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Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 29 October 2013 8:24:28 AM
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Freud gave..a very graphic..but..inverted/upside-down account
of how the divisions of the..mind arose.from the bottom UP. Actually,..this is impossible,..because the unconscious cannot create the conscious..*..You cannot..create something you can’t KNOW. Freud was/greatly..worried about this,..being VERY bright, though misguided,..and attempted to get/around it..by introducing a number of..“borderline”..areas.which merely resulted in fuzziness. This was particularly/unfortunate,..because he/was capable of going much higher,..if he/had not been so afraid. This is why he kept..pulling the mind-function..DOWN. The ego..did NOT arise..out of the unconscious. A lower-order perception..cannot..*create a higher-order one, (which is the way..you perceive the structure..of the psyche if you look at it..from the bottom UP)..*because it doesn’t understand it. But a higher-order/perception..CAN create..a lower-order by understanding it..in terms of..pre-conceived/MISperception. *Perception..*ALWAYS involves..some misuse..of will, because it..ACTIVLY..involves the mind into..areas of uncertainty. The mind is very active..because it has will-power.][fixation..toachieve..piure-pose* When it willed/the Separation..it..yet..willed to perceive. Until it chose to do..this,..it willed..*only to know.[but then..the burden..of knowing/obliges one..and watch-us run.. After-wards,..it had/to will..*ambiguously,[feign ignorance/self censor*]..and the only way_out/of..ambiguity IS clear..via..clear/true..perception...of what..now..is*. The mind..returns itself to its proper-function..only when* it finally..matures..sees nouse..for scape-goating..once..it WILLS TO KNOW...This/places it..in the Soul’s service,..where perception is meaningless. The superconscious..is/the level..of the mind..which wills *to..do this...(Freud was particularly/distorted..on this point,..because he was getting..too far UP..for comfort according to his own perception.) But..he WAS right..in maintaining that..the “parts” of the psyche..*cannot be*..correctly perceived..*either as dependant.."THINGS"..or as entirely separate[independant..]...(He would have thought..better if he had said..“entirely separated.”) The mind DID divide itself..when it willed..to create its own levels..AND the ability to/perceive them...But it could NOT entirely-separate..itself from the Soul,..because it is FROM..[soul=form]..the Soul..that it*s/form..[informs]..thus derives its whole power to create. Even in miscreating, will is affirming its source, or it would merely cease to be. This is impossible, because it IS part of the Soul, which God created, and which is therefore eternal. The ability to perceive made the body possible, because you must perceive..SOMETHING,..and WITH something. This is why perception involves an exchange, or a translation, which knowledge does NOT need. Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 29 October 2013 1:59:06 PM
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The interpretive/function..of perception,
(is..actually,..a distorted form..of creation), which..then permitted man..to interpret..the body [or paperwork/id/license..etc].. as-if..they are..HIMSELF,.. which,..although depressing,.was a way out of the/conflict..he..himself..induced. (This/has already..been covered/in some detail.) The super-conscious,..*which KNOWS,..*could not/be..reconciled with this loss.;.of power,..because it was..*incapable of..illusory/darkness. This is why..it..has..became..almost inaccessible..to the mind.. and entirely*..inaccessible..to the body...as..It was PERCEIVED..as a threat,..because light/'does abolish..ANY*..darkness by..establishing..the clear-fact..that it ISN’T THERE. the slightest..glimmer..of dawn..dispels..the_darkest/night.. The truth will*ALWAYS destroy error*..in this sense. This is not.an ACTIVE process..of destruction at_all. We have already..emphasized the fact..*that knowing does_not*DO anything. yet..It can be_PERCEIVED as an attacker,..*but it CANNOT attack...truth/love/grace/mercy. What..man..perceives as its attack..is his own..recognition_of the fact that it can always..be REMEMBERED,..because it..[of fact/thus reveals..it..was never..destroyed. [what..means..NEVER WAS?] This..is not..a literal..re-membering as much..as a dis-membering...[disassembling..the illusion] (That is..largely..so..for B. I wish he/would decide..to use that/talent of his constructively...He has no idea..of how powerful..it could be. Actually,..it does/come from the unconscious, and is really..a distorted form/of..miraculous perception/which he has reduced..to word twisting.[spin] Although this..can be quite funny, it is still..a real/waste.[dis-appointment..wrote..large] Maybe he’d care..to let me control it, and still use it..humorously himself. He/doesn’t have to decided..if..it is one..NOR the other.) The unconscious should..never have been reduced to a “container” for..the waste products of conflict. Even as..HE perceives his psyche, every level has a creative potential, because nothing..man creates..can wholly lose this. The ego is as frail as Freud perceived it. The later theorists..have tried to introduce a less pessimistic view,.but have looked..in the wrong direction for their hope...Any attempt/to..endow the ego..with/the attributes of the Soul,..is merely confused thinking. recall..cayce things,..dont accord..spirit [do de-fuse].no.. things..[nothing]*no..*thing..exude's..nothing..of spirit- [meaning]..they may..hold traces..but..not any/life-essence even..by association..[its..the illusory..[cayce]..in point] imagery..is only..*image regardless of..the image.. the image..imagines..to reveal Freud was/more..clear-sighted..about this, because he kne.. a BAD thing.when he perceived it, but he failed..to realize recognize..that...anillusery bad thing..*cannot truly..exist*. It is..therefore..wholly unnecessary..to try*../..to..get*_out..of it. As you..very rightly observed..yourself, the thing to do/with..a desert..is to LEAVE. and so...johan emerged from..the just..desert.. and..wondered/back..into..the mists..of time.. http://miraclevision.com/acim/urtext/acim-urtext-2003-upe-ready-edition.pdf leaving..the last parra of page..84..till some..other time. Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 29 October 2013 4:55:37 PM
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The/unconscious..should-never..have/been..
reduced to..a...“container”..for the waste/products..of conflict... the conscious avoids..Even as HE/perceives..his..psyche,..seeing/that..every level..has/a creative-potential,..because/nothing..man creates..can wholly.lose this...causal-echo. God..and..the Souls..He created remain..in surety,truth/grace/good..etc.. and therefore..our soul-body..KNOW's..that no..miscreation/..pre-exists. Truth..cannot..deal with..un-willing-error..[undoing-errors]., because..it-does_not will..to be/blocked out...by/half truths[which..are thus..fully errant]..[fully-wrong] But..jesus..was a man/who remembered..the-Soul..and..its true-knowledge. Tell B...that/when..he..CHOSE..to refuse/to..misperceive he was..indeed/behaving..as..*I behaved...And..as a-man,..I did/not attempt..to counteract-error..with knowledge,.so much/as..seeking..to correct_error..from-the/bottom-up...built..[on..firm-foundation] I..demonstrated..both the/powerlessness..of..the body[alone.. AND..the_power of..the/mind,[all-one]..by uniting..MY will with_the..will..of..my Creator,.. which..naturally re-membered.. [as opposed/by..dis-memberd]..ie..[re-joined].. the-Soul..and..its own..real/true-purpose. I..cannot/unite..your-will..with God’s...for*..you. But..I CAN erase..all-misperceptions..from..your mind, if.you will/bring it..under_my guidance...ONLY_your/misperceptions stand-in/your..own way... Without them,..your..own choice..is certain... with-them..truth..remains veiled..un-revealed..like/behind..a curtain Sane-perception.INDUCES..sane choosing...The Atonement was/an act..[in shared-truth]..based_on..true perception. I cannot..choose for..your truths,..for/you, but..I_CAN/help..you make..your..*own right-choice...once you*place..your_choices..before/me..by prayer. “Many..are called..but..few..are chosen”.. SHOULD read, “ALL..are called..*but..few have..choose..to listen... Therefore,..they_do/not choose..RIGHTLY.”.[they..CHOSE..misscreations..of ego.. [did they feel*..they had a choice..[were they..informed?] The .“chosen.ones”..are merely..those/who..choose/choice..rightly some..SOONER...by..choosing..the meam of good-truth..to..find expression..via..the-self..as servant..unto/other..as the father..serves_every/other... This is..the real/meaning..of the..celestial-speed-up...Strong wills can..will..to-do this..NOW...And you..WILL find rest...for your Souls...from-now on..into..the eternal..now* We said before..that the sole..ability..of abilities./.of soul which man possesses..are only..shadows of his..true celestial-abilities. [unlike the hellish..diss-abilities] be..self-enabled..not..self-disabled The soul’s/true functions..are knowing, loving,trusting/testing..learning and creating. The..intrusion/of-the ability..that wills..to perceive,..which is inherently-judgmental,..was...introduced...only after...the/Separation. No_one..has/been sure..of..anything since then. You will..also remember that I..made it very/clear that the Resurrection..was the..*return to knowledge, which was/accomplished..by the union.of my will..with the Father’s. Since..the Separation,..the words “create”.. and “make”..are inevitably confused...When/you make something, you make/it...first out of a sense of lack..or need,..and second,.. out of..a something..that..already exists...[but was..only seen/via heart-revelation..that realized..[made-real]..its_miracle. Anything..can be..that is made is made..for a specific/purpose...It has no..true...generalized-ability...of self. When you/make something..to fill a..perceived-lack,..which is obviously..a logical-reason..why_you/would try/to..make anything,..you..are tacitly..implying..that you believe..in the Separation. thus sustain..it. Knowing..does..not lead..to doing, as we have.frequently observed/already. (Note..that the term..“insight”,..though referring/to lofty perception's,..is not..an attribute/of knowledge...This is why..terms like “lofty”..are meaningless..in..this context. Insight is/not..the way TO knowledge, but it IS..a prerequisite..FOR which knowledge. Being of God's truths..knowledge has nothing to do..with your perceptions..at all...That is why..it..can only be a..gift..of God TO you.) God knows you..only in/peace, and this..IS your reality*. Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 29 October 2013 10:33:21 PM
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religion..seems to have missed..the point/that..ethics..are descriptions..of spontaneous/feeling-states,..rather than rules/to be legislated...Being.."forced"..to.."love one's neighbor,"...
one may never learn..to do it spontaneously...Lower-developmental/stages never succeed..in "legislating" higher ones... http://www.gurdjieff.am/in-search/index.pdf Christ's exhortation..is..rather..a call/to transformation,.through growth;..the only way..to reach the next stage...This growth/then..is a primary task..of the regeneration process. Regeneration,..says Swedenborg,..is accomplished/from within, through..the mysterious process..of influx...This is a concept as much..cosmological..as psychological. It.extends..from/the source of life..(God)..through several-orders or..."degrees"..of creation. In both systems,..human-life..as well/as..organic life..are intermediate stages..in a process/of energy transformation:..From the spiritual-Sun..[the-father/husband]..to the..natural sun[son],..to organic life on earth.[mother/wife] Swedenborg says: There/is..a continual influx..from the celestial..into..the spiritual/world..into the natural...He who does-not know..that there is..a/spiritual world..and that..it is distinct/from..the natural world..can know nothing..of this influx. It is the..spiritual-principle..which derives..its origin from the..light..wherein the Lord is,,..though..the sun...and proceeds-to..the ultimates..[living/end-fruits..children..of the earth-mother]..of nature,..that produces..the forms..of the vegetables and animals,..and exhibits..the wonders/that..are in both; and..it clothes them..with material substances[energy/within energy]..from the earth..[external/body-form]..from..god..[internal/life-force]..that these forms...may be fixed..and enduring...according..to..their will's/want's/need..and works..[uses]..natures. The human being,..while partaking..in organic life, also rises..above the/rest of creation..in being..a conscious or mental-aware-recipient..of direct spiritual-influx..(sdee/Gurdjieff's "three-brained beings"). The influx..through man's/higher-faculties..is considered by Swedenborg..to come from the Lord...The lower..comes through the domain..of nature..and is the libidinous-desire..of Freud's id,..and the natural egocentricity..we have....discussed/as...each human-child's birthright. Swedenborg sees.."the natural"..and.."the spiritual"..as actual intertwined_spirals..of energy;..curiously anticipatory..of the double helix..of DNA. [Man is]..born an animal...but becomes a man.[menche] The natural..mind,..with all..things..[good/true]..pertaining/into it,.revolves in spiral motions..from right to left;..but the spiritual-mind,..in spiral motions..from left to right. These minds/are thus..in a contrary/flux/flow..movement relative..to each other;..as..an indication..that evil resides in the natural mind,..and that of..itself it..re-acts..against the spiritual mind. We..think of..the Gnostic-dualisms,..(the motif/of..the dark brother, or..the hairy brother..and the smooth brother)...The alternative..to the fratricide..there must-be..a piercing..of the cloud..of unknowing which/causes..each..to think..of/the..other as..enemy Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 30 October 2013 6:28:26 AM
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While..Swedenborg..was/raised..in..a society..far_more absolutist/than..our own..its..understanding/of good..and evil,..allows*for..the concept-of..regeneration..
allows..to show..the process/of..human/spiritual-growth..to-be/a dialogue:..between *the faculties..of-will..(feeling) and..understanding..(cognition),..between/natural/seen/affect..and unseen/spiritual,causes..between..man..and God. For..man/thinks..and..wills..*as_if..from himself,.. and/this ."as_if..from himself"..is/the ..reciprocal..of conjunction;..with*..celestial/cloud-mind]....for there..can be no/conjunction ..without..*a reciprocal.[action/re-action] William-Butler/Yeats..was-to/see..the human-psyche..as..two interlocking....cones..or..spirals..(/*\[w][M]see A Vision)... Between these..spirals..*play..the pairs/of..opposites..of will.. that..mask..and..reveal-creative..into-like/mind..and..according..as body/of fate..decree..[circum-polar]. Yeats'..rendering..is..closer/to..the/less..dualistic-Celtic tradition,..which..has always/tended..to portray*..life..as/a dialogue*[key]..of..a spiritual-dimension..nurture..with/human-nature..and mother nurture. The yogic/kundalini/serpent,..like_the..natural-spiral, lies..coiled..around..her phallus..at/the..base.of/'the spine (and/the nadis,..Ida..and Pingala,..coil around/the Sushumna).102 The..caduceus..of-healing,..inherited..from..fore-gone/classical-time's,..also shows..the "serpents"..intertwined..round..a staff. The..iconic message..to..the human/sufferer..is clear: holistic-health..includes*both serpents,..both_spirals. Carl Jung,..like Swedenborg,..were also..to come to..their own unique ethical/stance..on this issue;..but/through..the attainment ..of the universal-ethical principle level,..not*..through..a legalistic imitation..of the/family patriarch. Jung..would later..write his Answer to Job,..and develop/the technique..of.."embracing/the dark brother"..in the dialogue..with the shadow... He conceived of/this..as the starting work-of/the individuation process..(the masterwork/being..the dialogue..with..the anima). We have/already..followed some..of these stages..in Swedenborg's own life...His subsequent idea/of regeneration..bespeaks/the same slow process..of moral/transformation..as Jung's-individuation.104 Both..men agree..that man..is a.."receptacle"..for trans-personal forces..(Jung's-archetypes,.Swedenborg's/spirit..world.) Jung writes: The religions..should therefore/constantly..recall.to us the origin..and original character..of living-spirit,..lest man should/forget..what he is drawing ..*into..himself..and with_what..he is filling..his consciousness...mortal..momentums. *He himself..*did not*..create/the spirit,..rather..the spirit makes/him..creative,..always*..spurring him on,..giving him*lucky ideas,..staying_power,.."enthusiasm"..and.."inspiration." So much,..indeed..does it/permeate..his whole being[plus his whole earthy creation]..[other]..that he-is..in the gravest..danger/of miss-thinking..that he*..actually created..the spirit[E]..and that he "has"..it..[of himself] In reality,..the primordial-0phenomenon/of..the spirit takes possession*..of him,..and,..while appearing..to/be..the willing object/of human-intentions..it binds..his freedom/thus..becomes an obsessive..idea en-force...[vile]..Spirit threatens..the naive minded man..with inflation...of that..of that-totemic..[a-la cayce] And from Swedenborg,..we have/that..the knowledge..of man is that..of merely vessels..or recipients,..and that too..of a rude, yeah,..of the rudest kind,..into which/are poured[from the celestial-Lord]..those things..which they..*were designed..to contain...[hold preserve..embodied/stasis] and Every-man..as according..to his spirit/nature, although he..does not*..know of..it,[forgive them/lord..they know-not..what..they want..thee to..prove].. mankind..is/in..society..with spirits..as much as beasts..while he lives..in the..materialized-flesh/blood-body...Through them..a good man..is..informed..in..an angelic-society..and an evil man..is performed..in an infernal society. While/these..ideas may seem..archaic/to..the modern skeptic, skirting all..too-close..to primitive animism,..they are/in fact..ideas so widespread..as to merit..inclusion/consideration..in the perennial psychology. It/is..only among/the.."scientifically-socialized"..that such things are viewed.as unusual..where the people..have no problem..at/all..with the concept..of.."the spirit world." But..while we/may..feel we.."understand"..the spiritual..in these cultural contexts,..perhaps..we grow less..comfortable/with the "spiritualists"..closer to home,..[alone] Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 30 October 2013 7:11:31 AM
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yet..as..innocent/nonjudgmental..as*children
In/our..mind-visualization..picture of..the psyche,
there is..an..unconscious/level,..which properly.consists*..*ONLY of the miracle-ability...and-should..be..under/MY direction;..
and/at..a conscious level,/which perceive..
or ..is aware..of impulses..*from both..the/unconscious
and..the/supe-rconscious...as..These..are/the sources of..the impulses..it receives.
Consciousness..is thus/the level..
of perception,..but_NOT..knowing..of*..its knowledge.
Again,..*to_PERCEIVE..*is NOT_to..*know.
(In/this connection,..Cayce..*is more-accurate.than Freud.)
Consciousness..was the..first/slip/split..that man*introduced..(into himself...*He became..a/PERCEIVER/judge..rather_than...a-creator..in the true/sense.
Consciousness..is.correctly/identified
as the domain..of the ego...Jung was right..indeed
in/insisting..that..the ego is..*NOT_the self,..and.*that/the-self should-be..regarded as-an/achievement.[our_own/creation]..
He did/not..RECOGNIZE..(a term..we/now..more-fully/understand)
that..the*Achievement..of truth..was God’s...origpnal-creation.
In a sense,..the-ego..was..a man-made/attempt
to perceive..himself..*as he_wished,/rather than...as he IS.
This is-an example..of the..created/v\creator..confusion..we spoke/of
before.
*He can-only KNOW/himself..as..he_IS,..now
because..that/is..*all he-can..truly..be SURE of...now*
Everything else..IS open-to.question.
The ego..is the questioning/compartment
in/the..post-Separation-psyche..which man/created.for himself.
*It is..capable of asking..valid-questions,
but/not..of perceiving.wholly/which..are[not/were]..valid answers, because..these are/cognitive,..and thus..cannot_..BE perceived.
The endless/speculation..about/the meaning..of mind..has
led to..considerable_confusion..because*the/mind_IS confused...of fear.*
Only..One-Mindedness/fearlessness..[loving/of other]..is without confusion...A separate,..or divided-mind..MUST_be confused.[one cannot serve/two-masters]
A divided/mind..is uncertain*..*by definition.
*It HAS to.be in..conflict..because it/is..*out of-accord..with itself.
Intra-personal conflict..arises from.the same basis
as interpersonal...One part of the/psyche..*perceives..another/part ..as on..a different LEVEL,..and/thus..does not_understand it.
This..makes..the parts
strangers to each other,..WITHOUT..any-means..of
reconciliation..via RECOGNITION...This is..the essence/of the..*fear-prone..[stasis/immobilized/paralyzing-condition,..in.which attack..is ALWAYS*possible.
Man..has/every reason..to feel anxious,
*as he..perceives himself...This/is why..he
cannot/escape fear..until he..*KNOWS..that..which..he DID_not.and CAN*_not ..*create of/himself.
*He can..NEVER..make this..[error/misperception] valid,
and when..he at/last PERCEIVES..clearly,..*he..next..is GLAD HE
CAN’T/couldn't/didn't..try.
His_Creation..is beyond..his own error/variance,
and this..is why..*he MUST eventually/choose.to heal the Separation.
Right-mindedness is not to/
be confused with the KNOWING mind,..because it is
applicable..only to right perception...You can be right-minded or wrong-minded,..and this/is subject to degrees,..a fact which clearly demonstrates...a lack..of association..with/true..knowledge.
(No, Helen,..this is PERFECTLY-clear
and..DOES follow..the previous/section.
Neither you..nor I..is at-all confused,..even in grammar.)
The term..“right-mindedness”..is properly used..as the_correction for wrongmindedness,
and..applies/to the.state..of mind which
induces..accurate perception...It is/miraculous
because*..it heals..errant/misperception,..and..healing..is indeed a miracle,..in view..of/how man..perceives himself.
BUT..Only the sick..NEED healing.
The Soul does not/need healing,..but the mind DOES.
but what worse..judging healing is
warranted/hereby..therefor..or that..judging..the other mind is sick*