characterized.by the
same erratic nature..that holds for/other two-edged-defenses.

The partly/innocent..are/..apt to/be..quite stupid..at times...
It is not/until..their/innocence..is..a genuine-viewpoint...which is universal..*in its application..that it becomes..wisdom.

Innocent..(or true)[non-judgmental]....perception
means that...you NEVER perceive,..[judge/other wrongly]..
and thus..always see,..that of the good'truly...More simply,
this means..that you..*never see..*what does not exist..*in reality.

to..see..no evil=is..a step..towards/knowing..
the truth..of their being...Whenever..you lack confidence
in/what..someone else..will do,..you are..attesting..to your belief that he/is not..in his Right Mind.

*This..is hardly..a miracle-based
frame of reference...It also has the/disastrous..effect
of denying..(incorrect use)[inhibiting..the essentially*..creative power..of the miracle...The miracle..via heart revelation..perceives everything..AS IT IS...as-If nothing/but..the truth exists.

(and..this..is really/redundant in statement..because/
what.;is-not true...CANNOT exist)..Right-Minded seeing/cannot see ANYTHING*..BUT perfection.

We/have said..many-times..that ONLY/what God-creates,
or..what man creates/with the same[good]-will,..has any real existence...This,..then,..is all-that..the innocent..*can see...They do not suffer..from the delusions..of the-Separated/ones.

The way/to..correct..*all such delusions..is to withdraw
your faith..from them,.and invest-it..*ONLY in/what..is true.[good]

To whatever/extent..you abide..with false perception
*in yourself or/others,..you are validating..a basic misperception. You..CANNOT validate..the invalid.

I..would..suggest/that you..voluntarily give-up
all attempts...to do so,..because they..can..be/only frantic.
[distressed/destracted..agitated/angry/delirious/distraught/frenetic frenzied/furious/hectic/mad/overwrought.

If you/are..willing to validate.only..what is true
in everything..you perceive,..you will-make it..true..for you.

Remember..that we said
that truth..overcomes..ALL error.
This means..that if/you..perceive-truly,
you are..canceling out misperceptions..in yourself..AND others..*simultaneously.*

Because..you see them/as they..*were really created
and..can..*really create,..you offer them/your own..validation of THEIR truth...This is..the real/healing..which the..miracle*actively
creates.[via revelation]..

(Reply/to..HS question:..Is this all?
The reason..why this/is so short,..despite..its extreme
importance,..is because..it is..*not symbolic...*This means
*that..it is not*..open..to more than one/interpretation.

This means..that it is..unequivocal.
It also explains..the quotation..which you-have.never gotten correctly..in complete/form before:..

“But this..we know,..that when He
shall appear..(or be perceived)..we shall..be
like Him..for..we shall see Him..as He really..is.

And/every man..that hath/this hope..in him
purifieth-himself..even..as He..*is pure.”..*Every man
DOES_have..the hope..that he can see/correctly,..because..the ability to..*do so..*is IN*..him.

Man’s ONLY hope..IS to see/things..as they are).
“Jesus,...help me see..my brother
..as..he really is,..and thus..release..both him..and me.”
Posted by one under god, Monday, 28 October 2013 8:29:44 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Every-time/there is..anything-un-loveable..
that crosses..one’s mind..[re sex,..possession,..etc.)..you should/immediately..recognize
that you..do/not want*.to hurt..your brother.)..

the..prayer..for..the-miracle/
occurred..as follows/as..stated.above.)

You..had a lot/of trouble..afterwards..with/the..words
(which are..essentially/irrelevant)..partly-because..you..were dissatisfied..with/yourself..at the time,[this loud/emoting..overwhelms..anything..your/trying..to reveal..in..as clear/focused..as..possible]..

but..also ..because*...you ARE/confused..
about/the..difference between..perception and..cognition.[so..your thoughts..literally..are scattered/to the winds]..

(Aside:..One of..the exceptions..is in/the..correction
formulation..for fear/avoidance,..which/begins..with...*KNOWing..what..you know..first)

You..will/note..that
we/have said..very little..about cognition..as yet.
The reason..is because..you must*..get/your perceptions..straightened out..*before..you..can KNOW..anything.[that..which..you perceive..must*BE..perceived rightly]..notbe p..rojected..upon-it;

recall case/error..[a chair..is..a chair..
regardless..of who-ever..sat-in..there]..[only..then..you-may recognize..what*..you know]..To know..is to/be certain.
Uncertainty merely..means..that you/DON’T know.

Knowledge..is _power..*BECAUSE..it*..is_certain,..and
certainty...is strength/permanence...Perception..is/temporary...
It..is_an/attribute..of..the/space-time belief,..and..is..*therefore subject/to..the[fear..or..love]...blinkers..that shade..clear-seeing.

Misperception..produces*..fear,
and..*true-perception..produces love.
NEITHER produces/certainty..because..*all perception varies...That is why..like..cayce/..it/is..NOT..true/..but..circumstantial[or..irrelevant]-knowledge.

True_perception..is..the BASIS..for..all-knowledge,
but/KNOWING..is_the/affirmation..of_truth...of..the perception..[not preconception]

All/of..your_difficulties..ultimately*stem/from..the fact
that you..do-not recognize,..or/KNOW,..yourselves,..each other,..nor God...

“Recognize”..means..to..“know*again.”..This
means/that..which..you..*knew..before.[re-cognition]

(Note/that..it_does/not..simplistically..mean..that
you..merely..*SAW before.)..You_can see..in many/ways,..because..perception..*involves different..interpretations,..of-what..is being seen..

this/means..it-is/not_whole...
IS..the..complete knowing-seeing..of all..its..essences..of its/being..being seen....or/

only..your pre-conceived..un-perceived-seeings[illusions/hope/fear/..infatuations/idolitry]

The_miracle..is..a way..of..PERCEIVING,..
not*..a way-of..revelatory-knowing...

It is..knowing..the_right/answer..to
a..correct question,..but..you..do_not..*ask questions..*at all..*when*..you know.*

Questioning/delusions..is_the/first-step..in..undoing them.

The_miracle,..or..the/right..answer,..corrects..errant/attributions...
Since*perceptions..can/CHANGE,..their..dependence/on..time-is..obvious.

thus..They/are..subject-to..transitory-states,
and..this-implies..variability..by/definition..

How_you/perceive..at..any/given_time..determines..what
you-DO,about..that/perceived..as..much/as why..it..was perceived..thusly....and..remedial-action..[self-correction]..
MUST_occur..[can_only_occur]..in..subsequent/sequential-time.

Knowledge..is_timeless.[JUDGMENTS]..is/not..questionable.
You KNOW*..when*..you/have ceased..to ask/questions.

The..“questioning-mind”..perceives..itself..[in-time],..and
therefore looks..for/FUTURE-answers..as-to..future actions...

The-unquestionin/ mind..is closed*..merely
because/it believes..the..future..and.the
present..will-be..[can/onl;y-be]..the same.

This..establishes..an-unchanged-state,..
or..mind-stasis.[much..like mind-death][of..null-affect]

This..is usually..an/attempt....of body/mind..to counteract..an underlying..fear..that/the-future..will/be..[must*inevitably-be..WORSE..than.the present,]..

injurious..pre-judgment..self_defeating/
negative/mind-babble][voicing childish..immolation]..

and..this/pathetic/childish/churlish-fear
inhibits..the tendency/or urge..to question..anything..at all.

thus the..mindless-sleepers..sleep
Visions..are..the natural/perception..
of the..spiritual eye,..but they..are still..corrections...of our perceptions..[B’s/question..about the..“spiritual-eye”..was.a very legitimate one...

The..“spiritual eye”..is/symbolic,..
and..wrought..by..therefor..not a device..for-perceiving..therefore..NOT a-device..for knowing.

It IS,..however,..a means..of right-perception,..which
brings it..into the proper-domain..for the miracle,..but NOT/of revelation.

PROPERLY speaking,..a “vision/of God”..is a miracle
rather/than..a revelation..The fact that/perception..is involved..at all..removes..*the experience..away..from the realm..of knowledge*.

That-is..why these/visions..do not last.
The Bible..instructs you..to..“KNOW thyself,”.or BE CERTAIN.

Certainty..is always..of/God.[yet*not..obstinately]
When..you love..someone,..*you have..*PERCEIVED..him..as he is,
and..this makes..it/possible..for you..to KNOW him...as shaded..by what...was..imaginativly/percieved

*But..it is/not..until..you RECOGNIZE him..that you..*KNOW-him.
*Only then..are you ABLE..to stop/mind..from asking..questions..about him.

While..you ask/questions...about God,
you..*are clearly..implying..that you do NOT..know him.

Certainty*..does not/require..action.
When you/say you-are ACTING..on the basis/of sure knowledge,
you..are really confusing..perception..WITH cognition.

*Knowledge brings..MENTAL strength..for
creative THINKING,..but not..for right doing.
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 29 October 2013 7:04:21 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Perception, miracles and doing are closely related. Knowledge is a result of revelation,
and induces only thought (thinking). Perception involves the body even in its most
spiritualized form. Knowledge comes from the altar within, and is timeless because it is
certain. To perceive the truth is not the same as KNOWING it. This is why B. is having so
much trouble in what he calls “integrating” the notes.

His tentative perception is too
uncertain for knowledge, because knowledge is SURE. Your perception is so variable
that you swing from sudden but real knowledge to complete cognitive disorganization.
This is why B. is more prone to irritation, while you are more vulnerable to rage. He is
consistently BELOW his potential, while you achieve it at times and then swing very
wide of the mark.

Actually, these differences do not matter. But I thought you might be glad to learn
that you are much better off with DIFFERENT perceptual problems than you would be if
you suffered from similar ones. T

his enables each of you to RECOGNIZE (and this is the
right word here) that the misperceptions of the other are unnecessary. It is because you
do not KNOW what to do about it that B. reacts to yours with irritation, and you respond
to his with fury.

I repeat again that if you ATTACK error,
you will hurt yourself. You do not
RECOGNIZE each other when you attack.

Attack is ALWAYS made on a stranger. You are
making him a stranger by misperceiving him, so that you CANNOT know him. It is
BECAUSE you have made him into a stranger that you are afraid of him. PERCEIVE him
correctly, so that you Soul can KNOW him.

Right perception is necessary
before God can communicate DIRECTLY to his own
altars, which he has established in His Sons.

There he can communicate His certainty,
and His KNOWLEDGE will bring the peace WITHOUT question.
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 29 October 2013 7:24:05 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
God is not..a stranger..to His Own
Suns,..and..His Sons..are not*..to-be..strangers to each other.

Knowledge preceded..both perception and time,
and will also..ultimately replace..(or correct/for).them.

This is the real meaning.of the Biblical account
of God as..“Alpha and Omega,/the Beginning and the End.”

It also explains..the
quotation.“Before Abraham..WAS,..I AM.”
Perception can...and must_be stabilized,..but knowledge IS stable.

“Fear God..and keep His
Commandments”..is a real scribal error.
It should read,..“KNOW God and accept His/certainty.”
(This error..is why..the commandments..are all negative,..
in contrast to Christ’s/statement..about..“Thou shalt love”,.etc.)..
There are no strangers..in His Creation.[so..why..in/his fathers/houses?]

To create/as He Created,
you can create..only what you KNOW..and accept as yours...to create.
God knows His Children[pro-creation]..with perfect certainty...He pre-Created..them by knowing them...*firstly..He thus..recognizes them perfectly.

When they do-not recognize..each other,
they do not-recognize Him...

Brothers can misperceive..one another,
but they rarely maintain.that they/do not..even..KNOW each other. This is possible..only if they maintain..that they are NOT really
brothers.*

The Bible is..VERY specific..on this point[why are/you not?]

Most of the abilities..man now possesses..are only shadows..of his real strengths...The/Soul knows,.loves, and creates...These are/its unequivocal functions...

All of the functions/of man are equivocal,..or open-to question..or doubt...This is because..he can no longer be/certain ]..of..how he will..best-USE them.

He is..therefore incapable/of knowledge,..
because he is/uncertain...He is also incapable/of true loving,

because..he can perceive love-lessly...He/cannot create surely, because perception deceives,..and illusions are not pure.

Perception did/not exist
until the Separation had..introduced degrees,..of knowinmg
and of..diveregent-aspects/sources/messengers and..intermidable silent-intervals...that we unite..or jointknowings.

The Soul has..no levels,..and ALL conflict
arises from..the concept of levels..of breed/race/local..religion/even..messenger/mess-ages..holy texts..and churches

Wars/arise..when some regard others
as if they/were on..a different lower/level.
All interpersonal-conflicts..arise from this fallacy.

Only the levels..of the Trinity
are capable*of Unity.

The-levels..which man created
by the Separation..are disastrous...They cannot BUT conflict.
This is because..one is essentially..meaningless to another.

Freud realized this perfectly,/and..that is why..he conceived as forever irreconcilable..the different levels.of his..own-psyche.

They were..conflict-prone by definition,..because they wanted different things*..and obeyed..to..different principles/creeds/trite-rite..and rote ritual.

stop dividing my..house as if..it were night soil
spoil/of war..war no more...get it together..[for sure]
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 29 October 2013 7:43:16 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
YE..SHALT*BE..wise as serpents
yet..as..innocent/nonjudgmental..as*children

In/our..mind-visualization..picture of..the psyche,
there is..an..unconscious/level,..which properly.consists*..*ONLY of the miracle-ability...and-should..be..under/MY direction;..

and/at..a conscious level,/which perceive..
or ..is aware..of impulses..*from both..the/unconscious
and..the/supe-rconscious...as..These..are/the sources of..the impulses..it receives.

Consciousness..is thus/the level..
of perception,..but_NOT..knowing..of*..its knowledge.

Again,..*to_PERCEIVE..*is NOT_to..*know.
(In/this connection,..Cayce..*is more-accurate.than Freud.)
Consciousness..was the..first/slip/split..that man*introduced..(into himself...*He became..a/PERCEIVER/judge..rather_than...a-creator..in the true/sense.

Consciousness..is.correctly/identified
as the domain..of the ego...Jung was right..indeed
in/insisting..that..the ego is..*NOT_the self,..and.*that/the-self should-be..regarded as-an/achievement.[our_own/creation]..

He did/not..RECOGNIZE..(a term..we/now..more-fully/understand)
that..the*Achievement..of truth..was God’s...origpnal-creation.

In a sense,..the-ego..was..a man-made/attempt
to perceive..himself..*as he_wished,/rather than...as he IS.
This is-an example..of the..created/v\creator..confusion..we spoke/of
before.

*He can-only KNOW/himself..as..he_IS,..now
because..that/is..*all he-can..truly..be SURE of...now*
Everything else..IS open-to.question.

The ego..is the questioning/compartment
in/the..post-Separation-psyche..which man/created.for himself.

*It is..capable of asking..valid-questions,
but/not..of perceiving.wholly/which..are[not/were]..valid answers, because..these are/cognitive,..and thus..cannot_..BE perceived.

The endless/speculation..about/the meaning..of mind..has
led to..considerable_confusion..because*the/mind_IS confused...of fear.*

Only..One-Mindedness/fearlessness..[loving/of other]..is without confusion...A separate,..or divided-mind..MUST_be confused.[one cannot serve/two-masters]

A divided/mind..is uncertain*..*by definition.
*It HAS to.be in..conflict..because it/is..*out of-accord..with itself.

Intra-personal conflict..arises from.the same basis
as interpersonal...One part of the/psyche..*perceives..another/part ..as on..a different LEVEL,..and/thus..does not_understand it.

This..makes..the parts
strangers to each other,..WITHOUT..any-means..of
reconciliation..via RECOGNITION...This is..the essence/of the..*fear-prone..[stasis/immobilized/paralyzing-condition,..in.which attack..is ALWAYS*possible.

Man..has/every reason..to feel anxious,
*as he..perceives himself...This/is why..he
cannot/escape fear..until he..*KNOWS..that..which..he DID_not.and CAN*_not ..*create of/himself.

*He can..NEVER..make this..[error/misperception] valid,
and when..he at/last PERCEIVES..clearly,..*he..next..is GLAD HE
CAN’T/couldn't/didn't..try.

His_Creation..is beyond..his own error/variance,
and this..is why..*he MUST eventually/choose.to heal the Separation.

Right-mindedness is not to/
be confused with the KNOWING mind,..because it is
applicable..only to right perception...You can be right-minded or wrong-minded,..and this/is subject to degrees,..a fact which clearly demonstrates...a lack..of association..with/true..knowledge.

(No, Helen,..this is PERFECTLY-clear
and..DOES follow..the previous/section.
Neither you..nor I..is at-all confused,..even in grammar.)
The term..“right-mindedness”..is properly used..as the_correction for wrongmindedness,

and..applies/to the.state..of mind which
induces..accurate perception...It is/miraculous
because*..it heals..errant/misperception,..and..healing..is indeed a miracle,..in view..of/how man..perceives himself.

BUT..Only the sick..NEED healing.
The Soul does not/need healing,..but the mind DOES.

but what worse..judging healing is
warranted/hereby..therefor..or that..judging..the other mind is sick*
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 29 October 2013 8:24:28 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Freud gave..a very graphic..but..inverted/upside-down account
of how the divisions of the..mind arose.from the bottom UP.

Actually,..this is impossible,..because the unconscious
cannot create the conscious..*..You cannot..create something you can’t KNOW.

Freud was/greatly..worried about this,..being VERY bright,
though misguided,..and attempted to get/around it..by introducing a number of..“borderline”..areas.which merely resulted in fuzziness.

This was particularly/unfortunate,..because he/was
capable of going much higher,..if he/had not been so afraid.

This is why he kept..pulling the mind-function..DOWN.
The ego..did NOT arise..out of the unconscious.

A lower-order perception..cannot..*create a higher-order one,
(which is the way..you perceive the structure..of the psyche if
you look at it..from the bottom UP)..*because it doesn’t understand it.

But a higher-order/perception..CAN create..a lower-order
by understanding it..in terms of..pre-conceived/MISperception.

*Perception..*ALWAYS involves..some misuse..of will,
because it..ACTIVLY..involves the mind into..areas of uncertainty.

The mind is very active..because it has will-power.][fixation..toachieve..piure-pose*

When it willed/the Separation..it..yet..willed to perceive.
Until it chose to do..this,..it willed..*only to know.[but then..the burden..of knowing/obliges one..and watch-us run..

After-wards,..it had/to will..*ambiguously,[feign ignorance/self censor*]..and the only way_out/of..ambiguity IS clear..via..clear/true..perception...of what..now..is*.

The mind..returns itself to its proper-function..only when*
it finally..matures..sees nouse..for scape-goating..once..it WILLS TO KNOW...This/places it..in the Soul’s service,..where perception is meaningless.

The superconscious..is/the level..of the mind..which wills
*to..do this...(Freud was particularly/distorted..on this
point,..because he was getting..too far UP..for comfort according to his own perception.)

But..he WAS right..in maintaining that..the “parts”
of the psyche..*cannot be*..correctly perceived..*either as
dependant.."THINGS"..or as entirely separate[independant..]...(He would have thought..better if he had said..“entirely separated.”)

The mind DID divide itself..when it willed..to create
its own levels..AND the ability to/perceive them...But
it could NOT entirely-separate..itself from the Soul,..because it is FROM..[soul=form]..the Soul..that it*s/form..[informs]..thus derives its whole power to create.

Even in miscreating, will is affirming its
source, or it would merely cease to be.

This is impossible, because it IS part of the Soul,
which God created, and which is therefore eternal.

The ability to perceive made the body possible, because you must perceive..SOMETHING,..and WITH something.

This is why perception involves an exchange, or a
translation, which knowledge does NOT need.
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 29 October 2013 1:59:06 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
The interpretive/function..of perception,
(is..actually,..a distorted form..of creation),
which..then permitted man..to interpret..the body [or paperwork/id/license..etc]..
as-if..they are..HIMSELF,..
which,..although depressing,.was a way out of the/conflict..he..himself..induced.

(This/has already..been covered/in some detail.)
The super-conscious,..*which KNOWS,..*could not/be..reconciled with this loss.;.of power,..because it was..*incapable of..illusory/darkness.

This is why..it..has..became..almost inaccessible..to the
mind.. and entirely*..inaccessible..to the body...as..It was PERCEIVED..as a threat,..because light/'does abolish..ANY*..darkness by..establishing..the clear-fact..that it ISN’T THERE.

the slightest..glimmer..of dawn..dispels..the_darkest/night..
The truth will*ALWAYS destroy error*..in this sense.

This is not.an ACTIVE process..of destruction at_all.
We have already..emphasized the fact..*that knowing does_not*DO anything.

yet..It can be_PERCEIVED as
an attacker,..*but it CANNOT attack...truth/love/grace/mercy.

What..man..perceives
as its attack..is his own..recognition_of the fact
that it can always..be REMEMBERED,..because it..[of fact/thus reveals..it..was never..destroyed.

[what..means..NEVER WAS?]

This..is not..a literal..re-membering
as much..as a dis-membering...[disassembling..the illusion]

(That is..largely..so..for B.
I wish he/would decide..to use that/talent of his
constructively...He has no idea..of how powerful..it could be.

Actually,..it does/come from the unconscious,
and is really..a distorted form/of..miraculous perception/which he has reduced..to word twisting.[spin]

Although this..can be quite funny,
it is still..a real/waste.[dis-appointment..wrote..large]

Maybe he’d care..to let me control it,
and still use it..humorously himself.

He/doesn’t have to decided..if..it is one..NOR the other.)
The unconscious should..never have been reduced
to a “container” for..the waste
products of conflict.

Even as..HE perceives his psyche,
every level has a creative potential,
because nothing..man creates..can wholly lose this.

The ego is as frail as Freud perceived it.
The later theorists..have tried to introduce a
less pessimistic view,.but have looked..in the wrong direction for their hope...Any attempt/to..endow the ego..with/the attributes of the Soul,..is merely confused thinking.

recall..cayce
things,..dont accord..spirit

[do de-fuse].no..
things..[nothing]*no..*thing..exude's..nothing..of spirit-

[meaning]..they may..hold traces..but..not any/life-essence
even..by association..[its..the illusory..[cayce]..in point]

imagery..is only..*image
regardless of..the image..
the image..imagines..to reveal

Freud was/more..clear-sighted..about this,
because he kne.. a BAD thing.when he perceived it, but
he failed..to realize recognize..that...anillusery bad thing..*cannot truly..exist*.

It is..therefore..wholly
unnecessary..to try*../..to..get*_out..of it.

As you..very rightly observed..yourself,
the thing to do/with..a desert..is to LEAVE.

and so...johan emerged from..the just..desert..
and..wondered/back..into..the mists..of time..

http://miraclevision.com/acim/urtext/acim-urtext-2003-upe-ready-edition.pdf

leaving..the last parra of
page..84..till some..other time.
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 29 October 2013 4:55:37 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
The/unconscious..should-never..have/been..
reduced to..a...“container”..for the waste/products..of conflict...
the conscious avoids..Even as HE/perceives..his..psyche,..seeing/that..every level..has/a creative-potential,..because/nothing..man creates..can wholly.lose this...causal-echo.

God..and..the Souls..He created
remain..in surety,truth/grace/good..etc..
and therefore..our soul-body..KNOW's..that no..miscreation/..pre-exists.

Truth..cannot..deal with..un-willing-error..[undoing-errors]., because..it-does_not will..to be/blocked out...by/half truths[which..are thus..fully errant]..[fully-wrong]

But..jesus..was a man/who
remembered..the-Soul..and..its true-knowledge.

Tell B...that/when..he..CHOSE..to refuse/to..misperceive
he was..indeed/behaving..as..*I behaved...And..as a-man,..I did/not attempt..to counteract-error..with knowledge,.so much/as..seeking..to correct_error..from-the/bottom-up...built..[on..firm-foundation]

I..demonstrated..both the/powerlessness..of..the body[alone..
AND..the_power of..the/mind,[all-one]..by uniting..MY will
with_the..will..of..my Creator,..

which..naturally re-membered..
[as opposed/by..dis-memberd]..ie..[re-joined]..
the-Soul..and..its own..real/true-purpose.

I..cannot/unite..your-will..with God’s...for*..you.
But..I CAN erase..all-misperceptions..from..your mind,
if.you will/bring it..under_my guidance...ONLY_your/misperceptions stand-in/your..own way...

Without them,..your..own choice..is certain...
with-them..truth..remains veiled..un-revealed..like/behind..a curtain

Sane-perception.INDUCES..sane choosing...The Atonement
was/an act..[in shared-truth]..based_on..true perception.

I cannot..choose for..your truths,..for/you,
but..I_CAN/help..you make..your..*own right-choice...once you*place..your_choices..before/me..by prayer.

“Many..are called..but..few..are chosen”..

SHOULD read,

“ALL..are called..*but..few have..choose..to listen...
Therefore,..they_do/not choose..RIGHTLY.”.[they..CHOSE..misscreations..of ego..

[did they feel*..they had a choice..[were they..informed?]

The .“chosen.ones”..are merely..those/who..choose/choice..rightly some..SOONER...by..choosing..the meam of good-truth..to..find expression..via..the-self..as servant..unto/other..as the father..serves_every/other...

This is..the real/meaning..of the..celestial-speed-up...Strong
wills can..will..to-do this..NOW...And you..WILL find rest...for your Souls...from-now on..into..the eternal..now*

We said before..that the sole..ability..of abilities./.of soul
which man possesses..are only..shadows of his..true celestial-abilities. [unlike the hellish..diss-abilities]

be..self-enabled..not..self-disabled

The soul’s/true functions..are knowing,
loving,trusting/testing..learning and creating.
The..intrusion/of-the ability..that wills..to perceive,..which is inherently-judgmental,..was...introduced...only after...the/Separation.

No_one..has/been sure..of..anything since then.

You will..also remember that I..made it very/clear
that the Resurrection..was the..*return to knowledge,
which was/accomplished..by the union.of my will..with the Father’s.

Since..the Separation,..the words “create”..
and “make”..are inevitably confused...When/you make something,
you make/it...first out of a sense of lack..or need,..and second,.. out of..a something..that..already exists...[but was..only seen/via heart-revelation..that realized..[made-real]..its_miracle.

Anything..can be..that is made
is made..for a specific/purpose...It has no..true...generalized-ability...of self.

When you/make something..to fill a..perceived-lack,..which is obviously..a logical-reason..why_you/would try/to..make anything,..you..are tacitly..implying..that you
believe..in the Separation.
thus sustain..it.

Knowing..does..not lead..to doing,
as we have.frequently observed/already.

(Note..that the term..“insight”,..though referring/to lofty perception's,..is not..an attribute/of knowledge...This
is why..terms like “lofty”..are meaningless..in..this context.

Insight is/not..the way TO knowledge,
but it IS..a prerequisite..FOR which knowledge.
Being of God's truths..knowledge has nothing to do..with your perceptions..at all...That is why..it..can only be a..gift..of God TO you.)

God knows you..only in/peace,
and this..IS your reality*.
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 29 October 2013 10:33:21 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
religion..seems to have missed..the point/that..ethics..are descriptions..of spontaneous/feeling-states,..rather than rules/to be legislated...Being.."forced"..to.."love one's neighbor,"...

one may never learn..to do it spontaneously...Lower-developmental/stages never succeed..in "legislating" higher ones...
http://www.gurdjieff.am/in-search/index.pdf

Christ's exhortation..is..rather..a call/to transformation,.through growth;..the only way..to reach the next stage...This growth/then..is a primary task..of the regeneration process.

Regeneration,..says Swedenborg,..is accomplished/from within,
through..the mysterious process..of influx...This is a concept as much..cosmological..as psychological. It.extends..from/the source of life..(God)..through several-orders or..."degrees"..of creation.

In both systems,..human-life..as well/as..organic life..are intermediate stages..in a process/of energy transformation:..From the spiritual-Sun..[the-father/husband]..to the..natural sun[son],..to organic life on earth.[mother/wife]

Swedenborg says:

There/is..a continual influx..from the celestial..into..the spiritual/world..into the natural...He who does-not know..that there is..a/spiritual world..and that..it is distinct/from..the natural world..can know nothing..of this influx.

It is the..spiritual-principle..which derives..its origin
from the..light..wherein the Lord is,,..though..the sun...and proceeds-to..the ultimates..[living/end-fruits..children..of the earth-mother]..of nature,..that produces..the forms..of the vegetables and animals,..and exhibits..the wonders/that..are in both;

and..it clothes them..with material substances[energy/within energy]..from the earth..[external/body-form]..from..god..[internal/life-force]..that these forms...may be fixed..and enduring...according..to..their will's/want's/need..and works..[uses]..natures.

The human being,..while partaking..in organic life,
also rises..above the/rest of creation..in being..a conscious
or mental-aware-recipient..of direct spiritual-influx..(sdee/Gurdjieff's "three-brained beings").

The influx..through man's/higher-faculties..is considered by Swedenborg..to come from the Lord...The lower..comes through the domain..of nature..and is the libidinous-desire..of Freud's id,..and the natural egocentricity..we have....discussed/as...each human-child's birthright.

Swedenborg sees.."the natural"..and.."the spiritual"..as actual intertwined_spirals..of energy;..curiously anticipatory..of the double helix..of DNA.

[Man is]..born an animal...but becomes a man.[menche]
The natural..mind,..with all..things..[good/true]..pertaining/into it,.revolves in spiral motions..from right to left;..but the spiritual-mind,..in spiral motions..from left to right.

These minds/are thus..in a contrary/flux/flow..movement
relative..to each other;..as..an indication..that evil resides in the natural mind,..and that of..itself it..re-acts..against the spiritual mind.

We..think of..the Gnostic-dualisms,..(the motif/of..the dark brother, or..the hairy brother..and the smooth brother)...The alternative..to the fratricide..there must-be..a piercing..of the cloud..of unknowing which/causes..each..to think..of/the..other as..enemy
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 30 October 2013 6:28:26 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
While..Swedenborg..was/raised..in..a society..far_more absolutist/than..our own..its..understanding/of good..and evil,..allows*for..the concept-of..regeneration..

allows..to show..the process/of..human/spiritual-growth..to-be/a dialogue:..between *the faculties..of-will..(feeling) and..understanding..(cognition),..between/natural/seen/affect..and unseen/spiritual,causes..between..man..and God.

For..man/thinks..and..wills..*as_if..from himself,..
and/this ."as_if..from himself"..is/the ..reciprocal..of conjunction;..with*..celestial/cloud-mind]....for there..can be no/conjunction ..without..*a reciprocal.[action/re-action]

William-Butler/Yeats..was-to/see..the human-psyche..as..two interlocking....cones..or..spirals..(/*\[w][M]see A Vision)...

Between these..spirals..*play..the pairs/of..opposites..of will..
that..mask..and..reveal-creative..into-like/mind..and..according..as body/of fate..decree..[circum-polar].

Yeats'..rendering..is..closer/to..the/less..dualistic-Celtic tradition,..which..has always/tended..to portray*..life..as/a dialogue*[key]..of..a spiritual-dimension..nurture..with/human-nature..and mother nurture.

The yogic/kundalini/serpent,..like_the..natural-spiral,
lies..coiled..around..her phallus..at/the..base.of/'the spine
(and/the nadis,..Ida..and Pingala,..coil around/the Sushumna).102

The..caduceus..of-healing,..inherited..from..fore-gone/classical-time's,..also shows..the "serpents"..intertwined..round..a staff.

The..iconic message..to..the human/sufferer..is clear:
holistic-health..includes*both serpents,..both_spirals.

Carl Jung,..like Swedenborg,..were also..to come to..their own unique ethical/stance..on this issue;..but/through..the attainment ..of the universal-ethical principle level,..not*..through..a legalistic imitation..of the/family patriarch.

Jung..would later..write his Answer to Job,..and develop/the technique..of.."embracing/the dark brother"..in the dialogue..with the shadow...

He conceived of/this..as the starting work-of/the individuation process..(the masterwork/being..the dialogue..with..the anima).

We have/already..followed some..of these stages..in Swedenborg's own life...His subsequent idea/of regeneration..bespeaks/the same slow process..of moral/transformation..as Jung's-individuation.104

Both..men agree..that man..is a.."receptacle"..for trans-personal forces..(Jung's-archetypes,.Swedenborg's/spirit..world.)

Jung writes:

The religions..should therefore/constantly..recall.to us
the origin..and original character..of living-spirit,..lest man should/forget..what he is drawing ..*into..himself..and with_what..he is filling..his consciousness...mortal..momentums.

*He himself..*did not*..create/the spirit,..rather..the spirit
makes/him..creative,..always*..spurring him on,..giving him*lucky ideas,..staying_power,.."enthusiasm"..and.."inspiration."

So much,..indeed..does it/permeate..his whole being[plus his whole earthy creation]..[other]..that he-is..in the gravest..danger/of miss-thinking..that he*..actually created..the spirit[E]..and that he "has"..it..[of himself]

In reality,..the primordial-0phenomenon/of..the spirit takes possession*..of him,..and,..while appearing..to/be..the willing object/of human-intentions..it binds..his freedom/thus..becomes an obsessive..idea en-force...[vile]..Spirit threatens..the naive minded man..with inflation...of that..of that-totemic..[a-la cayce]

And from Swedenborg,..we have/that..the knowledge..of man
is that..of merely vessels..or recipients,..and that too..of a rude, yeah,..of the rudest kind,..into which/are poured[from the celestial-Lord]..those things..which they..*were designed..to contain...[hold preserve..embodied/stasis]

and

Every-man..as according..to his spirit/nature,
although he..does not*..know of..it,[forgive them/lord..they know-not..what..they want..thee to..prove]..

mankind..is/in..society..with spirits..as much as beasts..while he lives..in the..materialized-flesh/blood-body...Through them..a good man..is..informed..in..an angelic-society..and an evil man..is performed..in an infernal society.

While/these..ideas may seem..archaic/to..the modern skeptic, skirting all..too-close..to primitive animism,..they are/in fact..ideas so widespread..as to merit..inclusion/consideration..in the perennial psychology.

It/is..only among/the.."scientifically-socialized"..that such things are viewed.as unusual..where the people..have no problem..at/all..with the concept..of.."the spirit world."

But..while we/may..feel we.."understand"..the spiritual..in these cultural contexts,..perhaps..we grow less..comfortable/with the "spiritualists"..closer to home,..[alone]
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 30 October 2013 7:11:31 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
extracted/from
http://www.earlymoderntexts.com/pdfbits/htaste.pdf

*become..hesitant/in this contest..of sentiment..context
to claim positively..that they alone..are/right.

[In Hume’s/day a..‘sentiment’..could be..felt..as-a feeling,
or expressed..as/an opinion,..or..revealed..by..an attitude.]

In this essay..the word..nearly always means...feeling’,
inspiration/in-fluence..or possession..but..‘sentiment’..will
be-left untouched...throughout]..[this seems..because..sentiment..is the intimate..impulse..[inner]..of the outer/as expressed..by our-freewill

This variety/of..•taste,[preferences/expressed/including those repressed]..which is obvious...at/but..a casual glance,..

[that]..turns out on examination..to/be..even •greater
in reality..than/in appearance...Men often differ..about
beauty and ugliness..of all kinds,..even when they talk in
the same way..[cultural..of what/kinds of things..are beautiful..and what kinds..of expressions..are ugly.

Every/'language..contains some words..*that imply blame,
others/that imply praise;..yet others..our inner feelings loves/hate/bias..em[rem]-motions]..and all..those who/use..that language/must agree..in how they..shall/apply them.

All the voices are/united..in applauding elegance,propriety, simplicity,the essence/or spirit..in writing;..and in blaming pomposity,/affectation,/coldness/and spurious glitter.[misscreations]

But..when critics..get down/to particular-details,..this
seeming unanimity..*vanishes..and they/we..turn-out..to have given very different..personalized/-or-\rationalized/meanings*..to their words...[as afflicted..by our works/and life experiences.

In all-matters..of..THEORY..•opinion.and..abstract-knowledge
it’s..the other/way around:..there/the..differences..among men
are..more*..often found..at the/level..of...the more-generalized proposition..*than in particular details,..and/really..to be •less than/they appeared..to be...prior/the revelation..wrought by flow..into expression[theory..as..juxtaposed..by/practice]

An explanation..of..the words/contextualized/meaning..usually ends the controversy,,,and the disputants..are surprised to learn that basically..that..*they agreed..in their/judgment..all the time when they were quarrelling.

·AN ASIDE..ON MORAL DIFFERENCES·

Those who base morality..on sentiment..more than on
reason..are inclined/to..apply the former observation..[about
differences/of taste/standard..or measure)..also into ethics, maintaining..that in all/questions.;.concerning conduct and life-styles..men really differ/more than they appear..to.

at first sight...It is indeed..obvious/that writers..of
all nations..and all-ages..of all sexes/races/status..agree in *applauding..justice,/humanity,/magnanimity,/prudence,/truthfulness,
grace/love/mercy..compassion/empathy..and..in*.blaming the opposite qualities.

Even poets and other
authors—whose works mainly
aim-to please..the imagination
are nevertheless..found to instill..the same moral_precepts
and to applaud/blame the same..virtues/vices...

This great unanimity is..usually credited to/the..influence of plain reason,..which in all these..cases maintains..similar sentiments..in all men,[but let woman..speak..for thyself.

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6079&page=0
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 30 October 2013 8:54:47 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
A thousand/men..may have..a thousand/different-opinions
about the..same..one-thing;..but..just exactly..one of/the.opinions is true,..and..the only difficulty..is to find-out..which one..that is.

As against/that,..a thousand_different/sentiments..aroused
by/some-one/object a..re all right,..because..no..singular..sentiment remains..which..represents/..what..is/really..the true-use..of..the object,..and so..no_sentiment..runs..*any..more..nor less..risk..of being..proved-false·.

A sentiment..does mark..a certain..conformity/relation
between..the object..and.the organs..[body]..or.faculties of/the mind;..but..there is..thus..no chance/of..error there,..because·..*if that/conformity..didn’t exist..the sentiment..accorded..its being..wouldn’t exist/either.

Beauty..is/not..a quality..*in things/themselves;..it..exists
merely/in..the mind..that contemplates..them/favorably..and
each_mind/perceives...a different..quantum[measure]..for..*beauty.

One person..may/even..perceive..*ugliness
where someone-else..senses.•beauty;..and every
individual..ought to/go..along with..*his own sentiment,
without/trying to..regulate..those of/others.

To look/for..what is really-beautiful..or..percieved,.as..really
ugly..is as pointless..as trying/to settle..what/is really..sweet[good/true]..and..what-is..really bitter...[faulse/hurtful/fearful.

A single/object may-be..perceived..both sweet..(to s/omeone·)
and bitter.(·to someone else·),..depending/on..the condition
of their..taste-buds;[senses]..and the/proverb..rightly/declares..that it/is pointless..to..even..dispute about
tastes.

It is/very natural,..and even/quite necessary,..to extend
this axiom..to..•mental taste/[spirit-sense]..as well..as..•bodily taste—[material-bias..·i.e. to/taste..as expressed..in..•‘That’s wonderful painting’..as-well..as/in.•‘That seems..to/have..vinegar in it’·.

Common_sense..is/often..at variance/with philosophy,-especially
with..sceptical/philosophy;.but..here/is..one case,..at least,
where..the two..come/to..the same conclusion.

But..though/this axiom,..*by turning..into/parable..into..a
pro-verb,..seems/to have..gained the..support.of common-sense,
there is/certainly..a kind..of common-sense/logic..that opposes it, or at/least..serves to modify..and/or..restrain it.

[We/are about-to..meet
*the word..‘genius’...In Hume’s usage..
and..at.*his time...the word/meant..something stronger..than mere ‘skill-full/will-full..talent’..but..usually..[weaker..less/than ‘genius’..in our..present-day sense.;]

In..*that context..the principle..of/the
natural-equality..*of·all·*..tastes..is totally forgotten;
we/admit it..on some occasions,..where the objects..seem nearly/equal,
but..it seems/like..an extravagant/paradox—or..rather..an obvious absurdity—when..it is applied to..*objects..that are/so..dis-proportioned...to one..an-other.

[In this/paragraph,..‘composition’..covers..the
composing.of music,..the/writing..of poetry..or..of..fine prose, painting,..sculpting,..and so on.]..*Obviously,none..of/the..•rules of/composition..are fixed..by apriori-reasoning;..they..thus..can’t be regarded..as abstract/conclusions..

that/the..understanding..was..arrived/at..by studying the/relations...between..opposing-ideas..that..are eternal..and unchanging...and those..temporal/material/spatial.[space-time/warped]

They/are..based_on/the..same thing..that all/the practical
sciences..are based..on—experience...All they are..is general
observations..about what/has..been found—universally,..in all
countries..and at all-times—to be..pleasing.

Many of/the beauties..of..culture..and..manner..even/of..eloquence are..based on..material-perceptibility..and..other/falsehood..and
fiction,..or based-on..exaggerations,/bias/metaphors,..and bending words/away-from..their..traditional/natural meanings.

To check..the imagination’s-outbursts,..and so..reduce every expression..to geometrical truth..and exactness,.would be utterly contrary/to..the •laws of-criticism;..because..it/would produce..a work[·of a kind·]..that/universal-experience..has shown to/be..the most insipid..and..disagreeable.

But..though poetry..can never*..submit to/exact
truth,..it..must be..confined..by..the rules/of art..that are revealed..by..perception..and emotive projection..[as opposed to..introspection]
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 30 October 2013 1:44:20 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
http://www.gurdjieff.am/in-search/index.pdf

What..is war?
It..is/the result..of planetary-influences.
[pre-destined..accelerated/learning-events..scripted-logical progression..
from..the past..unknown/but\knowable..into the future..via the now..[known]]

Somewhere..up-there;two..or three planets..[wives/aunts planetary essences]..have approached..too near..to each other;..thus..tension results.

Have you/noticed how,..if a man passes..quite close/to you
even..on an..unlimited..pavement,..you become..all tense?

The same tension..takes place..between planets.[spheres/of in-fluence]..For them..it..[the causal-event]..lasts,..perhaps,..a second or two...But/here,.,on the/earth,..people begin to..slaughter one another,..and..they go-on..slaughtering..maybe for..several years.

It seems..to them..at the time..that*they hate..one another; or perhaps..that*they..have to..slaughter..each other..for/some exalted purpose;..or..that they*must defend..somebody..or something..and/or..that it/is..a very-noble/thing..to do..

or something/else of..the same
illusory/self-justifiable...kind...of..materialist/reasoning.

They..fail/to..realize to/what..an extent..we/all..are/mere pawns
in/the game...They think..the/event..signifies something;..
they think..they/can move..about..think/act..as..they like;..they think/..they..can decide..to do/this..or that.

But..in reality..all/their movements,..all..their
actions,..all-thoughts/words/works..are the/result..of planetary//[external]..influences...And.that/they*..them-selves..signify..literally nothing.

Then..the moon..[timing]..plays..a big part..in this.
But..we will/speak about..the moon.separately..Only..it must be understood..that..neither/Emperor..,nor/generals,..nor/ministers,..nor/parliaments,..really..signify..anything..or can/do..anything.

Everything..that happens/on-a..big scale
is..governed..from outside,..and governed..either
by accidental..combination's/of..influences or..by general cosmically consistent-laws."

can..a man/who..does not/know..himself
promise..to keep..even..a secret?

Of course..he can promise..to/try..do so,..but can/he keep his promise?..[and why?]..For he..is not..just..one,..there are many different people..in that,,he calls..him-self.

One..in/him promises,..and..really-believes
that..*he wants*..to keep..the secret.

But..tomorrow/another..in him..[the husband,,in-him]
shall/will..to..tell..it to his wife,..or/to a friend..over a bottle of wine,..or a clever man..may question him..in/such a way..that he himself/will not..notice that..he/is letting..out..everything.

Finally,..he may/be hypnotized,..or he/may..become..fearful unexpectedly..and..frightened,..and..he will/do..anything
regardless..of what/..you..want..or would like.

What sort/of..obligations..can/he take..upon himself?
No,..with such..a mind..we will/not..talk..seriously.

To/be..able to..keep a..secret..a man/must-know..himself
and..he must/be..of himself sufficient..And..a man..such/as..all men are..is very/far..from this.

"Sometimes..we make/temporary-conditions..with people/as..a test. Usually..they are broken/very-soon..but..we never/give..any serious secret..to/a man..we don't trust..so-it..does not/matter..much.

I mean/it..matters..nothing to/us..although..it certainly
breaks/our..connection..with this man..and he loses-his chance
to learn/anything from us*..if there/is..anything to learn/from us.

all..the/same,..you know,..the most..important-thing..is facts,"
I said..."If/I..could see..genuine/and..real facts..of a new..and unknown-character,..only they/would..finally convince-me/that..I am on..the right way."

yet..how..can..a being..know
beyond what..it can/be capable..of knowing
[only be hearing..the tangent..of his questions]
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 30 October 2013 4:39:19 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
clearly..understand..what I..mean by..'philosophy,'..
'theory,'..and..'practice.'..These/words..must/be-understood
in..a different/way,..not/in..the way/they..are usually understood.

"But..speaking/of schools,..there-are..only
specialist/schools;..there/are..no_general-schools.[thus..only limited/specialized..schools..of..limited/application[specialist/experts]/serving..THER/own-philosophy..THEIR..own-theory..THEIR..own/special rites/rituals/customs..their OWNED* practice

Every teacher,..or guru,..is a/specialist..limited expertize..in some..*one thing.One*..is/an astronomer,..another/a..sculptor,..a third..is/a MASTER*-musician.

And..*all the pupils..*of each*-teacher..*must-first/of all
study..the subject..in which/he..has specialized,..then/after, another..even..more narrow/*specialized_field/subject,..and so on.

It would/take..a thousand-years to..study everything."of just/one..specialist..areas/evolution..from darkness..to..too*..special[to relate..back..into/generalities

or more concisely..thousands of years..of specialization..in christ has fractured..the collective-body of christ..into thousands/of sects..[each/with..their own-sacred/texts/rituals/saints/
messages/teachings..experts/scribes/translators..etc

[specializing/rightfully..JUST-lyll..*in the revealing..
of/their prophets/words-meaning..in..its greater context

quintillion's..of man-hours][even..billions/of..collective..man-years..of evolving..finding/exploring..classifying/verifying.. specific_proofs][into..relative..conditional-truths]

humanity,.or/more correctly,..organic_life..on earth,..is acted upon simultaneously..by influences/proceeding from..various sources..

and..*different-specialist/worlds:..UNDER..the
influences..from/the planets,the peers..and false/god-heads
seasons/evolutions/revolutions//births..and..even..in-fluences
from the moon,..in-fluences..from/the-sun,..influences/from-the...stars.

All these..influences/act simultaneously;..one/influence
predominates..at one moment..in/space..yet might reverberate..through-out time..and another..influence/at..yet..another moment.

And..for man/kind..there is/..a..certain*possibility..of making
a choice/of influences;..in other words,..specializations..of passing from..one..special-influence..to influence...yet..another.

"To explain..how,..At/this..moment/I-want..you...to
understand..one thing:*..it is impossible..to become..free
from..ANY*-one/influence..*without..becoming/subject..to another.

The whole/thing,..means..all work-on/oneself,..consists
in choosing..which..of..the influence...do which/you wish-to..
subject yourself..into..then..how special-ised..seek you to..become*

and..by..actually/falling_under..this/influence...what-is/the end game..success-point..[your-goal]..And..for/this..it/is necessary/to know.your expectations..beforehand..which/influence..is/the-more/motivational..or spiritually-profitable."

The..."general-public"..considers/these..as..theories,
or/at..any rate..the last-one/known[latest]..theory-to it,
to be..either/scientific and proven...or advantages,,to/ego..or self gratification..

But..in/actual fact/there-is..of/course..nothing-less scientific..and..less proven/than..less motivating..than;..mere/theories..
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 30 October 2013 8:06:48 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
What interested me..in/this talk
was that..G...spoke of..the planets..and
even..the moon..as living beings,..having definite stages,
a definite-period..of life-[use]..and limited/possibilities..of development..and transition..onto..other planes/of..being.

This/attracted..my attention_at once.
Nothing..had ever/seemed..to me..more artificial,
unreliable,..and dogmatic..than all/the usual..theories..of the origin..of theory..down/to..the very latest,theory..with all their additions...and variations..half-truths..and faulsifyables

Therefore..the fact/that G.'s system..accepted..an altogether different/theory,..an organic-theory having..its origin..in entirely new..collective/consensual/principles..and..

showing..a different/universal-order,..
appeared..to-me,,to/be..very interesting..and important.

"In what/relation..does/the intelligence..of the earth
stand-to..the intelligence..of the sun?"..I asked.>>..

[thats not/a..correct..*question..
but..lets go..with/the-flow..

..<<.."The..intelligence/of..the sun
is divine,"..said G..."But..the earth..can*_become..the same;>>..

to explain..you..have heard..hell/is..surrounded..by fire
that fire..is passion..[hell..lies on/the surface..of the sun]
the vile passions..burn away..yet bear good fruit..by sustaining life on earth

now/its said..one-day..it will..be*done..on
earth/as..it is..in-heaven..here g says..the
cautioning..of..we ALSO..could become..as..the sun..[ie..hell-on/earth]

<<..only,..of course,..it is not/guaranteed
and..the earth...may die-having/attained..nothing."

"Upon/what does-=this depend?"..I asked.
G.'s answer..was very vague.

"There is/a..definite period,"..he said,
"for..a certain thing..to be done...If,..by..a certain time,
what..ought to/be done..has not been done,..the earth may perish without/having attained..what it could/have attained."

"Is this/period known?";;I asked
"At/the moment..it is not/yet clear..to you,"
"that/people living..on the earth..*can belong..to very different levels,..although..in appearance/they look..exactly the same...Just as there..are very different-levels/of men,..so there/are..different levels,,of art.[specialisations]

Only you/do-not realize..at present/that..the difference
between these levels..is far greater/than..you might suppose.
[see tower-of babble][the last time demons thought..to-set the world aflame

You..take different..things..*on one level,..
far too/near..one another,..and you think..these-different/levels are accessible..to you.

little knowing..People..are turning..into
specialized-machines,"[robotic/rote..zombies..attracted..
more to..the flaming passions.of hell[becarefull..for what ye wish..oh suns of men..

I said..."And/no-doubt..sometimes
they..become..as like..im-perfect machines.
But I.do-not..believe/they can think...If they/tried
to think,..they could..not/have been..such fine machines."

"Yes," said G., "that is true,.but only partly true.
It depends first of all..on the question..of..*which mind..they use for their work.

If they/use..the proper mind..they will-be/able to think
even better.in the midst o..f all their work..with machines.
But,..again,..only if they-think/with..the proper/cloud-mind."

"I want-you..to understand..what..I-am saying.
Look,..all those..SPECIAL-ized..people..you see,"
he pointed..along/the-street,.."are simply..machines—nothing more."

"You/think..there-is..something
that chooses..its own path,..something
that can/stand..against mechanization;..you think-that..not everything..is equally mechanical."Men are machines..and nothing but mechanical-actions..can be expected..of machines."
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 30 October 2013 8:40:18 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
from
http://www.beezone.com/AdiDa/nirvanasara/chapter1.html

The usual interpreters..of religion..and..spirituality
are not..of/themselves..really religious..or spiritually motivated...

At most they/may represent..some conventional..and
profoundly-secularized.."religiosity"..in/mind..(such as tends to/characterizecontemporary C.hristianity),..

*but there/is..a great range/of presumptions..common..to the..traditional
structures..of the..irreligious..and noon-spiritual/consciousness that..such individuals..simply cannot..feign/to..uphold.

Such presumptions..include..*the..UN*certainty
of..the continuation..of existence..life-after death,
experiential presumptions..in-lue of/fact..about the "invisible"
or EMPOWERMENT..of material..specificity..as non-elemental..[even accorded/with]..with un-holy_powers

(or..at least higher.energies
elemental..lol..as most/holy-living
as/if..with/in..the..elemental/material matter)

denial..of the other..di-mensions
of the cosmos..of Nature,..each..witnessing..reflective..of the spirit[unseen]..cause

mis-presumptions..about the reality
of spirits, ghosts,..subtle entities and powers
[belief../in..appearance/disappearance..magic, miracles,
mystical.assscent..by null-effort..and...endless re-quoting..of others..un-godly experience,

un-abiding..of..the laws of karma
(or ignorant..of the cause[of spirit]..and the effect [material/clause]..laws that necessarily produce..the future
from the actions..emotions..the cause..for motions..[of all present processes..and its fruits),

and ignorant..of the supremely valuable resource
or instrument..of Help..too..searching..only for truth
not proof..as is oft wanting..when..represented by individuals..who are either too/highly evolved..into rote/ritual-ism..

creationism..or IN-perfectly Awakened...
seving..two masters

It is..the blind..or weakness.representing..the inability
to make such presumptions..that causes scholars..to misinterpret secularize,..and generally underestimate..the traditional sources.

And it is this..same disability..that makes popular
dis-interest..by standing..upon..miss-understanding,by..rote practice,..and..wishful..only..of ultimate/conversion..to the Way..of Truth..so unlikely..now..in this..MATERIAL-age.[age..of..rage]

The tendencies..I have/just described..represent..an obstacle
to..the consideration..of the Way..of the Heart..as well..as
the Great/Tradition...of..*the one..true..great-mind

The common tendency..is to reduce..the expressions and
offerings..of profound..con-founded/religious-ritual..and
spiritual-consciousness..into..,mere..structures..of mater/material-mind..

that..those..who..are basically non-religious..and..even anti-spiritual,.dont got..a clue..[nor u]..[nor me 2]

THUS..are men..characterized by doubt..and MAXimal..levels of presumption..relative to what/is..beyond elemental or materialistic conception.

The popular..and scholarly commentaries..of our day
tend to communicate..and justify..a materialistic,..secularized
or of..this worldly,..humanistic or conventionally socialized point of view.

Everything else..is regarded to/be..at best doubtful
if not..to the deaf/dumb..and blind of mind..its..unreal, fanciful, and the product..of undeveloped..or neurotic human tendencies.

Before the Great Tradition..distractions]
and when..yet again//men..follow..the Way/of..the Heart
and..with clear hindsight..the errors..can be rightly evaluated
by revelation..and fully embraced,..for the truths..they con-sealed

there must be..a restoration..of human balance
and a renewal..of the total mind of Man...as one..with him
all of one mind..Some individuals may be free enough..to respond even now,..

but..most of humanity..must soon..go through..
a difficult trial..of purification..the rebalanced,
via..temptation..of our betters..and worse..the..regeneration
of higher..and ever-more..subtler knowledge..about the structures
of manifested/existence..before..the real religious..or spiritual response..can move them..to feel..the Real..yet again
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 31 October 2013 9:42:28 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/205.Robert_A_Heinlein

“Women..and..cats/will-do..as they..please,
and..men..and dogs/should..relax..and/get used-to..the idea.”

“Love..is/that..condition
in/which..the happiness/of..another person..is essential/to..your own.”

“Happiness..consists..in getting/enough sleep.
Just that,..nothing more.”

“I am free,..no matter/what..rules..surround me...If..I find/them tolerable,..I tolerate-them;..if I..find-them..too\obnoxious,..I break/them...I am-free..because..I know..*that..I..alone-am..morally responsible..*for..everything..I/do.”

*“Anybody.can look/at..a pretty-girl..and..see/a pretty-girl.
An artist..can look at..a pretty/girl..and see..the old woman.she will become...*A better artist..can look/at.an old woman..and see the pretty girl..that/she..used to be.

But..a great/artist-a..master-can..look at
an/old woman,..portray her..exactly as..she is...
and..*force..the viewer..*to see..the-pretty girl..she willed..2 be...

*Growing old..doesn't matter..to you..and..me;
we/were..never meant/to-be..admired-but..it does.to them.”

*“Don't..handicap/your..children
by making..their..lives..too.easy...or..too harsh”

“You..have.attributed/conditions..to villainy
that..simply/result..from stupidity.”

“Progress..isn't made/by..early risers.
It's..made/by..lazy-men..simply..trying/to..find easier-ways..to do something.”

“You can/have..peace...Or..you/can..have freedom.
Don't..ever count-on..having both..at once.”

“Never try/to..outstubborn..a cat.”

“There ain't..no-such..thing..as a..free-lunch.”

“Once a month,..some women..act/like..men act..all the time.”

“There/is.no worse..tyranny/than..to force..a man/to pay-for..what he does/not..want merely..because*..you think..it would-be.good.for him.”

“Writing is not.necessarily something..to/be..ashamed of,
but do-it in..private..and wash/your hands..afterwards.”

“Sin..lies..only-in..hurting..others unnecessarily.
All other.."sins"..are invented nonsense.”

*politeness,..of gentle manner,
is more..significant..than is a riot”

“Sex should-be friendly.
Otherwise..stick to..mechanical toys;..it's more sanitary.”

“I've found-out..why people laugh.
They laugh..because..it hurts so much
&..because..it's the/only-thing..that'll..make-it..stop hurting.”
&#8213;
“Never..try to..teach/a pig..to sing.
It's..a waste/of time..and..besides..it annoys/the pig.”

*“Always..listen to/experts.;They'll tell-you
what..can't be-done,..and why...Then..go ahead..and do it.”

*“There is..no such..thing as.."Just a....”

*“Do_not..confuse "duty"..with/what.other people..expect/of you;

*..Duty is a debt..you owe..to yourself..to fulfill
obligations..you have/assumed..voluntarily.

*Paying..that debt..can..entail anything..from years..of
patient work..to..instant willingness..to die...Difficult it may be, but..the reward..is self-respect...But..there is..no reward at all for..doing..what other/people..expect..of you,

So..learn to..say No—and..to be rude/about it

But let..the choice..be yours.
Don't do/it..because..it is..expected"..of you.)”

*“May you live..as long..as you wish
and..love..as long as..you live.”

*You can't..conquer a..free-man;
the most..you can do..is kill him.”

*“The/most..preposterous notion..that Homo-sapiens..has ever/dreamed up..is that..the Lord God/of Creation,..Shaper..and Ruler..of all the Universes,..wants*[nor demands]..the saccharine-adoration..of His created-creatures,

or..that..he..can be..swayed by/their prayers,..
and..becomes..petulant..if/He does not..receive this flattery...Yet this..absurd fantasy,..without..a shred/of..evidence..to bolster it,.."

“Almost..any sect,cult,or..religion/will legislate
its..creed into law..if it acquires..the political power..to/do-so.”

“How you behave..toward cats..here below
determines..your status..in Heaven.”

thank-you/Robert A. Heinlein
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 31 October 2013 11:53:40 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
lets look..into their soul..via..the beastly..astral-body/form
[why beasts..are beast..and not yet evolved into man]..is mainly as they..dont have..the higher thinking..passion/will..that yearns for better.

the systems..with/which..you are acquainted..and..which/use this expression..state that all/men..have an..'astral-body.'[soul]....
This is..quite wrong.

What may-be..called the..'astral body'..is obtained/by means of fusion,..that is,..by means/o.. terribly..hard inner-work and struggle...as muchas by our desires/needs/wants

Man is/not..born with..a soul..[nor is..the beast
which..has basic wants..[water/food sex..etc]...And
only..very few/men..acquire an..'astral body.'.and even fewrer beasts

but..not all beasts..indeed but..very few/have..enough
emotional-baggage/karma..to have earned...a soul..ie..[few/beasts
have..sought..out..awareness..of higher wants/needs desires]..at death..the seek out their last want..andf go to meet it

the-next life..consists of infinite passions..to simply-will it..brings you too..it..[if]..so a sheep..that wishes..to run/hide
at death..runs and hides..in time..it MAY*..feel thirst..and find/its immediate presence

in..short..god meets all its..wants
then..gives it its next..[hopefully higher incarnation]

If..it/is re-in/formed..[into new body]..whenthat body expires
it may..continue/to live..onas that beast..or revert toa previous..want..higher..is so wanted..or l;ower..according to our lusts.

after..the death..of/the physical-body,..and it may be..born again/in another physical body...This..is 'reincarnation.'..If/it..is not re-born,..then,..in the course..of time,..that soul-form also dies;once its stains..are cleaned[revealing its inner true soul..[its body..of light...or back to..a material-body form..better able to meet..its wants

thing is all matter is energy
and like energy joins together..opposites react

the astral/form..or soul..is not..immortal..but it/can live
long after..the death/of..the physical body..."Fusion,..of self/building..the inner unity,[ego]..is obtained..by means of 'friction,'..by the/struggle..between..'yes'..and 'no'..in man.

If..a man..lives without..inner struggle,
if..everything happens..in him..without opposition,
if..he goes..wherever..he is drawn..or wherever..the wind blows, he will remain..such as he is.

But i..f a struggle..begins in him,..and particularly/if..there is a definite-line*..[drive]..in this struggle,..then,..gradually, permanent-traits..begin to form themselves,..he begins to..'crystallize.'..higher energy forms..

[this relates..to matter..denser energy concentrations]

But crystallization..is possible..on a right foundation..and it is possible..on a wrong foundation...'Friction,'..the struggle..between 'yes'..and..'no,'..can..easily take place..on/a wrong..foundation.

For instance,..a fanatical belief..in some/or..other idea,
or..the..'fear of sin,'..[any/fear..any drive/any obsession]..can evoke..a terribly intense/struggle between..'yes'..and..'no,'.and a man..many crystallize..on these/foundations.

But. this would be a wrong, incomplete crystallization. Such a man will not possess the possibility of further development...In order to make further development possible..he must be melted down again, and this can be accomplished only through terrible suffering.

"Crystallization is possible on any foundation.

http://www.gurdjieff.am/in-search/index.pdf
Posted by one under god, Friday, 1 November 2013 8:01:46 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
it..is just as well..we now have eternity..before us
to evolve..into what/we..*will..become..[once..we get/over.the baser-emotions]

once we..overcome..our beastly wants]..and before we crystallize..into temporal*stasis..[see..further..from/prev-post]

from
http://www.beezone.com/AdiDa/nirvanasara/chapter1.html

Before..the/Great Tradition's..and..the Way/of..the Heart[rev-elation]..which reveals the miracle..can be rightly evaluated and fully embraced,..there must-be..a restoration of human balance..and a renewal..of the total-mind..of Man...[away frombeastly want]

Some individuals/may-be free/enough..to respond even now,.but
most/of..humanity must soon go/through..a difficult trial of purification re balancing,..and further/regeneration of ever-higher

*and..ever more..subtler knowledge changes[tweaks]..about..the potent/totemic structures..of manifest-existence.[beasts/the least..who we hurt..is felt/by the most]..before..the real religious or..true/spiritual-response..can move/them to..nearer/the Reality..again.

2.

The ancient..traditional-origins..[root]..of religious..and
spiritual philosophy..are..in the magical..or shamanistic cultures. Thus,..conventional religious.or spiritual-consciousness..is basically founded..on the..miss*presumptions..of.."animism."

There_are/many different/belief-systems...that are..animistic..
(and thus..totemic/religious..or objective-spiritual-possesive),[expletive]..but what characterizes/them all..is the basic presumption..that/energy,..invisible life,..or spirit-force.is "behind"..all/and..every part/of Nature.

IT IS*

*It is..this invisible-part/unseen..unrecorded..un-noticed..
obscured..elitist..tokenism..that is embraced..via every/form.of magical,..religious/ worshipful,/mystical,/yogic,/or.spiritual belief ritual..language..motivation..practice...and act.

And it/is..this failure..to/presume..passionately..(really..and profoundly)..their existence..and the lack/of..availability..of such personally-realized..applied-energy..(or em-Power..of the rem-power) that..characterizes..the non-religious,..anti-spiritual,..or merely materialistic consciousness.

Just so,..the differences/in presumption..relative to/the..status of invisible energies..(or more simply..{E}..Energy)..are..what differentiate..(and ultimately/result..in..the divisive/conflicts between)..differing..religious or spiritual rites/beliefs messengers..and traditions.

The traditions..of elemental-magic/conceive of..the invisible in terms/of..the obvious pluralities..of gross awareness..Therefore, every -thing.,.and every*one..is presumed..to/be animated..and otherwise manipulated..by individual/spirits...And the/practice of religion..is therefore directed..toward..the attainment..of positive and..useful/relations..*with..spirit-entities..of all kinds.

In contrast.to..such pluralistic-animism.(and the/polytheistic religions..that are built-on..that basis),..the later/developments of animism..(ultimately represented..by the monotheistic cultures)..tend to produce*religious..and spiritual*practice..on the basis/of the presumption..that there is*..only one/invisible force.;(or Divine Spirit)*behind..(and ultimately*transcending)..all of Nature.

The religious/orthodoxy..fixation..on/of..any particular..time person/work..and place..is always implicitly..regarded..as critical..of other systems...this is a gross error

*Therefore,..the animistic-objective/subjective..cultures..that developed monotheistic-religion..rigidly denied value..of..(and even the right..to exist)..to/the cults..and practices.of pluralistic animism.

The early Hebrews,..for example,..engaged in systematic..and even aggressive criticism.of the magical practices,.."idol" worship, and polytheistic cultism..that were extant..in the territories they merely..*wanted to acquire.[for/their..own wants/not need]

Their principle/of opposition..was not truly..a complaint against the..cultic use/of..holy objects..to serve access to..or even represent the invisible spirit-influence.[but that the power of them be dispersed..and other heads..of power be installed

keep/the slaves..dumbed down/divided
just install..the new head..to loot/plunder at leisure.

The Hebrews..themselves/used..various-kinds..of such
cultic..machinery..(from..the ark/of..the covenant
to ..the temple..and all/of..its trappings)..

Rather,..the principle/of..opposition/was..the difference/between
the mind..of pluralistic..or..polytheistic-animism..and the mind of monotheistic..animism...tokenism/totumism/natural;ism/commune-ism/femin-ism/sex-ism/..so many..other'ism's'
Posted by one under god, Friday, 1 November 2013 8:53:01 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
anyhow,,enough..of the delay
lets return..to..jesus words

page 83/acim
http://miraclevision.com/acim/urtext/acim-urtext-2003-upe-ready-edition.pdf

Saturday 11/27/1967*

Most/of..the abilities*.[VALIDATIONS/WORKS/USES]
THAT..man now possesses..are only..shadows[REFLECTIONS].of his real strengths...*The..Soul knows,[RE-COGNIZES]..loves,..DE-BAITS/THEORIZES..and creates.

REAL-IZED

These are HIs..unequivocal..functions..OF BODY..WHICH/OF..All
of..the functions/of man..are..the..MOST/equivocal,..or open to question..or doubt...or bias..or accept and perfect rejection..by introspection..by REALIZATION..the equivocation saturation/negation

This..real-isation..is because..he can no longer be
certain how..he will USE them...thus in..*imagining its uses
creates...dis-illusioned saturation..He/is therefore incapable of knowledge,..because he is..is so certain..in the choosing..of being uncertain.

He is also..thus..by his lack..of awareness..[in/other]..
of otherly..want..or need..and made himself..incapable..of true loving,..because he can..but..[like any beast]..perceive lovelessly.

He/cannot create..his life's revelation..into miracles..surely, because/.self-is/miss-perception...deceives,..and illusions are not pure...truth..and by being untruth..cannot bear good fruit[worhy-works].

Perception..[of other..as separated..from-self]..did not exist
until..the Separation/desperation/negation..had introduced degrees, aspects..and..alternate reactive purgative learning/or earning intervals.

The pure/true-Soul..has no levels,..and ALL/conflict arises
from..the..concept of levels...Wars..'arise..when some..regard/others as_if they..were on..a different level.*..All interpersonal
conflicts..arise from/this..fallacy.

Only the levels/of the..Trinity[revelation/miracle/creation]..are capable..of Unity...The/levels.;.which man created/by the Separation are..disastrous...They cannot..now..BUT conflict...as their true uses are subsumed..by missdefinition..of minutia.

This..is because..one is essentially*..meaningless to another.
Freud realized/this perfectly,..and that-is why...he..conceived
is forever..irreconcilable..of the different levels..of his psyche.

They were..conflict-prone..by definition,..because/they wanted different-things..and..obeyed/different principles...as if..its..only means

In/our..[acim/jesus]..picture..of the psyche,..there is..an unconscious level,..which properly consists/ONLY of..the miracle ability..and..thus..should be..under MY direction;

and a..conscious level..[revelation]..
ever alert/watchful/aware-level..which perceives..or
is aware of..impulses/in-puts/in*spiration..IN-ner-consious..see the [observer affect]..from both..the unconscious..and the/super..supra-conscious...acting concerted..via [simultudes]

These..anachronistic concurrences..are the sources/of..the impulses it receives...Consciousness is thus*the level of perception,..but NOT of knowledge.

*Again,..[wrote/large]..to PERCEIVE..is NOT to know.

(In/this connection,..Cayce is more accurate..than Freud.)
Consciousness..*was the first/slip-split..that man introduced into himself...He THUSLY..became a..PERCEIVER..rather than..a co-creator in..the true sense.

Consciousness..is correctly identified
as the domain..of the ego...Jung was right*indeed
in insisting..that the ego..is NOT the self,..and that the self should*be..regarded as an/achievement...ove truth/love..over freewill/paralyzing passivity and beastly proselytizing instinct.

He did/not RECOGNIZE..[re-cognizance]..(a term..we now understand) that..*the Achievement..was God’s...In a sense,..the ego was a man-made/attempt..to perceive himself..as he wished,*.rather than as he IS.

This is an example/of the..created/creator
confusion/we spoke of/before...

SURE..He can/only KNOW..himself..as*..he IS,
because..that-is..all..he can..really..be SURE of.

thats why..'every..'sperm'..beast or life..is sacred
not for...its ego..but the gift-giver's ergo..*sustaining
us all..our every breath....ahhhh-men*..mene/mene/mene/[means/writing..on/the..wall*
Posted by one under god, Friday, 1 November 2013 11:29:42 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
many/were called..but..few asked questions..on/the essential
*things..he said...'One/of...these questions..has remained in my memory.

"In what..way can/one..evoke[pro-voke]..the struggle
between..'yes'..and..'no'..in KNOWing..oneself?".,.[someone asked.]

"Sacrifice..is necessary,"..said G..."If nothing/is sacrificed..[let go]..nothing..*new../is obtained...And..it is..necessary to sacrifice something..precious..to your..miss-beliefs..at the moment,..they become clear...but..to sacrifice..for a long-time..and to/sacrifice a great deal...[too..much?...good/truth..isnt hard..just firm..[foundation].

But/still,..nothing..is con-figured..[congealed]..forever.
This must/be..clearly..understood..because/often..it is not understood.[as/in..stood under]..under=lower/standing][in-firm grounds]

Sacrifice..is necessary/only while..the process;.of crystallization is going on...When crystallization..is achieved,..renunciations,..deprivations,..and sacrifices..are no longer necessary.*

He can..only KNOW himself*as he IS,..via what he now is being
because..*that..is all..he/can be..SURE of.

&..*Everything else..IS open/to question.*!

The ego..is the questioning/com-part/ment..in the
post-Separation/psyche which man..created for himself...*It is capable of*..asking valid questions,..but not..of perceiving wholly
valid answers,..[revealed only..by revelation..leading to/the active..of doing..realization

MAKING..keeping..things REAL..

because these..are cognitive,..and..cannot BE perceived.
The endless/speculation.about the meaning..of mind.has led to considerable-confusion..SIMPLY..because the/mind IS confused/con-founded.

Only..One-Mindedness[love]..is without confusion.
A separate,..or divided,mind..MUST be necessarily be confused.
[two/masters rule]

A divided/mind..is uncertain..by definition...*It
HAS to be..in/conflict..because it/is..out of accord with itself.
Intra-personal/conflict..arises..from the same basis/as interpersonal. One part of the/psyche..perceives another part..as on a different LEVEL,..and does not/understand to it.

This makes..these parts..strangers
to each other,..in worse case..WITHOUT any mutually inclusive RECOGNITION...This is the essence-cause..of the fear-prone.condition, in which..inner conflicted ego attack..is ALWAYS possible...Man has every reason..to feel anxious,..*as he [mis*]..perceives,,not only himself...but other.

This is why..he cannot/escape fear..until he KNOWS..the truth*
ofthat..the he*..DID not..*and CAN-not..create..*himself.

He..can NEVER*..make this..misperception valid,..and
when..he at last PERCEIVES..*clearly,[purely/truthfully/peacefilly]..he is GLAD HE/CAN’T...and that his attempt of avoidence were futile*.

His Creation..*is beyond..his own error variance,
and..this is why he MUST..eventually/*choose..to heal the Separation.

Right-mindedness..is not to/be confused
with the KNOWING mind,..because..*it is/applicable..(*only to right perception...*You can be..right-minded..[or wrong-minded,]..and this
is subject/to..degrees,..[even specific circum-stances]..a fact which clearly demonstrates..a lack/of..association with/the healingway..of knowledge.

No, Helen,..this is PERFECTLY clear..and DOES
follow..the previous section...Neither you..nor I is able..*at all..to be confused,..even in grammar.)[truth=loving/goodly/graceful/merciful/eternal/etc]

The term “right-mindedness”..is properly..used
as..the correction..for wrong-mindedness..they feel different..have totally..inverse fruits.[evena beast..KNOWS..its childs voice*]

and..applies to/the..*state of mind
which..sequentially..induces..accurate perception.
right-thinking and good fruits....*It is/miraculous..because
it heals..error..and fear..plus other..misperception,..and..healing is..indeed/a miracle,..in view of/how man..miss-perceives not only..himself...but the loving[good/mercyful/god]..

*Only..the sick..[error]..NEED healing.
The Soul..does-not..*need/healing,..only revealing

but..that..is..what..the mind DOES...

it must./.get-it..see?
Posted by one under god, Friday, 1 November 2013 12:18:38 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
The mind/returns..itself/to-its..proper function
only/when..it WILLS/TO now..KNOW...

This/places it..in the Soul’s service,[e-motive]..where..our perception/is..meaningless...The super-conscious..is/the level..that receives..its revelation..of the mind which..wills..that miracle..to do this...(Freud/was particularly distorted..on this-point,..because he/was..getting too far..*UP..for comfort..*according/to..his own perception.)

But..he WAS/right..in maintaining..that/the “parts”..of
the psyche..cannot/be.correctly perceived/..*either..[as THINGS..or as..entirely separate.]..(He would/have..thought better..if/he had said..“entirely_separated.”)

The mind..DID divide/itself..when it/willed..to create..its own levels..[of cre4ative/faux-miracles]..AND..the ability..to/perceive them...But it..could NOT/entirely separate..itself/from..the Soul, because..it/*is FROM/the Soul..that it derives..its whole power/to create.

Even..in mis-creating,..the..will..is affirming/its-source,
or/it..would merely..cease/to be...This is/of..course..impossible, because.it IS part/of..the Soul,*which God created,..and which is therefore/eternal.

The ability/to perceive..made/the body..possible,..because
you/must perceive*SOMETHING,..and..*WITH something...This is/why perception..involves..an exchange,/or..a..translation,[revelatioonn]..which knowledge..does NOT need.

*The..interpretive/function..of perception,[revealing]
(actually,..a distorted/form..of creation),..then permitted/man
to..interpret..the body as/HIMSELF,..which,/although..depressing,/was a/way-out..of*the conflict..*he induced...(This/has..already been covered ..in some detail.)

The super/supra-conscious,..*which KNOWS,,,by active recall..could/not be reconciled..with this..loss/of power,
because..it/was..incapable..of darkness...This/is why..it became almost/in-accessible..to the/material-mind..and/entirely inaccessible to..the body.

It was..PERCEIVED..as a..threat,[thus/induced/fear..because light
does/abolish..darkness by establishing..the clear/fact..that/darkess..ISN’T really..where..the light/is.]

The..truth will/ALWAYS..destroy error.in this-sense.
This..is/not..an..*ACTIVE/process..of destruction..at all.
We/have..already emphasized/the..fact..that-knowing.;.does/not DO*..anything...thus..It/can be/PERCEIVED..*as an attacker,..*but it CANNOT *..attack.

Wha/ man perceives..of..as/its..attack-sign..by design/is..of
his own..recognition..of/the fact..that..truth..can always/be REMEMBERED,..because..it..[alone]..has never..been destroyed.

This is/not..just*coud-[suprs]..mind..recalling..a literal
remembering..as much..as an..actual/re-membering.,,[rejoining..of all/its parts..exactly,,(That..is largely..for B...I wish/he would decide..to/use..that/talent..of/his..constructively...He/has./no idea of..how powerful..it could be.

Actually,/it..does/come,,from*the unconscious,..and
is really..a distorted-form..of miraculous perception
which..*he..has reduced/to word-twisting...

Although/this..can-be quite/funny,..it/is..still..a real/waste..
Maybe..he’would care to..let me..control/it,..and..still/use..it humorously himself.

He/doesn’t..have-to..decided..it is/one OR..the other.)
The/unconscious_should/never.have been*reduced/to..a..“container” for the waste/products..of conflict...Even/as H..E perceives his psyche, every_level..has a creative potential,..because..*nothing..*man creates..can wholly/lose this.

God..and/the Soul.l He created*remain..in surety,[truth]
and..therefore KNOW/that..no..injurious/mis-creation..exists.
Truth..cannot deal/with..unwilling error.. because/it..does not will to-be/blocked out...But..I was/a..man_who/remembered..the Soul..and its..acces/to knowledge.

Tell/B...that-when he refused..to misperceive
he was..indeed behaving..as I behaved...And as a man,..I
continue..page86
http://miraclevision.com/acim/urtext/acim-urtext-2003-upe-ready-edition.pdf
Posted by one under god, Friday, 1 November 2013 4:32:08 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
I..cannot/unite..your-will..with God’s...for*..you.
But..I CAN erase..all-misperceptions..from..your mind,
if.you will/bring it..under_my guidance...ONLY_your/misperceptions stand-in/your..own way...

Without them,..your..own choice..is certain...
with-them..truth..remains veiled..un-revealed..like/behind..a curtain

Sane-perception.INDUCES..sane choosing...The Atonement
was/an act..[in shared-truth]..based_on..true perception.

I cannot..choose for..your truths,..for/you,
but..I_CAN/help..you make..your..*own right-choice...once you*place..your_choices..before/me..by prayer.

“Many..are called..but..few..are chosen”..

SHOULD read,

“ALL..are called..*but..few have..choose..to listen...
Therefore,..they_do/not choose..RIGHTLY.”.[they..CHOSE..misscreations..of ego..

[did they feel*..they had a choice..[were they..informed?]

The .“chosen.ones”..are merely..those/who..choose/choice..rightly some..SOONER...by..choosing..the meam of good-truth..to..find expression..via..the-self..as servant..unto/other..as the father..serves_every/other...

This is..the real/meaning..of the..celestial-speed-up...Strong
wills can..will..to-do this..NOW...And you..WILL find rest...for your Souls...from-now on..into..the eternal..now*

We said before..that the sole..ability..of abilities./.of soul
which man possesses..are only..shadows of his..true celestial-abilities. [unlike the hellish..diss-abilities]

be..self-enabled..not..self-disabled

The soul’s/true functions..are knowing,
loving,trusting/testing..learning and creating.
The..intrusion/of-the ability..that wills..to perceive,..which is inherently-judgmental,..was...introduced...only after...the/Separation.

No_one..has/been sure..of..anything since then.

You will..also remember that I..made it very/clear
that the Resurrection..was the..*return to knowledge,
which was/accomplished..by the union.of my will..with the Father’s.

Since..the Separation,..the words “create”..
and “make”..are inevitably confused...When/you make something,
you make/it...first out of a sense of lack..or need,..and second,.. out of..a something..that..already exists...[but was..only seen/via heart-revelation..that realized..[made-real]..its_miracle.

Anything..can be..that is made
is made..for a specific/purpose...It has no..true...generalized-ability...of self.

When you/make something..to fill a..perceived-lack,..which is obviously..a logical-reason..why_you/would try/to..make anything,..you..are tacitly..implying..that you
believe..in the Separation.
thus sustain..it.

Knowing..does..not lead..to doing,
as we have.frequently observed/already.

(Note..that the term..“insight”,..though referring/to lofty perception's,..is not..an attribute/of knowledge...This
is why..terms like “lofty”..are meaningless..in..this context.

Insight is/not..the way TO knowledge,
but it IS..a prerequisite..FOR which knowledge.
Being of God's truths..knowledge has nothing to do..with your perceptions..at all...That is why..it..can only be a..gift..of God TO you.)

God knows you..only in/peace,
and this..IS your reality*.

Dictated/without notes...Nov. 30/1965
We/said..before/that..the ability annd/or..expression..of abilities which..man possesses..are/only shadows of..his/true..abilities...The soul’s_true..functions..are..by expressing/knowing,..performing-loving,..and..goodly-creating.

The/intrusion..of the..ability..to perceive,..which is
inherently*judgmental,..was introduced/only..after the_Separation...No one/has been..sure of/anything..since/then.

You..will/also..remember_that..I/made..it very clear
that..the Resurrection..*was the/return..back-to knowledge,
which/was..accomplished by/the union..of my will..with the Father’s.
Since the Separation,..the words..“create”..and..“make”..are inevitably.confused.

When/you make..something,..you/make_it..firs.. out of/a
sense..of lack..or need,..and second,*out of..a something..that already*exists.

Anything..can_be..that..*is_made.*for..a/specific_purpose.
It/has..no true-generaliz-ability...When/you//make something/to fill a..perceived_lack,..which is..*obviously/why..

when..you..would/make..*anything,..you..are
tacitly..*implying..that you/believe-in..the)Separation.
Knowing..does/not..lead_to..doing,..as/we..have..frequently/observed
already.
Posted by one under god, Friday, 1 November 2013 4:50:32 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
What appears..to be contradictory..about/the difference between knowing..and/perceiving,..and Revelation and miracles,..is again the fallacy..that is..the root c-ause of all/subsequent errors...The miracle//*was associated/with perception,.*and not with knowing.

However,..we also noted..that prayer.*is the medium of miracles,
and..also the natural/means..of communication .*by the Creator..and the Created...*Prayer is..*always an_affirmation..*of knowledge,..*not/of..accurate_perception.

That is why..unless perception..has*..entered into
it,*..it calls/on Revelation.

The confusion..between your/own creation..and what
you create..is so profound that/it..has literally become impossible to..*know anything,..because knowledge..is always stable...and creation..unlimited.

It is quite evident..that human beings are not.
Nevertheless,..they are perfectly stable as/God created them...In this sense,..when their behavior..*is unstable,..they are*obviously
disagreeing..with God’s-idea..of the Creation.

This..is a fundamental/right of man,..although
not/one..he would care to exercise..*if he were in his Right Mind.
The problem..that is bothering/you most is..the fundamental question which man/continually asks of himself,..but which cannot properly be directed..*to himself..at all.

He..keeps on asking..“himself”..what he is..This implies
that..the answer is not/only..one which/he knows,..but one..which
he thinks..is up to him.

The first part/of this statement..is perfectly true, but
the second part..is not...We have frequently commented on the absolute necessity of/correcting all fallacious-thinking which associates man*..in any way..with his own Creation.

Man CANNOT*..perceive[imagine]..himself correctly.
He has..*no image[in reality..only mind]..at all...The word.“image”
*is/always..perception related,..*and is not/a..product of knowing...now will.

Images..are symbolic,*..and
stand/for...something..above..all-else. [in-put/in-spiration]

The current emphasis on..“changing your image”..is
a good/description..of the power of perception,..but it implies..that there is nothing to KNOW.

Prayer..is the medium/of miracles,...not because God created perceptions, but because/God created YOU...At the beginning of this course,..we said that../*YOU are a miracle.

Therefore,..the Creator/of the miracle worker
is a miracle NOT*..of his own creation.

Unless/true-perception rests on..some knowing basis,
it is so unstable..that it doesn’t mean anything.

*Knowing is/not..open to interpretation,..because
its meaning..is..complete..on..its own..*It is possible to
interpret meaning.. but this..*is always open to error

because it involves..the perception of..intended/plus..un-intended..plus evolved..plus manipulated/biased/distorted..emotive meaning...All..of these..wholly needless/complexities..are the result of man’s attempt to/regard himself..as..*both separated and un-separated..*at..the same time.

It/is impossible ..to/undertake..a confusion
as fundamental..as this..without*..engaging in further confusion.

Methodologically,..man’s-mind..has been.very creative.
But,..*as always occurs*..when..method.and content..[SUBSTANCE]..are separated,..it has*not..been utilized..for anything..*but..an attempt to/escape..a fundamental..and entirely../inescapable-impasse.

This kind/of thinking ..cannot..,result in/a creative outcome,
though..it/has resulted..in..considerable ingenuity.

It/is..noteworthy, however,..that..this ingenuity
has..almost totally divorced..him..from..[REVELATION]..cloud-mind..supra-knowledge.
Posted by one under god, Friday, 1 November 2013 5:15:08 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Knowledge..does not/require..ingenuity..at-all.
When..we say..“the truth/shall..set you/free,”..we mean
that all/this kind-of/thinking..is/a waste..of time,..but that you are free/of the*.need of..engaging in it.

Note/again..that/the functions..of..the-Soul
*were_not*..referred to..as abilities..[think..more/like earnings]
[our life's..record/emoted passions..*wrote[projected]..largely..upon it]

This..point/requires clarification,..because abilities
are beliefs..which/are..BASED on/the scarcity-fallacy,..since..
they do-not..*mean/anything..apart from..within-grouped/comparisons.

As..you yourself/never..fail to..point out,.
“nobody has/none-of..an*.ability,..and no-body..has all of it.”..
That..is/of course,..why/the curve-mean..never rests..on the line.

The..clearest..*implications..of relativity,..which
properly..inheres/in this statement,*..DEMONSTRATES/that
*abilities..are not functions/of the Soul...The Soul’s-functions are NOT relative...*They are ABSOLUTE.

They..are OF/God..and ____ God,..*and therefore..God-like.

Prayer..is/a way..of asking..*for something.
When..we said/that prayer..is the medium of/miracles,..we also said that/the..only meaningful/prayer..is/for*..forgiveness,..because those
who/have been..forgiven have everything.

Once forgiveness..has been accepted,..*prayer in
the usual sense..becomes utterly/without meaning..Essentially, a prayer/for forgiveness..is/nothing more than..a request..that we may be able*to..recognize..*something we already/have.

In electing..to enact..the..ability/to perceive..*instead of
the..its passive..the will/to know,..hu-man..placed himself
in/a position..where he could..resemble/his Father..ONLY by perceiving*..the received revelations..miraculously...

*But/he..has..lost the knowledge..[and amazment
plus the recognition]..that he..himself..*is a miracle.
MIRACULOUS CREATION..was his/own causal.Source,.and also..his own real..intended function.

“God created/man..in his own image.and..likeness”..is correct in meaning,.but the words..are open to..considerable misinterpretation.
This is avoided,..however,..if..*“image”..is understood/to..mean “same motivational-thought,”[service]..and..“likeness”..is/taken as “of a/like..quality.”

[use/uses][cause..of causes]..realization..
of the unseen via..revealing the miracle..is you...
revealed by the light[E]..[not..the light[E}]..yet of..the light[E]

God DID..create the Son..*in His_own Thought,
and..of a..creative/curious/helpful..quality/like..to His own...

essentially..There..IS nothing else...
beyond..what..god makes perceived.

Perception..is impossible..
WITHOUT..an awareness/of belief..inherent..in
the concept of/perception..of..“more/same”..and..“less.”[lack]

Unless perception,/at every level,..*involves selectivity,..it is incapable..of organization...thhe recognitin..being percieved*
In all types/of perception,..there is a continual*process of accepting..and rejecting,[of organizing..and re-organizing,
and ..of shifting..and changing]

..focus...*Evaluation..is an essential/aspect of
perception,..because/judgment..MUST be made for selection.

“Lack of lack”..is a concept/which is meaningless
to..that perceived,..because the ability/to perceive..*at all..RESTS ON perceiving..what is..the lack...[lacking]..or..more-over/welming.

What..*happens..to perceptions/if..there ARE..no judgments,
and there is*nothing BUT/perfect equality?..Perception is automatically/useless.

Truth..can only/be KNOWN...All of/it..is..equally*true,
and..knowing..*any_part..of/it..IS to know..the qualities..*all of it.

Only*perception..involves/partial-awareness.
Knowledge/transcends..*ALL_of/the-laws..which govern*perception.

Partial..KNOWLEDGE..is impossible...It
is..*all-One,[alone]..and/has..no_separate/parts.
(i.e...the parts..have_NOT..separated.)..

*This-IS..the*real-knowledge...*You*who
are..really_one..with it..need..but/realize..what..you..know..is less than/you are*
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 2 November 2013 7:29:43 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
You who/are really one with it..need/but
to/know YOURSELF.and your knowledge is complete...To*know God’s miracle..is/to.know Him.

Forgiveness..is the healing/of
the perception..of separation...from truth..Correct perception of
EACH-OTHER..is necessary*..Only because minds..have willed/to see themselves..AS separate-beings...*Each Soul/knows God completely. This/IS..the miraculous power-of..the Soul.

The_fact..that every..*each Soul has/this power..completely
is a fact..that is..entirely alien..*to human/thinking,..in which
*if..any-ONE has everything,..there is nothing/LEFT.[material-limitations]

God’s miracles..are..*total..complete/of itself..
as..HIS/Thought,..simply..are..*because they ARE*..*His thoughts...
God..shines..through/in them..all..with perfect light...If they/recognize..this light..anywhere,..they know..it/universally.

Revelation..cannot/be..explained,*because..it/IS..knowledge. Revelation/HAPPENS...naturally/constantly/eternally..It is*..the only REALLY..natural-happening,..because..it/reflects..the..ever-present..nature natural/nurture..[good/truth/gnosis]..of God.

As long/as perception lasts,..prayer has a place...Since perception rests-on lack,..those/who perceive..have not totally.accepted the Atonement..and given over..themselves to/its truth...

Perception/IS a..separated state,..of awareness..that..perceived..and the perceiver..DOES need healing...Communion,/not prayer,..is the natural state/of those..who know...true perceiving.

*God/and HIS..miracles are inseparable.
All words,..at best,..are preparatory...

*THE word..is really..more..of/a..thought...
No* one/WORD..is/universally..meaningful,because..a word is..a symbol,..but..unlike..a thought..is/not..di-[bi]..visible..by creation.

The original/namings..for..“thought”..and..“word”..
was/the same...[spiritually]..The quotation..[john 1]..should read

the..same..[thought]..was/with him..in..the beginning
by thought..all..things were made..[and without thought..nothing was mad..for in thought..lies life..and the/same light[perceived revelatory-thought]....was the light..of men.

[and the thought[light],..shineth..in..the darkness..
yet the darkness..[word]..COMPREHENDED..it NOT*

“In the/beginning..was the..thought,..*
and..the thought...was with God,..and..the thought..*WAS/of Good.”..How beautiful..indeed are the thoughts/of God,..who live-in..His light...revealed..by his light..and of his REASON..

Your worth/is beyond..perception..because..it is beyond doubt.
Do-not..perceive yourself..in different lights...KNOW yourself..in the-One Light,..where/the miracle..which...*is in..you..is perfectly clear.[not subdued..by the stains..of the soul..nor of the flesh*..]

page89
12/7/65
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 3 November 2013 4:42:48 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
The prerequisites..for thought-therapy[revelation]..
must include..the following conditions:

The procedure must involve..the recognition/rather than
the denial..of the importance/of any thought.

The exact equality..of everyone who is involved.[This/must..include Me.]..*No one is either..therapist or patient...(B. should/add “nor*teacher or pupil.”)

Above all..EVERYONE involved..must-want*to*give-up
everything..that is..NOT true...The reason/for the..negative
emphasis here..is/that..therapy..*implies something..HAS gone/wrong. Even..though/the..purpose..is..*to..correct/those who-are..ill[who ARE negative...]

Therapy..is EXACTLY/the same-as..all other/forms..of miracle-working. It/has no separate-laws..of its/own...All of/the points..that were given/for miracles..apply to therapy..because,*UNLESS therapy proceeds..from miracle-mindedness,..it CANNOT heal.

The therapist..(hopefully)..does have/the role..of being/the better perceiver...(This is/also,..yet-again..hopefully,/true of the teacher...as well)..It does/not follow..that he..alone..is the better knower.

Temporarily,..the therapist/or..teacher can/help..in
straightening out..twisted perceptions,..which is/also..the only role that..I would..ever contribute/myself...*All therapy..should do..is
try to/place..EVERYONE involved..in the/right..frame of mind/to help one another.

It is/essentially..a process..of true courtesy,
including/courtesy..to Me...Any form..of mental illness..can truthfully be/described..as an expression.of viciousness.[We said before..that those who are*afraid..are apt to/be..vicious...If we were willing..to/forgive..other people’s..misperceptions of us,..they could not..possibly affect/us..at all.

There is little-doubt..that you/can explain..your
present absolutes/attitudes..in terms-of..how/people used
to look..at you,..but there/is..no wisdom in doing so...In fact,
the whole/historical approach..can justifiably..be called doubtful.

As you/have so..often said,..no one..has adopted
ALL of his parents’/attitudes as his/own...In every case,
there has-been..a long process of/choice,..in which..the individual has/escaped from-those..he himself vetoed,..while retaining those he voted FOR.

B. has/not retained..his parents political/beliefs,..in spite
of the particular..kind of newspapers/that..constituted their own reading-matter..in this area...The reason..why/he..could do this was
because/he believed*..he was free..in this area.

There must/be..some acute problem..OF HIS OWN..that would
make him...so eager to..*accept their misperception..of his own worth.[values]..

This tendency...can always-be..regarded as/punitive...
It cannot/be justified..by the inequality..of the strengths..of parents and children.

This..is never/more..than temporary,..and is..largely
a matter..of maturation..and thus/mental-physical difference...It does/not..last..unless it_is..held onto.

When B’s..father..came/to..his new\office..and
“destroyed”..it,..it-is/quite apparent ..that B.*MUST/have..been willing/to..let it-be..destroyed.
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 3 November 2013 5:09:29 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
there are..theories which affirm..that knowledge..can
come/to people..without any effort on their part,..that
they can..acquire it..even..in sleep...

The very/existence..of such/theories..constitutes..an additional explanation..of..why knowledge..cannot..*come..to people..as/it..must be lived..to verify..it as true[good]..know-ledge.

At..the same/time..it is essential/to..understand that man's independent..efforts to/attain..anything in/this..direction..can also give/no results.

A man/can..only/attain..sure-knowledge..by..his lived experiences

knowledge..cannot/be given..by force to anyone..and..as I have already said,..an unprejudiced/survey..of the average/man's-life,
of what..he chooses..what..fills his day..and of/the things..he is interested in,..will..at/once show..whether..it/is..possible to accuse men..*who possess/knowledge..of concealing it,..of not wishing/to..give it..to people,..[as..its/not certain..lived/knowing]
..or..of/not wishing..to teach people..what they..*know..themselves.

"He..who wants knowledge..must..of himself..make the initial/efforts to find..the source/of..knowledge..and/to approach it,..taking advantage/of..the help..and indications/which are..given to all,

but/which people,..as a rule,..do not want*to..see..or recognize.

Knowledge..cannot come..*to people..without effort..[willing of their conscious awareness]..on/their..own part...where the beam/tilts

The..many times..that he/has commented..on this/event
alone..would suggest..that..he..himself accords..the..extreme importance..of this..misrepresentation/..in his/own distorted thinking.

Why should..anyone accord..an obvious misperception..so
much power?..There cannot/be..any real justification..for it,
because..even B...himself/recognized..the real..problem by saying “How could/he do..this/to..me?”
The answer..is HE...didn’t.
[use..the revelation..to see the miracle..]

B...has..a very/serious-question..to ask..of himself..in this connection...We said..before..that/the purpose..of/the..Resurrection was-to..“demonstrate/that..no amount/of misperception-has/any influence..at all..on a Son-of God.”[who-knows..only..good true/living..knowings..in non-judgmental/inocence]

This demonstration..EXONERATES..those who/misperceive,
*by..establishing/beyond doubt..that they*..have NOT hurt anyone.

B’s question,/which..he must*..ask himself/very honestly,..is whether he/is..willing to/demonstrate..that his/parents..have NOT*..hurt him. Unless he/is willing..to/do this,..he has-not..forgiven them.

The-essential/goal..of therapy..is the same/as..that of*..knowledge. No one-can..survive/independently..as long as/he..is willing..to see himself..*through..the eyes of others...*This will/always..put him-in a position..where..he..*MUST see himself..in different lights.

Parents..do/not create..the image..of their children,..though
they/may..perceive images..which they do*.create...*However,..as_we have..already said,..*you..are not*..an image.

thus..*If you/SIDE..WITH..image-makers,
you..are merely/being..idolatrous.

B...has no justification/whatever..for perpetuating
ANY..faux-image..of himself..at all...He is/NOT..an image.*Whatever is/true..of him..is wholly benign...It is essential..that/he..*KNOW
this..about himself,..but/he cannot..*know it..while he/chooses*..to interpret/himself..as..vulnerable/enough..to BE hurt.[fear/falicy]

This/is..a peculiar kind-of..arrogance,..whose narcissistic
component..is perfectly/obvious...It endows..the/perceiver..with sufficient..*unreal strength/to make him over,..and..only/then acknowledges..the perceiver’s/miscreation.

There are times/when this..strange lack-of..real courtesy
appears to/be..a form/of humility...Actually,..it is
never/more..than simple-spite.
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 3 November 2013 10:06:18 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Bill,..your parents did..misperceive-you..in many ways,..but their ability..to perceive/was quite warped,..and their misperceptions stood/in...the way of..their..own knowledge...but..There is/no reason why..it should/stand..in the way..of yours.

It/is..still true/that..you believe
they DID/something..to you...yet..This belief..is
extremely..dangerous..to your perception,..and/wholly destructive..of your knowledge...This is/not-only true..of your attitudes/toward..your parents,..but also/of..your mis-use/of..your friends.

You still/think..that you..MUST respond/to..their..errors AS_IF..they..were true...By reacting..self-destructively,..you are GIVING them/approval..[verification]..for..their misperceptions.

No-one..has the right/to..change himself..according/to..different circumstances...Only/his actions..are capable..of appropriate variation...His belief/in himself..is-a constant,..unless/it rests on perceptual..acuity..rather/than knowledge..of what..he is.

It is/your.DUTY to..establish..*beyond doubt..that you_are..*totally unwilling..to side/with..(identify/with)..anyone’s..misperceptions of you,..*including..your own.

If you/become-concerned..with totally/irrelevant factors,..such as the/physical condition..of the classroom,..or..the number of students,..even..the hour/of..the course,..and the many/elements which..you may/choose..to select..for emphasis..as a basis/for misperception,..you have lost/the knowledge..of what.ANY interpersonal relationship/is for.

It is..*NOT true/that..the difference/between
pupil..and teacher..is lasting...They meet..IN ORDER/to abolish..the difference...between/them..At the-beginning,..since we/are-still..in time,..they come together..on the basis/of..inequality of..ability and experience.

The aim/of..the teacher..is/to..give them more/of..what is temporarily
his...This process..has all/of..the miracle-conditions..we referred to-at..the beginning...The/teacher..or miracle worker)..gives more/to those..*who have less,..bringing them/closer to/equality..with him, at/the..same time gaining..for himself.

The confusion/here i..s only..because/they do-not gain/the same things,..because they/do not..NEED the..same things...If they did, their..respective,..though/temporary..roles would/not..be conducive to mutual profit.

Freedom..from fear/can-be..achieved..by BOTH teacher
and pupil..ONLY if*.they do-not..compare either/their..needs
or..their positions/in..regard to-each other..in terms..of higher and lower.

Presumably,..children/must learn..from parents...What parents learn from..children..is merely of/a..different order...Ultimately,..there is/no..difference..in order,..but this/involves..only knowledge.

Neither parents/nor children..can be said/to..HAVE knowledge,
or their/relationships..would/not exist.AS IF-they..were..on different-levels...The same/is true..of the/teacher..and the pupil.

Children/have..an authority-problem..ONLY if/they..believe
that their/image..is influenced/BY..the authority...This is/an
act/of will..on their part,..because/they are..electing to mis-perceive..the authority..and GIVE him/this power.
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 3 November 2013 2:52:20 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
A TEACHER..with/an..authority/problem..is merely..a pupil
who refuses..to teach/others...because..his..will/has willed/wrong-creation.

He/wants..to maintain..HIMSELF..in/a position
where..he can/be..misused..and misperceived.

This/makes him..resentful/of teaching,..because/of
what..he insists..was done/to him.

The..only way-out..of/this particular..aspect
[of/the desert]..is still..to leave...The way/this
is left..is/to release..EVERYONE involved,..by ABSOLUTELY/REFUSING to engage..in any/form..of honoring..further/misscreation/error.

Neither/teacher..nor pupil..is imprisoned..by learning
unless he/ab-uses..it as..means..of further/error..as-an attack.

If he/does this,..he will/be..imprisoned..whether he
actually teaches.or/learns,..or refuses/to-be..engaged in/the process at-all...The role of/a..teacher,..properly conceived,[realized]..is one of/leading..himself/and..others..out of/the desert...

The value/of this role..can hardly/be..underestimated,..if only because it/was..one/to which..I very gladly/dedicated..my own life.

I have..repeatedly/asked..MY pupils to/follow me...This means
that,..to/be..effective teachers,..they MUST/interpret teaching..as I
do...I have/made..EVERY effort..to teach-you/*ENTIRELY without fear.

If you..do/not listen,..you will/be..unable to avoid
the VERY/obvious..error..of perceiving/teaching..as a threat.
It..is hardly/necessary..to/say..that teaching is/a process..whose purpose..is to..produce/learning.

*The ultimate/purpose..of ALL/learning..is to abolish fear.
This/is necessary..so that/knowledge..can happen...The role..of/the teacher..is NOT/the role..of God...This confusion/is..all too frequently*made,..by parents,/teachers,/therapists,..and the clergy.

It/is..a real/misunderstanding..of both God..and His miracles...Any teacher..who believes/that teaching..is fearful..*CANNOT learn because/he..is paralyzed...He also..cannot..really teach...fearlessness.

B...was quite-right/in..maintaining..that/this course
is..a/prerequisite..for his...However,/he was..really saying much more/than..that...The purpose..of/this..course IS/to prepare..you
for knowledge...So its..the/only real/purpose..of any legitimate course...All/that..is/required..of/you..as a teacher..is/to follow Me.

Whenever..anyone decides..that/he..can..function/only..in SOME roles but/..not in others,..he cannot..BUT/be..attempting..to make/a compromise..which/will..not work.

If..B...is under/the..misbelief..that/he..is coping/with..the fear problem/by..functioning as/an administrator..and as a teacher of interns,..but NOT/as..a teacher of students,..he/is..merely-deceiving
himself...He owes/himself..greater respect.

There is nothing..as tragic as/the..attempt to/deceive..one’s self,..because..it implies that/you perceive..yourself as so unworthy that/deception..is/more..fitting for you..than truth.

Either you/can..function..in-all..of the/roles..you/have properly undertaken..to fill,..or you cannot/function..effectively..*in any of them...*This/IS..an all..or none decision..You CANNOT make/inappropriate..level of..distinctions/within-this choice.

You are..either/capable..or not.
This..does not..mean that/you..can DO..everything,/bu..it does DOES mean/that you..are either.*totally/miracle-minded..or not...This decision..is/open..to NO compromise..whatever.

When..B. says/that..he cannot/teach,..he is making-the
same/mistake..that we spoke/of..before,..when/he acted..as if universal laws..applied to*..everyone/except him.

This is/not..only arrogant,..but patently/untrue...Universal laws
must/apply..to him,..unless he/does..not exist.

We will/not bother..to argue..about this.
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 3 November 2013 10:06:37 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Every Soul God created is part of you, and shares His glory WITH you.
His glory belongs to Him, but it is equally YOURS.



There are no idolaters in the Kingdom, but there is great appreciation for every Soul which God created



Glory is your inheritance, given your Soul by its Creator, that you might EXTEND it. But if you hate part of your own Soul, ALL your understanding is lost, because you are looking on what God creates AS YOURSELF without love.



The peace of YOUR Soul lies in its limitlessness. Limit the peace you share, and your own Soul MUST be unknown to you. Every altar to God is part of your Soul, because the Light He created is One with Him.



You CANNOT sell your Soul, but you CAN sell your AWARENESS of it.



You cannot perceive the soul, but you will not KNOW it while you perceive anything ELSE as more valuable



The Holy Spirit is your strength because He perceives nothing BUT your soul as you. He is perfectly aware that you do NOT know yourselves, and perfectly aware of how to teach you what you are.



The Soul has been created. The body is a learning device FOR the mind.



the Soul is already perfect, and therefore does not require correction.



ONLY the mind is capable of illumination. The Soul is already illuminated



In the Creation, God projected his Creative Ability out of Himself toward the Souls which He created, and also imbued them with the same loving wish (or will) to create.



They heal because they deny body-identification and affirm Soul-identification.
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 6:53:42 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
God's Sons..[lights]..de-lights]..are
as equal..as learners..as they are as Souls.



if he listens..to the wrong voice,
he has LOST SIGHT*..of his Soul...BUT..He CANNOT ever-lose it,..
but he CAN..chose..to..not know it...It is therefore[thereby].LOST TO HIM,..*until he chooses rightness..off truth..over self-delusion.



We have repeatedly..emphasized the/fact/..that one level
of the mind..*is not understandable..to another...So/too..it is ..with/the ego..and the soul,..and with time..and eternity.



Eternity is an idea..of God,
purely..so the soul*..understands it perfectly.



The Holy Spirit..is the mediator between/the
interpretations of the ego..[of man]..and..the knowledge..of the Soul.



Whenever you are not..wholely joyous,..it is because
you have..*reacted with a lack of love..to some Soul..which God created.



Do not withhold your gifts..to the Sonship,..or you withhold yourself from God...Selfishness is of the ego..but self-fulness is of the Soul because*..that is how..He created it's beiing.



The Holy Spirit.is the part of the mind..that lies between
the ego..and the Soul,..mediating between them..*ALWAYS IN FAVOR OF THE SOUL.



The soul KNOWS..that/the consciousness..of all/its brothers is included*..in its own,..as IT is included in God...*The power of the whole Sonship..AND OF ITS CREATOR...is therefore its OWN fulness, rendering its Creation..and its creating..*equally whole and equal in perfection



Creating..is the OPPOSITE of loss,
as blessing..is the opposite of sacrifice...our inner-Being MUST be extended..outwards...That is how it retains*.the knowledge of itSELF.

The soul yearns to share*..ITS Being..as ITS Creator did.
Created BY sharing,..its will is to create...It does NOT wish to CONTAIN God,..but to EXTEND..HIS BEING.



The extension of God's Being..is the Soul’s only function.
ITS fulness cannot be contained..any more than can..be constrained..the fulness of its Creator...fullness IS extension...oof miraculous creations via revelations.



YOU may..*not know..even/your own creations,..but this
can no more interfere..with their reality..than your unawareness of your Soul..can interfere..with its being.



Your creations love you..as your Soul
loves your Father..FOR THE GIFT OF..your CREATION.



It becomes ONLY a means/..by which the part..of the mind which
you have separated..from your Soul..will/can..reach beyond its ego-distortions..and..return to the ergo-Soul.
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 7:07:28 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Against this sense of temporary existence,
the Soul offers the knowledge of permanence and unshakeable BEING.



You cannot conceive of the real relationship that exists between God and His Souls, because of the hatred you have for the Self you have made.



In the ego's language, to have and to be are different, but they are identical to the Soul.



In every case you have thought wrongly about some Soul that God created, and are perceiving images your ego makes in a darkened glass.



The ego and the Soul DO NOT KNOW each other.



I am conditioning you to associate misery with the ego, and joy with your *Soul*



the Soul reacts in the same way to everything it know is true, and does not respond at all to anything else.



Existence is SPECIFIC in how, what, and with whom communication is worth undertaking. Being is completely without these distinctions. It is a state in which the mind IS in communication with everything that is real, including its own Soul.



Remember that the Soul knows no difference between being and having. The higher mind thinks according to the laws which the Soul obeys, and therefore honors only the laws of God.



Having everything, the Soul HOLDS everything by GIVING it, thus creating as the Father created.
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 7:08:26 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Listen only to God, who is as incapable of deception as are the Souls he created.



Of your egos you can do nothing to save yourselves or others. But of your Souls you can do everything for the salvation of both. Humility is a lesson for the ego, not for the Soul. The Soul is beyond humility, because it recognizes its radiance, and gladly sheds its light everywhere.



I need devoted teachers as much as I need devoted priestesses. They both heal the mind, and that is always my own aim. The Soul is far beyond the need of your protection OR mine.



Man reacts to his ego much as God does to His Souls,-- with love, protection, and great charity.



The ego's ceaseless attempts to gain the Soul’s acknowledgement and thus establish its own existence are utterly useless. The Soul in its knowledge is unaware of the ego.



While the ego is equally unaware of the Soul, it DOES perceive itself as rejected by something which is greater than itself.



Salvation is nothing more that "right-mindedness" which is NOT the one-mindedness of the Soul, but which must be accomplished before one-mindedness can be restored.



The Christ Mind wills from the Soul, not from the Ego, and the Christ Mind IS yours.



You, too, have a Kingdom which your Soul has created. It has not ceased to create because your ego has set you on the road of perception. Your Soul’s creations are no more fatherless than you are. Your ego and your Soul will never be co-creators, but your Soul and YOUR Creator will ALWAYS be.



It should be quite apparent to you by now why the ego regards the Soul as its "enemy." The ego arose from the Separation, and its continued existence depends on your continuing belief in the Separation.
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 7:09:19 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Each Soul..knows God completely...This IS the miraculous power/of the Soul...The fact..that every..[each]Soul h..as this power completely*..is a fact that is entirely alien..to human thinking,[in which..*if any ONE has everything,.there is nothing LEFT.]



Eating of the tree-of..knowledge..is a symbolic expression for incorporating..into the self the ability.for self-creation...This is the ONLY sense..in which God..and His souls are NOT co-creators.



You and B...still believe you/are images..of your own creation.
You are split..with[from]..your own Souls on this point,..and there is NO resolution,..because you believe..the one thing..*that is literally INCONCEIVABLE...thus clearly faulse



That is why/your Souls are still..in peace,
even though your minds..are in conflict.



But to be self-centered..in the RIGHT sense
is to be inspired,..or in the Soul...The truly inspired are enlightened,..and cannot abide in darkness.



He can speak..from his Soul..*or from his ego,
precisely..as he chooses...If he speaks..from his Soul,
he has chosen to.."be still..and know that I am God."..These words are inspired,..*because they come..*from KNOWLEDGE.



Your real worth..IS your..divine authorship,..and your Soul is its acknowledgment...I cannot guide..your egos..*EXCEPT as you associate them with your Souls.



Every symptom..which the ego has made..involves a contradiction in terms...This is because..the mind is split between the ego and the Soul,..so that WHATEVER the ego/makes is incomplete..and contradictory.



NOTHING..can reach the Soul..*from the ego,
and nothing..FROM the Soul can..strengthen the ego,..or reduce the conflict..*within it.



They are fundamentally..irreconcilable
because..the Soul cannot perceive,..*and the ego cannot know.



true learning..DOES lead to the
relinquishment..(NOT destruction)..of the ego..to the light of the Soul.[revelations]



Your ego..is NEVER at stake..*because God did not create it.
Your Soul..*is never at stake..because He DID.



YOU are part of reality,..which stands unchanged..beyond the reach of your ego,..but within easy reach of your Soul.



The word "inevitable"..is fearful to the ego,
but joyous..to the Soul...God IS inevitable..and you CANNOT avoid Him anymore..than/that He can avoid YOU.



The ego..is afraid of the Soul’s joy,
because..once you have experienced this,..you will withdraw all protection from your ego..and become totally without investment in fear.
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 7:18:17 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
God created Souls..so He could depend on them
BECAUSE..He created them perfectly.



Your mind..is NOT serving your Soul.



If you believe..that all of the Souls that God created
ARE His Sons,..and if you also believe..that the Sonship is One,
then every Soul..MUST be..a Son[light]..of God ,..or an integral part of the Sonship.



NOTHING..can prevail against..a Son of God who commends
his Spirit..into the hands of His Father...By doing this,.the mind awakens..from its sleep,..and the Soul remembers..its Creator...All sense of Separation disappears,..and level confusion vanishes.



Most of the abilities..man now possesses..are only shadows of his real strengths...The Soul knows,..loves,.and creates...These are its unequivocal functions.



The Soul..does not..need healing,
but..the mind DOES.



The mind returns itself..to its proper function
only when it WILLS..TO KNOW...This places it/in the Soul’s service, where perception..is meaningless.



The mind..DID divide itself..when it willed..to create
its own levels..[of reality]..*AND the ability..to perceive them.[his own..misscreations]..But it could NOT.*entirely separate itself from the Soul,..because it is FROM..the Soul that it..derives its whole power to create...*Even in miscreating,..our/free-will is affirming its source,..or it would merely/cease to be...This is impossible, because..it IS part of the Soul,..which God created,..and which is therefore eternal.



God and the Souls/He created remain..in surety,
and therefore KNOW..that no miscreation exists.



But I was..a man
who remembered the Soul..and its knowledge.
I demonstrated both..the powerlessness of the body..AND the power of the mind,..by uniting MY will..with that of my Creator,..which naturally remembered the Soul..and its own real purpose.



The Soul’s functions.are NOT relative...*They are ABSOLUTE.
They are OF..God and_under_God,..and therefore God-like.

It was..an aid to the artist..in his own creative endeavors.
As he made new homes..[bodies]..for Souls..and guided them..thru the period of their own developmental readiness,[via spiritual-evolution]..he learned the role of the father himself.



God and the Souls..He created ARE..symbiotically related...*They are COMPLETELY dependent..*on each other...The creation of the Soul itself..*has already been perfectly accomplished,..but the creation..*BY Souls has not.
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 7:28:46 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Lee Flynn



We have also emphasized that man, insofar as the term relates to Soul, has not only been fully Created, but also been created perfect. There is no emptiness in him. The next point, too, has already been made, but bears repetition here. The Soul, because of its own likeness to its Creator, is creative. No Child of God is capable of losing this ability, because it is inherent in what he IS.



The Revelation unites Souls directly with God.



The Miracle unites Souls directly with each other.



Revelations induce complete but temporary suspension of doubt & fear. They represent the original form of communication between God and His Souls,



The Soul never loses its communion with God



If a mind creates without love, it can create an empty shell. This CAN be possessed by evil. But the Atonement restores the Soul to its proper place



The miracle restores the Soul to its fullness



The soul is in a state of grace forever.



Man's reality is ONLY his soul.



Therefore, man is in a state of Grace forever



The Soul is therefore unalterable because it is ALREADY perfect, but the mind can elect the level it chooses to serve.



Free will is the attribute of the mind, NOT the Soul. The Soul always remains changeless, because it never leaves the sight of God



The mind, if it votes to do so, becomes a medium by which the Soul can create along the line of its own creation



if a mind (Soul) is in valid relationship with God, it CAN'T be upside down



Sex was intended as an instrument for physical creation to enable Souls to embark on new chapters in their experience
http://sites.google.com/site/acimworksheets/soul-in-acim-urtext---single-sentences
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 7:32:20 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Descartes engaged..in a very interesting..teaching procedure,..and one..from which he/himself..learned a great deal...He began with doubting..the existence of everything,.except/himself.

He insisted..that his own existence..*was not open to doubt,
and..rebuilt his entire/thought-system..on the one..premise
\*“I think,..therefore I am.”*/

It is noteworthy..that he arrived at accepting the entire system
which..he originally doubted],..[solely..on the basis..of this
ONE piece..of..known/know-ledge...

There was,..however,..a distinct shift..in his own perception.
He/no longer really questioned..the reality..of what he perceived, because he KNEW..he was/there...witnessing...its real/being.

We mentioned..before that..B...is not too/sure of this,
and that..is why..we suggested/that he concentrate on..replying..the imp0licite question..with an..affirming reply

\*“Lord,..here I am.”*/

A teacher..is un*likely..to be effective
unless he*begins..with..the simple truth..of simply.,BEING THERE.

B,..this is/not really..open to question...You will..lose all your
fear..of teaching..and relating..[in any form]..once you know..*who you..really[essentially/..at essence]..are.

There is-no point..whatever/in remaining..in the prison
of believing..that this..is up to you...*You do-NOT..exist
in different-lights...[visualizations/aspects]..It is..this belief which/has..confused you..about your own reality.

Why/would you want to..remain so obscure..to yourself?
We have..already discussed/the Last Judgment..in some..though insufficient detail...After.the Last Judgment,*..there isn’t any more.

This is symbolic..only/in..the sense that
everybody..is much better off..WITHOUT judgment...When
the Bible says..“Judge not that/ye..be not judged”..it..merely means that if*..you judge..the
reality of others..at all,..you will be..unable*..to avoid judging..your own...by a different measure*

The choice..to judge/rather..than know*
has been..the/cause of..the loss of peace.

Judgment is..the process..on which perception
*but not..[re]-cognition/rests...We covered this..before
in terms..of selectivity...Evaluation was said..at that time..to be
its obvious prerequisite.

Judgment*..*ALWAYS involves rejection.
It is not*..an ability..which emphasizes ONLY/the positive-aspects
of what/is..ill-judged,..whether it be..in..or out of the self...However,..what/has been perceived*..and rejected,..(or judged and.found wanting).;remains in the/unconscious...simply..*because it/HAS*been..perceived.

Watson had/a very relevant notion..of the
unconscious..in this connection...In fact,..it was
so relevant..that he dropped it..as officially*out of accord with Behaviorism.

He was right..on both counts.

http://miraclevision.com/acim/urtext/acim-urtext-2003-upe-ready-edition.pdf

page93
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 3:43:17 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
One..of the illusions..from which human/'perception suffers
is that..what..it perceives/and..*judges..against..has no effect.

This..cannot be true,..*unless man..also believes
that/what..his judgment vetoes..does not exist...He evidently..does not believe/this,..or he..would not/have judged..against it...*It does/not..really matter/in..the end,..whether ..judge right..or
wrong.

Either way,..you/are..building/on sand/placing..your belief..[in the un-real.]..
This/cannot..be avoided..in/any/type..of judgment,..because..it IMPLIES..the belief..that reality..is yours..to choose FROM*.

Neither of/you..has any idea..of/the tremendous release..and deep peace..that comes/from meeting yourselves..and your brothers*..totally without judgment.

If you/will..look/back at..the earlier notes..about what you
and..your brothers ARE,..you will realize that/judging them..in any way..is really/without meaning...In fact,..their true-meaning..is lost/to you*precisely..*because you ARE..judging them.

All uncertainty..comes/from..a totally fallacious
belief..that you/are..under the..*coercion/of..judgment..You/do
not..need it..to organize your/life,..and you..certainly...do/not need..it..to organize yourselves...back..into atonment.

When..you look/upon..knowledge,..all judgment/is..
automatically-suspended,..and this/is..the process..that enables recognition/to REPLACE..perception...Man is/very..fearful of
everything..he..*has miss-perceived..and..accordingly..refused to accept.

He believes..that..*because/he has
refused-to..accept it,..that..he has..lost control..over it...This
is why..he sees it/in..nightmares,..or/in..pleasant disguise..in what seems*..to be..happier dreams.

*Nothing..that you/have..refused to
accept..can-be/brought..into awareness.
It..does NOT follow..that.,.it is..dangerous.
But it/DOES follow..that you..have made/it..dangerous..

When..you feel..tired,..it/is..merely/because..you
have judged*..yourself..as capable/of..being tired.

When..you laugh at someone..it/is..because
you..have judged-him..as debased.

When..you laugh/at..yourself,..you are..singularly..likely
to laugh..at others,..if only because..you cannot tolerate..being more..debased..THAN others...All/of..this does..make you..feel/tired,
[emotionally drained/spent]..because..it is..essentially disheartening.

You..are not/really..capable of..being tired,
but..you/are..very capable..of wearying..yourselves.
The strain..of constant/miss-judgment..is virtually/intolerable.

It is..a curious thing/that any..ability..which is
so debilitating;..should be/so deeply..cherished.
held so dear..bought upon/self..so dearly..
thus..clearly earned.

But..there is..a..very good/reason..for this.
(This,..however,..depends..upon what..you mean/by good.)

If..you wish..to/be..the author of..your-reality,..which is
totally*..impossible anyway,..then you/will..insist..on holding-on..to judgment.

You..then..will/also to-use..the term.;.with..considerable fear
and..believe/that..*judgment..will/someday..be used..against you...To whatever/extent..*it IS/used against you,..it is..*due ONLY*to..*your belief..in its efficacy..as a weapon/of defense..for/your own authority.

The issue..of authority..is really..a question/of authorship.
When..an individual..has a..“authority problem,”..it-is..ALWAYS because/he..believes..he is/the author..of himself,..and
resents..his own projection/that..you share/his delusion..

in this respect...He then perceives/the situation..as one
in which..two people/are literally..fighting for/his..own authorship.
This*..is/the fundamental error..of/all..those..who believe/they have usurped*..the power off..God*
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 6 November 2013 1:53:53 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
"People understand..what..'knowledge'..means.
And..they understand/the possibility..of different levels..of knowledge...They understand/that knowledge..may be..relevent..toa geater..or lesser..purpose,..that is/to say,..being..of one quality or..of another quality.

But..they do/not..understand this..in relation/to..'being.'..

'Being,'..for them,..means simply..'existence'

knowledge..exists..with/out..in..physical-form,..
as..to/which..is..with-in..as opposed..[justly..'non-existence.']

They..do/not understand..that being..or existence may be
of very..different levels..and categories...Take for instance the being..of a mineral..and of a plant...It is a different means..to being...The being..of a plant..and of an animal..is again a different being.

The being..of an animal..and of a man..is an/other..different being. But..the being..of two people..can differ..one..from one another..more than the being..of a mineral..from/that..of an animal-being.

This is exactly..what people do/not understand...And
they do not understand..that knowledge..depends on..the being...Not only do/they not understand..this latter but..they definitely..do not wish to understand/it...And especially..in Western culture.

where..it is/considered that..a man may possess/great knowledge,
for example..he may be/an able-scientist,..even/make discoveries, advance science,..and at the same time/he may be,..*and has/the right to be,..a petty,egoistic,caviling,mean,envious,vain,naive,..and absent-minded.

"And yet..it is/his being...And people..think/that
his knowledge..does not depend..on his being...People/of Western culture..put great value..on the level of/a man's knowledge..but they do/not value..the level of a man's-being..and are/not ashamed..of the low level/of..their own being...They do/not..even understand..what it means...And they/do not..understand..that a man's/knowledge*depends on the/level..of his being.
"If knowledge..gets far ahead/of being,..it becomes
theoretical..and abstract..and inapplicable..to life,.,.or actually harmful,..because..instead of serving/life..and helping people..the better/to struggle..with the difficulties..they meet,..it begins/to complicate..man's life,..and/brings new difficulties..into it,..new troubles..and calamities..which were not there before.

"The reason..for this/is..that knowledge[which is/not]in accordance with being..cannot be..large enough for,..or sufficiently/suited to, man's..real immediate/needs.

It will/always be..a knowledge..of one thing
together with/ignorance..of another thing;..as/knowing
a knowledge..of the detail/without..a knowledge of/the whole;..a knowledge..of..*the form[without a knowledge/of..the essence].

"Such preponderance..of knowledge..over being..is observed/in present-day..culture...The idea of/the..value and importance..of the level/of being..is completely forgotten...And it/is..forgotten that/the level of..knowledge..is determined by/the level..of being.

Actually..at a given/level..of being
the possibilities..of knowledge..are limited...and finite..Within
the limits..of a given-being..the quality..of knowledge/cannot be changed,..and the accumulation..of information..of one/and..the same nature,..within already/known limits,..alone is possible.

A change in/the nature..of knowledge..is possible
only..with a change/in..the nature..of being.
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 6 November 2013 3:28:13 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
"Taken..in itself,..a man's/being..has many..different/sides...The most..characteristic feature..of a modem man..is the absence of*unity..in him..

and,..further,..the absence/in..him of..even traces of those properties..which..he most/likes to..ascribe..to himself,..that is, 'lucid-consciousness,'..'free-will,'..a 'permanent.ego..or I,'..and the 'ability..to do.'

It may..surprise you..if/I..say that/the chief feature..of/a..modem man's-being..which explains/everything-else..that/is lacking..in him..is sleep.

"A/modern man..lives..in sleep,
in sleep..he..is born..and..in sleep..he dies...

About sleep,..its significance..just think..of/one thing,..what knowledge..can..a sleeping-man have?

And..if you/think about it..and at the same time
remember..that sleep..is/the chief feature..of/our being,..it will..at once become/clear..to you that..if/a man..really wants knowledge,..he must first of all..think about..how to wake,..that is,..about how..to change..his very-being.

"Exteriorly man's being..has many different sides:..activity or passivity;..truthfulness..or a tendency to lie;..sincerity or insincerity;..courage,/cowardice; self-control,..profligacy; irritability,..egoism,/readiness for..self-sacrifice,..pride,vanity, conceit,..industry,..laziness,.morality,.depravity;...all these and much more/besides..make up the being..of man.

"But..all/this..is entirely/mechanical..*in man.
If he lies..*it means..that he cannot*help lying...If he
tells..the truth..it means that..he cannot help..telling the truth, and..so it is.with everything.

*Everything happens,..a man/can do nothing
either in himself..or outside himself.

"But of course..there are limits..and bounds...Generally speaking, the being..of a modem man..is of very/inferior quality..But it can be of/such bad quality..that no change is possible.

This must/always.be remembered...People whose being
can still..be changed..are very lucky...But there are people
who are definitely diseased, broken machines..with whom nothing..can be done...And such..beings..are in the majority...

If you think/of this..you will understand..why only few/can receive..any real knowledge...Their being..[their own..misscreations]..prevents it.

"Generally speaking,..the balance/between..knowledge..and being
is..even more important..than/a separate development..of either one or..the other...And..a separate development..of knowledge..or of being..is not desirable..*in..any way...

*Although..it is precisely this one-sided development..that often/seems..particularly attractive to people.

"If knowledge..outweighs being/
a man knows..but has/no power of will..to do...It thus..is useless knowledge...On the..other hand..if being outweighs/knowledge..a man has the power to do,..but does not know,..that is,..he can do something..but does/not know..*what to do.

The being..he has acquired..becomes aimless
and..his futile efforts..made to attain it..prove to be..equally/useless.

"In the history of humanity..there are known..many examples where entire civilizations..have perished because..knowledge outweighed their being..or their being..outweighed..the knowledge."

"What are..the results..of the development..of
the line..of knowledge..without being,..

or the development..of the line..of being without knowledge?"
"The development..of the line of knowledge without the line of being gives..a man who knows..a great deal..but can/do nothing,[change nothing]..
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 6 November 2013 4:00:30 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
The missbelief..is very frightening to them,
but hardly troubles God..at all...He is,..however,
eager to undo it,..*not to punish His children,..but ONLY..because He knows that it's misscreations[the root of all evil]..makes
them unhappy.

Souls were given.their own true authorship,..and then men
preferred to/remain anonymous..when..*they chose to separate themselves..FROM their Author.*..The/word..“authority”..has been one of their..most fearful symbols..ever since.

Author-ity..has/been used..for..deliverance..of great cruelty, because,..by..being uncertain of/their..*true Authorship,..men
miss-believe/that their creation..was anonymous...

This has left them in a position..where it SOUNDS/meaningful..to consider the miss-probability..or even..mere possibility*..that they..*must have created themselves.

The dispute/over author-ship..has left such uncertainty..in
the minds of man..that some/people..have gone so far as...to doubt whether..they were..*ever created at all...Despite the/apparent contradiction..in this position,.it is in/one sense..more tenable than the view that/they created themselves.

At least,..it acknowledged..the fact..that
some..TRUE..verifiable..authorship..causation..is*necessary for existence...Only those..who give over..any/or all desire..to reject can KNOW..that their own rejection is/impossible.

You have not usurped..the power of God,..but you HAVE lost it...simply by misscreating a faulse cause..Fortunately,.when you lose something,..this does not mean..that the..true/something has gone...It merely/means..that YOU*do/not..know..where it..truth is.

thus..does not depend-on..*your ability..to
identify it,..or even to re-place it's Honoria...It is perfectly possible..to look on*..reality*without judgment,..and merely to KNOW it is..there.[here].[now]

By knowing this,..you are..not/doubting..its reality at all.
Peace..is a natural heritage..of the Soul...*Everyone is free to refuse..to accept his/inheritance,..but he is*NOT free..to establish what*..his inheritance IS.

The problem which/everyone..MUST decide..is the
fundamental question..of..*his own authorship...

All fear comes
ultimately,..via the miscreations wrought by our-self..and
sometimes by..way of very..devious half hearted routes,..which lead..us ever/further away..from the truth..thus even further..from our father..simply by the denial..of Authorship.

The offense..is never to God,..but only..to the denier himself.
He has thrown/away the..reason for his own peace,..and sees himself only..in pieces...and never as we all truly are..[vital pieces]..

This strange mis-perception..IS an
author-ity problem..It is also..the basis for
cast-ration anxiety,..since both..forms of error..are/fundamentally the same...

[to..cut/off..what only..the truth knows..
just to spite..the farce..[face-saving]
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 6 November 2013 11:00:26 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Neither you..nor B. can find peace..while this authority problem continues...But..the/truth is still..that there IS no problem about this...There is/no man/who..does not feel..that/he is imprisoned in some way.

If this..has been/the result..of his own free will,..he must
regard his will.*as if it..were NOT free,..or..the ill-begotten fruits..of obviously..circular/reasoning..of his own/position would be quite..apparent.

*Free will*..MUST lead to freedom.*
nothing less is fair..Judgment..always imprisons,..our very soul because..it separates/into segments..of reality..according to highly unstable..scales of desire.

*Wishes*..are not facts,..by/definition.*
To wish..is to imply that..our mind/simply willing..is not sufficient...However,..no one really/believes that..what is wished for
is as real..as what is willed...to..be

Instead of..“seek you..first the/Kingdom of Heaven”
say..“Will ye first..the Kingdom of Heaven,”..and you/have said “I
know..what I am,..and I will*to accept..my own inheritance.”

It is ESSENTIAL..that this whole..authority_problem
needs be....voluntarily dismissed at once..and for all time...before B’s course. Neither of you..understands..how important..this is for your..own self-sanity...

You are both.quite insane on..this point.
(This is not..a judgment...It is merely a fact.]

(No, Helen,..you SHOULD use the word..“fact”.
This is just..as much a fact..as God is...A fact

this self recognition..of self..is literally..the proper foundation..the..“making” for..a sure sound starting point.

You DO start..from this point,..and your thinking
is inverted..because of it.)..but..Every system..of thought MUST have a..sure starting point...It begins with..either a making..or a/creating,..a difference..which we have already covered.

Both.are acts of will,..except/that making involves doing,
and creating..involves active willing...Their resemblance lies
in..their power..*as FOUNDATIONS...Their difference..lies in what rests..*upon them.*

Both/are cornerstones..for systems of belief..by which men live.
It is a mistake..to believe that.a thought-system..*which is based on lies is weak.

*NOTHING.*made by a child of God..is without power.
It is absolutely*essential..that you/realize this,..*because otherwise..you will not understand...why you have so much trouble
with this course, and will be*..unable to escape from..the prisons you*have..(made)*created/for yourselves.

(The use.of creative/here w..as an error.
You should/have said/made..for/yourself.)

You have both made..the error of/the psychotherapist
we described..in some detail/before,..and it is particularly serious at/*this time.

*You..cannot resolve your authority problem
by depreciating..the power..*of your minds.

If This..can hurt you..if you misuse it,..because
you KNOW..you..formatted..it..its strength.

You..also know..that you*CANNOT weaken it
anymore than you..can weaken God.
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 6 November 2013 11:30:39 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
The whole picture..is one..in which man/acts in a
way..he HIMSELF*.realizes*..is self destructive,..but which he does NOT WILL..to correct,..an/therefore..perceives the cause as beyond his control.

We have discussed..the fall..or Separation before,..but
its meaning must be clearly/understood,..*without symbols.

*The Separation..is NOT symbolic.*..It is an order..of reality,
for..a system of thought..that is PERFECTLY real..[in time]..,though not in Eternity...*All beliefs/are real..*to the believer.

The fruit..of only..ONE tree..
was..“forbidden”..to man/in his..symbolic garden...

*But God/could*not..have forbidden it,..or it
could*not..have*BEEN eaten...[God*knows..His children,
and..I assure you..he/would..NOT*have put them..in..a position..where their own/destruction..was possible!

The..“tree”..which was forbidden..was correctly/named..“tree of
knowledge.”..Yet God created..knowledge,..and gave it..freely to His Creations...

The/symbolism..here is open/to..many interpretations,..but you may/be..SURE..that any/interpretation..which perceives*..either God..OR His creations..as if..they were capable..of/destroying their own Purpose*..is wrong.

Eating..of the tree of knowledge..is a symbolic expression/for incorporating..into the/self..the ability..for self-creation...This is..the ONLY/sense..in which God..and His souls are*NOT co-creators.

The belief..that they ARE..*is implicit..in
the..“self-concept,”..a concept now/made acceptable..by its own WEAKNESS,..and explained/by..a tendency..of the self..to create a self contained-IMAGE..of itself.

Its fear aspect..is usually..ascribed/to..the..“father figure,” a particularly/interesting idea,..in view of/the fact..that nobody means..the physical father..by the term.

It/refers to..an surreal-IMAGE of..a father
in relation to..an IMAGE..of the self.

Once again,..images are perceived,..NOT known.
Knowledge..cannot pre-deceive.. but/perception CAN.

Man can perceive..himself as self-creating,..but he..CANNOT do more
than BELIEVE it...He CANNOT make it true...I told you before that when*you finally/perceive correctly,..you can only/be GLAD YOU CAN’T.

But until then,..the belief that you/CAN..is the central foundation-stone..in your thought-system,..and all/your defenses are/used to attack..the very-ideas..which would bring it..to light.

You..and B...still believe..that
you are images..of your own creation...You are split..with
you/own Souls..on this point,..and there..is NO end-point..of true resolution,..because..you believe..the one thing..that..is literally INCONCEIVABLE.

That..is why..you CANNOT..create,..and
are afraid to..even..to make..or produce.

You,..Helen,..are CONSTANTLY arguing/about..
the author-ship*of..this course...This is
NOT humility;..it is a..REAL author-ity..problem.
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 7 November 2013 12:17:36 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
You,..Bill,..really believe..that/..by teaching/you..are assuming a dominant..or father role,..and that/the..“father figure”..will kill you...This..is not..reality..nor..humility either.

Castration fears..are..a particularly..distorted..reflection
of the..real/'basic anxiety,..or..Separation fear...*The hype-notarized mind..can make..the belief..in Separation,..seem..VERY real..and VERY/fearful...And..this/belief..IS..the devil.created..by misscreation.

It is..thus..seemingly..powerful,active,destructive,..and/is
clearly..in opposition..to God,/because it..literally denies..*His Fatherhood...Never underestimate..the power..of this denial.

simply..Look/at..your lives..and..see..what.."this devil"..has made. But..KNOW that/even..this making..will/surely dissolve..in the light of truth,..*because..at/its..foundation..it/IS..a lie.

Your creation/by God..is/the..only/foundation..which
cannot/be shaken,..because the*light..is..*IN it.*Your starting point IS..based-in..truth,..and..so..you MUST return..to this..sure-Beginning.

Much/has been..perceived..since then,
but..see..nothing/else..has happened...That is why..*your Souls
are still..in peace,..*even though..your..reactive/minds..are in conflict.

You have/not..yet gone/back far ENOUGH..and
that/is..why you..become so fearful...

As/you approach..nearer/the beginning,..you feel..the fear of/the destruction..of your errant/injurious/hurtful..thought-systems/fallin..upon you,..*as if it..were the fear..of death.

There..IS no death,..but there IS..a belief*/or implied-relief..in death.[but something..never-real..cant really die.

The Bible..says that/the tree..that bears..
no fruit..will be cut off..and will wither away...Be
glad!

The light..WILL shine..from/the..true Foundation of Life,
and your*own..thought-systems/WILL stand corrected...They CANNOT stand otherwise...once..their illusion/becomes clear.

You..*who fear salvation..*are WILLING death...rather..than
admittance..of its..error....[Life..and death,..light..and darkness,
knowledge..and perception..are irreconcilable...opposites[both..cant be true..at the same time.]

To believe..that THEY..*can be..reconciled is
to empower/the miss-believe..that God..and man..can NOT.

Only..the Oneness/of..true-Knowledge..is conflict..less.
[nothing untrue..may-be..conflict free]

Your..rightful/Kingdom..is not/of..this world..because
it was..given you..from BEYOND..this world...[is eternal.not subjective].

Only..IN this world..is the idea*..of an
authors/authority problem..meaningful...The world is/not left
behind..simply/by..death..but..alone/by truth,..and truth CAN be known..by all..of/those..*for whom the..eternal/infinite-Kingdom was
created,..*and for whom..it awaits.

(Aside..to HS...You were/both..so like-wise..and de-voted..(two
words which..are literally/interchangeable..in the sense..that they truly bring/on..the ex-change/of one..and/other.)

in claiming..your scribal*functions
and working..so late...You HAD/committed a serious
error..against your brother,..and..to/one who..had asked for.your help...A/devoted priestess..does not/do this...The Bible says/you should go..WITH a brother twice/as far..as he asks...It certainly DOES*NOT..suggest that you..set him BACK..on his journey.

Devotion..to a brother..CANNOT set/you back either.
It can..ONLY lead to mutual/progress...The result/of genuine devotion is inspiration,..a word which,..properly understood/is the OPPOSITE of fatigue...To be fatigued..is to be DIS-spirited,..but to be inspired..is to...be*IN..the spirit...flow of revelation.

To be..egocentric IS..to be de-spirited.
But to/be..self-centered..in the RIGHT*sense..is to be in-spired,[or in..the Soul-zone]...

The truly in-spired..are en-lightened,..and cannot/abide..*in darkness.[as the smallest light/love/grace/mercy..dispels the fear of the darkness

Do not..attempt to..break..*God’s copy*right,
because..His Author-ship..alone*..CAN copy/right...

Your own right authorship...does not lie..
in re-making..*His IN-spired/copies,..but..in origonal-creating
just..LIKE Him*.
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 7 November 2013 7:02:24 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Embarrassment..is ALWAYS..*an expression of..ego-centricity,.an association..which has/been..made before...*(Made,*..NOT created. This/kind of association..*is ALWAYS man-made).

Both of you..have completed..the SCT stem:..
When..I/was called on ..to speak—with—“I became..embarrassed..and COULD/NOT SPEAK.” This should/be corrected..to..“Recognized/my Authorship.”

Tell B...that he cannot be embarrassed/by his own words
unless..he believes that..HE/is responsible for them...We
have already..corrected..“word”..to..“thought,..[now concept]
and he..IS free to/allocate..the authorship..*for his thoughts..as he elects.

He can speak..from his Soul..or from
his ego,..precisely as he chooses...If he speaks
from his Soul.. he has chosen to..“be still and/know..that I am God.”

These words..*are inspired,
*because..they come*from KNOWLEDGE.

If he speaks..from his ego,..he is DISCLAIMING/knowledge
instead of..AFFIRMING it,true..and/is thus dis-spiriting..[extemporizing]..himself.

The dis-spirited/have no choice..*BUT to be..narcissistic,
and to/be narcissistic..IS to/place your faith..in the unworthy...Your real worth..IS your divine authorship,..and your
Soul/is..its acknowledgement.*

I cannot guide..your egos EXCEPT.as you
associate them/with your Souls...Attacking misidentification errors is neither..MY function nor YOURS...Destroying/the devil is a meaningless/undertaking.

Cervantes wrote..an excellent symbolic account of
this procedure,..though..he did not understand..his own symbolism. The REAL point of/his writing was..that his.“hero” was a man who perceived himself as unworthy because/he .identified with/his ego and perceived its weakness.

He then..set about..to alter..his/perception,..NOT/by
correcting..his mis-identification,..but by..behaving egotistically.

Chesterton wrote..an excellent description of Cervantes..and his perception of his..“unheroic hero,”..a view of man..which the ego tolerates..all too frequently,.

but..*the Soul/NEVER countenances:

Do-not embark..on foolish/journeys
because..they are..indeed..in vain.

The ego..will them..because/the ego
IS both...lean..and..foolish...but.the Soul..CANNOT*embark on
them because..it is..forever.Unwilling/to depart..from its firm/sure..Foundation.

The..journey to..the/cross
should..be..the..LAST foolish/journey..for..every-mind.

Do-not dwell..upon it,..but dismiss it..as accomplished...
If/you..can accept..that..as YOUR OWN..*last foolish/journey,
you..are..thus..free..*also..to join..My Resurrection.

Human living..has indeed..been needlessly/wasted..in self-perpetuating/repetition..of.illusory compulsion...It re-enacts the Separation,..the abandonment..of power,..the foolish
journey..of the ego..in its.attempt..at reparation,..and finally the crucifixion..of the body,..or..illusionism..of death.

Repetition compulsions..can be endless,..unless they/are
given up..*by an act of will,/or,..more properly..as active miss-creation...

*Do not make..the pathetic human error..
of “clinging/to..the old rugged cross.”..The only message
of the crucifixion..is in respect..for man’s*..willed for..ability to OVERCOME*..the cross...*Unless..[until]..he does so,..he is..free to crucify him*self..as often/as he chooses.

*But this..was NOT*..the gospel I intended..to offer him.
We have..yet..another journey to undertake,..and I hope that,.*if both of you..will read...*these notes*carefully*,..they will help..to prepare you..to undertake it.
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 7 November 2013 7:34:42 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
We have spoken..of many different human symptoms,..and at this level there..IS almost/endless variation...But there is only*..one cause..*for all of them.

The authority-problem IS..“the root..of all evil”.
Money is..but one of..its many reflections,..and is a reasonably
representative example..of the kind of thinking..which stems from it.

The idea..of buying/and selling..implies precisely the kind of exchange..that the Souls..*cannot understand at/all*..because their own Supply..is always abundant,..and all their demands are fully met.

Every symptom..which the ego has made..involves a contradiction in terms...This is/because..the mind is split between the ego..and the Soul,..so that WHATEVER the ego..makes is incomplete and contradictory.

Consider what a..“speechless professor”..means/as a concept.
It literally means..a “non-professing professor,”..or a “nonspeaking speaker”.

professors..*must be actively..profession..
or they are but..salt..[that has lost/its taste]

Untenable positions such as this..are the result of the authority problem, which,..*because it..accepts the one*inconceivable thought..as its..base-premise,..*can only produce ideas/which are inconceivable.

B...may claim..(and has certainly/done so..in the past)
that the/PROFESSORSHIP..was thrust upon him...This is/not true. He wanted it..very much,..and..also worked hard..to get it.

He would/not have..had to work so hard either,
if he had..not/misunderstood it's service..with other...

The term..“profess”..is used quite/frequently in the Bible,..but
in a somewhat different/context...To profess..is*to identify..with an idea..and offer the idea..to others..to be THEIR/own.

The idea does/NOT lessen;..it becomes STRONGER.
The teacher clarifies..his own/ideas and strengthens them..BY teaching them...

Teacher and pupil,..therapist and patient,..are all alike in the learning process...They/are in the SAME order of learning,..*and unless they..*SHARE their lessons..they will lack/conviction.

If a salesman..must believe..in the product he sells,..
how much more must..a teacher believe..in the ideas which he professes...

But he needs..another condition;..he must*..also
believe..in the students..to whom he offers his ideas*

B...could not be afraid to teach..unless he still believes that interaction means loss,..and that learning..means separation...

He stands guard*..over his own..miss-conceived/ideas,..because he
wants to protect..this thought-system..*as it is,..and learning MEANS change.

Change is*always fearful..to the separated,[dived..of mind]
because they cannot conceive..of it as a change..*toward/HEALING the separation...They ALWAYS..MISS_perceive it..as a change for further separation,..because separation..*WAS..*their first experience of change.

Bill,..your..*whole-fear..of teaching[professing]..is nothing*but an example..of your/own intense*separation anxiety,..which you_have handled..with..the*usual series..of mixed defenses..[your OWN*miss-creations]

in/the..ill-conceived/combined pattern..of attack..on truth..
and defense..of error, which/characterizes..ALL/ego-biased non-thinking.
Posted by one under god, Friday, 8 November 2013 10:00:32 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
You insist..WRONGLY..that..*if you allow..no change.to enter
into your EGO,..that..your SOUL..will find..peace...somehow*

This..profound/confusion..is possible only if one maintains
that..the SAME thought-system..can stand..on two foundations.

NOTHING can reach..the Soul..from the ego,..and
nothing /FROM the Soul..*can strengthen/the ego,..or reduce the conflict..within it.

The ego..IS a contradiction.
Man’s self..and God’s Self ARE..ergo..in opposition...

They..are..thus..juxtaposed..in miss-creation,..irreconcilable..in will,..and in..divergent-outcome's..both truth..and false.

They are/fundamentally irreconcilable.because the Soul cannot perceive,..error..and the ego cannot know..any..but truths it has biased towards self.

They are..therefore..NOT IN COMMUNICATION,
and..can never BE..in communication.[light/dark..dont_mix]

Nevertheless the ego..can learn,..because its maker
can be misguided,..but CANNOT..make the totally/lifeless..live..with-out..[out/of..the life-given].

The Soul..need not be taught,.but the ego*MUST...

The ultimate reason why learning..or teaching is perceived as frightening..is because..eternally true learning..DOES lead to the relinquishment..over..(NOT destruction of]the ego..[darkness of self]..to the light/of the Soul.

This is...the change..the ego ..MUST fear,
because..it does/not share..the clarity..only found..in charity.

My lesson..was like yours,..and
because..I learned..beyond..it..I can teach it.

I never..attack your/egos..(in spite of..H’s strange beliefs/to the contrary),..but I DO try to..teach them..*how their/miss-thought-systems..many/have arisen.

When..I remind you..of your..TRUE perfect-Creation,..
your egos..cannot..BUT respond..with fear.

Bill,..teaching..and learning are..your greatest strengths
now,..because..*you MUST..change/your mind..and help others..change theirs....

It is pointless..to refuse

to refuse..to tolerate change..or changing..only..because you believe..[fear]..that you only ..can demonstrate..by doing..so that the Separation/never occurred.[the first.WILL BE LAST..remember*]

The dreamer..who doubts.the reality..even..of his/own-dream..
while he is still dreaming..it is not really..healing the mind to mind-level-split...underpinning the separateness.

You HAVE dreamed of..a separated ego,
and you HAVE believed..in a world..which/rested upon it.
thus..This is..very real to you...You cannot..undo this..by doing nothing and not/changing.

If you are willing..to renounce the role of guardians
of your thought-systems.and..open them to me,..I will correct them very gently,..and lead you home.[under grace/mercy..peace]

Every good teacher..hopes to give his students..so much of
his own thinking..comforts.[com-fortable/com-fort-ing]..that they will..one day no longer..*need him...This is the one real goal of the parent,.teacher,.and therapist.

This goal..will not/cannot..be achieved by those who believe that they will LOOSE..their child or pupil..position..or patient if*..they succeed.

thats the..clear error.
Posted by one under god, Friday, 8 November 2013 10:28:34 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
those..who miss-believe..that they will LOOSE
their child..or pupil..or patient ..patent/power or position..if..they succeed...clearly failtheir profession.

It is..IMPOSSIBLE..to convince..the ego of this,
because it goes..against all ..of its own*laws...But remember..
that laws..are set-up..to protect..the continuity of/the system..in which..*the law-maker believes.

It is.natural enough..for the ego to try.to protect itself,..once YOU
have made it...so..But it..is NOT natural..for YOU to want/to obey its laws..*unless YOU believe/in them.

The ego..cannot make..this choice
because..of..the nature..of its origin.

But YOU can,..because of the nature of YOURS.
Egos can clash in any situation,..but Souls cannot clash/at all.

If you perceive..a teacher..as merely a..“larger ego,” ..you WILL be afraid,..because to/ENLARGE an eg..IS to increase separation anxiety.

Do not engage..in this foolishness,
Bill...I will teach with you and live with you,.if you will think with me...But my goal will..always be to absolve..you finally from the need..for a teacher.

This is//the OPPOSITE..of the ego-oriented teacher’s goal.
He is concerned.with the effect of HIS/ego..on OTHER egos,..and he therefore interprets their interaction as a means of..ego/preservation.

This is no less true./.if he is afraid to teach
than if he is frankly..out to dominate..through teaching.
The form of..the symptom is only..a reflection of his particular way of/handling..the separation anxiety.

ALL separation anxiety..is a symptom..of a continuing will
to remain separated...This/cannot be repeated..too often because you have..*NOT learned it..*Bill,..you are afraid to/teach..ONLY because you are afraid..of the impression..your image of yourself..will make
ON..OTHER IMAGES.

You believe that their APPROVAL..of your image..will exalt it,..but
also..that your separation anxiety..will be increased.

You also believe..that their/DISAPPROVAL of it..will lessen the separation anxiety,..but at the cost..of depression.

I would/not be..able to devote myself..to teaching
if..I believed either-of..these ideas,..and YOU will..not be a devoted teacher..yourself as long..as you..maintain them.

I am/constantly..being perceived as..a teacher either..to be exalted or rejected,..but I do not*..accept either..*perception for myself.

Your own worth..is NOT established*..by your teaching.
Your worth..was established*by God.

As long..as you dispute this,..EVERYTHING you *do..will be fearful, and particularly/any situation..which lends itself easily to the superior-inferior fallacy.

Teachers..must be/patient,..and repeat their..own
lessons..until they are..properly..learned...I am un-willing..
to do so,..because I..have no right..to set..*your learning/earnings/limits..*for you.
Posted by one under god, Friday, 8 November 2013 10:44:29 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Once again,—NOTHING..*you do,
or think,..or will,..or make..is necessary..*to establish/your worth.

This point..IS NOT DEBATABLE..except in delusions.
Your ego..*is NEVER at/stake..because God.*did not create it.

Your Soul..*is never..at stake..*because He DID.

Any/confusion..on this point ..IS a delusion,[miss-creation/of ego.
and no form..of devotion ..to other..let alone god..is possible as long/as..this..ego-delusion lasts.

Bill,..if you will..to be..a devoted..professing-teacher
rather/than..an ego-centric one,..you will not be/afraid...The teaching situation..IS fearful..if it is misused..

as..an ego involvement...If you/become afraid,..it is BECAUSE you are miss-using..it this way...But..the devoted teacher..FEARLESSLY-perceives..the situation..*AS IT IS,..*and NOT..*as HE wills it.

He does/not..see it..as dangerous
because/HE is..not exploiting it...yet..The ego
tries to exploit..ALL situations..into forms/of praise for itself in order to/overcome ..its fears..and doubts.

It will/be..doubtful forever,..or better,
as..long as..*you believe in it...*You who made it..CANNOT trust it, because..*you KNOW*..it is not..really-real.

The ONLY..sane/solution..is not-to try..to change reality,
which is..in-deed..a fearful attempt,..but to..simply see it as/it is.

YOU are..part of..the only..true-reality,..which stands unchanged beyond..the reach of..your ego,.but..within easy-reach.of your Soul.

Bill,..again I tell you..that when you are afraid,..be still
and KNOW..that God is real..and*YOU are..His beloved son[in whom he is well pleased.]

Do not*..let your ego..dispute this,*because..the ego cannot know what..is..*as far beyond..*its reach..as you are.

*God..is NOT*..the/author of fear.

YOU are.

You..have willed,..therefore,..to mis-create
unlike Him,..and you have..thus..*made fear..real..for yourselves.

You are/not..at peace,..because
you are not fulfilling..your..intended-function
Posted by one under god, Friday, 8 November 2013 11:12:31 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
God gave you a..very lofty responsibility..which you are not meeting.

You KNOW this,..and..so..you are afraid.

But your egos..have chosen ..to be afraid
INSTEAD of meeting it..When you awaken you/will not
be able to understand this,..insanity..because it is literally in-credible.

DO NOT BELIEVE..THE INCREDIBLE NOW.
Any attempt..to increase its believableness..is merely to postpone the inevitable...The word..“inevitable”..is fearful..to the ego,..but
joyous to the Soul.

God [grace/love/mercy/eternity..IS inevitable
and you..CANNOT avoid Him..anymore than..He can/avoid YOU.

The ego..is afraid of..the Soul’s limitless joy,..because once you have experienced this,..you will..withdraw all protection from your ego..and become totally*..without..ego-investment..in injurious/paralinguistic fear.

Your investment..is great now,..because fear.is a witness to the Separation, and your ego/rejoices..when you witness to it.
Leave it behind...Do not listen to it,..
and do not preserve it.

Listen only to God,..who/is as incapable of deception
*as are..the Souls he created...As teachers and therapists,
release*..yourselves..and release others.

Do not present..a false and unworthy picture..of
yourselves TO others,..or allow..them..to..accept such a picture OF them yourselves.

The ego has built..a shabby and un-sheltering home for you, because it *..cannot build..otherwise..Do not try to make this impoverished house stand...ITS weakness..*IS your..soul/sole-strength.

Only God could make a home..that was worthy..of His beloved and beholden-Creations, who have/chosen..to leave it empty..by their own dispossession...abandonment-fears.

His Home will stand forever,..and
is ready..for you when you choose to enter.

Of this..you can be wholly certain.

God is..as incapable of creating..the perishable
as your ego is..of making the eternal.

Of your egos you can do nothing..to save yourselves or others.
But of your Souls you..can do everything..for the salvation of both.

Humility..is a lesson for the ego,..not for the/Soul.

The Soul is beyond humility,..because it recognizes its
radiance,..and gladly sheds its..light everywhere.

The meek..shall inherit the earth..because
their egos are humble,..and this gives them..better perception.

The Kingdom of Heaven..is the right..home..of the Soul,
whose beauty and...dignity are beyond doubt,.;beyond perception,
and stand forever..as the mark of the love..*of God for His Creations,..who are wholly-worthy..of Him..and ONLY of Him.

Nothing else..is sufficiently worthy..to be
a gift..for a creation..of God Himself.

I will..substitute..for your
ego if..you will,..but NEVER.for your Soul.
Posted by one under god, Friday, 8 November 2013 11:18:14 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
A father can safely..leave a child with an elder brother who has shown himself responsible,..but this involves/no confusion about the child’s origin.

The brother can protect the child’s body and his/ego,.which are very closely associated,..but he does not confuse HIMSELF..with the father
because he does this,..[although the child may].

The reason why..I can be entrusted with YOUR
body..and YOUR egos is simply/because this enables
YOU..to not to be overly concerned with them,..and for ME to teach you their/un-importance...I could not understand..their importance to YOU..if I had not once been tempted..to believe them myself.

Let us undertake..to learn this lesson together,
so we can/also..be free of them..together.

I need devoted teachers..as much as I need devoted priestesses.
They both..sweek ways..to heal the/mind,..and that is always..my own aim.

The Soul..is far beyond the need..of your protection..OR mine.
The Biblical quotation..should read..“In this world..you need NOT have*.tribulation.BECAUSE I have overcome..illusions..of the world.”

THAT is why..you should..“be..of good cheer.”

B’s course..was very carefully chosen,..because
“abnormal psychology”..IS ego/centric psychology.
This is precisely..the kind of content..which should
never be taught FROM*..the ego whose abnormality..should be lessened by true-teaching,..not increased...bythat false.

You,..Bill, are..particularly well suited.to perceive this difference,..and can therefore,,to teach this course as/it should be taught...Most teachers have..an unfortunate tendency to teach the COURSE*abnormally,..and many of the students..are apt to suffer considerable perceptual distortion..because of their own authority problem...miss-perceptions.

Your teaching assignment..(and I assure you..it IS an
assignment)..will be to present..perceptual distortion..* without either engaging..in them yourself,..*or encouraging your*..students to do so.

This interpretation..of your role..and theirs is
too charitable to induce/fear..If you adhere..to this role,
you will..both engender..and experience hope,..and you/will inspire rather..than dispirit..the future teachers..and therapists I am entrusting to you.

I promise to attend myself,..and you..should
at least credit..with me with some/dependability in keeping my own promises.

I never make them lightly,..because I know
the need..for..my brothers have for trust...to know truth's qualities..for sure...as my motives..remain..pure/true...of good grace and mercyful.
Posted by one under god, Friday, 8 November 2013 4:53:58 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Bill has asked lately...how the mind..could ever..have made the ego.

This is..a perfectly..reasonable question;..in fact,..the best question either of you could ask...There is no point..in giving an historical answer,..because the past does not matter..in human terms, and..history would not exist..if the..*same errors..were not being repeated*.in the present.

B. has..often..told you that..your thinking is too
abstract at times,..and he is right.

Abstraction..DOES apply..to knowledge,..because knowledge..is completely impersonal,..and examples..are irrelevant..to its understanding.

Perception,..however,..is always specific,..and therefore
quite concrete...Perceptual distortions..*are not abstractions...They are.merely confusions.

Each man..makes..one ego for himself,..although it is
subject..to enormous variation..because of its..instability,
and one..for everyone he perceives,..which is equally variable.

Their interaction..IS a process
which..literally alters both,..because they..
were not made*..either..BY..or..WITH..*the unalterable.

It is particularly important..to realize..that this alteration
can..and does occur..as readily/when the interaction..takes place IN THE MIND..as when..*it involves physical presence.

THINKING..about..another ego..is as effective..in changing
relative/associative perception..as is..their..physical interaction.

There could be..no better example..of the fact that the ego
is an idea,..though not*..a reality-based/[thus biased-thought.
Your..own present state..is the best concrete example..that B...could have..of how the mind..*could have made the ego.

You DO have..real knowledge..at times,..but then you throw it away
as if..it is..as like you never had it...This willfullness is so
apparent that..B. need only perceive it;to see that is DOES happen.

If it can occur that way..in the present,..why should he
be surprised..that it occurred..that same-way..in the past?

All..psychology rests on..the principle..of continuity/of behavior.
Surprise..is a reasonable-response..to the unfamiliar,..but hardly to something*..that has occurred..with such persistence.

An extreme example..is a good teaching aid,..not because it
is typical,..but because it/is clear...The more complex..the material,..the clearer..the examples should be..for teaching
purposes.

(Bill, remember that..for your own course,
and do not..avoid the dramatic...It/holds the student’s interest precisely because..it is so apparent..that it CAN be readily
perceived.)

But,..as we have said before,..all teaching devices in the
hands of good-teachers..are aimed at rendering themselves unnecessary.

I would therefore..like to use/your present state..as an example of how..the mind can work,..*provided you both fully/recognize that it need*..not work that way.

I NEVER forget this myself,..and a good teacher
shares..*his own ideas,..*which he himself believes.

Otherwise,..he cannot..*really..“profess”
them,..as we used..the term before.
Posted by one under god, Friday, 8 November 2013 5:10:16 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
New Maps of Heaven
From Spiritual Evolution
http://goldengaiadb.com/New_Maps_of_Heaven

"Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal." -Jesus in Matthew 6:19-20

Introduction
Discarnate Travellers

Coming Home

The Borderlands - Awakening

The Planes of Life

The Astral Plane - Arrival

The Astral Plane – Orientation

The Astral Plane – Common Summerland Elements

The Astral Plane – The Higher Summerlands

The Astral Planes – The Lower Summerlands

The Astral Plane – The Stony Plane

The Astral Plane – The Dark Plane

The Mental Plane – The First Heaven

The Judgment

The Second Death

The Mental Plane – The Second Heaven

The Mental Plane – The Third Heaven

The Buddhic Plane

The Christ Sphere

Human Planes Beyond the Christ Sphere

The Angelic Sphere

The Children’s Sphere

The Animal Kingdom

Hierarchy

Work

Religion

Travel

The Earth Plane

Other Planets

Reincarnation and the Purpose of Life

Earth Teachings

Footnote to History
Incarnate Observers

Coming Home

The Planes, the Bodies, and Spiritual Evolution

The Physical Plane

The Borderlands

The Astral Plane

The Mental Plane

The Mental Plane – The First Heaven

The Judgment

The Second Death

The Mental Plane - The Second Heaven

The Mental Plane - The Third Heaven

The Mental Plane - The Fourth Heaven

The Mental Plane - The Fifth Heaven

The Mental Plane - The Sixth Heaven

The Mental Plane - The Seventh Heaven

The Buddhic Plane

The Nirvanic Plane

The Monadic and Divine Planes

The Dark Plane

The Animal Kingdom

Angels and Others

Philosophy

Bibliography
http://goldengaiadb.com/Reincarnation_and_the_Purpose_of_Life
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 9 November 2013 8:36:52 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
With.*full recognition..of..the transitory-nature,..of sharing/profession..
(a recognition..which I..hope..you both..share),..

H...offers a very good teaching/example..of alternations between Soul..and ego,..with con-comitant variation..between peace and frenzy...it is/perfectly apparent..that /when she..is ego-dominated,..she DOES..NOT KNOW*..her Soul.

Her abstract-ability,..which is..perfectly genuine
and..does stem..from knowledge,..cannot..help her..because
she has turned..into the concrete..[made-real/turned to stone].... that..which she cannot handle..abstractly.

thus..by..making abstraction..concrete]..that Being
is yet incapable..of appropriate..concreteness..of perceptually,..

because her ego..is not her..natural home,..she suffers from
its intrusions,..[illusions]..but NOT..from complete..lack/of knowledge.

The result..is..a kind of...“double/vision”,..which would*
have..produced..an actual/dyplopia,..if she had not..settled for nearsightedness.

This was..an attempt..to see..the concretion..more clearly
through..the ego’s eyes,..without the..“interference”..of the longer
range.

Her virtual..lack..of astigmatism..miss-percieving..
is due/to her..real-efforts..at objectivity..and fairness.
She has not attained them,..or she would..not be nearsighted...But she/HAS tried..to be fair..with what*..she permitted/herself..to see.

Why are you surprised..that something..which..happened..in/the dim past,..when..it is..so/clearly happening..even right now?

You forget..the love..that even animals have..for their own
offspring,..and the need..*they feel..to protect them...This is because they..regard them as..part/of themselves...

No one disowns something..that..*he
regards..as..a very real/part..of himself.

Man reacts..to his ego..much as like..how
God does.to His Souls,—with love,protection,..and great-charity.

The reaction..of man..to the self..he too
has..made..is not at all surprising...In fact,..it duplicates
in many ways..the way..*he will*..one day react to..his real creations,..*which are..as timeless as/he is.

The question..is not..HOW man..
*responds..*toward his ego,..but only what..he believes..he IS.

Again,..belief..is an ego-function,..and as /long as..your origin is open..to belief at all,..you ARE regarding it*..from..an ego viewpoint.

That is why..the Bible quotes..me as saying,.."Ye believe..in God, believe also.in me.”..Belief DOES apply to me,..because I am the
teacher..professing..of the ego.

When teaching..is no longer necessary,..you will merely know God.
Belief..that there IS..another way..is the loftiest idea..of which ego-thinking is capable...This is because..it contains a hint of recognition..*that the ego is NOT the self.

Helen always/had this idea,..but it merely confused her.

B.,.you were more capable..of a long-range
view,..and that is why your..eye[hind]-sight is good.
But..you were willing*..to see because you/utilized judgment..against what you saw.

This gave you..a clearer perception..than Helen’s,
but*..its also..what..cut off the cognitive level..ever more deeply.

That..is why..you believe..that
you never..had/knowledge.

Repression..HAS been..a stronger mechanism..in..your own ego/defense,..and
that is..why you find..her mind-shifts..so hard to tolerate.
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 9 November 2013 2:14:38 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Willfulness..is more..characteristic..of her,..and/that..is why..she..has less..applicable-sense
than you do...It is extremely fortunate,..temporarily,..that the/particular strengths..*you will..*both develop..and use..are precisely..those which..the other/must*..supply..now.

You..who will be..the strength of God..are quite weak,..and
you..who will/be God’s help..are clearly in need of help...What better plan..could have been devised..to/prevent..the intrusion..of the ego’s..arrogance on/the outcome?

Undermining..the foundation..of an ego’s thought-system MUST be perceived as..painful,..even though..this..is anything but true.

Babies scream..in rage..if you take away a/knife or..a scissors,
even though..they may*..well harm themselves..if you do not...The
speedup..has placed you both..in the same position.

You..are NOT by any means prepared,
and in this sense..you ARE babies...You have/no sense of real self-preservation..and are very likely..to decide that you need precisely/what..would hurt you most.

Whether you know it..now or not,..however,..you both HAVE
willed to cooperate..in a concerted..and very commendable/effort to become both harm*LESS..and help*FULL,..*two attributes which MUST go together.

Your attitudes,..even toward this,*..are necessarily
conflicted,..because ALL attitudes..are ego-based.
This will not last.

Be patient awhile,..and remember..what we have said
once before;..the outcome..*is as certain..as God!

Helen..used to perceive..the quotation..“To him that hath
shall be given”..as a paradox..that bordered on the ironic.

She also..had a similar reaction..to another related one:
“Faith..is the gift of God.”..We have reinterpreted..both of these
statements before,..but perhaps we can make them..even clearer now.

Only those..who have a real..and lasting sense..
of abundance..can be truly charitable...This is quite obvious when you consider..the concepts involved.

To be able to give..*anything implies..that you can do without it. Even if..you associate..giving with sacrifice,..you still give only because..you believe you are..somehow getting something better..so
that you can do..without the thing you give.

“Giving to get”..is an inescapable law..of the ego,
which ALWAYS..evaluates itself in..*relation to others’..egos,..and is therefore..continually..*pre*occupied..with the scarcity principle
which..gave rise to it.

This IS/the meaning of Freud’s..“pleasure principle.”
Freud was the..most accurate..“ego psychologist”.we ever had, although..he would not..have preferred..this description of..himself.

His ego..was a very weak..and deprived concept,..which could
function..ONLY as a thing..in need...The..“reality principle”..of the ego is not real..at all...It is forced..to perceive the..“reality”
of other egos,..because it CANNOT*..establish the reality of itself.

In fact,..its..whole perception/of..other egos..AS real
is..ONLY..an attempt..to convince..*itself..that..*IT..is real.

i..am that..i am.
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 9 November 2013 2:33:30 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
"Self esteem,”..in ego terms,..means nothing more..than that the ego has..deluded itself..into accepting its reality..and is therefore temporarily..less predatory.

This..“self esteem”..is/always vulnerable to stress,..a term which really means that..a condition has arisen..in/which the delusion of reality..of the ego..is threatened...This produces either..ego-deflation..or ego-inflation,..resulting in either withdrawal*..or attack.

The ego literally*..lives by/comparisons..This means that equality is beyond its.. grasp,..and charity becomes impossible.

The ego..NEVER gives out-of abundance,..because
it was made..as a substitute..for it...This is why..the concept of GETTING..arose in the ego’s thought-system...All appetites are..“getting”/mechanisms..representing ego-needs..to confirm itself.

This is..as true..of bodily/appetites..as it is
of the..so-called..“higher”..ego needs..[drives].

Bodily appetites..are NOT physical/in origin,..because the ego regards the body*..as its home,,,and DOES try..only..to satisfy itself
through the body.

But the IDEA..that this is possible..is a decision of the ego,
which is*..completely confused..about what is..really possible./true/good.

This accounts..for its..essential..erratic-ness...Consider..the inevitable confusion..which MUST arise from..a perception of the self
which responds:..When..I was completely..on my own I..“had no idea what was possible.”

The ego..DOES believe it..is completely..on its own,
which is merely..another way of/describing..how it originated.

This is such..a fearful state..that it can only turn/to other egos,
and unite..*with them..in a feeble attempt..at identification,*..or attack them..in an equally/feeble show..of strength...[fear avoidence]

The ego..is free to complete..the stem:..“When I was completely
on my own”..in any way..*it chooses,..but it is NOT free..to consider the validity..of the/premise itself,..because this premise..*is its FOUNDATION.

The ego..IS the belief..of the
mind..that it is completely*..on its own.
The ego’s ceaseless attempts/to gain..the Soul’s acknowledgement..
and..thus establish..ego-tism..of..its own self-existence..are utterly useless.

The Soul in its knowledge..is unaware of the ego...It
does NOT attack the ego...It merely cannot conceive..of it at all.
While the ego is equally..unaware of the Soul.. it DOES perceive itself..as rejected..by something which is greater/than itself.

This is way..self-esteem..in ego terms
MUST be..with-held..as a delusion...The creations..of God do/not create myths,..but..the creative-efforts..of man..can turn to
mythology,..but only..under one condition.

What..man then makes..is no longer creative.
Myths..are entirely perceptions..and are so ambivalent..in form,
and so characteristically/good..and..evil in nature..that the most benevolent..of them..is not..without fearful/components,/if..only in innuendo.

Myths..and magic.are closely/associated,..in that..myths are usually
related..to..the ego*origins,..and magic..to the..powers..which the ego ascribes..to itself.

Every..mythological-system...includes..an account..of..“the creation,”..and..associates..this..with its*/particular..perception..of magic.
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 9 November 2013 2:54:37 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
The “battle of for survival”..is nothing more than the ego’s struggle to preserve..itself..and its interpretation..of its own beginning. This beginning is always associated with/physical birth, because nobody maintains that the ego existed before that point in time.

The religiously ego-oriented..tend to believe that the Soul existed before,..and will continue..to exist afterward, after a temporary lapse into ego-life.

Some actually believe that the/Soul will be punished for this lapse, even though in reality it could not possibly know..anything about it.

The term “salvation”..does NOT apply to the Soul,.which is not in danger..and does..not need to be salvaged...Salvation is nothing more that..“right-mindedness”..which is/NOT..the one-mindedness of the Soul,..but which must be accomplished..before onemindedness..can be restored.

Right-mindedness dictates..the next step automatically,.because right perception..is uniformly without attack,..so that wrong-mindedness is
obliterated...The ego cannot survive without judgment,.and is laid aside accordingly.

The..mind then has..now..only ONE direction in which it can move.
The directions which the mind..will take are always automatic, because they cannot/BUT.be dictated by the thought-system to which it adheres.

Every thought-system has/INTERNAL consistency,..
and this does provide..a basis for the continuity of behavior.
However,..this is still reliability..and NOT,,any indication..of validity.

Reliable behavior..is a meaningful/usefull/functioning
perception,..as far as ego..thinking goes.]..However, VALID behavior is an expression which/is inherently contradictory,..because validity is*..an END,..and behavior is a means.

These..cannot be combined logically,..because when an end
has been attained,..the means for its..attainment are no longer meaningful.

Test constructors/recognize..that there are different kinds of validity,..and also that..they are of different orders...of progression/process..sequential..evolution.

That This..focus/limiting..of means..indicates..that they*..do/not..mean true/truth..and do not..pretend..to mean it.

Test validity can be judged..by logic,..by theory,..and
by practice,..each..being regarded as..a different dimension.

In each case,...the amount of confidence..is/expressed in some form of percentage,..either quantitatively,..or merely in terms of..“high,”
moderate,..and low...probability/eventuality..

But a hypothesis..is tested..as either true or false,..to be accepted or/rejected accordingly...If it is shown..to be true..it becomes a fact,..after which no one..attempts to evaluate..it unless its status AS fact is questioned.

and..the unthinking mind ..refuses to
re*think..yet continues..its miss-creation.[..its..own-ideas]

EVERY idea..which the ego has accorded..the status of fact is questionable,..because..facts..are in the realm of knowledge...not ideas.
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 10 November 2013 6:54:25 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
pg108
http://miraclevision.com/acim/urtext/acim-urtext-2003-upe-ready-edition.pdf

EVERY idea..which the ego has accorded..the status of fact..is questionable,..because..facts..are in the realm of knowledge...and ideas mere concepts of mind..[thus subject..to ego based..miss-creation]

Confusing realms..of..mind to mind/discourse is a thinking error
which philosophers..have recognized for centuries...Psychologists are generally quite/deficient..in this respect,..as are many theologians.

all input Data..from one realm..of..process of..mind discourse..do
not mean..anything..in another,.mind-set..because*..they can be understood..only WITHIN*..the thought-system/language's..of which they are..a part.

sight/smell/sound/taste..sense..is good or bad
only with-in..the realm of the sense..its percieved by.

This is why psychologists..are concentrating increasingly
on the ego,..in an attempt to unify..their clearly unrelated data...into specific..*individual preference

It need hardly be said that
any attempt..to relate the un-related,,[un-relatable]..cannot succeed.

The recent..ecological/evolving/science..emphasis..is but..a more ingenious-way..of trying..to impose/order..on chaos...after-all..We have already..credited..the ego with..considerable ingenuity,..*though
not..with creativeness.

But it should/always be remembered..that inventiveness.is really
wasted effort,..even in its..most ingenious forms...We do/not..(have to EXPLAIN..anything.

This is why..we need not/trouble..ourselves..with inventiveness. The highly/specific nature..of invention..is not worthy..of the abstract creativity..of God’s Creations...seeking to further...miss-create.

Dec.27,/1965
When H...reads this..to you,..Bill,
do..try to listen..very carefully.[visualise the words]

You..have never..completely..understood
what..“The Kingdom..of Heaven..*is..within you”..means.

The reason..you cannot understand/it..is because it is NOT understandable..to the ego,..which interprets it..*as if something
outside..is inside,..which does/not..logicly..mean anything...to it.

to..your ego..The word..“within”..does not belong.
ergo..as..your ego..lies within..The Kingdom..of Heaven IS you.

What else...BUT you
did..the Creator create,
and what else..but you..IS His Kingdom?
This is..the whole message..of the Atonement,..a message
which in/its totality..transcends..the sum of its parts..which we have covered before.

Christmas..is not a time;..*it is..a state of-mind.
The Christ Mind..wills from..the Soul,..not from the Ego,
and..the Christ Mind...IS yours...as soon as you will it right-mindedly.
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 10 November 2013 10:19:12 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
You, too, have a Kingdom..which your Soul has created.
It has not ceased to create..because your ego has set you
on the road of perception...Your Soul’s creations..are no/more fatherless..than you are.

Your ego and your Soul..*will never be co-creators, but your
Soul..and YOUR Creator will ALWAYS be...*Be confident that your creations are as safe as..you are.

The Kingdom is perfectly united and perfectly protected,
and the ego..will not/prevail against it...

Amen.

That was written..in that form because..it is a good thing
to use..as a kind of prayer in..moments of temptation...It is a declaration..of independence.[via inter-dependance]

You will..both find..it very
helpful..if you understand it fully.
In its..characteristic upside-down way,
the ego..has taken..the impulses from the/super
[cloud-mind heart conscious..and perceives them..as if they..*arise in the unconscious.

The ego judges..what is..to be accepted,..and the sensual-impulses
from..the super-conscious..are unacceptable to it,..because they clearly point to..the un-existence..of the ego itself.

The ego therefore..experiences threat,..and not
only..censors..but also reinterprets..the data.arriving thus at fraud [baseless-fatherless fact..*However,..as Freud very correctly pointed out..what you do*not perceive..you still know,..and it can..retain a very active life..BEYOND your..conscious-awareness.

Repression thus operates..to conceal.not only the baser impulses, but also the most/lofty ones..from the ego’s awareness,..because BOTH are threatening..to the ego

and,.being concerned..primarily with its preservation..
in the face..of threat,..it perceives them..as..the same.

The threat value..of the lofty..is really much/greater to the ego, because the pull..of God Himself..can hardly be equated..with the pull..of human appetites..and..their reason..for being..[meeting the measure of needs..of ego.][above that..of the flesh..yet subservient under..that of spirit/heart-mind.]

By perceiving..them as the same,..the ego attempts..to
save itself..from being swept-away,.as it would..surely be..in the presence of knowledge.
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 10 November 2013 10:37:57 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
The upper level of the..unconscious..thus contains the call
of God..*as well as..the call of the body...That is why..the
basic conflict..between love and fear..is unconscious.

The ego..cannot tolerate either
and..represses both..by resorting to inhibition...inactivity/mindfullness..timidity

Society depends..on inhibiting the former,[god] but
SALVATION depends..on disinhibiting the latter.[self]..

The reason you need my help..is because you have..repressed
inhibited..your own guide,..and..therefore need..a sure-guidance.

My role is..to separate the true..from the false..*in your own
unconscious,..so it can break through..the barriers the ego has set up..and shine into your/minds...like a gentle cooling/mist..gently [but briefly]..wetting the parched desert...before the next hellish day.

Against..our united strength,..the ego CANNOT prevail.

It should be quite apparent..to you by now..
why the ego..regards..the Soul as its..“enemy.”..[The ego arose from the Separation,..and its continued/existence depends on/your continuing belief*..in the Separation.

but..by..Reducing the Soul impulses..to the unconscious,
the ego..has to offer you some sort of reward..for maintaining this belief...yet..All it CAN offer..is a sense*..of temporary existence, which begins..with its own beginning..and ends with its*own ending.

It tells you that this life..is YOUR
existence..because it IS..its own.

Against this sense of temporary existence,..the Soul offers
the knowledge..of..permanence..*and unshakeable BEING...No one who has experienced..*the revelation of..this can ever fully believe in the ego again.

How can its meager offering..to you prevail
against.the glorious gift of God?

You who identify with your egos..
cannot believe that God loves you. YOU do not
love what you have made,..and what you have made does not love you.

Being made out/of the denial of the Father,
the ego has no allegiance..to its own Maker...You cannot
conceive of the real relationship..that exists between God and His Souls,..because of the/hatred..you have for the Self..*you have made.

You project..onto your own idea..of yourself..the will
to separate,..which conflicts..with the love you..also feel for what you have made/because you made it.

No human love is..without this ambivalence,..and since no ego
has experienced love..*WITHOUT ambivalence,..the concept is beyond its understanding.

Love will enter..immediately into any mind
which truly wants it,..but it MUST validate..the want of it..truly...[by giving it]..[try trying it]
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 10 November 2013 12:51:44 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
but..it..MUST want..love..
truly...[true..eternal-love]

This means..that..mind..wants it..WITHOUT*ambivalence,..and..this
kind of..envisioning/focused wanting..is wholly..without the..ego’s..“drive..to get*.”

There is..a kind of..desired-*experience..that is..so different..from anything..the ego..can offer that..you will never..re-cover..[cover over]..*it.

The word..cover..[rather than covert]..is used quite..literally here, —you will..*never be able/to..hide..from healing/graceful..useful-living loving..again.

It is necessary..to repeat..that your belief..in darkness
and..in hiding..[covering rather than..dis-covering]..IS why the
light..cannot enter.

The Bible..has many references to the..immeasurable gifts
which are for you,..*but for..which..*YOU must ask...[by works]..

This is not..*the condition..[as the ego sets conditions]
It is*..[with/in]..the glorious..condition of what you already..*ARE.[always was../always will be.]

No force..except your*..own will..is strong enough or worthy
enough..to guide you...*In this..you are as..free.as God,..and must remain so forever*.

You can never*..be bound..[except in honor]..,
and..that is..always..only valid..as a fre-choice[voluntary.]

Let us ask..the Father..in my name..to keep you..mindful
of His love..*for you and..*yours for Him...*He has..*never failed to answer..this request,..because*.it asks only*..for what..He has already willed.

actively/passionately..willed

Those who call..truly..are ALWAYS answered...[truly*]

Note:..HS became very fearful here,..and rather vaguely
thought the answer was:..“Thou shalt have..no other Gods
before me,..because..there ARE none...You still..think there/are.”

*It has never really entered..your minds to give up
every idea..you have ever had that..OPPOSES true-knowledge.

You retain thousands of little scraps..of meanness to..meaningless..[to any but the ego/of self]..which prevent*
the Holy One..from wholly entering...within..the fortress of self.[ergo/ego]

Light cannot penetrate..through the walls..you make to block
it,..and ego..is forever UN-willing..to destroy what you have made.

No one can see..THROUGH
a wall,..but I..can step around it.

Watch your minds..for the scraps of meanness,
or..you will be unable to ask me to do/so.

I can help you..only as our Father Created us.
I will love you..and honor you and..maintain complete respect*..for what you have made...*But I will..*neither love..nor honor it*unless it is true.

I will..never forsake you,..any more than God will.
But I MUST..wait as/long as you will..to forsake yourselves.
Because I wait in love..and not in impatience,..you will surely ask me truly.

I will/come gladly..in response to..a single un*equivocal call.

Watch carefully,..and see what it is
you are truly asking for.

Be very honest with yourselves about this,
for you..we must hide...nothing..of our minds comforters..from each other.
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 10 November 2013 1:19:28 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
If..you...will REALLY try to do..this you..have taken the first step toward preparing your..conscious-minds..for the Holy One..to enter.

We will..prepare,..for this together,..and once..He has
come,.you will..be ready to..help...make..other minds..ready for Him.

How long..will you
deny Him..His Kingdom?

Ye know..Him not!

One day,..when the Spirit..stands with-in the veil
which shrouds..the spirit world..from mortal gaze,..you shall wonder at your ignorance..of Him..[with and in ALL*]..whom you have so foolishly imagined!..inthe false image of man

He is..far other than..you..have pictured Him.

Jan.7,1966.[by jesus]

In your own unconscious,..deeply repressed..by the ego,
is the declaration..of your..timely release.

GOD HAS GIVEN YOU EVERYTHING.

This is..the one..true-fact
which..MEANS that the..ego..does not exist,[as a matter of true fact]..which therefore..makes/it..profoundly afraid...and fear rejects any..truth*

In..the ego’s language,..to have..[]..*and to be..are
different,..*but they are..identified..to the Soul.

It knows..that you..[both...HAVE..
everything..and ARE..everything.

Any distinction..in this respect..is meaningful only
when..the idea of getting,..which implies a lack,..has already BEEN accepted.

That is why..we made..no distinction before..between
having..the Kingdom of God..and BEING the..Kingdom of God.

The calm being..of God’s Kingdom,..which in your sane-mind is perfectly conscious,..is ruthlessly banished..from the part of the mind..which the ego rules.

The ego..is desperate..because it..directly..opposes
literally invincible odds..whether you are asleep..or awake...Consider
how much vigilance..you have been willing..to expect exert to protect your ego,..and how..little you/have been..willing to exert..to protect your higher mind.

Who but..the insane..would undertake..to believe
as if true..what..which..is not perpetually true,..and
then ..activly..seek to..protect this..miss-belief..at the cost of..Truth?

If you cannot..hear the voice of God,
it is because..you do not..*choose..to listen...

The/fact..that you DO listen..*to the voice..*of your.ego..is demonstrated..by your...injurious ego-materialized attitudes,..your-feelings,..and your behavior.

Your..fear modified attitudes..are obviously conflicted;..your feelings..have a/narrow range..and always..on the negative side,..

but think..why..they are never..purely joyous;..your behavior is
either strained..or unpredictable.

Yet this IS..what you..want.[[what your ego/feels you need
not the good eternal/infinite/living/loving logical/truths..god intended.
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 10 November 2013 5:12:39 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
This..conspicuous/conscious/deliberated AVOIDANCE..
of GODS PURE UN-ADULTERATED LOVE*..is what you are fighting..

dumping the good eternal true..to keep,..that hurtfull

and..what you are vigilant..to save...is all..of the negative miscreation..Your minds..are filled with schemes..to save the
face of..your egos,..and you do not seek..the Face of God.

The glass..in which the ego..seeks to see..its face is dark indeed. How can..it maintain..the trick of its existence..except with mirrors?

But where..you look to find..yourself..is up/to you...We have said that..you cannot..but..change..your mind..but..by seeking..the changing..of your behavior,[to..other god and self]..but/we have also said,..and many times before,..that you can change..simply..your mind.

Were..He such/as..you have pictured Him,
were He..such as..your-ego...think,..He would avenge
on presumptuous..man the insults..which he puts on his Creator.

*But He is..other,..and as reflected..inthe nature[nay nurture[]..of other..far other..than that love..that..by man’s poor grovelling mind can grasp,

and yet.,..him of..perfected eternal/true/love..He pities..and forgives..the ignorance..of the blind mortal..who paints Him..willfully..[wrongly]..after a self-imagined pattern.

We would speak..of the true perception*..of God...Not as a personal being,..human..in His attributes..save Omnipotence;..not as a glorified humanity;..but as..*the..All-Pervading..aether [energy]..of his living Spirit permeating..the dusts of universe...into perfect..life.

Man..is now ready..to receive..a more enlarged-conception of God...We present..to you a Deity..Whose good-Name,..as revealed in god-Love.

eternal..infinite..omni-present Love,..confined within no limits.

God..is no Person...He is enthroned..in EVERY* place,
HE*..is all-pervading,..ever-existing:..ever mind/fully-guiding and loving..*all.[yeshallknow him..by his sure sign..LIFE*

sustained..of the light..that...via
logic light/love..life realize..*all-good=god

On..the God..Within

We propound..to man..there can/be..no saviour outside himself.

Within the..spirit-body..off all-life..dwells
the pervading essence..of Deity*

[that we do..to the least..we did to him*]

When your mood tells you..that you have willed wrongly,..and this is so whenever..you are not joyous,..then KNOW this need not be.

In every case..you have thought wrongly..about some Soul that God created,..and are..perceiving..FAULSE*..images your ego makes in a darkened glass.

Think..honestly..what you have..thought..*
that God..*would NOT have thought,..and what..you..
have not..thought..[that God..would have..you to think...more about.

others*

Search...sincerely..for what..*you have done..for anyone*
[and left undone..accordingly.]..And then..change your minds..to THINK..WITH GOD’S...HEART*..

THINK/FIRST/LAST..WITH..HIS LOVE*
let..love guide*you..you*cannot fail..just..*be the love*
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 10 November 2013 5:20:03 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
fear not..for the cause..of God’s good proof..
the re-proof..of gods truth.

God..is giving..unto all his beloved..he
alone sustains..to live..far more..than you think.

In all parts..are springing up..centers..from which truth
of God's goodness..is being poured..into longing hearts,..by works and by words..and some..is even..permeating into open-thinking minds.

There must-be many..to whom the gospel..of old is satisfying yet,
and who..yet..are not receptive..of further truth...With these we meddle..not.

But many.there are..who have learned..what the past can teach,
and who/are thirsting..for further knowledge...To these..it is given in such/measure..as/when..the Most High sees fit...And from them..it flows..into others,..and the glorious-tidings..spread

until..the day comes..when we shall..*be called on
to proclaim them..[by works]..even as..from the mountain top!..and lo! God’s.hidden ones..shall start up..one by one..from the lowly places..of the earth..to bear witness*.to that/which..*they have seen and known*:

and the little rills..that man has heeded..not shall coalesce,
and the river..of God’s good-truth,..omnipotent/all encompassing..in its retrospective/good-energy,..shall flood.the earth,..and sweep away..in its..irresistible course..the ignorance..and unbelief..and folly..and sin..which now dismay..and perplex you.

Cast your eyes..beyond..the present...or see it
as it will be..[even now].. Look to..the far future,..and be of good courage..but why wait..why-not begin..now..[love is all you..heed][end need]

This..may seem hard to you,..but it is
MUCH easier..than trying to think..AGAINST it's all emcompasing healing.

Your GOOD_mind..IS one with God’s goods.
Denying this..and thinking otherwise..has held your ego..in baseless fears..miss-creating..the..egos..most fearful illusions..[why keep the ego alone*..[be all-one]

infinite ego's..acting of gods good loves deaerved/earned/learened goodness,.acting for each-other..together/forever..together,

but ego..has literally..split your mind.

As a loving brother,..I am deeply concerned
with..your minds,..and urge you..to follow..my example
as you look..at your..other-selves..and..at..each other..and..see in you..both*.;all..the glorious-Creations..of..a glorious Father.

When you are sad,..KNOW that/this..NEED NOT BE.
indeed..is NOT WHAT GOD..WANTS FOR THEE..

Depression..ALWAYS arises..ultimately..from a
sense of being deprived..of something..you want..and do
not have...or..rather had and..miss-thought you had lost..but..now forget the cost..

Know..you are deprived..of*..nothing,..except
by*..your..own decisions,..and..thus/then ..by way of
gods good truth..are set free...to..re-decide..on it..in the other-wise...gods GOOD--way..every second..of every day*

what ya say?
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 10 November 2013 7:51:57 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
When..you/are..anxious,..KNOW*
that all anxiety..comes/from..the
capriciousness..of/the..ego,..and..tha,,it..NEEDs_NOT*BE so.

You..can be..as..vigilant AGAINST..the ego’s-dictates
as..the ego begs..FOR ever..more of/them.

When..you feel guilty,..KNOW*that..your ego has indeed
violated..the laws of God;s goods,..but..*YOU..have not...

Leave the sins..of..the ego/to me...That
is what..the Atonement..is for. [at-one-meant]

But..until you*..want..change..of..your mind..about those
your..fearful-ego..has hurt,..the Atonement..cannot release/you.

*As long as..you*feel guilty,..your ego..is*..in command,
if..only..because..only..the ego CAN..experience guilt.

THIS NEED/NOT..BE...You,*Helen,..you/have been..more honest..that B...in really trying/honestly/persistently....to see whom..your ego-based/fears..has hurt,..and..also..in trying to/change..your mind ..about them.

note..the denial..(HS/notes..''doubtful..whether this
is..accurate-written..AS..*at a time..she was..very angry.')

I-am not..un-mindful..[not/without facts]...

[helen]..i am...[mind-full]..of your efforts,...but
you still..have much..too..much energy..invested..*n your ego...THIS NEED/NOT-BE.

note..[re..hs note/re anger]..*Watch your minds..for..the/temptations..
[fear/bias/hate/lust/want/needs etc]..of the ego,..and..do*not be deceived..by*..it's begging..for attention.

KNOW it..offers..you nothing.
but..endless attention..me*me..mene*me

You,..B,.have..not/made consistent efforts..to change your
mind..except..through applying..the/same..old..*habitualised/rote/ritualized patterns..ON-to..new ideas...

But..you have learned,..and..learned it..better than H.,
(HS/note]
doubtful..about accuracy.here)

know b..that your ..mind gains*control..over ITSELF*.when you
direct-it..genuinely*..toward perceiving..someone ELSE *..truly.[non-judmentaly]..

Your lack..of vitality..is..due-to your..former
marked effort..at solving..your ego-s..needless depression...[fears/ delusional hopes/dreams illusions..and anxiety]..*through*..feigned disinterest.

Because..your ego..WAS protected..by this..unfortunate/negative attribute,..you are..afraid to..abandon it...

When..you have given-up this..voluntary*dis-spiriting,[self depression..of self/loop]..you have..already seen..how..your mind can focus,..and rise..above fatigue,..and heal.

But you..are not sufficiently/vigilant
against ..he demands..of your ego..that you*..disengage yourself.

THIS NEED NOT BE.

The..habit of engaging..WITH God..[good/merciful*truth]and His Creations..it..is easily made..[if you refuse..*actively to let
your minds slip away.

Your problem..*is not concentration:..it is*..a belief
that no*body,..including yourself,..*is WORTH..consistent effort.

Side..with me CONSISTENTLY..*against this deception,
as we..have sided..against it..briefly already.

Do not permit..this shabby/self-defeating/miss-belief..to pull you back...The disheartened are/useless to themselves..and to me,..*but only the ego..can be disheartened.

Have you.REALLY considered..how many opportunities..you have
to gladden..yourselves,..and how many..of them you have refused?
[deny..even now..why/recall fear..when..your in communion..with fearlessness?

There..is no limit..to the power of/a Sun of God,..*but..he
himself[alone]..can limit..the OUTER_expression*of..his power as much as..*he wills.

Your mind..and mine..*can unite..in shining..your ego's dark-moods away,..and releasing..the strength of..God into everything..you think and..will..and do.

*Do no settle..for ANYTHING less..than
this,..and refuse to/accept..anything..BUT..goodness..unto all..this as..*your goal.
Posted by one under god, Monday, 11 November 2013 8:14:03 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
when..BY actively..[lovingly]..you/are releasing
the strength..of..the living loving good/God..into everything..

just think..that/..*when..EVERYTHING..you think..and everything
that..you will*..and..put all,,into all that ye do....

remember*..Do no settle..for ANYTHING less..than/..this good
of gods perfect,..in process..of perfect perfection..and..CHOSE..to refuse to accept..that..anything..BUT this..living loving grace/mercy,..as your goal...as much as being..your due*

Watch your minds carefully..for any miss-beliefs..[hurtful/spiteful/judgmental/greedy/needy/seedy]..that hinder..its accomplishment,

and..further..that you step/away from them.
[knowing its fruits cannot heal..even*thier own..misscreations..of ego

ergo..Judge how well you have done this..by your own feelings,..for this is..*the/one..*RIGHT use of judgment...MISS-Judgment,[pre-judgment]..even..just*judgment..like any other defense,..can be used to attack or..protect,..ab-used..to hurt or to heal.

The ego..SHOULD be brought to*..your own non-judgment[discern-meant]..and..be..found*wanting..[ill-founded]..there.

Without..your own allegiance,..protection,
and love..of judging..it cannot exist.

Judge your ego truly,..and you MUST*..withdraw allegiance, protection,..and..ill-love..that results..from..it...You..[EACH}>.are mirrors..of truth..in which God Himself..shines..in HIS perfect loving logical living-light.

by WHICH..it dissolves ignorance/judgment..error..in-To the ego’s dark..glass..resolving the error..*[and/or..any hurtful-sin]..[you need but say,..“I will-not look there..because I KNOW..[now]..these images are not..perpetually/provably..or even..likely to-be..perfectly true.”[un-like-lie]

Then..let me..*the Holy One..shine upon you in peace,..radiate my love..from your own face]..knowing that this..good godly love,,and only this..MUST be..*His Mind..thus so..it too,,shone on you in your creation,..and brought YOUR..own loving-mind,,back..into being.

His_Mind.;still shines..on you
and MUST..*shine..*THROUGH you...even..Your ego
cannot prevent*..HIM..from shining..*onto..[upon' you,..but
*it..[ergo/ego]..CAN prevent yo.. from letting Him..shine THROUGH you.

The..first coming..of Christ..is just another name..for the
truth-Creation,..for/light-of/Christ..[within/you]..is the Sun..of God.[too]

The SECOND..coming*..of Christ..means nothing/more
than..the..*end of..the belief..*in..the mis-creations..of
judgmental-ego,..and..the healing..of/the..one good/true*supra-mind.

ego’s rule..over but..a part*..of the
minds..of men,..and the..healing/of..the mind...is best kept..in font of mind

I was created..like you..in mind/heart/ego-creations
the First*,..and..now..I am reminding you..that I..have called you..to join with me..in the Second...opinion..of mind[holdin.. high the arte..of the heart*

If you will think/over your lives,..you will see how
carefully the preparations were/made...I am..*in charge
of the Second-Coming[together]..as I have already told you,..

and..that..my..non-judgment,/which is used..only for
its..ego-protection,..cannot be wrong..*because..*it NEVER attacks.

Yours..is so distorted..that you really-believe
that..I was mistaken..in choosing..you...*I assure you
this..is a*mistake..*of your/own egos...*Do..not mistake/it..for humility.

Your egos..are trying..perpetually..by self judgment..to convince you that..THEY*are real,..and I am not,..because..*if I-AM real,..I am no more real..than YOU are.

That knowledge,..and..*I assure you..that
it..IS[good/true-knowledge,]..that*means..that Christ..*must come..*into your_minds..and heal them...

[start from..the..good/true/heart]
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 10:21:10 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
While..I am not..attacking your egos,..I AM..working with..your higher mind whether..you are asleep or awake,..(just as/your ego does with..your lower mind.)

I am your/vigilance..in this,..because you..are
too confused..to recognize..the dangers..of..your own hope.
I was not mistaken...Your minds..WILL elect..to join with mine,//and together we are..3...[god/you/me]..are..invincible.

You two..[bill/helen]..will..yet come together..
in my name..and your sanity..between each..of you..will be restored.

I raised..the dead..by KNOWING/that life..*is an eternal
attribute..of everything..that..the living..God Created.

[energy..cannot..be created..nor destroyed]

Why..do you believe that/it is harder..for me to..in-spire
the..dis-spirited..or to..stabilize..the unstable?..you know..I do not believe..that there is an/order..of difficulty in miracles:..BUT*..YOU do.

I have called..and you will answer...I know that
miracles..are natural/normal,..because..they are expressions of love.

My calling..of..you is as natural..as
sure/good/true..your answer.,..and..it is..as inevitable.

1/12/1966
ALL things can/will..work together..for good...when..There are
NO..exceptions..except..in nont-he acceptances..in the ego’s-judgment.

unbiased self Control..is a central factor.in what
the ego..*permits into consciousness,..and one..to which it devotes its maximum vigilance...*This is NOT..the way..ta balanced mind holds
hings..together...*ITS control..is unconscious...much like its fears.

The ego..is further off balance..by keeping..its primary
motivation..subsumed/under..the UN-conscious,..and..only raising control..rather than sensible/non-judgment into predominance.

It..has every reason to do/this,..according to the..same
ego-thought-system..which both..gave rise to it..and which it serves.

its..in-Sane..judgment..would inevitably..judge AGAINST it-self,..and this fear..MUST be..obliterated..by the ego..in the/interest of its self-preservation.

A crucial source..of the ego’s off-balance/state is..its
lack of..discrimination between..impulses from God..and from those..of the body.

Any thought-system..which makes real..of THIS confusion
MUST be insane...Yet this demented state..*is ESSENTIAL./to the ego, which judges..ONLY in..terms of threat..or non-threat..good..or..better..as-TO IT-SELF.

In one sense, the ego’s fear of the idea of God is at least logical, because this idea/DOES dispel it. Fear of dissolution from the higher source, then, makes SOME sense in..ego terms.

But fear..of the body,..with/which..the ego..identifies
so closely,..is more blatantly/senseless.

The body..is the ego’s home ..by its own election...It is the only identification/with which..it feels safe, because..the body’s vulnerability*..is its own best argument that..you CANNOT be of God.

THUS..This is..the miss-belief..that it sponsors eagerly...Yet the ego hates*...the body,..because it does/not accept..the idea*..that the body..is good enough..as its home..

but..then..the flesh..dies..then what..has ego/ergo..got?
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 4:09:04 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Here..is where..the mind/becomes..actually dazed.[do/not-be bedazzled]

to..accept..Being..told..by the ego..that..it is really
part of the body,..and that..the body..is its protector,..it
is also..constantly informed...that the body can NOT protect it.

This,..of course,..is not only true,..but perfectly obvious.
Therefore,..the mind asks,..“Where can I..*go..for protection?”,..to which..the ego..replies,..“Turn to me.”

The mind,..and not/without cause,,,reminds the ego..that it
has..itself insisted/that it-IS..identified with the body,..so there is no point..in turning..*to it*..for protection...The/ego...has no real answer..to this/because..there isn’t any.

But..it DOES have..a typical/solution.
It.,*obliterates..the question..*from the..mind’s awareness.[re-call] Once unconscious,..it can and..does produce uneasiness,..but it cannot..be answered..*because..it cannot..*be asked.

This..is the question/which..MUST be asked:
“Where..am I/to..go for protection?”[Only/an insane mind..FAILS to ask it.]..Even the insane..ask it unconsciously,..but it requires real
sanity..presence/of mind..to ask it..consciously.

If you .will remember..your dream..about the recorder,..which was remarkably..accurate/in some ways..because it came*.partly from ego-repressed/knowledge,..the real problem/was correctly..stated as “What..is the question?”...because, as you very well/knew,..the
answer COULD..only,..be found..if the question's..were recognized.

If you remember,..there were/a..number of solutions..you
attempted,..[all ego-based,]..not..because you thought..they would
really work,..*but..merely..because the question*ITSELF..was obscure.

When..the Bible..says..“Seek..and ye..shall find,” it does*NOT
mean..that you should...seek blindly..and desperately..*for something you.wouldn’t recognize...*Meaningful seeking..is consciously /undertaken,..*consciously-organized,..and consciously directed.

B’s..chief..contribution/to..your joint venture is..his insistence that..the goal*..*be formulated clearly,..and KEPT..IN the noon-abstracted-MIND.

You,..Helen,..are not..good..at doing/this...You still
search for..many gods..simultaneously,..and this goal*confusion, when..given..a strong will,..MUST produce..chaotic behavior.[miss-creations]

B’s..*behavior..is not chaotic,..because he..is not
so much..goal-divided..as not..goal-ORIENTED...Where..Helen has over*invested..in many goals,..B has..under-invested..in ALL goals.

He has...the_advantage..of..*POTENTIALLY greater..freedom
from..distract-ibility,..but he/does..not care*enough to use it.

Helen has..the advantage of..great effort,..but
she keeps..losing sight of..the unfocused/il-determinate..end-goal.

B..has very intelligently/suggested..that you both..should
set yourself..the goal of really*...studying.for this course. T..here can be..no doubt..of the..wisdom..of this decision,.for any student who..wants to..pass it[s revelations.

But,..knowing..of your individual..weaknesses..as learners and
being..a teacher...with some experience, I must remind you..that learning*..[earning]..and wanting to*..learn..are inseparable.

All learners..learn best..*when they believe..that
what.they are..trying to learn..is of value/to them...But
values..in this world..are hierarchical,..and not/everything..you may WANT to/learn..has lasting value...[some/must-be earned]

Indeed,..many of/the..things you..want to learn..are chosen
because..their value..will not/last.[but this too/must be learned]
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 4:52:12 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
”My-twister,..I am..often..with you..when/you realize..it.not.

For me..a poet's-soul..is.a well..of water..in
whose depths..I can see-my..own-self/needs..reflected.

I live..in.a clamor..of..living/de-light..and/emotive-colour,
which..you mortal_poets..vainly..try to..repress/express..into..the magic..of words.

Yes..I am*..IS,,in the/sunset..and..en-lightens..the..star;
I watched..the-moon..grow old..and..you grow..into..young.[sun]

In childhood..you-sought..for/me..even..in..the swiftly/moving cloud;..in maturity..you-fancied..you had..even..caught me..in the gleam of..a lover’s/eye;..but..such/that..i am..

I am..the eluder..of men...the
comforting..dis-illusioner..for..them.

I beckon..thy soul..and..I fly..through
thy mind..and..i lie,in..the heart..though..i live...in/the good works..of all..[ofthem]

feel *..the..touch..of my feet..yet..does/not
press..down..the heads..of..the blossoming-daisies.

You can find me..and..then..with-a..simple-change..of mind..lose me again,...for neither/mortal..work..nor/thought..nor/word..cannot hold me.
I am..is..nearest*..to those..who seek..beauty—good/truth..whether in-thought..or/in..form;[yet..not-in..reproof]..I fly..from those..who seek-to..imprison me...within..the insane.

You...can come..each/moment..to the region's..where I dwell.
Sometimes..you will..meet me,in*other..sometimes not..that depends on..what is..remembered..[be-got]..and what..was fore-got.

for...my will is..the/wind’s..will,.as.one/mind repels..the/other attracts..[retracts]..and..

I answer..no beckoning-finger:..But..when I
beckon,..the souls...come flying..from..the/four-corners..of heaven.

[i..tried it once..and..space/time
col-lapsed..i left..the/big-bang..was..the result[when..i..left]

Your..soul..welcomes/flying,..too;..for you..are one
I.have called..by t/he..dis-spell..of my ego-tragic.

I have..in-finite..use..for-you..as..you
being..you..have meaning..for..the i am..even..in me;
I like.to see..your soul..even..in its hours..of dream..and ecstasy.

Whenever..any-one..[+]..who..is/not..my own]..

when anyone..dreams..a dream..of Paradise,..the light..grows*brighter..in them...by me,..to whom/all..things..are revealed..in my..light.[de-light]

Oh,.forget/not...the_charm of..the moment...of gods/good,
forget-not..the lure..of..the mood!..[that attracts..others..of the same-passions..unto/into..thee.]

For..the mood..you radiate..is wiser..than all/the magi..of earth, and..that/sages..the treasures..of..the..LIVE-time..living..moment..are richer..and rarer..than..the hoarded/wealth..of..the..ages.

ONLY..This moment*..is real,..while the..age/of-rage..is only a delusion,,,but..a..false-memory,..and..but..a shadow..of what could/never*..have been.

Be*sure...that..*each-moment..is all..the best..it can be..,
and..that..IN*..this..*live-time/living*eternal..moment..the moment..is more than..just free..from time.

Time carries..an hour-glass,..and his..step is slow;
his hair..is white..with..the rime of years..of tears and fears,

and..his scythe..is dull..with..unwearied..mowing;..reaping in...the ill-harvests..so many..were miss-sowing..[the miss-creating/rating]

Bu..he never yet..has caught..the moment..of now,..in its flight.
like the..calm-eye..of a cyclone..the calm..now watches forward and behind..watches from..the calmness..the restlessness of past/present..

EVEN/NOW..left far behind

calm..draws..all-ways near..now
not..by future*fear..nor..long past*tear

He,,in..the..living/loving-moment..has grown
as*..was sown..in casting/nets..in..for harvesting..of it.

Ah,..the magic..of-life..and..of..the
endless/combination..of living-things!..each a clue..of my gift to..ALL.of you..[all _of me..see]

there is..love..and Love,...and..the love...OHH..life..
of..the light..[de-light]..for..its radiance..is the-love..of souls for..each other...in..which..we..sow de-light

There is*..no death..where..the/inner..light shines,
irradiating..the fields..of..life..the loving..even..of..the living..within—you

the beyond—the..unattainable attainment.
You know..where..to find-me.”..(Judge David P. Hatch, LLDM, Letter XXXVIII.)
http://www.angelfire.com/space2/light11/nmh/earth1.html#influence

ok..back..to..jesus?..page..115
http://miraclevision.com/acim/urtext/acim-urtext-2003-upe-ready-edition.pdf
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 13 November 2013 8:10:09 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
The ego..of mind..thinks..it is/an..advantage..not to
commit..itself to anything..that is eternal,..because the eternal MUST*..come from God.

Eternalness..is the one/function..that the ego..has
tried..to develop,..but..has systematically/failed..It may surprise you..to learn..that had the ego..*willed..to do so,*it COULD/have made
the..eternal,..because,..as a product/of..the mind..*it IS..endowed with..the power.*of its..own/creator.

*But..the DECISION..to do this,..*rather than..the ABILITY
to do it..is what..the ego..cannot tolerate...That is because..the decision,..*from which..the ability would naturally/develop,..*would necessarily*..involve true perception,..[a state..of clarity]..which the ego,*fearful..of being judged..thus..truly,..MUST avoid.

The results..of this dilemma..are peculiar,..but
no more so..than..the dilemma.itself...

The/ego..has reacted characteristically here..as elsewhere,..because..a compart-mental illness,..which is...ALWAYS..a form of*..ego-involvement,..is not a problem of reliability..as much as of validity.

The ego compromises..with the issue..of the eternal,.just as
it does..com-promise..with all issues that/touch on..the real question..in ANY way...conflicting..their imp-licite reply

By compromising..in connection/with..all...TANGENTIAL questions,
the ego..hopes to hide..the REAL question..and keep it.OUT OF conscious-MIND.

Its characteristic..“business”..[pre-occupation].
with non-essentials..is..precisely for..that avoidance-purpose.

watch..the redirection/egsample]

EGO/says..Consider..the alchemist’s..age-old attempts
to turn..base metal..into gold...(This typo/was..originally..“god”).

but even..by harvesting the error early...
gold..was revealed..as/even..including god..[good]
if gold was goof..who..would want it?

The..one question..which..even..the alchemist..did not permit
himself..to..ask was..“What For?”..He COULD-not..ask this,..because it would immediately..become/apparent..that there was no sense.in his efforts,..even..if he succeeded.[are real-diamonds..the same value;..as fake?]

is gold..better than god?


The ego..has..also/countenanced..some strange..compromises..with
the idea..of the eternal,..making odd attempts/to relate..the concept to..the unimportant..in an effort/to satisfy..(still]..the mind without..jeopardizing//ego..[itself].

Thus,..egi..has permitted many..good minds/to devote
themselves..to perpetual E-MOTION,..but NOT..to perpetual THOUGHTS.

Ideal additional preoccupations..with..emotive..sub-sets..of conceptual problems..set up..to be..incapable of solution..are another favorite ego device..for impeding..the strong-willed from real progress in..emotive-learning.

The problems..of squaring the circle,..and of
carrying pi..to infinity..are good examples.

A more..recent ego-attempt..is particularly/noteworthy.

The idea..of preserving the body/by suspension,..thus giving it
the kind..of limited immortality..which the ego can tolerate,..is among..its more recent..*appeals to the ego-mind.

It is noticeable..that in/all..these diversionary tactics,..the ONE question..which is/NEVER asked..by those..who pursue them..is “What for?”[for..what good?][which god]

This is..the question..which YOU*must...learn..REMEMBER*..to ask in connection..with everything *..your mind wills..your flesh/body..to undertake.

What is..your purpose?
Whatever..it is,..you cannot doubt/that..
if.it will..that will..channelize your efforts-automatically.

When..you make*..a decision..of purposed-creation,..only then,
you HAVE made a decision..about..A future effort,..a decision which will remain..in effect..until/UNLESS..you change the..DECISION.

there is order..even..in/the forgotten order.
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 13 November 2013 8:47:10 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Psychologists..[and..in..this-day/age..who..isnt;)..are in a good position..to realize..that the ego..[id/of-self]..is capable of making*..and..destroying..rejecting..or..accepting..as if/real..some very..distorted associations..which are not true.

think..of man/riding dinosaurs..or flying
men..super-heros..[your all super men..in mind..[in-ego]

The..confusion of/sex..with aggression,..or..good/god with judgment..not justice..and..resulting/miss-behavior..which is..the same..for BOTH,..delusions..is a good/example...of this.

This..is..complexity.,,understandable[to the psychologist],
and..is so..common..it does not produce..even mild..surprise.

The..lack of surprise,*,,however,*
is NOT..a sign..of understanding...

It is a symptom..of the/psychologist’s ability..to accept..as reasonable a..*compromise which..is clearly..felt..as non-senseless,..by ego..to..attribute it to the mental..illness .*of the patient..rather than his own,

and..thus..seeks..to limit..his questions
about..both the patient..AND himself..to the trivial..[irrelevant/irreverent/the rote][plank..versus mote]..in our minds eye.

These relatively..minor confusions..[distorted/aborted-seeings/miss-seeing..misspercieving ..themiss-creations..of our ego's satations;

[self-congratulations]..of the ego..are not among..its more profound
mis-associations,..although..they DO reflect..dearly..upon them.

Your..own egos..have been blocking the/more important-questions..which your minds*..*should ask...

but..You do NOT understand..a..patient..[even thyself;physician]..while you yourselves..are willing to limit..EVEN..the questions..you raise up..and about..[awake]..[bake]..into..HIS mind,..because you*..are also accepting..these limits..of mind..for YOURS.[return..in kind]..

This..makes you..unable to heal
him..*AND yourselves...MUST*YOU*..Be ALWAYS..unwilling
to adapt..to ANY situation..in which..miracle-mindedness..is unthinkable.?

That state..*in ITSELF.,.is enough..to
clearly..demonstrate..*that miss-perception..*is wrong.

It cannot..be emphasized..too often..that*CORRECTING
our-OWN..miss-perception is merely a..temporary expedient.

It is.necessary ONLY..be*cause..ego/Mis-perception..is a BLOCK to
accepting new..[often contradictory..knowledge,].

while ACCURATE perception*.is..[simply..BY..REALLY..seeing..its own then..living..the being..by..loving..within..what..onlt ever realliving moment[now]..wow..NOW*..really..is..

is..a stepping-stone..TOWARDS receiving..the perceiving..of it.

The whole..value of..right-perception..lies in the..inevitable judgment..which..if..necessarily..entails that..of it..as is NECESSARY...removing the..unnecessary..

This removes the block entirely.
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 13 November 2013 11:49:02 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
You may ask..how this is possible..as long as you..appear
to be..living..in this world...[watch.now the working..of your mind..

[you are in a forest]
in..your mind..see it..[seeing it]
now see the forrest clear felled of trees

see the open/field?

And since..this is a sensible question,.it MUST..have..a
sensible..or even com-pre-henable answer...[but wait]

you..must be careful..that you really..understand
the question...What IS..the you..seeiingthe forest/field..who
are you..seeing that forrest field..[living eyes/observing..thus living..in this world..you just visualized..right into your mind?

the realist/Bill..will probably..have more trouble..with this
simple exercise..than you,..but if*..he will try..not to close his
mind,.he may*..decide..that we*[whocan see]..are NOT engaging..in denial after all.

To help him,..see..it might be-wise..to review..for him
a number..of the concepts..with which he/does not appear..to have as much resistance/trouble,..[his expected..accepted exceptions]..at most waking-times.

He liked..the idea of invisibility,..and was
particularly open..to the concept*..of different orders*of reality.

He[realists]..also found..the notion of/varying densities..of energy appealing...thus..While he may*yet agree..that these..are merely
teaching aids,..this is a good time..for the realist..to employ them.

Immortality/eternity/infinity..grace/good
truth mercy..is..a constant state...of loving mind.

It is..as true now..as it ever was..and..ever..will be,
because it..alone..implies..the surity..of..*NO CHANGE..AT ALL...[et'al]

It..is not a continuum,..and it is NOT..to be..understood
by comparing..it with any opposite...there can/be no..infinite..exists..within..any finite*

Knowledge..NEVER involves comparisons...knowledge..is true beyond bias..hope/fears..limitation..or interpretation

That..is its essential..difference..from
everything else..the ego-mind..can grasp.
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 13 November 2013 11:50:07 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
“A..little-knowledge”..is..not dangerous..except to the..fragile-ego.

The..essential thing..to remember always..is that the ego
DOES*NOT-0RECOGNIZE..the..real_source..of its perceived*..threat.

And..if YOU associate yourself..WITH the ego,..YOU do
not perceive..the whole..mis-created/mis-percieved..situation..as it really is.

Only your allegiance..to it..disillusioning..gives the ego
ANY power..over you.

only..but Vaguely..does...the egosense..threat,..and,
conscious..mind..simply ..by being unable..[unwilling]..to realize that..“a little-knowledge”..is..in/of itself..a meaningless phrase
because..“all”..and..“a little”..[in this context]..are the same,

that which decides..derides..

that..since..“all”..is impossible,
the fear..does not..lie with-in..this..all.

“A little,”..however,..is a scarcity
concept,..and..this..the ego..understands well.

Regarding..“all”..as impossible,..“a little”..
is perceived..as..if..[the..only]..possible..thus is,,then..the real threat.

We have spoken..of the ego..as if it were..a separate thing,
as if..it..was capable..of acting on..its own...This was necessary to persuade..you that you..cannot dismiss it lightly,..and NOW*..MUST
realize..how much..of your thinking..is ego-directed.

But..we cannot safely..leave it at that,..or you..will regard yourselves..as necessarily conflicted.

as long as..you are here,..or more
properly,..as obg as your..ego choses..to BELIEVE..that you are here.

The ego..is nothing more..than a PART of..your
fixated passions crystallized..[realized..into mis-belief..about your..own..egoistic[[,jingo-mystic]..selves.

Your other/life..as asun..of the fat-her..has continued without interruption,..and..has been..and always will be..totally unaffected
by..your attempts..*to dissociate...from..him...all living..all*loving..

him..[the most]..just loving..serving..[even..the least]..the deserving living feast..teaching/learning/earning..the most..as well as..the undeserving..alike..[equal wages][par-rabble]

The ratio..of repression..of other[and even..of true-self]..and dissociation..from the eternal/infinite goods..of..gods/love of truth*..varies..within..the individual ego-illusion..of self.

(tell Bill..that phrase..is VERY good),*but dissociation..is
always*..involved,..or..you would/not..even..believe that you ARE here.

When I told Bill..to concentrate..on the phrase..“here I am,..Lord,” I..*did-not..mean..“in..this world”..by..the words..“here.”..I wanted him*..to think/of himself..as..a separate consciousness, fully..capable of..direct communication..with the Creator*..*of that consciousness...he claims to-be.

He,..too,..MUST/begin to think of himself..as a very powerful receiving*..and sending channel,..to me[like you]..a description
I once gave you..symbolically...remember?

Remember..that HE understood it..even..before you did,
because..you are more..dissociative..[more easy distracted]..and less repressed.

Your great debt..to each other .is something
you should never forget...It is exactly..the
same debt..that you owe..to me.

Whenever..you react egotistically..towards each other,
you..are throwing away..[pushing..good/god away]..which/the graciousness..of your indebtedness..and the holy perception it..would produce...[could restore]..

The reason why..the term..“holy”..can be used here*..is that,..as you learn..how..*much you ARE..indebted..to the whole Sunship..which includes me,..you come as...close to true/useful..knowledge...as perception ever can...perceive.

This gap is..so small that
knowledge..can easily..flow across it..
and obliterate..darkness..and ignorance/
hunger and need..filth..and greed,..*forever.

first need..see it..in..mind..
then..perceive it..in..*kind..then enjoy it..
leaving all..pain dread..insecurities..illusion..fears..behind.
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 13 November 2013 3:39:45 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
You..have very little trust..in our,father..as yet,..but it
will increase..as you turn..more and more/often to me..instead of to your egos..for self-guidance.

The results..of love lived.will convince you increasingly
that..your choice in turning to me..is the only..sane one you can make...No one who has/learned.from experience..*that one choice brings..peace..fulfillment..and joy..while..another..that brings
chaos..and disaster..needs much re-conditioning.

The ego cannot withstand..the conditioning/process,..because the process..itself DEMONSTRATES..that there is..another way...than self abusing..the me..in thee.

The classic conditioning..by rewards model..
has..always been..the..most effective.

Howard..Hunt..made a very good point..in this..heart-mind..connection,..even though he did..not understand that the real reason..why conditioning through pain..is not the most efficient method..is because..

emotive-pain itself..is an ego-illusion,..and thus..by its nature..can never induce more than..a temporary/temporal..effect.

The rewards..of God's goods..are of immediacy
once felt..to thus..be immediately..recognized as eternal.

Since this recognition is*..made by YOU
and NOT..by your ego,..the recognition..ITSELF
*establishes..that you and..your ego..*CANNOT be [one]..identical.

You..may believe..that you/have already..accepted the
difference,..but..you are by no means convinced..as yet.

The very fact..that you are..yet..even now..preoccupied
only..with the idea..of escaping FROM..the ego..shows this.
You cannot escape..from the ego..by humbling it,..or controlling it, nor punishing it.

The ego..and the Soul*DO NOT..KNOW each other.
The separated..materialist..mind cannot maintain
the separation..EXCEPT by..the desperation..of dissociating.

Having done this,.it utilizes repression..against all/truly natural impulses,..not because the EGO..is a separate thing,..*but because you want,,or NEED,to/believe..that YOU are...the ego.

The ego..is a input-device..for maintaining..this belief,..but it
is still only*..YOUR willingness..to..abuse..the device..that enables it..to endure...[just input the right energy..into..it]

[love in=love out].

My trust..in you..is greater than..yours..yourego
put..that of ego..in me..now..or at the right time[at the moment], but..it will-not..always be..that way...Your mission..is very simple.

You ..have been chosen..to live..so as
to demonstrate..that You are NOT;.an victim..of natures selfish-ego.

I repeat..that I do..not choose God’s..channels wrongly...The
Holy One..shares my trust..and always approves..my Atonement decisions,..because my..*will..is never out of..accord with His...will..for my-will..and my will..for your will.

thrill

as will..his..freewill..it wills..
thus wills..us to will..doing the only..to the good..only good of god
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 13 November 2013 4:41:06 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
I have told you several times that I am in charge of the whole Atonement. This is
ONLY because I completed by part in it as a man, and can now complete it through other
men. My chosen receiving and sending channels cannot fail, because I will lend them
MY strength as long as theirs is wanting. I will go with you to the Holy One, and through
MY perception HE can bridge the little gap. Your gratitude to each OTHER is the only gift
I want. I will bring it to God for you, knowing that to know your brother IS to know God.
A little knowledge is an all-encompassing thing. If you are grateful to each other you
are grateful to God for what He created. Through your gratitude you can come to know
each other, and one moment of real recognition makes all men your brothers because
they are all of your Father. Love does not conquer all things, but it DOES set all thing
right.
Because you are all the Kingdom of God, I can lead you back to your own creations,
which you do not yet know. God has kept them very safe in HIS knowing while your
attention has wandered. Bill gave you a very important idea when he told you that what
has been dissociated IS STILL THERE. I am grateful to him for that, and I hope he will not
decide that it is true only for you. Even though dissociation is much more apparent in
you, and repression is much more evident in him, each of you utilizes both.
Wisdom always dictates that a therapist work through WEAKER defenses first. That
is why I suggested to Bill that he persuade you to deal with REPRESSION first.

We have
only just about reached the point where dissociation means much to you, because it is so
important to your misbeliefs. Bill might do well, - and you could help him here, - to
concentrate more on HIS dissociative tendencies and not try to deal with repression yet
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 14 November 2013 8:43:16 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
I hinted at this when I remarked..on his habit of disengaging himself, and when I..spoke to him..about distantiation...These are all forms..of dissociation,..and these weaker/forms were always more evident in him than in you.

That is because..your..dissociation was so..extreme
that..in your case..you did not have to hide it..because you were not aware that it..was there...Bill,..on the other hand,..DOES dissociate more than he thinks,..and that is why..he cannot listen.

He does not need to go through the same course in repression that you
did, because he will give up his major misdefense AFTER he has rid himself of the lesser..ones.

Do not disturb yourself about repression,..Bill,..but DO train yourself..to be alert to..any tendency..to withdraw from your brothers...Withdrawal is frightening,..and you do not/recognize all the forms..it takes in you.

Helen is right..that she will experience things..that
will cut across..all her perceptions because..of their stunning/knowledge.

You were right/that this will occur..when she learns..to
recognize..what..she ALREADY knows..and has..dissociated...from[by fear]..

You, Bill,..will learn..somewhat differently,..*because you are afraid*..[of all complete-involvement..,...and..so..miss-believe that they lessen..YOUr..higher/standing.

You have learned..to be so much more..clear-sighted about this
so/that you..should be ready..to oppose it..in yourself RELATIVELY
easily...[when..you chose..to.]

As you come closer..to..being..a brother,..you DO approach me,
and as you..withdraw from..*him..I become distant to you.

Your giant step forward..was to INSIST on..a collaborative/venture. This does NOT go...against..the true spirit..of meditation.*..it..IS8..inherent..*IN it.

Meditation is..a collaborative_venture..with GOD..included..between..thee...It CANNOT be undertaken..successfully by those..who disengage..themselves..from the Sonship,..because they are disengaging themselves..from me.

God..will come to you..only as you will..give Him to your brothers. Learn first of them,..and you/will be ready to hear God as you hear them...That is because the function..of love is..One..infinite..omnipresent..love.

How can you..teach someone..the value of something
he has thrown away..deliberately..as value-less..?

He must have thrown it away..because he did NOT..see..the value..of it...You can only.*show him*how..miserable he is..*WITHOUT it,..and bring it..near very slowly,..so he can learn..how his/misery lessens as he..approaches it.

This conditions him..to associate his misery..with its*ABSENCE,
and to associate..the OPPOSITE of misery..*with its presence.

It gradually becomes..desirable,.as he changes
his mind..about its worth...then..NEXT..see..the value..in..other.
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 14 November 2013 9:00:37 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
please ignore..the next..two-posts
they are simply a dire-version..[cause..im not allowed further edit..of acim..today...and needed..to know why]

so lets get/this test..out of the way

ABOUT..THE CARDS..IN YOUR READING
http://www.llewellyn.com/tarot_reading_results.php?Deck=1&Layout=1&proceed=Show+Tarot+Reading

Five of Cups
In..the Cover position
Indicates..the querent..in relationship..to the present situation.

Meaning: Disappointment.

Being held..at a disadvantage..and manipulated..by emotional strings. Unfulfilled dreams...Feeling..an energy drain...Spilled milk.

Suffering..over..other-one¹s suffering...Difficulty..accepting a loss...Disbelief...Senseless loss...Lingering gloom...Being limited by..the haunting..of past experience...Weight...Slow healing.

The Lovers
In the Cross position

Represents..the positive forces..or assets..in the querent's favor. If..this card..should happen to be..a negative card,..it indicates the nature..of an obstacle..that is hindering progress...(The card in this position..is always interpreted..in its upright manner.)

Meaning:..Union..of opposites.
The promise..or potential..for love
and romance...Partnership...Attraction,..chemistry,..lust.

Magnetism...Harmony...Play...Joy.
Humour...Romantic interlude..or amorous encounter...Restless imagination.

The crystallizing,..projecting process..of.."blind love."..High hopes...Flare of desire...Friendship,..admiration,..and affection.

Communion...Sharing...On a deeper level..it can represent transformational..power..of love...Inspiring feats.to attain or secure love...Being made brave..by love...Conviction..and commitment.

The mystic bond..of familiar spirits...Mutual understanding.
Fusion..and energy...A pact...Symptoms of love:..anxiety,..vulnerability,..short attention span.

Being made..useless..by love...Poetry,..daydreams,..music.
Expanding experience...Loss of the rational...Gratitude.

the lovers..Can represent..a choice..between what..is desired
and what..is acceptable...Assessment...If a decision is involved, indicates..happy outcome..after struggles.

*The Chariot
In the Beneath position
Can be viewed as a message..from the.."higher self."
It..can also reflect..the querent's potential aspirations.

Meaning:..Triumph...Victory parade...Success
of a multifaceted endeavour...Leadership,..competence,..and maturity. Conquest...An evolved personality...Courage...Being centered and secure...Moral, ethical progress..and conduct...A high-minded, honourable

approach to life...Balance,..integration...Harmony of opposite tensions...Equilibrium...Reconciling opposing forces..or views. Uniting right..and..left brain functions.

Control..over inner conflicts...Harnessing wild energies.
Life unfolding..at an accelerated pace,..yet maintaining direction.

Finding one¹s stride...Enjoying the thrill..and ride of life. Engaging..an ambition..or dream...Achievement...High energy. Promotion,..honours,..and reward...Overcoming opposition...

May indicate..a rescue,
as in..the arrival..of the cavalry.

*Nine of Swords
In the Crown position
Represents past events..and influences..that color..and give rise..to the current situation.

Meaning:..Nightmares,..suspicion,..and insecurity...Depression weighing one down...Worry and delays...Longing and misery...Pining for a loved one...Distress and obsession...

The haunting of past hurts and injustices...Debilitating,..unhealthy situation...Unrelenting/enemy...Loneliness...Indecision..Bewilderment..Premature end.

Seven of Swords
In the..Behind position
Represents the preoccupation..of the subconscious..which filters into waking life,..affecting moods..and outlook...This is the underlying theme..of dreams..and the emotional undercurrent..in the querent's life.

Meaning: Resignation...Acceptance...Limited success...Releasing of the old..renews the spirit...Rejecting outside expectations..for an individually..fashioned lifestyle...

continues
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 14 November 2013 9:56:10 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
End of an ordeal...Negotiations. Independent-thinking...Confidence...

Release from the grip of material questing..for higher pursuits.

*The Sun
In the Before position
Represents.the state of..the querent's relationships..with others.

Meaning:..Triumph,..success,..and security.
Growth,..well-being,..and nourishment...Solutions,
faith,..and glory..Sincerity in love...Play,..vacation,..and enjoying the blessings in life..without analysis.

Being present..in the moment...Rejuvenation...Childlike innocence and playful manner...Youth...Trust...Blossoming...Thriving...Enjoying the pleasures of nature...Bounty after trials.. Masculine..sexual energy. Summer love,..country romance..

Bright,..warm days...Learning new skills..through play.
Thanksgiving...Birth of a child...inFame.

Two of Swords
In the Self position
Indicates the querent's psychological state..and attitudes
which can greatly..affect the outcome..of the matter.

Meaning: Armed peace...Uncertainty...Limited information.
Impasse...Blind judgment...Sensing...Frail alliance/but with potential...Invitation to friendship,..collaboration,..or union,..but not being met halfway.

Questioning whether friend..or foe...Dual nature...Energized by a not yet..*decided situation,..relationship,..or path..venturing into the unknown.

Having to proceed.while in the dark,..using intuition..or caution. Self-reliance...Having to make..a blind choice..to break a stalemate.

Seven of Wands
In the House position
Represents the querent's..environment..and unseen forces influencing the situation.

Meaning:..Courage,..determination,..and creative thinking.
Portends a good time..to hazard a gamble...Though the odds..may seem against you,..there are advantages..to your position.

The victory of..a major battle..paves the way..to opportunity
and a positive cycle..in life...Taking a stand...Guarding principles and dreams...Fending off predators.

Silencing naysayers.

Seven of Pentacles
In the Hopes position
Indicates..the hopes..and fears..of the querent.

Meaning:..Bounty comes..of patience..and ingenuity...The fair
and just..treatment..of others...Growth..in personal and business life...Feeling of well-being...Satisfaction/in work.

Profit...A card of goodwill...The repaying..of past kindness. Stability..and steady progress...

Reaping what has been sowed.

Three of Cups
In..the Outcome position
Indicates..the outcome of the matter.

Meaning:..Celebration...Thanksgiving...Shared happiness...pleasure and..satisfaction...Enrichment/of friendships...Support,..encouragement.

Excitement..and play...Enjoying arts..and talents...Luck,
excitement,..and momentum...Goodwill and humour...

The doubling effect..of success shared...The joy of artistic collaboration...Romantic fun...The freshness of spring.

Gratitude..and good health.

ok..happy..now*..ahhh-mene
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 14 November 2013 9:57:11 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
i thought to..try it twice..[with other format]

ABOUT THE CARDS IN YOUR READING

Seer of Wands
Seer of Wands
In the Cover position
Indicates the querent in relationship to the present situation.

Meaning: Don’t be surprised at her frankness; the Seer of Wands is not one to mince words! Her hot temper and impulsiveness will get her into all kinds of trouble. Filled with the youthful notion that she is indestructible, she can be daring to the point of danger. This spunky girl may not be practical, but her enthusiasm is worth encouraging. It will lead her to her true calling. Maturity and responsibility can come later. This Seer may represent a bold person in your life, or she may be asking you to nurture your own adventurous spirit.

Return to Top


Death
Death
In the Cross position
Represents the positive forces or assets in the querent's favor. If this card should happen to be a negative card, it indicates the nature of an obstacles that is hindering progress. (The card in this position is always interpreted in its upright manner.)

Meaning: Despite the many negative associations with this card, it brings you an amazing gift: the possibility of transformation. Now is the time to release patterns and beliefs that no longer serve you. Have trust in the future, bid farewell to the past, and allow yourself to be reborn.

Return to Top


Ten of Pentacles
Ten of Pentacles
In the Beneath position
Can be viewed as a message from the "higher self." It can also reflect the querent's potential aspirations.

Meaning: In the Ten of Pentacles, we experience the satisfaction of having all our needs met. Having attained a lasting level of security, we have good reason to relax and to celebrate the abundance of life with friends and family. At the same time, this card speaks to the importance of creating something worth passing on to future generations.
Posted by one under god, Friday, 15 November 2013 10:35:51 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Whatever your age,..start thinking..about the legacy you will leave.

What impact will your life have on the world? On an even deeper level, the Ten of Pentacles offers a gateway into the essence of its suit: that the everyday world contains magic and mystery that we are often too busy to acknowledge. Honoring this magic is perhaps the most profound and valuable legacy we can leave behind.



The Lovers
In the Crown position
Represents past events and influences that color and give rise to the current situation.

Meaning: When this card appears, be prepared for a new love in your life or be ready to work on a current relationship. The Lovers beckon you to be deliberate in your choices. The challenge is to learn how to give yourself without losing yourself. Trust in love, and don’t let fear keep you from commitment if it feels right.



Eight of Cups
In the Behind position
Represents the preoccupation of the subconscious which filters into waking life, affecting moods and outlook. This is the underlying theme of dreams and the emotional undercurrent in the querent's life.

Meaning: The heart’s yearning for a deeper meaning cannot be ignored. The Eight of Cups calls you to begin a spiritual quest, to withdraw your energy from the world to be more present with your inner life.

Whether you hike up the Himalayas or retreat to your room, give yourself plenty of time alone. Creative solitude is the single most important thing that will help replenish your joy in living. You may also bring back greater self-awareness, spiritual insights, and possibly a whole new set of values.

Six of Cups
In the Before position
Represents the state of the querent's relationships with others.

Meaning: Just for now, leave the worries of the world behind. Live fully in the present. Even a few moments of such deep ease can seep into and change your life.

If you are not experiencing the joy promised in the
Six of Cups,..you might look..to your memories..for such a time.
Posted by one under god, Friday, 15 November 2013 10:38:09 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
In*fact,..this/is..traditionally..the card/of nostalgia,..[looking back-on..happier days.]..But
more than..just longing..for/a..perfect and..irretrievable time,.. reminiscing..can-help..*you draw..insight..from..the past..to enrich/the..present.

Forgotten/dreams..may resurface..with renewed*potential..[wikiseed/wikigeld?]..Remember, the..innocence..and simple joys..of youth..are always*.available within.

Four..of Wands
In..the Self..position
Indicates..the querent's/psychological-state..
and attitudes..which..can greatly-affect..the outcome..of the matter.

Meaning:..This card..portrays a joyful passage*..
from one/stage..to the next...Like..the May-Day..celebration,

the Four..of Wands..is about..the gaiety/
that..encourages growth..and abundance.

The spring-crops..are in the ground...A good foundation..has been established;..great optimism..is in order.

Remember,..delight..has a vital place..in creating/lasting success. With..hard*work behind..and more challenges ahead,..now is the time to relax..and enjoy.

Take pride..in all/that you’ve..accomplished.
You’ve..come.a long way!

Six/of Wands
In the/House..position
Represents the querent's..environment
and..unseen forces..influencing the situation.

Meaning:..The Six/of Wands..may herald..the arrival/of..good news;
it may/also..mark a moment..of personal glory...One of the most gratifying*..cards in the deck,..it shows..the high point of a creative/journey.

Self-confidence..forged the path/to..this victory,.for
as Rachel-Pollack..says,..“Optimism..produces/the very/success it desires..and..expects.”..Having manifested..your goals,..your achievements..are now..[now/are][are/now]honored

by others...A promotion..or other reward/may even-be granted to you. You deserve..this acknowledgment,..for your success..benefits the whole community...Inspiring*others..with your triumph,..people may begin..to look.[for..themselves].

to you..[for leadership..]guidance..However,
be wary..of the human desire...for heroes.. don’t use y
our position..to gain unfair-advantage.over others...Enjoy your time in the lime..[light]..for what it’s worth,..knowing that..frame may fade..but your accomplishments..will endure.

The High Priestess
In..the Hopes position
Indicates the hopes .and fears..of the querent.

Meaning:..The High Priestess..invites you/to..come to a
place..of stillness,..receptivity,..and self-awareness...of others

To experience..her mystical vision,..you may need/to..cultivate y
our ability..to heary..our intuition..through meditation.or dreamwork...Trust your inner-oracle,..for the knowledge..you seek..*is within..all..and everything.

Four'/of Pentacles
In..the Outcome-position
Indicates..the outcome..of the matter.

Meaning:..The Four of Pentacles..reminds us..not/to..depend on
what we own./for our sense of security...The pursuit of..material gain alone*..is barren..and destructive..to both individuals..and the larger organism..[society].of life.

A culture..that has..survived..for so long..
i.. the desert..knows that..the best insurance..
is the love..and support..of..a living/loving..community.

If..one falls,..the others..*will be there..to support them.
This..true wealth..can’t be hoarded. [it must..constantly..be given/received]..if..it-is..to be..truly-believed]

This card..may represent..a time..when
survival-instincts..are needed.

A..genuine/danger..to your security..could be at hand,
so..clever stewardship..of resources..is important.

At the..same time,..don’t let*..irrational fears..of deprivation
take over...You..are being..asked..to*honestly examine..your relationship..with..money ..and possessions.

Recognize*..and appreciate..the..forces/that.*sustain[your life.] Failure..to/do so..brings/stagnation..and..an ironic/scarcity..of funds.

http://www.llewellyn.com/tarot_reading_results.php?Deck=12&Layout=1&inc_reversed=1&proceed=Show+Tarot+Reading


caution..ABOUT..THE DECK..divination..is-not a toy*
Posted by one under god, Friday, 15 November 2013 11:01:58 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
I am conditioning you to associate misery with the ego, and joy with your Soul. You
have conditioned yourself the other way around. But a far greater reward will break
through any conditioning, if it is repeatedly offered when the old habit is broken. You
are still free to choose. But can you really WANT the rewards of the ego in the presence
of the rewards of God?
It should be clear that, while the content of any particular ego-illusion does not
matter, it is usually more helpful to correct it in a specific context. Bill is right that you are
too abstract in this matter.

Ego-illusions are QUITE specific, although they frequently..change, and although the mind is naturally abstract, it became concrete voluntarily as
soon as it splits. However, only PART of it splits, so only PART of it is concrete.
The concrete part is the same part that believes in the ego, because the ego DEPENDS
on the specific. It is the part that believes your existence means you are SEPARATE.
Everything the ego perceives is a separate whole, without the relationships that imply
BEING. The ego is thus AGAINST communication, except in so far as it is utilized to
ESTABLISH separateness, rather than to abolish it.
The communication system of the ego is based on its own thought-system, as is
everything else it dictates. Its communication is controlled by its need to protect itself,
and it will disrupt communication when it experiences threat. While this is always so,
individual egos perceive different kinds of threat, which are quite specific in their own
judgment. For example, although all forms of perceived demands may be classified (or
judged) by the ego as coercive communication which must be disrupted, the response of
breaking communication will nevertheless be to a SPECIFIC PERSON or persons.
Posted by one under god, Friday, 15 November 2013 3:18:49 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
The..specificity..of the-ego’s..thinking,.then,
results..in a spurious..kind/of..generalization,..which..is really not abstract..at all.

It..will respond..in certain specific ways..to all stimuli
which it perceives..as related...In contrast,..the Soul reacts..in the same way..to everything it*..thinks to..*know is true,..and does not respond..at all*..to anything else.

Nor..does it..make any attempt/to ESTABLISH..what is true...It knows that*..what is true*..is everything..that God created...*It is
in complete*..and direct communication..*with every-aspect..of Creation,..because it..is in/complete..and direct..communication..with its Creator...realizing..its unique/qualities.

This communication..IS...the will of God.
Creation..[recognition]..and communication..are synonymous.

God created..*every-mind...by communicating..*His..inner knowledge-of Mind ..*into it,..[revealing..the..external//qualities..with-out]..thus establishing..*it..[qualitatively]..forever as/a channel..for the reception..of..His Mind-in kind..and..our/united..efforts of..Will.

Since..only beings..of a..like order..can/truly communicate.
His Creations..naturally communicate..with Him..and communicate.like Him.

This..communication..is perfectly/abstract,..in that..its quality
is universal..in..general/application,..and not subject..to ANY specific-judgment,..nor..ANY exception,..or ANY alteration.

God..made..*you ..THUS..*BY..this..
and..specifically..FOR*..this.*

The mind..can distort..its functions,..*but..it cannot
endow-itself..with those..usdes.it was_not*..given.

That..is why...the mind..cannot/totally..lose the..ability to communicate,..even though..*it may refuse..to utilize it.*..on behalf of..the being..it is..being.

Existence..as well as..being..*rests on..this in-extricable..communication[communion].

Existence..of being..is SPECIFIC...in how, what,..and
with whom-[being]....communication is worth*..undertaking.

this..we may..comunicate..with flowers[opnly attheir ownlevel]..as percieved byour emotive responses[ie reacting totheir beauty/smell/tast..touch-sense]..ontheir level]not ours]

ditto god

mutual[peer/based]..[sympatico]..Being
is completely..without..these..perceived miss-distinctions.

It is..[being]..a state..in which the/mind..of being..IS in..real communication..with everything..that is real,..including its own Soul.

To..whatever/extent..*you permit..this state..to/be curtailed,
you..are limiting..your..being-sense..of your OWN..sense..of reality, [being[]..which becomes total..only by recognizing..ALL reality..*in the glorious-context..of its/real relationship..to YOU.

This&...*IS your reality.
Do_not..desecrate it..nor recoil.,from it.
It is..your..inner-being..within..its real home,..your..real-temple, and..your..-real self.

God,..who encompasses..*ALL Being,[ourbeing]
nevertheless..created..separate beings..who have*everything individually,.but who w..just..*ant to share it..[en'mas]..to increase...their joy..and...our joy..at viewing..the whole picture..

Nothing..that is real..can be..increased..[of its reality/being]
but..EXCEPT by sharing it..and other confirming...That is*..why God Himself..created you.

Divine_Abstraction..takes joy..in./.communal..aggregation/application,..and..that..is what..creation MEANS.

How,*what,#and..*to/whom..are irrelevant,..because..any..real creation..*gives everything*..since..it can only..create like..the inner/synchronized vibe..origination..in..itself.

*Remember..that..*in being,..there is..no difference..between
having..and being,..as there*is..in existence...In the state..of being,..the..cloud-mind..gives..peace/of..mind..in everything/always.

The-Bible..*repeatedly/states..that you/should..*praise God...This hardly/means..that you..should tell/Him..how wonderful*..He is.

He*..has no-ego..with/which..*to accept..*thanks,
and*no..perceptions..with/which..*to*judge*..your offerings.

But..unless..you..take/your part..JOYOUS/loving..in the_creation,
His joy..is not complete..*because YOURS..is incomplete...

*And THIS..*He does*..know.
*He knows..it..*in his own Being..and its..experience..of His Suns’ experience...The..constant..GOING OUT/of..His love..is blocked..when His Channels..are closed..byour mixed-emotions/judgments/hurtfull/misscreations..of ego-mind.

,..and He IS..lonely
when the minds..He created..
do not..communicate/fully..with Him.
Posted by one under god, Friday, 15 November 2013 3:58:39 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
God HAS kept..your kingdom..whole..for you,..but He..cannot
share..His joy..with you until you..know it..with your whole mind.

Even revelation is not enough,.because it is communication
FROM God...But it..is not enough.until it is shared.

God does not need..revelation returned..to Him,..which would clearly be impossible,..but He DOES..*want revelation brought to..*others.

This cannot be done..with the actual revelation,..because
its content cannot be..expressed,..[impressed]..into miracle..and it is intensely...*personal[relitive..only..into the beings-mind..which receives it.

think..like a radio..wave/band/or specific/unique..vibe

But it can still be..returned..*BY that mind
through its attitudes..to other minds..*which the knowledge..from
the revelation..brings.[symbiosis..by..ozmosis]..

God is praised..whenever any mind..yearns to be wholly helpful.
This is impossible..without being wholly harmless,..because the two beliefs..*cannot coexist...

The truly helpful..are TRULY-invulnerable,..because..they
are NOT protecting..their egos,..so that nothing..CAN*..hurt/them. Their helpfulness..IS their praise..*of God,..and He will return their praise..*of Him,..because they are like/Him..and can rejoice in this..mutual/recognition..confirmation..together.

God..present*/presence..goes out..to them./.and through
them,..and there is great joy..throughout the Kingdom...Every mind that is changed..to live of love..adds to/this joy with its own individual willingness..to share in it.

[to get..grace,,we need only give..it[and mean it]

The truly helpful..are God’s miracle-workers..
whom I direct..until we are all united in..the joy of the kingdom.

I will direct you to wherever..you can be truly helpful, and to
whoever can follow..my guidance..through you.

I arranged for Bill..to attend the rehabilitation
meetings..for very good reasons,..and I want him to know..them..so we can share our goal..*there.

Properly speaking,..every mind which is split..need rehabilitation. The medical..orientation..emphasizes the body,..and the vocational orientation..stresses the ego.

The*team approach..generally leads more to confusion..than anything else,..because it is too/often misused..as an expedient for sharing the ego’s dominion..with other ego’s rather/than..as a real experiment..in cooperation of..the cultures/of..like-minds.

The reason why Bill needs..this experience is because..he needs rehabilitating himself...How often have I answered..“help him” when you asked me*..to help you?

He, too, has..asked for help,..and he has been helped whenever he (he).was truly ..helpful to you...He..has also gained to whatever extent he could give.

He will help..YOU more..truly..by going,..

if he can remember..all the time..that..when..he is there..with you
that..his ONLY reason..for being..there is to..REPRESENT ME...beside..you..

he*..[em-body..me..[].
as i embody..our father.[in the flesh][yet..in spirit/simpatico]
Posted by one under god, Friday, 15 November 2013 4:53:57 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Re-habitization,..as/a..movement/motivational-means,..has seen..an improvement..over..overt neglect,.but*it is..too often..little more than..a painful-attempt..on..the part of..the..partly healed..to miss-lead the..partial-[ly]...blinded.

Bill,..you..will..see/this..at.every-meeting...But..this
is not..why/you..were chosen..to/go...[see..that]..You..have/a fear
of..broken-bodies,..because..your ego..cannot..tolerate..the error..wrought..in them...

Your ego..cannot tolerate..other..[even brotherly..ego-weakness,..either,..[without-ambivalence,]..because..even..your-'own'..ego..is afraid*..of its*own/weakness..and-that..of the..weakness of its..own/chosen home.

That..is really..why you recoil..from..the demands/of..the dependent, and..even further..from*the sight..sound..or implications..of a broken-body.

Your ego_sense..of/control..is threatened,..and..thus..the/lack..of good-will..blocks..your natural*instinctive[but..momentary-impulse/riven..to help,..thus placing..you..under/the strain..of your..ego/ergo..divided-will.

You withdraw..regretfully..only..to allow..your ego..to recover,
and..to regain/enough..[sufficient]..strength to..*be helpful..again
only..upon...a basis..limited/enough..NOT to/threaten..your ego,..but also..far..too limited..to give YOU..*that joy...of maturation..via expressive/timely-compassion.

Those..with broken*bodies..are often..looked/down upon..by..the ego, because..of its..miss-belief..that nothing..but..your/own..ego perfected body..alone..is worthy..[as its*..OWN temple...for your*..own ego-mind]

A mind..that..recoils..*from a..hurt/body..is..in great*need..of rehabilitation*itself...A damaged/brain is..also hardly any..real..nor..fearsome danger.

*ALL/symptoms..of hurt..need true..and immediate..[even medicated/mediated]..helpfulness,..and..whenever..they are/met..with.
this/oneness..of the-mind..that..so..*meets them..heals..IT-SELF.

Re-habilitation..[re-habituation]...is/an attitude..of..praising
God..creation..[]as..like]..He Himself..knows praise...He offers
praise..to*you,..and you..*must offer it..to others.

The..real limitations..on clinical/psychology,[as it]is..evaluated..by..its followers[at present,]..are not reflected..by the/attitudes..of psychiatrists,..nor medical-boards,..or..by..hospital /administrators,..even though..*most of them..are sadly..*in_need of rehabilitation*..themselves.

The..real handicaps..of/the clinicians..lie in..their attitudes..to those whom*..their ego/perceive..as weakened..and damaged...[thus..it is*reasoned..not*..of god]..

[ie..ego-self...self-inflicted..BUT*..in/ignorance..
bill....[you often..do it..in full_knowing*..with/the expectation...of leaving..it..all..up to me..or worse..leave it..up to-our..father

[stop fudging..[your judging]
who..is not thy younger brother bro?

By these ego..[ergo]..miss-evaluations,..they..have weakened and
damaged..even furthered..the separation..[by their own..un-helpfulness,]..and have thus..set their own..rehabilitation back.

Re-habitization..is NOT concerned..with the ego’s fight/for control, nor..the ego’s need*..[desire]..to..avoid..[pre-tend].and withdraw.[run].

Bill,..you..can do/much..on*behalf of..your own..rehabilitation
AND..Helen’s,..and much/more..universally..[for-others]..as/well,..if you*think of..the Princeton..meetings..in this way:

try..to think..next time..before*..cutting/running

I..*am_here..ONLY*..to be..truly_helpful...
to..whoever..god sends..to-be/here..to me.

I am..here..to represent..the unity..of Christ..[being..
with/us]..and..of he..[our father..of all*living..who..sent me.

I..[bill]..do not..have to worry..about*..what*to say..nor concern..about..what*to do,..because..the/one..*who sent me..will direct me...[using..thy brotherly-senses..[revelations]..to/guide me]

I..[bill]..am content..to be..wherever..He wished,..for
as long..as needs be..knowing.he goes..there..with-in..me[2].

I will..be healed..as..i heal thee..
as I..let him..teach me..to heal..thus doth..the physician..heal..thyself..loose the whiny ego-serf[self]

know..no..you are not doing..this by..thyself
there are many..here wanting to help..but await invitation

[we..arnt all..like your ego..johan..we must wait.,.to be asked..
but..we each/are..but..what god..*made us*to become..so we/too
cannot..judge other..by..what you..all..*present-ly be*.[r]
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 16 November 2013 7:15:10 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
remember..this isnt all karma[we all have the right,,to wash
our own face..but not to put such..indelible..stain..upon other]

forget..that we earn..all we own
god gave us perfect..to be less..is by..mans freewill choice
who in..their right-mind..will..chose no-face

[or to loose face..lets face it..its sickening..
but..how much worse for them..to see..the..distortion's..of our face]

ergo..control..ego

To heal..is..simply..to make happy.
I told you once..to think..how many opportunities..you
have to gladden yourselves,..and how many..you have refused.

the faces..WE NOW HAVE..are not our eternal-faces
in..the next life we reflect..all the..faces..our faces faced..or diss-graced.

This is..exactly the same..as..telling you that you have refused
even.to want/try/intend..to heal yourselves...The light that belongs in..ALL*..of.you .is the..light of joy...*Randiance..*is not associated..with sorrow.

the first flush..of face2 face..must include the love radiance....Depression .is often contagious,[fgace/to
face]..but..*although it may[WILL*}..affect those..who come in contact with it,.they do not..*yield to its influence..wholeheartedly.

SIN?..i see no..sin
you are beautifull..now..but will
be perfected..only in spirit//just chose what your face reflects..affects others..the long frown..brings us all down.

But joy..calls for..the an integrated..deliberated willingness
to share..the love..in it,..and thus/promotes the mind’s..natural impulse[inclinations]..to RESPOND..AS..the love..oneness of every-ONE.

Those who attempt to heal..without being..*wholly joyous themselves call forth different/kinds of responses..at the same time,..and thus deprive others..*of the joy..of responding/wholeheartedly...by choice.

To be wholehearted,..you MUST be happy.
If fear..and love..cannot..coexist,..and if..it is impossible
to be wholly..fearful..and remain joyously[ alive,..then the only possible..perpetual statement..isnt hate..

BUT is..with and in him
omnipresent..in whole state..which..IS that of love.grace/mercy..goodness..be their rightful due

There is..no difference..between love and joy.
Therefore,.the/only possible whole state..IS the wholly joyous state-meant.

To heal,..*or to make joyous,..is therefore
the same as..to integrate..and MAKE ONE.[..atonement/at-one-meant]..

That is why..it makes do difference..TO what part of
BY..what part..of the Sonship the/healing is done./../*Every part benefits,..*and benefits equally.

YOU are being blessed by/every beneficent thought
of any of your brothers anywhere...[just like at present..many curse themselves.

You..should want*..to bless/them in return,..out of gratitude.
and certainly not return..bad for bad [only gods good is eternally true.

You do not..have to know&..them individually,..nor they you.
The light..of joy..is so strong/that it radiates*..throughout the Sonship..

and returns..thanks..be..to the Father..for radiating HIS
joy upon us all

[from him..within..we can..never be..with-out.
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 16 November 2013 8:23:33 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Only God’s own..wholly/children..are worthy..to be channels
of..his beautiful joy,..because..only they *..are beautiful*enough to hold it..by sharing it.*

It is..impossible..for a Child/of God..to love
his neighbor..EXCEPT*as..much..as he..himself..allows..his love..of his own..himself...That is why..*

the healer’s*prayer is,..“let me
know..this brother..as I know..my-[inner-ego]-self.”

Healing..is an act..of thought creation[*re-form]..by which
two minds ..jointly..perceive their oneness,..and become..glad...[mutually*healing..each-other]

This gladness..calls..to every part of..the Sonship
the one-good/god ship..to rejoice..*with them,..and let God
Himself*..go out..into them..and through*..them.,,for*them..
then..by them.

Only..the healed mind..can experience/revelation..with-in..
real-time..[within..the living moment]..with lasting effect,..because revelation..is..*an experience..of pure joy...in re-cognizing

If..you do_not will..to..be wholly joyous,..your mind
cannot*,,have...what it does not..will*..to be.[have]

Remember..that the Soul..knows*no difference..between being
and having...The higher-mind..thinks..according to..the spirit..of laws..which..the Soul obeys,..and therefore..honors..only..good/uses..of the/laws..of God.

To Him,[god]....*getting is meaningless,..
to him..and giving..*is all*

god..by..Having everything,..knowing..the
Soul..HOLDS..everything..in spirit..by GIVING it,..thus truely creating..as*..the Father..created.

If you think/about it,..you will see..that,..while this
kind of thinking..is totally alien to*having..the actual-THINGS,..even to the lower mind..it is quite comprehensible..in connection with/IDEAS.

If you share..a physical possession,..you DO divide its ownership. But if you share/an IDEA,..you do NOT lessen it...*ALL of it is still yours,..although..*all of it..has been given/away.

Further,..if the person..to whom you give it..accepts it as HIS,
he reinforces..it in*..YOUR mind,..and thus INCREASES it.

If you can accept..the concept that the world..IS one of ideas, the whole..belief in the/false association..which the ego has made between giving..and LOSING is gone.
http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/secret-docs-show-tpp-is-worst-ever-trade-deal-for-public-health/

Let us..start..our process of rebirth?
by..re-awakening with..just a few..simple concepts:

Thoughts INCREASE..only..by being given away.
The more..who BELIEVE in them,..the STRONGER they become.
EVERYTHING is an idea.

How,.then, is it possible..that giving..and losing can be meaningfully/associated?...*This is..by..the invitation..to..the Holy of Spirit.

I told..you that I..could reach-up..and bring the
Holy Spirit..down to you...But I can bring Him..to you only at your own invitation...The..*Holy Spirit..is nothing more than..your own right mind.

He is also..with-in.mine. T..he Bible says,
“May the mind..be in you..that was also..in Christ Jesus,”

and a joyful..huh?-man..uses this..as a BLESSING.
It is..the blessing of miracle-mindedness...It asks..only..that you may think..as I thought,..joining with/me..in Christ-thinking...

by rejecting..even..merely giving thought-energy..into negative/judgmental..miss creative..miss-thinking.
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 16 November 2013 11:18:41 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
The Holy-Spirit..is..the only part..of..the Holy/Trinity..*which is symbolic...He..is referred..to..in/the Bible..as/the Healer,..the Comforter,..and..the Guide.

He is..also described..as/something separate,..apart/from..
the Father..and..from the Son...

as I..myself said,...“and if..I go
I/will send..you..ANOTHER/comforter,..and he..*will abide..with you.”

The Holy/Spirit..is a..difficult-concept..to grasp,..precisely
*because..it IS symbolic,..and..therefore..open to..many different interpretations.

As..a man..and as one of God’s creations,..*my right thinking,
which came from..the Universal/Inspiration..[cloud-mind]..which IS the Holy Spirit,[wholy-mind]...taught me first..and foremost..*that this..Inspiration..is for ALL.

I..could not..have it myself.without knowing.that.
The word ..“know” is proper here,..because..the Holy..Inspiration is so close to..knowledge..*that ..*it calls forth,..or better,..allows it to come.

We have..spoken before..of the/higher..or true perception,..which is so close..[to fearles-truth]..that God Himself..can flow across the
little gap.

Knowledge is always..ready to flow..everywhere,..
but it..cannot oppose...[it cannot..resist..any* blockage]..

Therefore..you can obstruct it,..although..you can never lose it.
The Holy Spirit..is the Christ mind..that senses..the indicative..flux and flow..of knowledge..[that lies beyond..material..conception..or perception.]

knowledge..came into being..with the separation..of the witness[testament]..of its validation..[external..of self projection]..as a protection,..to retaining..its learning

and was..inspired..from..the..beginning of..the Atonement at the same time...Before that,..there was..no need for healing..and no-one was comfortless.

God honored even the miscreations..of His Children because
they had made them....But he also..blessed them with..a way of thinking about them..that/could raise..their perceptions until..they became so lofty that..they could reach..almost back/to Him.

The Holy Spirit..is the mind..meld..of the At-one/ment.
It represents..a state of-mind..that/comes close enough to one-mindedness..that transfer..of learnings/verifications..of true knowing..is at last possible.

As you well/know,..good//helpfull..transfer depends on common elements..in the old..re-colected [re-called]..learning..and the new situation..to which it is..affirmativly..transferred.

the..Perception..is not..the knowledge,..but it can be..TRANSFERRED to knowledge,..or CROSS OVER..into it...It might even be..more helpful here..to use the literal..meaning “carried over,” for the last step..is taken..[carried]..by God.

The Holy Spirit,..the shared*Inspiration..of all the Sonship,
induces a kind of perception/in which many elements..are like*..those in the Kingdom..of Heaven Itself.

First,..its universality..is perfectly clear,
and no-one..who receives it..could ever believe
for one instant..that sharing..*it..involves anything..*BUT gain.

Second,..it is incapable*..of attack,..and
is therefore..truly open...to defend..the truth..that is.

This means that..although it does-not..engender
knowledge,..it does not*..obstruct/it..in..any way...by*sharing

thus..it..never*..gets used up..nor wasted.,
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 16 November 2013 4:21:49 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
There..is/a point..at which sufficient/quantitative_changes
produce real..qualitative differences...[know-lewge]..but.. importantly..The next-point requires..the..real/understanding,..because ..it is..the point.at which the..shift..of perceptions..occurs.

Finally,..it..*points..the way..beyond the..healing
which..it brings,..and leads the mind..beyond*its own..ego-centric..integration..into the paths..of miracle-creation.

Healing..is not creating;..it is reparation.
The Holy Spirit..promotes healing..by looking..beyond how we would..perceive..it,..to that..what..the children..of God..*were before*..healing was needed,..and will be..again..when they have BEEN healed.
This alteration..of the time sequence..should be quite..familiar, because it..is very similar..to the shift..in time perception..which the miracle/introduces.

The Holy Spirit..is the..MOTIVATION..emoted[e-motivated]..for miracle-mindedness...It is..simply..by our..motivations..that instill..the will.[to HEAL/the separation..].by letting it go.

It is..IN you..toenact..that envisioned..by will..because God
placed it...in your mind,..and..although..you can keep it asleep..you cannot obliterate it...

God Himself..keeps it alive..by..transmitting it..[our free will]..from His Mind..to yours..as long as there..is this perception..of linear-time...

It..is partly..by*..His will..and
partly..of..yours.

The..miracle itself..is just/this fusion..or..re-union
of will between..Father..[causation].and Son.[thefruit/result*]

The Holy Spirit..is the Spirit of Joy.
It is the call..to return,..back..to that..good
of joy..[en-joy]..with/which God..blessed the..minds[even..of the separated Sons.

This the vocation..of the..union..of higher-mind.
It had..no calling..[reason/of being]...until the/separation,
because..before..it had only good/true-being,..and would*not..have understood..the call..back to..right thinking.

The Holy Spirit..was God’s-answer..to the..childish/divisive.. separation,..the means..by which..the Atonement..*could repair..[withdraw]....until the whole/trinity..of-mind..*returned..to merciful..useful-creating.

The Atonement..and the separation..began at the same time.
When self-minded-man..made..the ego,..God placed..*in him..the call of joy..This call is so strong..that the ego..*always dissolves at its sound.

That is why..you can choose..to listen/to..two voices..within you.
One you made..yourself,..[that asks/explains..and..the one that recuse/accuse/judge..that one..is not of God...

But the other..is given you by God,..Who asks you
only..to listen to it...knowing..its good..is of god..and the error..is of the ego/self.

The Holy Spirit..IS in you..in a very literal sense.
in.every cell..of your..smallest body-being..

It is..the good true..loving/forgiving..merciful..voice..that calls
you back to*..where you were before..and will be..again.

It is possible..even in this world..to hear ONLY..that
good..true/loving/forgiving ..mercy full..voice..and no other.

It takes effort..and great/willingness..to learn...loving all.

It is the final..lesson that I learned,..and God’s Sons
are as..equal as learners.as they are..as Souls...The voice of
the Holy Spirit..IS the call..unto..all..to Atonement,[at-one-ment].
for..the restoration of..the integrity of..the mind...back..into wholeness.

When the Atonement..is complete and the/whole Sonship is healed, there will be..no..need..for..a call..to return,..because..what God creates..is eternal...one for all..allfor..one...
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 16 November 2013 7:43:36 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
You*..ARE..the embodiment..potent/quotient..of the Kingdom..of
Heaven,..but you..have let..the belief in..ego-mis-creations..[darkness/separation/fear]..enter your..into..your unattended-minds, and..so you need..a new*light...to reveal..the path..back..to fearlessness.

The-Holy/Spirit..is the radiance..[that..beams..from..your.. visage[face]..see..that you..must let..his light..OUT*...to/banish..the idea..of..the external-darkness.

Holy-spirit..is..the glory..[the why..of the way..]..before
which..all..miss-creation's..by..dissociation falls away,.and the
Kingdom/of Heaven..breaks through..the illusions..into..its own.

Before..the separation.you did not/need guidance.
You KNEW...as you will/know..again,...but you do not truly-know now.

God does-not guide,..because..He can share....only..that perfect/true
PERFECT-KNOWLEDGE...perfected love..ultimate-truth..[his]..Guidance is EVALUATIVE,..because..it implies/that..there is a/RIGHT way..and also a WRONG way,..one to/be chosen..and the other..avoided.

By..choosing/one,..you..give up..the other.
This..IS..a conflicted/conflicting/ego-infused state...
It MEANS..that..knowledge..has been/lost,..because..*knowledge*is SURE.[the known-known]

God..is not..*in you;..[for the greater..needs/include..the lessor]..YOU*..thus..are..each..a*part..of HIM...

When you..*willed /to..*leave Him,.He/gave you..a voice..to speak..[call..FOR Him,..because/He..could no/longer..share His knowledge..with you..without..your/own..miss-created/hindrance.

Direct communication..was broken,..because..you..
had/made..another..voice through..the..creation..the ego-conception..of..*an-other's will.

The Holy Spirit..calls..you/both..to remember..*and forget.
You...have chosen..*to be..in a state..of/opposition,..to..'other' ...only..with-in..which..opposites..*are possible.

As..a result,/there ARE..choices..*which yo_ must*make.
In..the holy-state,..the will..is free..[in-the..sense
that..its creative/power..is unlimited,]..but choice/itself..is meaningless.

The Holy Spirit..will remain..with/the..Suns[lights]..of God,[good/true/light]..to bless..*THEIR*..mis]-creations..and..even.. as/to..keep*them..in the..[de-]light..of joy.

Freedom to choose..is..the same*..POWER..as freedom..*to create,
but..its APPLICATION/is different...*Choosing..MEANS divided will.[choic=more..than..one/will..to chose..between.

The..Holy/Spirit..is one..way..of choosing...This[ta0]..
way..is..*in..you BECAUSE..there/is..also..*an..other way.

God..did not..*leave..His Children
comfortless,..even though...athey left Him..alone..

The voice..that..they put_into..their minds..*was NOT..the*voice of His/Will,..[for which.-the Holy-Spirit..speaks.]

The call..to return..is stronger..than..the
call..to depart,...but..it speaks..in a different*way.[tone/form..of address]..

The voice..of..the/Holy-Spirit..*does not*..command,
because..it.is...*incapable..of..arrogance...or..affecting..our freewill.

It does/not demand,..because..it does*not..seek/to control.
It..does*not..*overcome,..because it/does..not judge..nor..attack.

*It merely..REMINDS.

It..is compelling..only..because..*of...what..it reminds..you..*OF. It brings....awareness..back..into..your mind[the OTHER-way],..remaining quiet..even-in ..the midst of..the turmoil..*you have made..for yourselves.

The voice..*for God..[good]..is always..quiet,..because it
speaks..*of..our immortal-eternal..[inner]-peace...Yet peace is stronger..than war,..because it heals.

War..is DI-VISION,..not
increase...No-one gains..from strife.

“What..profiteth..it..a man..if he-gain..
the whole world..and..yet...lose..his own/Soul?”

This..means..that i.. he listens..to/the..wrong voice,
he has..LOST..the in-SIGHT..of his Soul...He CANNOT
lose/it..but he..*CAN..not know it..or even..of-it.

It is..therefore..[forgotten]..*LOST TO HIM,
until..he chooses..right...and seeks..to reveal..his..own..de-light

The*Holy-Spirit..is your guide..in choosing.[wrong..from..right]
knowing..darkness..from..de-light..He..[status]..is..the part..of your mind..which ALWAYS speaks..up..for..the right choice,..because he.listens..thus speaks..for God.[the good].

He..is..your/ever..remaining..means..of communication
with God,..which you can..delay..ignore/ridicule..or interrupt,..
*but..cannot destroy...The/Holy Spirit..as..the way..in which.. God’*will..can/WILL../be..done ./on earth..*as it/is in..Heaven.

Both Heaven..and..Earth are..with-and with..in..YOU,
because..the call..of both..knowledge/knowings..are..real-ized.. aligned..with-in...all..your minds-wills.
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 17 November 2013 7:24:54 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
keep..firmly..in/your minds...that..The voice..for God
comes..from your..*own altars..you..erect..to Him.

These altars..are..not THINGS...They are..DEVOTIONS.
*But..you have..other..[miss-created]..devotions now.

Your..divided devotion..has given..you..*the two-voices,
and..now..you must choose..at which altar*..you will..to serve.

The call..you answer*now..IS/by..an evaluation,
because..it is..a DECISION...conscious bias/choice.

The..decision itself*..is very simple...It/is..made..
on the basis..of..*which call..is worth more..agreeable..to/you.

My*mind..will always..be like yours,..because..we
were..*created..as equals...It was only/my..will-full..DECISION..
choosing..his voice[his..will alone..that gave me..all power..in Heaven..and earth.

My..only gift..to you..is to help
you..*make..*the same/decision..FOR YOURSELF.
The will..for/this decision..is the will to*..SHARE it,
because..the decision..itself..IS..instantly..decided..by the decision.to share.

*It..is MADE..[create/formed..in-formed]..only..BY GIVING,..and
is..there'fore..the one act..of mind..that resembles..true/creation.

You..understand..the role/of models..[in-the..learning-process,..and the importance..of..the models .that..you value..and..which..you..choose to follow..in determining..what you will*to..learn.

I am*your..model.,.[real/living-example]..for..affirming..your decision...*By deciding..*for God,..I showed you..that..this decision CAN be/made,..and..that YOU..*TOO..can make it.

I promised..you..that the mind..that made..the decision..for me..*is also..*in YOU,..and..that you..*can..let it..will..to..change you just..as it..changed me.

This mind is*..unequivocal,..because..it
hears..*only..ONE VOICE,..and..onml;y..answers..in ONE..loving-WAY.

You..are..the light/of..the world..*with me.
Rest..does not come..from sleeping,..*but from..the act..of..waking.

The/Holy_Spirit..is the call..to awake..and be joyously..glad.
The world..is very tired,..because..it is..*the IDEA[miss-creation]..of..the divided..tired/ego-minds..weariness.

Our task..is the joyous..one of
waking..it..to..hear..the call..for good/of..God.

Everyone..will answer..the call..of/the..Holy Spirit,
or..the Sunship..cannot be..as one.[al-one]..

What..better vocation..could ther be f..or any part/of ..the Kingdom than..to restore it..to the perfect/integration..that can*//make it whole?

[note/not..will..nor/must]

Hear*..only this..through..the Holy-Spirit..within you,
and..teach..your brothers..to listen..as I..am teaching..you.

When..you are tempted..*by..the wrong voice,[ie feel/fear/uncertain..judgmental..[dark]..call ..*on me..to remind
you..how to heal..by sharing..my decision..and..will..the MAKING of IT..by STRONGER...wills..willing it.

As we..*share..this/goal,..we increase..its will-
power to attract..the whole Sonship,..and..the will..to bring..it back ..into the/Oneness..in which..it was created.

Remember..that..“Yolk”..means..“join together,”
and..“burden”..simply..means message.,,Let us..reconsider
the biblical/statement..“my yolk..is easy..and my burden light”

in this way...Let/us join..together,
for..my message..is but..the.de-Light..message..

I came..into..your minds..because you..had grown
vaguely aware..of the fact..that there..is another way,..or another voice.

by..Having given..this/invitation..to the Holy Spirit,
I..could come...to provide..the living-model..for HOW..man..relearn..simply..TO re-THINK.

Psychology..has become..the study/of BEHAVIOR,..*but.no-one denies the ..basic-law..that behavior..is a response..to unseen/MOTIVATION, and..motivation..is the fuel..energy..of will.

I have..enjoined you.*to behave..[do]..as I behaved,[did]
but..we must respond to..the same mind..as our will..to do this.

This mind..that wills..this....is..the Holy/mind-Spirit,kind
whose will..is..'for Gods goods..always...It teaches..you
how..to keep me..as the..life-living/model..for your own
free-will..thought,.[retort].and behave..like me..as a fruity/nutty..result.
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 17 November 2013 8:30:13 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
unlimited.*Child..of God,..my message..is..for YOU,..to hear
and..to..give away..as you answer/honor..the Holy-Spirit..within you.

The way..to LEARN..TO KNOW..[re-cognize]..your brother
is..only..by perceiving..the..eternal/immortal/Holy..Spirit..*in him.

We..have already said..that..the/Holy_Spirit..is/the bridge
or..the..inter-medium..of thought-transfer..[of perception..moving
in-TO..knowledge,..so/we..CAN use..the terms..*as _if*..they were related,..because..*in..*HIS mind*/they are.

This relationship..MUST..*be..[perceived..as real]..in His mind, because..unless..it were,..*the separation/between..the two ways..of thinking..would_not..*be open..to healing.

THee..is part of*..the Holy/Trinity,..because..*His Mind
is..partly..YOURS..and also..a*PARTLY..GOD’S.

This..needs clarification/not*..in statement,
since..what..we have said..that..this before,..is..but..that wrought/by..EXPERIENCE.

The..Holy-Spirit..is..simply..a will/
calling..for..the IDEA..of healing...by..Being thought,
the..life..of the...idea..GAINS..ever more living power..AS IT IS..SHARED.

by...Being..the call..FOR that..GOOD..of..God,
it..is also..the idea..OF God's good..fair/just..rewards.

*you are..ape-part..of God,..it is*also..the idea..your will envisions..of..the embodied-being/of..YOURSELF..being,..appart..as much a a part..as well..as of*..all the parts..of Good.[god]

The idea..of..the Holy Spirit/shares..the property[proper-ties]..properties....[pro-portions]..of other ideas,..because it follows*..upon..beyond..the laws..even..of the universe..of which IT
is..a part.[ape-heart]

Therefore,..it is strengthened*..by being..given*away.
It increases..in YOU..as you/give it..to your brothers.[for/free]

Since..thoughts*..*do not..have to be..*conscious..to exist,
your brother..does not..evem..have to/be AWARE..of/the Holy Spirit,[..either in himself..or in you]..for this..miracle..to occur.

He may/have..dissociated..the call/for Good,
just/as..YOU have...But the..dissociation..[misscreation].is healed in
BOTH/of..you..*as you*see_it*..in him,..and thus..acknowledge..its BEING.

Bill,..who/has..made..a number..of vital/contributions..to our
joint-venture,..made a..major-one..a while ago,..one..by..which
he..himself..did/not..notice/appreciate..or even understand.

If..*we recognize..its value together,..we/will..will to/be..en-able to..use it..together,..*because it is*..an idea,..and..*must therefore..be shared..to be/held...respected/reverently/reflectively/activly..used*.

When/Bill..said that..he..*was determined*
“NOT to see..you..that way,”..[he was speaking/negatively.]

If..he will..but..re-state..the same idea,,but..POSITIVELY,
as affirmation..he will..see the POWER..of what he/said.

He..*had realized.that there..*are..*two_ways..of seeing
you,..and..also that..*they..so seeing..are/diametrically..opposed to one/an-other.

These two ways..must be*..miss-realized..in HIS mind,..because he
was*..referring/to..HIMSELF..as/the..*per-ceiver.
They..*must also..be in YOURS,.because..what,..he was/perceiving..was YOU.

What..he was..*really saying..was..that/he
would*NOT..look at you..*through HIS ego,..nor..perceive*YOUR ego..in you.

Stated positively,..that..he would*..[will/to[..see you
through*..the Holy/Spirit..*in..HIS mind,..and perceive..*it..in YOURS.

What you acknowledge..in..your brother,..*you ARE
acknowledging.,.*in yourself...What you share *..you STRENGTHEN.

The voice..of..the Holy/Spirit..IS weakly..willed..in you..yet.
That..is why..you MUST*..share it,..*because..*it must be..INCREASED in/strength..*before YOU..can..will..to/hear it.

It is impossible..to hear it..in yourself..while it..is
indeterminate..[unfocused/unfiltered]..so weak..yet..in your OWN mind.

It is..*NOT weak..in itself;..but it IS..
limited/by..your..very/un-willingness to/hear it.

Will itself..is an idea,..and is therefore..only..strengthened by being shared...You have made/the mistake..of looking..*for the Holy Spirit..ONLY..*in YOURSELVES,..and that/is why..your meditations
have/frightened..you.

By..adopting..the ego’s..viewpoint,
you undertook..an..ego-alien..journey..of ,mal-creations..but fear not..

only your..own fears..keeps them..alive.
[recall..ye/not..ye..shalt..NOT*..FEAR..no*evil*].
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 17 November 2013 10:50:39 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
WITH..THE EGO..AS GUIDE...This..was BOUND..to produce fear.

Bill’s..better idea..needs to/be strengthened..in BOTH of you.
Since..it..was HIS,..HE can increase it..by giving it to you.

Delay..is of..the ego,-fear..because
time..[proper-time]..is,,on..of ITS concepts.

Delay is..obviously..an-ego-TIME idea.
Both time..AND delay..are meaningless..in eternity.

We have said.before..that the Holy
Spirit..is God’s..*answer..to the ego.

Everything..of which the Holy Spirit..reminds you
is in/direct opposition..to the ego’s notions,..because true and false..*perceptions..are..of..THEMSELVES/opposed...The Holy Spirit has..the task of..UNDOING what,,errors/disharmoniousness..the ego has made.

*It..must undo..hurtful..error..as/it..lies..with-in..the same realm of discourse..in which/..the ego itself operates,..*or[else].the mind would be/*unable to understand..the conceptual-change.

We..have repeatedly emphasized..the fact that one level
of the mind..is not understandable..to another...in..its specialised..area of experteaze[small..can read math]

and/so..So it is..with the ego[materialist-self]..and the soul
gods essence/as presence..of self]..,..and..as like/with/time and eternity.

Eternity is an..idea..of God,..so that
the soul..understands..*it..perfectly...Time/space..however..is a belief*..of the/ego,..and thus so that..of the lower mind,..which IS the ego’s..reclusive domain,..ego..accepts it without question.[unthinkingly]

crucially..un-critically..The only*good/true..aspect of time
which is..really eternal..is this..living..live* time..NOW.

real-time..is..really..that truthfully..real..all the time*[now]

That is..what we REALLY mean when we
say..that now..*is the only time.

The literal nature of this statement..does not mean..*anything
to the ego...It interprets it,..at best,..to mean..“don’t worry
about..the future.”..This is NOT..*what it really means..at all.

The Holy Spirit..is the mediator..between the interpretations
of the ego..and the..lived true/knowledge..of the Soul.

Its ability..to deal with symbols..*enables it to work..AGAINST the
ego’s missbeliefs..*in its..*own language.

Its equal ability to look BEYOND symbols..into eternity..also enables it..to understand..the laws of God,..for which it speaks.

It can thus perform the/function of RE-INTERPRETING
what the ego makes,..not by destruction,;/..but by..further/under-standing.

Understanding..is the..inner light,that presents..its remenmberance..of mind[in image]..and light leads to seeing..the revealed[by the light]..knowledge.

The Holy Spirit is*..IN light,.;.because it is
IN YOU..*who too..ARE light.[think..light=ENERGY[E*]..But you yourselves..do not..seek..to..know of/this...It is./therefore the task..of the Holy Spirit..to re-interpret..[convey]..clearly..that.. of you..revealed..to all..on behalf of good..of God.

You cannot understand,,yet..even..the miracle..of..yourselves alone. This..is because you have.,no meaning
apart from your rightful place in the Sonship, and the rightful place of the Sonship in
God. This is your life, your eternity, and YOURSELF. It is of this that the Holy Spirit
reminds you. It is this that the Holy Spirit SEES.
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 17 November 2013 2:49:15 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
It is..of this..living/loving/light..that the/Holy-Spirit
reminds you...It is this..that the Holy-Spirit..SEES...This vision invariably..frightens the ego,..early..because..it is..so calm.

Peace is the ego’s..greatest enemy,..because according..to..*ITS
interpretation..of reality,..war/greed/creed/rite/trite/right/ritual/rote..is the guarantee..of its survival.

The ego..becomes strong in..the excitement/incitement/strife
because..if you believe,,.[theidea]..there is strife,..you will
seek..the will..react viciously..because..*the idea of/danger has entered your mind.

This idea*..of miss-perception..[pre-judgment]..itself
IS..an appeal..to the ego...implicit/need..in..meeting..the ego-lack.

The Holy Spirit..is as vigilant..as the ego..to the
call..of danger,..opposing it..with ITS//light-enlightend/strength just..as the ego WELCOMES..it with.all its might...The Holy Spirit counters..this/seemingly welcome..by welcoming peace.

ife/love/Peace and eternity..are as closely related..[in-truth/light]
as..are..death/fear/time and..war...[as untruths/darkness]

Perception.as well as knowledge..derive
their eternal/spiritual-meaning..from RELATIONSHIPS.

*Those..which you..[ergo/ego]..accept
are the..sure-firm[affirmed],,foundations..of your beliefs.

The Separation..is merely another term..for a split mind.
half sane..half lost..in..its..own..same*..[in-sane.]

It.,.[relatedness]..was..not an act,..but a..true-thought. Therefore,..the idea of Separation..can be given away,..[asvadark-one]..just as the idea..of unity..can,be safely gifted..even as simple..an idea*

and either way,..it will,,*be STRENGTHENED
IN THE MIND OF..THE GIVER...The ego..is the symbol of
the Separation,..just as..the Holy/Spirit.is the symbol of peace.

What you..perceive in others..
you are STRENGTHENING..IN YOUR SELF.

You let your mind..misperceive,..but the Holy Spirit
allows/lets.your mind re-interpret..*its own mis-perceptions.

The..wHoly Spirit..is the perfect teacher...It uses only
what..pre-cept/con-cept..intercept..your minds..*ALREADY understand,

that even try..to..teach you..that..you do not..understand

it...The Holy Spirit..can deal with..an unwilling learner
without going..counter to his,,nor theirs/will,..because part of his will..IS still..good-will..for Good...[of god]

Despite..the ego’s attempts..to conceal this part,.it/is still..much stronger than the ego,..even though the ego..does not recognize it.

The Holy/Spirit..allways/will..recognizes it perfectly,
because..it is its..own dwelling-place,..or the place..in the mind
where/it..is at home.

YOU are at home/there,..too,..because it is a place
of peace,..and ALL..peace....is of God.[men create pieces]

You..who are part of God..are not at home..EXCEPT in
His peace...If peace is eternal,..you are..at home only in eternity.

The ego made the world..as IT miss-perceived,,it,..*but the Holy
Spirit,..the RE-INTERPRETATION..of what the ego made,..sees it only as..a teaching device for..bringing..you home...safely..lovingly..timely..mercifully..assuredly.
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 17 November 2013 3:44:26 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
from
http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=15688

i..noted/your article..cause..of..the one..reply
many people..dont bother..reading..things..like/this..

till..there/is..some..interest

this is..usually..when you..join-in..
the conversation..or..do..update..

but you..may be new.to the olo process..
so..i will..go over ..my responses..

the heading..isnt descriptive..of..the first line..
[nor..most of..the rest..of..the article..]

in fact..i almost gave-up..reading..before/this point..[see quote]..wondering who..is writing such..A....poor me..info-taintment

and/then..saw your face..
then..had to..read on

then..i..found..this

<<..Judaism..recognizes..*the particular relationship
between..*parent and child..by allowing..a longer mourning period.>>

that..i find interesting..anymore info?
a GRACE-period?

<<..While..the/generally..accepted.time...is 30 days.>>

generally accepted..by who..?
[i never..knew]

generally..known..to few?
too few?

is..it Knesset-law..or gods-law?
i didnt..note it in..the bible..is it in..the torah?

where?

or is it..taught..in school..or temple
[see..the parent/children..thing..is the same
as..god and,..his created/creation..kind...of thing

thus in..gods-home
[Israel;..god must be..in*..there somewhere

or/else..he was..chased out..

to..WHERE?
[yet other..peace-filled hearts]

<<..an adult child..>>..priest/rabbi?

<<is..notably/expected..to honor..their..parent's-memory..>>

gods memory..[of an..idea*/creation]
except..god..aint dead*[even/dead..aint dead]
[but..lets take..that..as read.]

<<..by publicly reciting..a prayer,
known as..the Mourners' Kaddish,..for 11 months.>>

May..His great name....[i am,]..be exalted
and..sanctified..is G-d's..great name.[i am]

2 in..the world..which He created..according to His will!
3 May..He establish..*His peace-full/loving..kingdom..again..[in..the hearts..of men.]

4 and..may His..[gifted promise..of ever present..eternal/living loving being..bring atonement/salvation..let..]..salvation blossom..and His anointed..[inspirit]..be bought near.

5 durin.. your lifetime..and during..your days
6 and..during the lifetimes..of all the..House of Israel,

<<a term..that traditionally implies..the reward/
*for piety,..good deeds,.*and charitable work...>

NOT..eternal war?

7 speedily and very soon!

And say, Amen.

AHH..men

The next two lines..are recited
by the congregation..and then..the leader:[who shall..serve you]

8 May His..great name..[i am]..that..i am..is being..in every living being..]..[be..simply by being the being god willed..its being into being]..be blessed..

9 for ever,..and in-to all eternity!

10 Blessed..and praised,..glorified..and exalted,
simply by loving other.

11 extolled..and honoured,..adored and lauded
12 be the name of the Holy One,..blessed be He,
13 above and beyond all the blessings,
14 hymns, praises and consolations
creed/rite/ritual/protestations
15 that..are uttered..into..his words..
thus..into the world!

by..blessings upon..him..ye bring blessing upon..you
by blessing..of other begets..the blessing upon him..for who..the blessing..is is..over due

by simply blessing..thy brother
ye..bring blessings..upon all..of we

ME
WE=he.

in..his mirror/image..are we created
by our form..is his form..fully..filled

And so..it is we..
who say,..Amen.

The half..kaddish/divisions/dire-risions..ends here...[hear>]
Posted by one under god, Monday, 18 November 2013 9:06:43 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Here..the.."complete kaddish"..includes:

16 May..the prayers..works..and..supplications

17 of..all Israel
the reward*..for piety,..good deeds,..and..charitable work...>>

18 be accepted..by..OUR..Father[of all/living]....who is to..gather..us..all..in Heaven;s..eternal

And say,..Ahh..men.
[do..ye wish..to try living..without me..yet again]

Here..the.."kaddish/of..the rabbis"
(including..the kaddish..after..a siyum)..includes:

19 To Israel,..to the Rabbis..and..their disciples
20 to the..disciples..of their disciples,
21 and..to all..those who engage..in..the study
of..the Torah..and not of..the laws of war*

YOU..who....have adopted..as..a state-symbol
the menorah..(candlebrum).

<<..which is explained..in the Tenach..
(on..the occasion of..a previous return..to the Holy Land).

as,WRITTEN

*"not..with..*armed force*..and..not with power,*..
but..*in My spirit..says..the..Lord of Hosts.">>

says..the host*..of lords

see..how we/can..hold..two
incorrect ideas..[see previous post]
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15341

22 in this..[holy]z place
or..in any*..other place,

23 may*..there come..abundant peace,
24 grace,..loving kindness .nd compassion, long life
25 ample sustenance joy..plenty..mercy and salvation

26 from the Father..who is..eternal..even..in heaven
(and..in/embodiment..here..on/earth);
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6040&page=0#176201

27 and say,..Ahh..men.
mene/mene/men-eh?

All variants.but the half/kaddish..conclude:
28 May there be abundant peace..*from heaven,
29 [and]..[good]..useful..helpful interesting life
330 living the present..moment..by the giving..of satisfaction,help,comfort, refuge,
31 healing,..redemption,..forgiveness,..atonement, 2 relief..and salvation..[unto/all..his LIVING re-creation]

33 for us..and for..all..*his people [the most..and the least]
[upon us]..*and upon all]..Israel;
and say, Amen.

34 May He..who makes peace..in..His_high-places
35 grant..[in..his mercy]..ETERNAL/peace..upon us all.
36 and..upon all of..[his nation's]..even so upon Israel;

and say,..
I am..eye..i..even..see..i..in all-men.

a Text..of the..Burial/Kaddish
[no..not yet..we come/to praise..the king..not bury him

let..the dead..tend the dead
for..in*god..we all live..

lets..take..the prayer..as read
now..live..again..in shalom..not..shallow lie

In..the burial/kaddish,.and.that after
a siyum..according..to Ashkenazim,i,..lines 2-3..are replaced/by:

37 In the world..which will be renewed
38 and..where He will..give life to the dead
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=0
39 and raise them..to eternal life
http://new-birth.net/booklet/Gone_West.pdf
40 and.rebuild ..the city of Jerusalem
http://new-birth.net/booklet/30_years_among_the_dead.PDF

and complete..His temple..there
[for the living god..is sustained..by all life living

and..uproot foreign whorship..from the earth
and..restore Heavenly living/loving..worship to..its dutiful..;position

and may..the Holy..One,see how..blessed is He,
by..setting..free..those in captivity.

reign in..tHis..sovereign splendor
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15301

<<While..the prayer itself..actually..has nothing..to do..with death,..I have found.this ritual..to be cathartic,..as it enables me to draw..on..the support..of my community.

from
http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=15688
Posted by one under god, Monday, 18 November 2013 9:06:47 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
page..130
http://miraclevision.com/acim/urtext/acim-urtext-2003-upe-ready-edition.pdf

YOU..are/at home..here..because..it is..
a place..of peace,..and peace..is..the good/of God.
You..who are..part of God..are/not..at home..EXCEPT..in His peace.

If peace..is..eternal,..you are/at home.only..in..the eternity..of loving_grace.

The ego..made..the world..as..ITperceives it,..but..
the ..Holy/Spirit,..[the RE-INTERPRETOR]..of..what..the ego..
has..of itself..created..[has]..made,..what..our ego,..sees.. as..threat

is....only..of use..as.a teaching d-evice..
learning-aid..for..bringing your..inner peace..back..home..too.

The Holy/Spirit..must..perceive-time..and
reinterpret..its learning's..[knowings]..into..the timeless...eternal[cloud-mind/ultra-meta-mind].

The material-ego--mind..must be led..into eternity
THROUGH..the logic[to-it],..off time..[lineal/assertion..
of..ego-mind..into..eccl-mind..because ego..having *made time..
it is..capable..of perceiving..its /opposite...[of time-less].. and..even..accelerated..faster/slower.or..*even/*paused\..time*

The Holy/Spirit..must/work..through..the veracity..of opposites, because..it..must work..with/and..*for.a..even..the mind..that/IS..in opposition.

working..via..Correctness and..earning,
and-be..he..open..to learning...means..You have NOT
made/truth,..but truth..even*now..can still..set you free.

Look as..the Holy.Spirit..looks,..see..and understand
as..He understands...His understanding..*looks.*back..to good..[God], in/remembrance..and..assured knowing..its..*of god..thus..*all/good

[.of*Me.]

He is..in Holy/Communion..always,
and..He is..always..of you..as/me..as part/of YOU.

He is..your guide..to..infinite*salvation,.because
he..holds*[key*]..the*remembrance..of*things/past..and*..to come.

*He..holds this..gladness..the/fullnes...o.. what we
in*eternity..together..will-to become..as one....

the one..witnessing..your every..work..from within..sitting gently in
your minds,..asking only..that you INCREASE..it..in His name/by sharing it..to increase His..joy..in YOU.[yes..in-me too]..

You must/have noticed..how often..I have used..your own
*ideas..to help YOU...B. is/right in saying..that you have learned
[earnmed]..to be a loving,..mercyfull/wise,..and the..very understanding therapist,..to..EVERY-one..except for yourself.

That exception..has given you more than..perception
for others because/of what..you saw in them,[beyond..ego]..
but less..than knowledge..of your real relationships..un-TO them
because*..you did NOT..*make/them..fully..a part..OF..*you.

Understanding..IS beyond..perception,
because..it introduces..inductive/deductive..clear-meaning.

But meaning..is below..knowledge,..even though
it..can grow*..TOWARDS it...It is possible,..with great
effort,..to understand..someone else..[ergo/ego..and to be
helpful*..to him,..but the effort..[of ego]..is misdirected..

subjective/objective

The mis-direction..is quite apparent...
It is..directed..AWAY from you.

This does NOT mean..that it is lost..to you,..but
it DOES mean..that you are..not aware/of it.

I..*have saved..*all..[..EVERY*..]of..your kindnesses
and..every*..loving..thought..you have..EVER..had,..
and I..assure..you*..you have/had many...

{NOTE}..I have..purified them..of errors..which*hid..their light,..and..have kept them..complete/replete..for you..
in..their*own..perfect radiance.

They..are..*beyond/destruction..and
beyond..guilt...They came*..from the Holy-Spirit..*with/in YOU,
and..we know*..that..*what God.*created..*is..eternal.

Bill./once spoke/of..the Kingdom..in this way,..because he
yearns..for what..*he has..so long..repressed.

You are..much more..afraid of it,..because
dissociation..is..more fearful...than..possesion.

B’s..better contact..has allowed him..the strength
to retain ..the fear*..in/awareness,..and..thus.to resort
to..displacement,..which he-is..learning..to overcome..with*YOUR help.

That is..because you
do/not..perceive..*HIM..*as dissociated,..
and so..you..can help..him..with/his..repression,..which..does/not frighten..you

He,.on the other hand,..has no difficulty..in
seeing YOU dissociate,..and..thus..does not have to deal..with repression..in you,..*which WOULD..*produce fear..in him.

Joining in..the..At-one_ment,..which..I have
repeatedly/asked..you..to do,..is*.ALWAYS..a way
*OUT..of fear.
Posted by one under god, Monday, 18 November 2013 3:07:46 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
This..does not..mean/that..you can safely/fail to
acknowledge..anything that is..knowingly-true,..

but ..the Holy-Spirit..[presence..of..mind-fullness]..will
not*..fail to help/you..*re*interpret..EVERYTHING..that you perceive..as fearful,..

and teach*..you ONLY..what is..living/lovingly..
eternal..is TRUE...It is beyond..your ability to
destroy,..*but..this..is..*entirely within your grasping-ability.

It..BELONGS to you..*because YOU created it...It..*is/yours because it..*is..apart o..*f you,..[just as/you..are..a part..of God]..,*because.*He created you.

The Atonement..is the GUARANTEE..of the safety..[sanctuary]..
of..the..fathers eternal/Kingdom..[of collective mind...thus..
*Nothing good is..ever/lost,..because it comes..from the_Holy-Spirit,..the..very..voice..that bespake..for..our-Creation.

Nothing..that is..not/good..was ever created,..of true/knowing.
and..therefore..the illusionary..CANNOT be protected...*What the ego makes it..KEEPS..only..*TO ITSELF,..and so it is..without..the surety..of..its own/sourced-strength.

Its un*shared..existence does not die.
..because..*It..like person hood/state-hood..was merely..never..actually/factually..*born...*Real birth
is..*not..a beginning;..*it is..*a CONTINUING...*Everything
that..CAN continue..*has*already..*BEEN born.

But it..can INCREASE.as you a/re willing to/return..the part of your mind..[ergo/ego-mind]..that needs healing..back..in-to..the higher part,..and thus..render your..[goodly]..creating..(creation) undivided.

You yourself..[bill]..always told..your patients..that the
real*..difference..between neurotic and..‘healthy’..[guilt feelings] was..that..*neurotic-guilt feelings..*DO NOT HELP..*ANYONE.

This/distinction..was very wise,..though incomplete.
Let us..make the distinction..a little sharper/now.

Neurotic guilt feelings..are a device..of the ego..for
“atoning”..*without sharing,..and for..asking for pardon*without change.

The ego..NEVER calls for..real atonement,..and cannot
tolerate..*real forgiveness,..which IS..change...exta-[out-of]-ego.

Your concept of..“healthy*guilt-feelings”..has great merit,
but..without the concept..of..the At-one_ment..it lacked..the healing potential..it held.

YOU make..the distinction..in terms/of feelings..which led..to a decision..*not to*repeat..the error,[.which is..only/PART-of healing]

Your concept..therefore lacked..the idea of..UNDOING error.
What..you were really..advocating,..then,..was adopting..a policy of sharing*..without..a real/sure/sound..FOUNDATION.

I have come..to give you..the foundation,..so your/own
thoughts..can make you really..ego-free...You have carried
the burden..of the ideas..*you did/NOT share,..and which were
therefore*..too weak..of will..to increase,..but..you did NOT/recognize..how to..*UNDO..their existence/because..you HAD made them.

You CANNOT cancel out..your past errors alone...They will
NOT disappear..from your mind..*without..process..of mind-remedy.

The remedy..is NOT..*of your making,
anymore..than/YOU are.

The Atonement..cannot be understood..except
as a PURE ACT..OF SHARING...That is/what..is meant
when we said..that it is..ever/possible..even*in..this world..to listen to..ONE voice..

you are..a..part of God,..and..the Sunship is one,..
thus..you..*CANNOT be..limited..to the/self..the ego/alone sees.
Posted by one under god, Monday, 18 November 2013 5:32:51 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
The term,..thought,..is often/used..as a synonym..[for cognition]..but this/is..incorrect...A*giant leap..in understanding cognition..is realizing..*that talking..is thinking.

We..talk..*to..each-other..and..talk to..ourselves.
Thinking./.is selftalk,..listening/to others,..speaking/with others, reading..is..thinking..and..writing..is-thinking..too.

Speakers..think..and..listeners..[thinking].form..into
same/thought/interest/alike-thinking-groups..and..in/the..best case arrive/at..a common*understanding..of what..thought..is going/on..*out there.

Self-talk..is/the..only&..conscious*mode o.f thinking..and..it/is..so implicitly..bound--with-in..consciousness..that..“thinkers”..often ..fail/to..identify..self*talk..as their..primary/mode..of thinking.

Thinking is,..therefore,..storytelling,
a form..of argument...>>>

page..95..[self*talk]
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=nx0ZYrhgwN8C&pg=PA94&lpg=PA94&dq=self+talk+l+is+spirit+communication&source=bl&ots=WdKBDQax05&sig=s2xrYC-smThc06x2PlgC02GO2Gc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GHL_UbTaD8bGkQW-64DIAg&ved=0CDAQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=self%20talk%20l%20is%20spirit%20communication&f=false

then
http://angels.about.com/od/AngelBasics/f/How-Can-I-Protect-Myself-From-Fallen-Angels.htm
..<<in his book \]..Glimpses of the Devil,
http://www.amazon.com/Glimpses-Devil-Psychiatrists-Possession-Redemption/dp/B000FTBPMI/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1319726961&sr=1-1

<<and/concludes..that:
“Possession...is not..an accident.
*In..becoming/possessed,..the victim*must*..at least..
in..someway,..cooperate..*with..or..*sell out..to..the d-evil.”>>

ie..our*thoughts..are*energy..for*..spirit
JUST..*to..think vile..&*IS*..to..*attract..[E]..vile.

<<In his book..about..evil called...People of/the Lie,
http://www.amazon.com/People-Lie-Hope-Healing-Human/dp/0684848597/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1319726961&sr=1-3

<< Peck says..that..the way to be free..*of bondage..to evil
is to submit to God..and his goodness*:>>

grace/..mercy/..love etc

<<“There are..two states..of being:..
submission to God..and goodness..or..the refusal,
to..submit..to anything*..beyond*..one’s own..will..-of/which refusal..automatically..enslaves one..to the..forces of..evil...empowerd.

We/must..*ultimately..CHOSE*..
to..WHAT*..we wish-to..belong>>..[what..to/give..[ENERGY}..too.]

by..giving..aid/comfort..*[help]..to..*either God..[good]..
or*..the materialistic..ego-self..[referred to..as]..a d*evil.”>>..

our thoughts*..are*..pure*energy
[E*..food]..that..feed angels..or..feed's..demons..
both*..are involved in..'self=talk;..[internal-networking..;IN-spi-ration]

bacteria*..talk..via chemicals
http://www.google.com.au/url?q=http://www.ted.com/talks/bonnie_bassler_on_how_bacteria_communicate.html&sa=U&ei=GHL_UbTaD8bGkQW-64DIAg&ved=0CDQQtwIwBw&sig2=IMEufBCWYC1e4VfVxlYtfQ&usg=AFQjCNG_7Q2C1w_OUfeniWLnVK72nK8xvA

Motivational Interviewing..is a collaborative,..
goal-­oriented..method of communication..*with particular/attention..to the..language*..of change.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:IZYTpEm2_CAJ:http://www.motivationalinterview.org/Documents/1%2520A%2520MI%2520Definition%2520Principles%2520%26%2520Approach%2520V4%2520012911.pdf%2Bself+talk+l+is+spirit+communication&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&client=firefox-a&gws_rd=cr&hl=en&ct=clnk

It is designed..to strengthen an individual’s motivation
for*..and movement..toward..*a specific goal..by eliciting and exploring the person’s 'own'..[internal]..arguments for change.

The “Spirit”
of..*Motivational*Interviewing

*MI is more than the use..of a set of technical interventions.

It is..characterized..by a particular.."spirit”..
or..clinical..“way of being”..which is..the context..of interpersonal relationship..within/which..the techniques..are employed.

The spirit of..MI..is based on three key elements
:..collaboration..between the therapist and the client;..
evoking..evolving/progressing..or drawing out..the*client‘s ideas..about change;..and..*emphasizing..the autonomy..of the client.

then

http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2006/11/how-to-meet-your-higher-self/

Your higher self is you...You..as living ENERGY*..in the ether.
Your higher self..is the real you,..your total soul consciousness.

The you..that is living..here on Earth
is just a projection..[vessel/vehicle/link]..
of the consciousness*..of your higher self...with ego[id]

Your higher self..is the more complete you,
the one..that isn’t being frustrated..by the veil..that draws down upon us..when we incarnate..*that causes us..*to forget where we came from...indeed where we wish to go..*to.

Before you incarnated,..*your higher self
got together..with some spirit guides..[guilds/societies]..and basically said,..“Will you watch over me..when I incarnate?

I’d particularly..like your help..to accomplish X.”

HS..gets all your guides together,..explains the plan
and how they will be able..to help you,..and then prepares to cast a portion..of its consciousness..onto Earth...
Posted by one under god, Monday, 18 November 2013 6:39:18 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
[simply..by..'being*enthralled]'
you may*..have..weighted..this..declaration..with/starry*eyes"..
thus..not..be..actively..on guard..or..suspicious..but..

*as..his..words/are...a gospel..*truth

lets proceed..

Quote:<<“Possession...is not.an accident.
In..becoming possessed,..the victim ..*must*/at..least..in some way,..cooperate*with..or..sell out..to/the..miss-creations..d-evil.”>>

i use..evil*relatively/speaking..
you..allowed..a thought..OTHERS*..opinion..
*to..become..injuriously true..[real]..for you.

[see previous/yu quote]..as in the usa thing..
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15301#264702
when..that is..only a potentially..hurtful/fear inducing..negative *voice

IE>>..negative..*self-talk
see page 98..or 90?..after-previous/page..link
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=nx0ZYrhgwN8C&pg=PA94&lpg=PA94&dq=self+talk+l+is+spirit+communication&source=bl&ots=WdKBDQax05&sig=s2xrYC-smThc06x2PlgC02GO2Gc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GHL_UbTaD8bGkQW-64DIAg&ved=0CDAQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=self%20talk%20l%20is%20spirit%20communication&f=false

yes..the world..IS*..conflicted..etc
[recall jesus/saying..*this..*IS satans/realm
to..explain..recall..i quoted/partly..earlier

Quote:<<..HS..gets all..*your guides*together,..explains
the..plan..and how..*they will/be..able..to help..*you,..and
then..prepares..*to cast..a portion..of its..collective-consciousness..onto..the/Earth...

and..thus..NOW>>*here
we are*..now..what?>>

what..was going../to..be..was from
http://people.wku.edu/charles.smith/wallace/S118A.htm

but*13.th/sperm

plus/god/heaven..being fair..[ie/the..downwards..hs projection..
to..establish..*a earthly-soul..*MUST be*..matched..with.an/equal.. but*..opposing*projection'..[from/hell]..to..form..a soul/body*form..

this leading..up to..the ,matriarchal-fertility window..
which..when successful..becomes..that incarnation[being]...
that forms..the..ego-verification..[as/field-test/enactment]

[request's..granted..embodiment..established..being..in process
and..the grey-streak..appears..and..the new/life..continues.

but..by/the-duelity..of..being[as/polar opposites].
[is..of itself.necessary to establish..human [mind-talk]..that builds/soul..into..its..material form[you]

thing is..freewill/equality/truth..is all..vitally..important
as/we live..thus..we..EACH/bring..a little..of heaven/with us..and a little..of..hell..[as well]..none..exists..sans this.

the /*two[parts]..in time
fold/together..[along]..the..midline?
[noting..the/cleft palate..is the..symptom..of incomplete
simpatico-joining..no doubt..to remind..some..of mosus eating..a hot coal]..for..the more..silent..of..the prime-societies..from..*each true*realm

we..ALL..fell..into..this..earthy..[satans-realm]
the*higher-court..to settle..with knowing..[real/knowledge].. age-old..spiritual-disputes....

where..in/the end
YOU JUDGE..(*YOUR*..HIGHER?
and..thus..thy LOWER..SELVES*..simply
via..the life..choices.WE CHOSE to live..[real-ize]

one of ..the major roles..of/the scientist
is..to view,*..analyze,..and begin*..to understand..the laws governing*..the manifestation*..of life..on..the physical-plane..

and*..other planes,..too,
but..for now..I will confine..my comments..to the physical-plane.

I will..try to describe..how*..supra-divine forces..in-fluence..
and govern..physical-matter..and..how..the ideas..of the Creator.. move**into the..mind..inbto..the finite..worlds..of physical-manifestation.

I think..I..will begin there,
and..then..we can proceed onto..other topics.
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15301#264702

edited..Let’s begin,then,
with..the premise*..that the work..of a scientis —
and this..was certainly true for me—[einstein]....is involved..
in..understanding..these laws..[this]..requires/a willingness..to look*.at them..in a fuller*perspective..than..many scientists do.

The truly/successful..scientists..are those..who take into
account*..something..more*/than..what is..occurring physically..they also .take into account..the divine..perspective...[allaccesed by holyspirit..linked tocloud-meta-mind.

Not too..many..do this,..however.

In fact,..very..few scientists..take into account
the divine/perspective..of..physical manifestation...

Most of them focus..only on ..the physical aspects..and do not
even..try/to understand..meta-physicly..*why..there is physical-existence..and..what*physical life..means..in the..greater scheme/of things.

Question:Well,..why is..there physical-existence?

Answer:edited..so that life..can gain..the experience..
in manipulating..and dealing..in denser-matter/mortality.

edited

In..the same way,..the life..of God
is thrashing about..in physical-matter.

The concept..of perfection..for physical*manifestation..does exist
in*..the mind..of God,..but..what is..*actually..being..manifested.. through..physical *substance..*is less....than perfect...

yet..It..is moving..toward*perfection.

New ideas..arise,..in..every field..of human/endeavour,..
every year...every moment..Some..are worthwhile,..some are not.

Most are..just variations..or..*opinions of..others-ideas
that have..already been..enunciated...YET..they pile one..on
top/of another,..contributing more..*to the mass of human-thought..rather/THAN*..to..any/real-knowledge..*or..to..its quality.!*!..or goodness..

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15301#264702
Posted by one under god, Monday, 18 November 2013 7:28:49 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Every..loving thought..held in..*ANY part..(of/the Sonship)..
belongs..to every..other-part...It is*shared..BECAUSE it..is loving.

the,,fullfillmeant..of the true-idea.
Sharing..truth..is God’s..way of..positive..creating,..and also YOURS...Your*ego..can keep you..in exile..FROM the Kingdom..by..ego-disillusioned-fears..false-promises,[miss-creations]..but..in the E"ternal-Kingdom..itself..it has no..true-power.

You have..become willing..to receive my messages..as I give
them,..without interference*..by..your-ego,..so we..can clarify
an earlier point..which was mentioned..before...

We said that/you will..one day teach..as much as..you learn,
and that..sure knowing..will keep you..in balance.[the first..must be..the last].

The time..is now,.because you..have
let it be..until..*now...*You cannot..learn..EXCEPT by teaching.

I heard..one voice..only..because I had learned
that learning..is attained..only..BY teaching.

I understood..*that..I COULD NOT ATONE..FOR MYSELF..*ALONE.
Listening..to one voice..MEANS the will..to share..the
voice..is..to hear..*it..with-in..yourself.

The-mind..that was..in me..is still irresistably drawn to
every mind..*created by God,..because..*God’s wholeness..IS
the full recollrection..[re-flection]..the wholeness.of his Son.

Turning..the other cheek..does NOT mean
that..you should submit to..violence..without protest.
It means..simply..that you..beyond..ego..cannot..be hurt,..and
do..not want..to show your brother*..anything..except your..[joint]..wholeness...lies..in..peace..WITH_IN..gods*good peace..alone.

Show him..of ego..that he..CANNOT hurt you,
and..that..you..hold nothing..at-all..against him,
nor..that..you hold it..against yourself.!.

Teaching..is done..in many ways,..by formal means,
by guidance,..and above*..all BY..EXAMPLE.

If you..will to learn,..to live..it
you MUST.will to teach.[the idea..grows..only by sharing..its eternal fruits..

Teaching..is therapy because..it means..the sharing..of ideas,
*and..the awareness[presence..of-mind]..that..to share them..is to strengthen them.

The union..of the Sonship..IS its..own..loving-protection.
The ego..cannot prevail against..the Kingdom..*BECAUSE..it is united, and..the ego..of divided-,mind..fades away..

and is undone..in the /presence..of the/attraction..of..the
parts of the Sonship..which hear the call..of/the Holy Spirit..to be as One.

I cannot..forget..my need to teach..what I have learned
which arose..in me BECAUSE I..too..learned it.[and earned..it].

I call upon..you to teach..what you/have learned, because
by..so doing YOU can..learn..the sure knowing..that you..can/depend on it.

*Make it dependable..in my name,..because
my name..is the..name of God’s..Sun...What I learned
I give..you freely,..and the mind..which was/in me..rejoices..as YOU will..more..to hear it.

The Holy Spirit..atones..betwixt..and between..in all of us
by UNDOING,..miss-creations..miss-perceptions..prejudice..and..thus lifts..the burden you*..have placed.*in your mind.

By following Him.. He leads you..
beyond..ego-selfhoods..back to God..[good]..where you/belong.
And..how can you find..this way..except by taking..your brother with you?

My part in the Atonement..is not complete
until YOU..join it,..and..even..more..give it..away..
by..mood..or by rote..by work/word..constructive-concept..or mere-idea.
Posted by one under god, Monday, 18 November 2013 8:16:47 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
You..will..forsake..of..yourselves..and
your God..if you..forsake..any of YOUR brothers.
You..are..far..more..than..just..your brother’s keeper.

In fact..you do not..WANT to..keep him...yet..You must learn
to see him..as he is,..and KNOW..that he..beyond..his station [ego]..belongs to God,..just..as much..as as you do.

How..could you treat..your brother..better than
by..rendering,..back..unto God..the things..which are God’s?

Ideas..do not..LEAVE the mind..which thought them
in order..to have..separate being...Nor do separate/thoughts conflict..with one/another..in space,..nor time..because they*do not occupy..any/place..in time..space at all.

HUMAN ideas..can conflict in content,..because..they occur at different..sensory/levels,..and include opposite..thoughts at the SAME level.

*IT IS IMPOSSIBLE..TO SHARE
the duality..of OPPOSING..THOUGHTS...within..its current-frame..of reference..

The Holy Spirit..does not..LET.you forsake..your brothers.
[heck..you..cant..allow..yourself..to..either.

Therefore,.you*can..really share..only the parts..of
your thoughts..*which are..*of Him,..which..He also keeps/for..YOU.

And..of such..is..like..the Kingdom..of Heaven.
All the rest..remains with/you..until He/has re-interpreted
them in..the light of..the/knowledge..of..the eternal-Kingdom,..making them,too,...worthy of being/shared.

When they..have been..sufficiently purified,.He..lets you/
give..them away...The/will..to share/them..IS..their purification.

The Atonement..gives you/the power..of a healed mind,
but the power..to create..is of/God...Therefore,..those who
have been..fore-given..must devote themselves..*first to healing,
because..having RECEIVED..the idea..of healing..they MUST*..*give it to*hold it.

The full/power..of creation..(creating).cannot be expressed
as long as..any*of God’s ideas..are/withholding..it..from the Kingdom.

The joint will...*of ALL..the Sonship..is the only creator
that..can create..like the Father../.That is because..only the complete/good..can think completely..good,..and..the thinking of God lacks..nothing.

Everything..YOU think..that is not
through..the..grace/mercy..of..Holy Spirit..IS lacking.

How can you..who are..so Holy suffer?
All your past. except its beauty,..is gone,.and
nothing..is left..except a blessing.

You can indeed..depart in peace,..because..I have loved
you..as I loved myself...You go..WITH my blessing..and FOR my blessing.

Hold it..and..share it,..that it may..always be ours.
I place the peace..of God..in your heart,..and..in your
hands,..to hold and share.

The heart..is pure..to hold it,..p[ure.
and the..hands are..strong..of will..to give it.
We cannot lose.

My judgment is..as strong as..the wisdom of God,..in whose Heart and
Hands..we have our being..His quiet children..are His blessed sons.

The Thoughts..of..that..love/good..
of God..are..ever..with you...who..love good.

[not well..but/good..of/god.]
Posted by one under god, Monday, 18 November 2013 10:36:43 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Perhaps..this will become..clearer..and more
personally meaningful..if the ego’s..*use of/guilt..is clarified.

The ego has..a purpose,..just as..the Holy/Spirit has.
The ego’s..*purpose is/FEAR,..because only..the fearful can be egotistic.

The ego’s logic..is as impeccable..as that/of..the Holy Spirit, because..your mind has..all the means at..its disposal to side..with Heaven..*or earth,..as it elects...[via freewill..coice.

But..let us again remember..*that both*..potentialities..are in you.
In Heaven..there is no guilt,..because the Kingdom..
is attained through the Atonement,..which creates it..in you.

The word..“create”..is appropriate here,..because
once..that YOU..have made..[mis-created]..is undone..by the Holy Spirit,..the blessed..remainder/residue..IS restored,.and therefore
continues ..on..in creation.

What is..truly blessed..is incapable of..giving rise..to guilt,
and must..thus..give rise to joy...[of causal-acceptance]..

This makes it..invulnerable..to the ego,
because..its peace..via atonement..is unassailable.
It is invulnerable to disruption BECAUSE it is whole.

EG0-based/Guilt..is always disruptive...Anything that..engenders fear
is divisive,..*because it[ego]..obeys..the law of division.[the precurser..tofear].

If..the ego is..the quint-essential..symbol..*of
the separation,..it is also..*the symbol is..embodiment..of guilt.
Guilt..is more..than merely..*not of God...It is..the symbol of the ATTACK..on God.

This is..a..totally meaningless concept
*EXCEPT to.the ego, b..ut do not..underestimate
*the em-power-ment of..the ego’s..ruling/belief..in it.

This is..the belief..from which..ALL guilt really stems.
The ego..IS the part of..the mind which..*believes in division.

But..how can..one/part of God..detach itself..
WITHOUT..it..believing it..is attacking..th every essence..[reason..of being..of Him.?

We spoke before..of the authority/problem..as involving.the concept of..USURPING..*His power.[The ego..really..believes that..this is
what..YOU did,..because it believes..*it IS you.

It follows,..then,..that..if you identify..WITH the
ego,..you..*MUST perceive yourself..as guilty...[bur only ego..accuses..AND JUDGES.

Whenever..you respond to..your ego,..you WILL
experience guilt,..and you WILL..fear..retributive/punitive..punishment.

The ego..is quite literally..just..the..fearful thought.
And..however ..*ridiculous..even..the mere/idea..of attacking
good/God..may be..to the sane mind,..*never forget..that the ego is NOT SANE.

It.REPRESENTS a..delusional..evolutionary..animal/beastly..remnant/system,.and it..speaks FOR it...[it is the tribe//or herd..or flock..mind]..

Listening..to the ego’s..voice..drives,,tortoise to follow the moon..to find the sea..guides the birds flying north..tell us the right mate[its all..accessed..by cloud-mind/faction.. [herd]..mind.

MEANS..that you believe..it is..possible
lol..to attack God.[just as the beastly dog
attacks..even..a raging-wild-bull.[herd-mind
[natures nurture]..[see holy spirit][beast-mind]

You believe..that a part..of Him..has
been..torn away by YOU...but..its like..a slave willing his freedom.

then what..here is a clue..just ask?
now who you ask..thats the clue..to..you.

from..134
http://miraclevision.com/acim/urtext/acim-urtext-2003-upe-ready-edition.pdf

once Armageddon././begins..there wont..be more.
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 19 November 2013 12:26:35 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
beast-mind..evolved..into..ego-mind-fullness
fueled..by the energies..energized..by the ego..[beast-mind]..demands

Theclassic p..icture..of fear..[of external-retaliation,,initiated
from without..then follows,..because the/severity of the..guilt..is so acute..that it MUST be..projected...outwards.

Although..Freud..was wrong..about the basic..ego-conflict itself,
he was..very accurate..in describing its effects...Whatever you
accept..*INTO..your mind..has reality..for you.

*It is,..however,..only..the minds
ACCEPTANCE..which..makes ego..demand..it real.

As an extreme...example of dissociation..yourself,
you..should have little/trouble in..understanding that
it is..perfectly possible..*not to ACCEPT..[as valid]..
or reliant..of that..what IS..reflected..upon..in your minds.

If you..enthrone/the..ego..in it,..the..mere/fact..that
you have*..accepted it,..or allowed it..to enter,..has..of itself..[the-act]..MAKES IT/YOUR..REALITY.

call..it unintended..con-sequence..[collateral/damage]
your..acceptance..allowed*..[created]..the miss-creation

This is..because..the mind/as God..created it
IS capable..of 'creating'..its own..reality.

We said.before..that..you/must..learn to..think
WITH God's..good truths/grace/mercy/knowledge.

To think..WITH Him..is to think/LIKE Him.
to be..like him..begin..by loving..truth..loving..
the logic..of light..sustaining..life..that..the light..reveal..only that..good/true..[due..2..all..of you].

This..engenders joy,..not guilt,
because it is..the natural...inherent..it nature and nurture.

Guilt../fear/hate/envy..loneliness..is a sure sign
that your/thinking is Unnatural...thus inthe miss-creating phase.

Perverted thinking..will ALWAYS*..be attended with
guilt,..fear/hopelessness..because it*..IS..the belief in sin.

The ego..does not perceive sin...as a lack of love.
It perceives it..as a POSITIVE ACT..OF/ASSAULT.

often..instantly..on-any issue
often..only see-able.,.by self-judgments.

This is..an interpretation..of ego..which was necessary
in primitive/survivalist..times....essential..[then]..to its survival,..because..*as soon as..*YOU regard it..as a LACK,..you will automatically attempt..to remedy the situation.

fight..or flight[survival reflex
others are..the mind..simply shuts down..[literally faints]
[goes..to/sleep..as..the ego..[herd-mind..-[heard-mind]..takes flight.

And you..will also succeed...The ego regards this
as doom..[nothingness][end],..but YOU..must learn to regard..it as
freedom.

The guiltless..mind..cannot suffer.
Being sane,..it heals the body..because IT has been/healed.

The sane mind..SIMPLY*..cannot conceive of illness,
because..it cannot conceive of..attacking/anything or anyone.

We said before..that illness..is a form of magic.
It might/be better..to/say it is..a form..of magical SOLUTION.

The ego believes..that by punishing..
[its/only acceptable..victim..].*ITSELF,..
it will/mitigate..the..[NON_EXISTENT}..punishment of God.

Yet even..in this it..is arrogant.
It attributes..to God..*a..punishing attempt,
and..then takes..over this..ERRANT*..intent..as its OWN prerogative.[pejorative]..

It tries to/usurp..ALL the functions of God..[as it perceives
them],..because it..recognizes that..only total/allegiance..can be trusted...historically..by herd-mind..re-collection..[beast memory]

The-ego..cannot OPPOSE..the laws/of God,
anymore..than..YOU can...*But it..can/INTERPRET*..them
according..to what..*it-wants,..just..as/easy..as YOU..now can.

That..is why..the-question
“what DO.you want”..must-be..answered.
*You..ARE answering it.,.*every minute..and/every second,..

and..in/each moment..of *decision..
is a judgment..which is..anything/BUT ineffectual.
Its effects..will follow/automatically..UNTIL THE..*DECISION IS CHANGED.

This..is/a..redundant-statement,
because..you have/NOT..learned it.

But again,..any decision..can-be
Unmade*..as well..as made.

But remember..that..the ALTERNATIVES..are unalterable.
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 19 November 2013 3:21:11 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
The..Holy-Spirit,..like the
ego,/is..the front/of-mind]..decision.

Together..they constitute..*all the alternatives..which your
mind..*CAN accept..and obey...The ego..and..the Holy/Spirit..are the ONLY choices..which are/open.to you.

God*created one,
and..so..*you cannot..eradicate it.

*YOU..*made/the other,..so you CAN
yet/Only..what God..creates..is irreversible..and unchangeable.

What YOU have made..can always be*changed,..because when
you..do/not..think LIKE God.. you have..not really..any..true-thought at all.

Delusional ideas..are NOT thought..but you CAN
think..that you believe..in them...But you are wrong.

The function of thought..comes FROM God.*and is IN God.

As/part of HIS thought,
you cannot think..APART from Him.

Irrational thought
is..a thought/DISORDER.

God Himself orders your thought,
because your thought..was created BY*..Him.

Guilt feelings are always a sign..that you do not know this. They also show that you..believe..you CAN think..apart from God,.[and WANT to.]

Every thought disorder..is attended by guilt.at its inception,
and MAINTAINED..by/guilt in its continuance...Guilt is inescapable for those..who believe that they order..their*...OWN thought,..and must therefore obey its..ego/[herd-mind]..orders.

This makes..them feel RESPONSIBLE/for..their mind ERRORS, without recognizing..that by ACCEPTING..this responsibility..they/are already..really reacting..Irresponsibly.

If the sole responsibility..of the miracle-worker is to
accept the ATONEMENT,..and I assure you that it is,/then the responsibility for what is..atoned FOR CANNOT..be yours.

This contradiction..cannot BE resolved
except by accepting..the solution of undoing.

You WOULD be..responsible for the effects of all
your wrong thinking..IF IT COULD NOT..BE UNDONE.

The purpose of the Atonement is to save
the past..in PURIFIED form only.

If you accept the remedy..FOR a thought-disorder,
and a remedy/./whose efficacy is beyond/doubt, how can its symptoms remain?

You have reason to question..
the validity of symptom/cure.

*But NO ONE believes..that the symptoms..can remain
if..the underlying CAUSE is..*removed.

The CONTINUING will..[of beast-mind/ergo-ego]..to remain
separated//is the only possible reason..for continuing/injurious..guilt feelings.

We have said this before,..but we did not..*emphasize
the destructive results/of this decision..at that time.

ANY decision of..the mind..will affect.both behavior AND
experience. ..And what you will..*you EXPECT.

This is NOT delusional.
Your mind DOES/create your future,..and CAN
turn it back..to full creation..at any minute,..*IF IT ACCEPTS
THE ATONEMENT FIRST.
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 19 November 2013 3:55:06 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
It will also turn back to full creation the instant it has done so.
Having given up its thought DISORDER, the proper ordering of thought becomes quite
apparent.

God in His knowledge is not waiting.
But His Kingdom IS bereft while YOU wait.

All/the Sons of God are waiting..for your return,
just as YOU..are waiting for THEIRS...Delay/does not matter in eternity,..but it IS tragic..in time.

You have elected to be in time rather/than in eternity, and have therefore changed..your belief..in your status...But election is both free and alterable...You do NOT belong..in time.

Your place is ONLY..in eternity,
where God Himself..placed you forever.
Guilt feelings..are the PRESERVERS..of time.

They induce fears..of FUTURE retaliation..or..abandonment, and thus ensure..that the future..*will remain like..it was..the past...This IS the/ego’s[animal-mind]..perceived..as means..of continuity,..and gives it..a false sense of security..through the belief that..you cannot..escape from it.

But you can and MUST. God offers you
the continuity..of eternity in/exchange.

When you will to make this exchange,..you will simultaneously exchange guilt..for peace,..viciousness for love,..and pain for joy.

My role..is only to unchain
your will..and..set it free...Your egos cannot accept this
freedom,..and will oppose..your free decision..at every possible moment,..and in every/possible way.

And as its maker,..you KNOW what it..can do,..because
you..GAVE IT[ego-mind].the/ability/and means/way..to..do it.

..The mind does..indeed know its power,..because
the mind..does indeed..*know God...Remember the Kingdom always,
and remember..that you..who are part of it..cannot B..E lost.

The beast-mind that was..in me..IS in you,
for God creates..all..with..equally-perfect fairness.

Let the..Holy Spirit's presence..remind you always..of His fairness, and..let me..teach you how to share*..it with your brothers...How else..can the chance..to claim it..for yourself be given you?

What you do not understand..is that..the two voices
speak for..different interpretations/of the same thing simultaneously,one/loud..the other soft...one..gets lost.

or rather..they..speak..*almost simultaneously,..
for..the ego..[beastly-reactive/mind]...*always speaks-first.
your..ancestral-survival..used to depend..on..it..[then..it..thge quick..or the/dead.
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 19 November 2013 5:56:21 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Alternate..interpretations..[where..gods/goodness..
has..become..miss-creations..of men]..are unnecessary..

until the..first one..has been made,
and...speaking itself..was unnecessary..before the ego..was made.

The ego..speaks in..absolutes..in egoist-judgment,
and..the Holy Spirit..reverses..ego's decisions..

much as the Supreme Court..has the power to*reverse..the
lower courts decision..about the laws..of this world.

The ego’s *decisions..are ALWAYS wrong,..because they..are
based on..a complete..seperation/fallacy..which they are..made to uphold.

*NOTHING it perceives..is interpreted correctly.
Not only..does it cite scripture..*for its..own/instinctive-advantage/purpose,..but it even/interprets scripture..as a witness/for itself.

The Bible..is a fearful thing..to..the ego,
because..of..its..imagined..pre*judiced..judgment.
Perceiving..biblical-judgments..as fearful,..it interprets it..that..of the word..fearfully.

ergo..ego..Having made*..YOU afraid,..
why..you do not/appeal..any fear..to the higher court,..
it cannot..find..against..you..because you miss-percieve..mis-believe..in..the justness..of its judgment..ever..could be..found..AGAINST you.

We need site..only a few examples..to see how..the beastly-
herd/mind-ego’s interpretations..have mislead..you...

A favorite ego quotation..is

“As ye sow,..so shall ye reap.”

Another..ego/mind..favorite..fear..mechanism..is “Vengeance is
mine sayeth the Lord.”..Still another is..“I will visit the sins of the fathers..unto the third and..the fourth generation.”..And also, “The wicked shall perish.”

There are..many others,..in..all holy/texts..but..if you will..let the Holy Spirit..reinterpret these..*in its own light,..they will/suffice.

“As ye sow,..so shall..ye reap”
merely means..that what..you believe..to be worth
cultivating..in ..other.you will..seek..to..cultivate in yourself.

Your*..own.judgment..of what..is worthy
DOES..make it/worthy..for you.

“Vengeance..is mine..sayeth..the Lord”
is easily explained..if you/remember..that ideas
increase*..*only..*by being shared.*....This quotation
therefore..emphasizes..the fact/that vengeance*..CANNOT..be shared.

Give it..fully..therefore..to the/holy-spirit,
who will..undo it..completely..in you..simply..because
it does/not..BELONG..*in..your mind,..[which..is a/part of God.]

“I will visit..the sins of..the fathers
unto..the third..and fourth generation,”.as interpreted
by the ego,..is particularly vicious...It is used,..in fact,..as
an attempt..to guarantee its survival/beyond itself.

Actually,..all it really means..is that..the Holy
Spirit..in later generations./retains/the power..to interpret CORRECTLY..what*..former generations..*have thought,..and thus
release..*THEIR thoughts*..from the ability/to..produce fear ANYWHERE in..the Sonship.

“The wicked..shall perish”..is merely
a statement..of fact,..*if..the word..“perish”..
is properly/understood...Every*..love*less..thought..*MUST_be undone, and..even the word..“undone”.is/fearful[to the ego],..which interprets..“I am undone”..as/if.“I am..destroyed.”

The ego..will-NOT..be destroyed,..because it is
part of..YOUR thought...logus..But..because..it is
uncreative,..and..therefore unsharing,..it WILL be..reinterpreted entirely,..to release..you..from fear*.

The part of..your..thought/processing..which you have given
TO..the ego..will merely return to the/Kingdom,..where your..whole loud/proud/cloud..herd-mind BELONGS.
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 19 November 2013 7:39:39 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
The ego..is..a form..of ARREST,[stasis]..
but..this.belayed/arrest..is..merely-fear..biased/delay..mechanism

more-over..It does/NOT..involve..the concept...of police..at all, although;the ego..welcomes..that overt/fear-inducing..interpretation.

[fear-fight/flight]..herd-instinct..
just..the sort/of..base_emotion..the ego..specializes in

You..[ergo-ego]..CAN delay..the/completion..of..the Kingdom ,
but..you CANNOT..introduce..the/concept of..good..of god..and add..ASSAULT..into*it...[thats..mindful/mis-creation]...

When..I said “I am..come..as..like..a light..come..into..the world,”..

I..surely came..to*share..what..this
light/with-in..you...reveals..to you.

Remember..the.-symbolic-reference..we made..before..to/the
ego’s-dark-glasses,..and..remember*also..that..light removed
the dark..(lifts..up..the dark-veils)..[removes the blinders..from thyne eyes]..see the light reveals both planks and splinters.

but..*removes/them..COMPLETELY*..via..the atonement
which/simply..melts*them/away...as if..they never-were
and..the true-seeing..of truth..being seen..increases..the idea..into..true-knowing.

recall..that/we said..“Do/not..look*there.”
It..is still..true that..“Where you..look..to/find..yourself..
is up to you.”..but..to look..*for the mis-creation..this..too..is sure..to fail.

The Higher-Court..will/not..condemn you...It will..merely
dismiss_the case..against you...There..can BE..no case..against a child..

and every..witness..to guilt..[they]..perceived..through..the dim/dark-veils..of..God’s..own/creations..[mis-creations]..is bearing false/witness..to..God Himself.

god..himself..is pure/true/good.
thus must..his.childrens..dirt..be/'washed clean..only
by...the better..of gods goods truths..loves..graces/mercies [true..atonement-truth*].

Appeal..to..your/fat-her..4..everything..that..you believe*..good/true..[apply]..gladly..to God’s-own Higher Court,..because it*alone..speaks...for*Him,..and..therefore god..speaks truly.

It WILL..dismiss..the case..against you,
however ..carefully/YOU have..[mis-created]..mis-built it.
The case..may..appear..to be._fool-proof,..but it_is/NOT..God-proof.

The voice..for/God..will/not hear..of it..at all,
because..it..can only..witness/TRUTH*../truly...[death..where..isthy sting]?

Its verdict..will..always be..
“Thine is..the Kingdom,"..because..it was..*given you..to remind you..of what..*you...ALL-ARE...always..were*[works..in-process]

Your..patience..*with each-other..is exactly
like..your patience..with..your selves...Is*not
a_child of..God..worth..one completed..*patience?

I have..shown/you..infinite patience,..because my
will..IS..that of..our/Father,..from whom..I learned..of infinite patience.

His..good/living/loving..voice..*is..ever..with/in..thee and
me,..as it is..with..and in..ALL*..you too,..

softly..speaking..for patience..towards..the all..
of..the Sonship,..as*one..in the..*name of*..its Creator.

What you..need to/learn..now..is that....only infinite
eternal-patience..CAN produce..the EVER..immediate effects.[even..now].

This is the way in..which a mere-life/time..one..
is exchanged..for..the eternity...lof all life lineslived out in their own time-line.

like..fine wine..layed to rest..
till..its best..alone remains..the best of the rest test.

Infinite patience..calls upon infinite Love,..and by
producing results.*NOW..[the ever present living eternal moment..renders time..[linear logic]..unnecessary.

infinite*..infinite's..yet exist..even in timelessness.

To say..that time is temporary..*is merely redundant.
We have repeatedly said that time*is a learning device which will be abolished..when it is no longer useful.

The WHoly Spirit,..who speaks for God..in time,
also knows..that time is meaningless...He reminds you
of this..in every..passing moment..of time,..because it/is His
special-function..to return YOU..*to..eternity..and remain..to bless YOUR*.creations there.

..He is the only blessing..you can truly
give,..because His..present..presence..is so truly blessed.

And because He is...ever being given...unto you..so freely by..God,..you must..give Him..freely..just/'as you..received Him.
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 20 November 2013 8:11:12 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
<People..are Herd Animals..[mobs/globs/snobs]
<Reason..vs...Instinct[ego]=heard*

hear/here*
http://www.churchofreality.org/opinion/herd.htm

<Has..the/World..gone-Insane?

<<We humans..like..to think/of ourselves..as beings
of reason..and logic...We like/to believe..that..we/have."common sense"..and..that/a..reasonably*intelligent..and..sane person wouldn't/likely..do something..

or believe..something..that he..or she knows
or should know..is..stupid...[useless/fear/based*biased\dark-glasses distortion]

<<Nonetheless..we see..examples/everywhere..where people..do things
and..believe things..that are far*..below their/capacity..for logic and..reason...We look/around..and say..to ourselves,.."People..can't really/be..that dumb!"..

yet..every-day..they/WE*..continue..to_be..that dumb?

<<the answer..as/to..why people*
per-form..WELL..below/their intellectual-capacity...

The..answer is..*that people..*are..*herd*animals,..and that..when..aberrant-behavior..*is viewed..in relationship
to..the herd_mind,..a lot..of things..can be.explained..*and..their under-lying.. truths..finally..be/understood.

<<..In order..to multitask/your..brain..I..will
create..a series..of different-voices..*in..your mind..and..give them names.

<<As..I create..these/voices,..you*will..*hear*..them talking.
Each-0voice...*WILL-have..a different-tonal..quality..*so/as to distinguish..them..from..*the/other-voices.

<<As.you read..these/words,..a voice..*is..speaking..*them..*to you..[into..your mind]...

*We will..call/that..vocal-thread,.."The*..Reader".

<<As you..read these words..*the Reader..creates..a voice
in..your_mind..which you imagine*..[visualize].,.as..my voice talking to..you

<<..The second..voice will-be..the*voice of.."The Critic"
which will..be your..ego/beast..mind-voice...

As you..read my..words here..and.*hear..my voiced..
word-imagery..into..mind/pictures..in.your head,..you will hear..your..own..voice..in..your head..talking*back..even interrogating..word/pictures..[imagry]..back...to me

<<..The third/thread..of consciousness..will be.."The Feeler".
The Feeler won't..have.*any*voice..*because it..doesn't actually..say anything.

It is..the/emotions..which..you
are experiencing..even..as you read..this.

<<..The only/difference..here is..that you..NOW
are aware..that..what you/are reading..is*..creating..*an emotional thread*[string]..of conscious,*

<<the Feeler,..is emoting..off ene4rgy[sloughs off chi]..in real time that..is coexisting[energizing..bartering[energy/idea sharing]..nett-working]..with at least..two other input/threads,..the Reader,..[ergo].and...the Critic..[ego-mind]..

<<..As the Reader..reads these words,
your..ego-mind..creates a voice,..qualitatively..
unlike..my voice,..which is..speaking..in reply..to you...listening.



As you hear..me talking,[im..replying my balance-
input..as my,re-active with..your emoted..out-put*
by stressing..you call..to you..more..*not*..*of me..
but by loving..you get more..of me..

i..the inner eye..[sans plant..nor splinters]
who only shine..our fathers love/light..upon..
the life time..of the good..you have left forgotten..far behind.

yet..the wholy one..holds them..all
even/beasts..can..will-to/do..good things


u..[you]..the Feeler..reacts to my words..and..by virtue..of
being*created ..react..by emitting[creating]..synchronous..energy [chi]..[emitted]..responsive-emotions..about what..I am saying to you.

these..[the..good emotions]..clear your soul-body-form..from the illusory/hurtful..EMOTED-emissions..that were captured..in yours
and others souls..

that..thus..stains..it..[not sustains..it]..
even..if it wernt..your..own..beastly-ego/mind..of karmic emoting..that stained it...your..obsessive/fixated..emoting attracted..it.

<<The emotions..drive the Critic..to respond to..the Reader that the Feeler..also reacts to...[staining /or/cleansing..our astral/soul-body-form]..

<<If the Feeler..experiences strong*emotions,..it compels the Critic to respond..in a manner so-as..to cause the Feeler..to feel comfortable with itself.

<<What the Critic says..is for the benefit..of the Feeler.

<<I would..now ask you..a question.

In your mind,..is the Critic..a slave..
a beast..ego-mind..*of..the Feeler?

how..can/you..not..ask..higher-mind..the true-question?
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 20 November 2013 9:32:18 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
page138
http://miraclevision.com/acim/urtext/acim-urtext-2003-upe-ready-edition.pdf

The concept..of..“set”..is among
the better..of..the/psychological..percepts...Actually,..it is used
quite..frequently..in the Bible,..and also here,..under many different..definitive-terms.

“God..will keep/him in..perfect peace..him
whose mind..is stayed..(or set)..on Thee..because he..trusteth in Thee.”

The pronouns here..are confusing..without explanation,
and the attempt..to shift..“Thee”..to..“Him”.is a mis-interpretation.

The statement means..that God’s peace..is set[fixed]..in the Holy
Spirit,..because it is..fixed on..the good..of God/set.

It is also..fixed..[fixated]..in you.
affixt..into your soul..You,..then,..ARE fixed..
in the peace..of God.[gods..own..quick-fix][the fix..is in]

The concept..of..“fixation”..is..a very helpful one,
which Freud..yet again..fixated-upon..thus understood perfectly.
Unfortunately,..he lost his..understanding..[fixation-fo-cuss].. because..he was afraid,..

and..as you..know..all too/well,
fear..is incompatible..truth perception..that leads..with good judgment.

Fear DISTORTS thinking,..AS WELL AS..true-seeing and listening
note..carefully..fear makes..the watching child..[the feeler]..emote fear..and therefore..fear..[dark-glass..half empty]..DIS-orders thought.

Freud’s system..of thought..was extremely ingenious,..ONLY..because Freud..himself[the feeler/emoting]..was extremely ingenious.

A mind..MUST endow..its own/thoughts
with its own attributes...and attributions.

This*is..its inherent STRENGTH,..even though
*it may..misuse its power...but..the given-gift..excludes..our/use of it..

Freud..lost much of the..potential value/of his own
thought system because,..much/like Cayce.. he did..*NOT include himself in it.

This IS..a dissociated state,..because the
thinker..cuts himself off..from his..own thoughts/process.
thus allows..nonsense[un-reason]..to-get in..Freud’s thought..was so conflicted..that..he..could not have retained.his sanity..[as HE saw it]..WITHOUT dissociating.

This is why the/many contradictions..which are quite apparent
in his thinking..became..EVER-more..increasingly..*less/apparent..*to Him.

A man..who knows..what fixation..*REALLY means..and does
*NOT yield..to it..is terribly/afraid...Fixation is constance

persistance/stick-to/it-ness]..the pull of God,
on whom your mind..*IS fixed..because of..the Holy-Spirit’s irrevocable mind-set.[obsessively attentive..obsessive precise..

“Irrevocable”..means..“cannot be..called back nor redirected.”

The..irrevocable nature..of the-Holy Spirit’s/set
mind-set/settings..is the basis..for..its unequivocal voice.

The Holy/Spirit..*NEVER changes..its mind.
Clarity of thought..*CANNOT occur..under conditions..of/vacillation.

*Unless a mind ..is fixed..*in its purpose,
it is/NOT clear..in its emoted/emitted setting..of its chi.

But clarity..literally/means the state of light,
and..enlightenment..IS understanding..emmitted/broadcast..free and clear.

It stands..UNDER perception..because you/have denied it
as the..REAL foundation..of..good/true/eternal-thought.

This ego-[beast-mind],fixation..is..the basis..for ALL
delusional..ego/beast mind..absurd-herd/mind..fixt-systems.
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 20 November 2013 10:10:38 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
The concept..of fixation,..[even/spiritual-obsessing]..as Freud saw it,..has a number..of real learning..advantages.

First,..it recognizes that man..CAN be fixated..at an-inspired-point in..development..which..does NOT/accord..with..a point..in perceivable-time.

This clearly..could have been..a means..toward real release
[from..the time belief],..had Freud pursued it..with an open mind. But..Freud suffered..all his/life from refusal..to allow eternity..to dawn[awaken]..upon his mind,..and enlighten..his/idea..truly.

As a/result,..he overlooked..the eternal/present..NOW
this..living moment..entirely,..and merely saw..the continuity of past-continuum..and future...as one..

Second,..although..he misinterpreted..what the/Holy-Spirit
revelation..told him,..or better,the term..is that him/most holy.. reminded/him of,..this living moment..he was too honest..to deny more than he had to,..to keep his fear..in tolerable/bounds,..[as he perceived..the situatio.

Therefore,..he EMPHASIZED..that the..point in..development..at which..the mind is fixated..*is more real..to ITSELF..than the external reality..with which..it DISagrees.

This again..could have been..a powerful/RELEASE mechanism,
had Freud..not decided..to involve it..in a strong defense/system because..he perceived it..as..an attack...

Third,..although Freud..interpreted/fixations..irrevocable
danger/points..to which the/mind..can always regress,..the concept can..also be..interpreted as..an irrevocable call/to..sanity which the mind cannot LOSE.

Freud..saw return ..as a threat ..to maturity because
he/did not..understand prodigality...He merely interpreted..it as squandering.

Actually,..“prodigal”..also means careful.
This confusion..between careful..and careless..led him to
confuse..the escape..from nature/nurture/care...with something ego-desirable.

In fact,..he even went..so far..as to
equate it..quite literally..WITH desire.

But throughout..his thought-system,..the..“threat”..of
fixation..remained,..and could/never..be completely eliminated..by any living human being..anywhere...*Essentially,..this/was the basis of..his pessimism.

This was personally..as well as..theoretically the case.
Freud tried..every means..his very inventive mind..could devise to set*up..a form of therapy/which..could enable..the ego/herd-mind..to escape..from fixation forever,..even though..he KNEW this/was impossible.

The knowledge..plagued his belief..in his own/thought-system..at
every-turn,..because he was both.,.an honest man..and a healer.

He was therefore..only PARTIALLY
insane..at the perceptual level,..and was unable
to relinquish..the hope/of release..even-though..he could/not cope with..even..the visual;isation..of it.

The reason..for this..fulsome..amount of detail
is..because YOU..are..in the same position..

You..*were eternally fixated..on God..*in your..pre-creation,..and..the pull..[draw]..of this fixation..is so strong..inatly..that you..will never..overcome it.

The reason..is perfectly clear....The fixation..is on..a level
that..is so high..[spiritualy/pure].that it..cannot..*BE surmounted.

especialy..not..by miscreations
You..are..ALWAYS being..pulled back
to your..Creator*..because..you belong*in Him.
Do..you REALLY believe..you can make-up..a voice..that..can drown out His/love/grace/mercy?
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 20 November 2013 2:53:06 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
You..the Feeler,..are now..observing/the-0Reader,and..the-Critic
and how..they inter-re-act...You..*are observing..the chain..of events where..

the..Reader says something,
the..Feeler reacts to it,..
the..Critic responds,..

and the Feeler..briefly..feels..something else.
this basic..patern..is how..the beast..are

ok..in-lue of..'a reader'..our beastly brothers..have..emotions/instincts/need/want..group-think

Now..that/you..are aware/of..these..
three-threads..of conscious

and..how..they are processing..
this stream of information..in real time,....

what..is/it..that..*is..being..self-aware?
What..it/is..that's watching..all this?

If.you..are..RIGHT/now*,..*at_this_moment*,
observing..three -threads..of consciousness/simultaneously

then/who..*is..the end/point..self-observer?

The..fourth/thread..of consciousness..
will/be..called.."The-Watcher"...The Watcher/may..or may/not
have..a voice..depending..on..emoting..its re-action..of how/your mind works.

In..my mind..that Watcher..sees*pictures.[[en-visions..the overlay..
of multiple facets..sensory/audibly/visually/even fallacy/fantasy]..

The..way I..experience..it
is..that/the Watcher..sees*..the Reader-s..visualizations..speaking..directly.. to me.

The Critic..is me..listening/seeing/hearing..to the..inputs-Reader speak.[throwing-up/related..imagery/..overlay..before-they fade..

The Feeler..[can..CONSCIENTIOUSLY..hit/replay..its like..someone else's..screaming..6 year old brat..that won't..shut-up..and want's it's..way..all the time.[ergo..awakens/beast-ego]..

watching..all-of..this..is..The/Watcher/recorder[cloud-mind]
like..a..T.V-camera..that's taking..it all down.[and only recording..the good/key/bits..[not..the illusionary preferred/spin..darkness-deceits...

And..it's/all happening..in..a place..that-is..usually..
that..quiet-place where..I-do..my deep/thinking..and/that..best..of me..i..feel-good..about.

Your/experience..may\vary.

The..Watcher..is likened..to..the.."higher-self"..[holy-spirit..
mediating..our/access..to..proud-cloud/mind]...

This..fourth..thread..of conscious..is/that..part-of/you..who..is observing..the other..three..threads/process..this information..into act..or.non-acct..in..real-time.

The/Watcher..is also..self-aware...and
can..watch itself..watching..itself...

It's kind/of..like..defining the word.."Recur-sion"..[the 2 de thought]...in/the dictionary..by saying,.."See Recursion".[same/again/same-same..again..[again]

In addition..to\being*..the/Watcher..and watching..the
other..input threads,..the Watcher..is that/part..that,..facilitates

and..makes decisions..and controls.the/updating..of..the "Master Database"[cloud-mind]..which is..the accumulation..of who *you/are.

It..might be..compared to..the Board of Directors..in..a corporation or..of..the Congress..of/the United-States...Oh\my God!..A Congress in\my brain?..The Feeler..just vomited!

The Watcher..is also..the one/who..determines.."The Prime/Directive" which\are..the guiding-principles..that matter..in*/of..*your life.

It determines..your.."morals"..or.."what..you/believe in".and the..important-principles..and..lessons..that guide..*our life...into..*your..life/purpose.

It integrates..your*..experiences..and..evaluates them
and..gives them*meaning..so as/to create..the pattern.for future decisions.

think..of it like a stage-director..
following the authors designated..role/personality..of the characters..

The patterns for your future/decisions..is what makes-up..*your Master Database...The Master\Database..also..stores information..about decisions..so as to create..a pattern..[character]..of behavior.

The advantage..of storing patterns/of behavior..in your Master Database..is to relieve..your mind..of having/to figure..out
wha. to do..every-time..you face..a situation.

Instead..of going..to the effort of..original-thinking,..
you access the/pattern...That frees up..the Watcher..
so that..it can move on..to new problems.

Remember..it's..so automatic..that you may/not..even remember
That's because..it's stored in..the Master Database.

When..things go/along..as usual,..you are..on cruise control.
But..if something unusual occurs,..something..that is inconsistent with=..the Master Database,..the Feeler..sounds the alarm.

The Feeler..is the thread..of consciousness..that compares the data input streams..with the master database..and creates..the appropriate emotions*..to summon..the mental resources..to deal with/the input that..fails..the plan..in..the master database.

any/error..and

The Feeler..wakes up..the Watcher..indicating
that..an executive decision..is needed..immediately.
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 21 November 2013 7:13:09 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Do..you really..believe..that you can devise..a
thought-system..which can separate..you from His?

Do you/..REALLY believe..that you can plan..for your
individual/safety..and joy..better..than He can?

You need/be..neither careful..nor careless.
You need..merely cast..all your cares/miss-caring..upon Him because
He..careth for YOU.

You ARE..His care..because He loves you...His voice..ever..reminds
you..al-ways..that all hope..is yours..BECAUSE of His care.

You CANNOT choose..to escape His care,
because that..is not..His will...[it is bad..enough..god has..no peer/believe me..you just dont want..to-be eternally/alone.]

But..you CAN/choose..to accept..His care,..and use..the infinite power..of good/truth/logic/love..OF His care..for all/those..He created/BY it..to make..things better..immediately..[now]..for all..your 'others.

There..have been..many healers
who did not heal..themselves...They have not moved
mountains..by their faith..because their/faith..was..not WHOLE.

Some of them..have healed the sick
at times,..but they have not..raised the dead.
note/*..Unless the healer..first..heals HIMSELF,..he does/NOT believe that there..truly-*is..*no order in miracles.

see page13
http://miraclevision.com/acim/urtext/acim-urtext-2003-upe-ready-edition.pdf

Free will does not mean..that you establish..the living-curriculum. It means..only that/you can elect..freely..what to take/when...It is just*because..you are not\ready..to do..what you/should elect..to do that time exists..at all.

if..You will..to*see miracles..
thru..your/hands..thru..my/revelations.

You should..begin each day
with..the prayer

“Help me to perform..whatever miracles
you..want..of me..this-day.”)

1...The first thing..to remember/about miracles
is that..there is..no order\of difficulty..

He..has just..not..fully appreciated..nor..learned..that.*EVERY mind
that/God created..is equally*worthy..of being healed..because GOD CREATED IT..like every-mind..that it become..yet again..holy/WHOLE.

You are asked..merely to return..to God
the mind..as HE created it.[innocent/pure/true/forgiving

He asks..you*only..*for what He gave,..you..freely
the will..of the knowing..that this..true-living/giving..bantering barter*..will heal YOU.

Sanity IS..peaceful..wholeness..at one..as\one..with other.

And the/sanity..of your brothers..IS yours.
you can try..insanity..thus the other insanity..is yours..too.

Why should you listen..to the endless insane calls
which..you think*..are made.*upon you,..*when you KNOW..the voice of God Himself*..is in you?

God commended..His..wholly-Spirit..in-to you,
and asks..only..that you commend..yours..back..in-to Him.

He wills to/keep it..in perfect peace
because you..and i am..are of one mind ..and ..of the one..same/Spirit..with/and..in-Him...just as he is with+in/..HIM*..2.

Excluding..yourself..from/the Atonement..is the\ego’s
last-ditch defense..of its own..se3lf-existence.

It reflects..both..the ego’s/..need ..to separate,
and..your willingness..to de-side with..its..separateness.

This..willingness..means..that YOU DO*NOT..WANT TO*BE HEALED.
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 21 November 2013 7:45:45 AM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
We..have/the..ability..to write/read..and..send/email..and..data
and..its..our/ability..to share-information..which/has..greatly enhanced..our ability..to survive.

But..this shared/knowledge..has-come at..a price.
In/order..or our..bio-logical..genus...to survive,..we have
had/to..surrender part/of..our individuality..for-the..greater-tribal good.

Many..of our-ancestors..fought..and died..for..were
in..wars..for the/survival..of..some/tribal-culture.

Our ability..to survive/as a..tribal-member..has/become..a significant-instinctive..[autonomous]..skill-set..that..is of large..part..of..the..who-of/what..we are..and the..INNATE..cloud/herd-mind/knowledge..we..are born with.

We all..need..the/approval..of..the herd/in order..to have
an ego-sense..of well being..and..to fee.. OK..[at-ease]..about our..other emotive-inputs[selves][threads]...And for/most people..it creates..*great/mental-anguish..*to/be rejected..or disconnected..from=..the herd-mind.

Over/the..centuries...language-skills..have/evolved/developed which allowed individuals..to talk to..each other...by..image/assosiative.. sounds..or aural..sub-sets..of written/sounds..denoted..into word/sound-vibration..that links..like imagery

seeing..a chair..brings..the visualizations..[idea]..of all chairs/into mind..

Because ideas..could be ..communicated,..one individual/could..learn something..new..and pass..that knowledge..on/to..the next person without*..that person..having..to learn/see/hear/smell..it on his own.

Knowledge..could/be passed on..by word/of mouth..allowing..a person's knowledge..to..even..survive*past..his death...in words..of the authors..mindset/imagery..mind-vocalizations..[ideas]..

With/this..new*knowledge..others..could.*build upon
*the work..*of others..and create levels of..text/context..and technology...[in..highert-mind]..far greater..than..any individual..could\create..of/themselves.

No longer..did everyone..have/to..reinvent..the wheel...Because of language,..people could communicate..and work together..[]across time..and there/was..the living..ultimate/true/knowing..shared knowledge..or..tribal-knowledge...via the beast-mind ego.

These..long..held..communication/skills..allowed..those..who could talk*..their ideas..via more permanent/means..were thus willed..to survive better..than those who..could/not talk..and our brains evolved..for/the purpose..of..interpretative-language.

Because..of..perceptive/advantages..of language,..people became dependent..on each other...No longer..were we..truly individuals.

We..all..need each-other..to survive...In a sense..we..each..are part of..a greater..global/bio-organism..in the same way..that bees are part/of..a hive.

The instinct..to be tribal..is so strong..that many/people..will kill themselves..as a..result/of ..actual-separation..from or..rejection/by the herd.

Because..we live in..an advanced society..now..much of/our knowledge comes..from other people...Some of that..*knowledge..is just plain wrong,..*but..because the..ego-herd/mind..thinks..BELIEVES..it's true,..we/are expected..to..believe-it.

After all,..it's..not our nature..to assume..that we,..as individuals,..are smarter..than/the..combination of thousands..or millions..of people..who have..mis-believed..so..many/things..for centuries.

But often..an individual..does discover/a..new truth..or discovers that something..the herd thought..was true..yet..is not true..at all.

When this happens..*real-knowledge..is often lost
because..the individual..submits to..the will of..the herd.

What is..a herd?

A herd..or tribe..is..*any organization..of two..or more/people
who.*come together..for any..higher-purpose...A herd can/be..as small as two people..sharing..an apartment..to..as large..as/all..of humanity.

Most people..belong to..hundreds/of herds..and will
move-in..and..*out of..different herds..throughout/

their lifetimes.

A herd..is any organization..of people..who share..some common function/need/want/will/reason...Herds include..*all religions, governments..at all/levels..including/neighborhood associations, sports fans,..clubs,...political/parties,..chat-rooms,..talk-radio

fans,..Mackintosh owners,..fellow employees,..
Mensans,..hippies, bars,..nerds,..and schools...

AND YES..EACH SPECIES..breed/creed..bird..even seed..
has..its.*own..herd-instinct-mind

Each of..the..many fold/living creations..organ-izations have a set of rules..and common beliefs...qualities/fates..times..The members of the..organizations..*all surrender..part/of..their Master Database to the..herd-could-mind.

The herd-mind..itself/becomes..a living*..organism..much the-same way
as..a hive is..a living organism..of bees...And..in many cases..these tribal/organizations..are as real..or more real..than the individuals that..make them..up.
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 21 November 2013 1:47:41 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Excluding yourself..from the Atonement..is the ego’s
last-ditch..defense of/its..own..existence...It reflects
both the ego’s..*need to separate,..and your willingness to
side with-in..its/lonely-separateness.

This willingness..means that YOU..DO NOT WANT..TO BE HEALED.
When..I told Bill that..there is..“just one-more..thing,”..he heard me very well...[I hope..he will hear/me as well..now.]

His intelligent..mis-hearing..of..“river”..[the..ever/moving-flow]..as “rivet”[fixt..affixed]..showed..that..even though
he..*wanted release,..he was not able..to cope with/it..at the time.

*But..the time..*IS now.
You have/not been..asked to work out..the Plan of Salvation
yourselves,..because,..as I told you before,..*the Remedy..is NOT of your making.

*God/Himself..gave you the perfect correction..for
everything..you have made/which is not in-accord..with His Holy Will.

I have made..His Plan perfectly/clear..and perfectly explicit to
you,..and have..also told you..of your part/in..His Plan..and how urgent..it is that..you fulfill-it.

There..is time for delay,..*but there..*need not be.
God weeps..at the sacrifice..of His/children who believe..they are lost..to Him.

The “one..more thing”..that Bill/must learn is
merely..that he is NOT..the one8..more.,,He is..both
ONE..*and..AT ONE...*If he will..learn this..*NOW,..he will be willing..in accord with..the last judgment,

which is really..only..the Biblical
reminder..of the..inevitability..of self-INCLUSION.

This is what “Physician,..*heal thyself”..really means..
Bill has frequently observed..for HIMSELF that/this is..hard to do. He has,..however,..been perfectly aware..of JUST what..*YOU should do about it.

You might ask him..[for me]..whether he..does not think
he might..be dissociating..*HIMSELF from..*his own awareness,..since he is so clear..about the remedy..*for YOU..You/might also remind him that..to whatever extent*..he separates himself..from you,..he is
separating/himself..from ME.

This IS a collaborative venture.
Let me..therefore return..*his-own ideas..to him,
so that..you can share them..and thus..help each-other..to help me.

But let me..first remind you..of
something..*I told you..myself...that..Whenever you are not
wholely_*joyous,..it is because you have..reacted..with a lack of love,,*to some Soul..which/God created...Perceiving this..as sin, you become defensive..because you..NOW*..EXPECT ATTACK.[miss-apprehension]

The decision to react..in that way,..however,
was YOURS,..and..thus..it..can therefore..be undone.
It..*CANNOT be undone..*by repentance..in the usual sense,..*because this..implies guilt.

If you..allow yourself..to feel guilty,
you will reinforce..the error,..*rather than allowing*..it..to to be
undone..*FOR you...the right..time..first/time..in time..now.[time]
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 21 November 2013 2:16:23 PM
Find out more about this user Visit this user's webpage Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Decisions CANNOT be difficult. This is obvious if you realize that you must ALREADY
have made a decision NOT to be wholly joyous if that is what you feel. Therefore, the
first step in the undoing is to recognize that YOU ACTIVELY DECIDED WRONGLY, BUT
CAN AS ACTIVELY DECIDE OTHERWISE.

Be very firm with yourselves in this, and keep yourselves fully aware of the fact that
the UNDOING process, which does NOT come from you, is nevertheless WITHIN you
because God placed it there.

YOUR part is merely to return your thinking to the point at
which the error was made, and give it over to the Atonement in peace.

Say to yourselves..the following, as sincerely as you can, remembering that the Holy Spirit will respond
fully to your slightest invitation:

I must have decided wrongly..because I am NOT at peace.
I made the decision myself,..but I can also..decide otherwise.

I WILL to decide otherwise.. because I WANT to be..at peace.
I do NOT feel guilty,..because the Holy Spirit will..undo ALL the
consequences*..of my wrong decision..*IF I WILL..LET HIM...[and give up my will..to sin..against other-selves].

I WILL..to let Him..into..my..ego-mind
by allowing Him..to decide..for God..for me...[4/my/sake*]

March 22,1966[jesus]..

The relationship..of anger to attack is obvious,
but the inevitable..association of anger..and FEAR is not always so clear.

Anger ALWAYS involves PROJECTION OF SEPARATION,..which must ultimately..be accepted..as entirely one’s own/responsibility.

Anger cannot..occur..*unless you..really..concieve
the..*belief/..that/you..believe..that you have BEEN..attacked;
and worse...that..the attack..was JUSTIFIED;..and..again..that..
you..are in*..no way responsible..for it.

Given these three wholly irrational premises,..the/equally irrational conclusion..that a brother is worthy of attack..rather than of love follows.

What can be expected from insane
premises..EXCEPT an insane conclusion?

The way to undo..an insane conclusion..is always to
consider..the sanity..of the premises..on which it rests.

You cannot*..BE attacked,..attack HAS no..logical-justification,
and..realize..you ARE..*responsible..for what you believe...You have been asked..to take me..as your model for/learning.

And we have often said..that an..*extreme example
is..a particularly helpful learning-device.

yet..EVERYONE teaches,..*and teaches..all..all the time.
This is..a responsibility*..by..which he/assumes..inevitably, the moment..he has accepted*..as/true..*any premises..at all.

And NO-ONE can..organize..his life..*without ANY thought system.
Once he/has..developed..even..a beast-mind/thought system..of any kind,..UNLESS..he lives.*by it..and TEACHES it...by being..its qualities/qualification.
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 21 November 2013 2:34:27 PM