Brother Belly, why don't you ditch your Party of Filth and join the Party of Virtue, THE GREENS. Like a Prodigal Son returning we will, welcome you with open arms, show you that their is a better society awaiting, better than following the sinful ways of the Conservative devils. We will absolve you of any past political sins you may have committed (like saying Paul Howes is a good bloke) and we will welcome you into the promised land of (Green) milk and honey. Sister Lee and Brother Adam will welcoming you with love and kindness. All of us can rejoice in the knowledge that Brother Belly may soon be with us. Lets all now pray at the shrine of Father Bob... to the tune of kumbaya, ready, lets go!.....Belly your not singing.

Banjo, youy are probably right – Carr only talked about Sydney in an official capacity when he was NSW PM, which of course he should have done, as it was and is insane for that city to have a rapidly growing population due to immigration given its problems with services, infrastructure and all manner of other things.

But he has had the population-stabilisation ethic at heart for a very long time. He has talked about reading Ehrlich’s ‘Population Bomb’ with great admiration in about 1970.

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Paul can I give you a little advice.
Try to be more controversial in your posts, we can then have an argument.
Like the way you turned your 3 plus percent drop in votes to a positive.
I too see it as a positive!
Positively negative that is.
Back to Carr not PM Ludwig.
He as did at other times Howard expressed concerns about the growth in Sydney and enclavism too.
He was always long before his leadership involved in Scouting.
We just have to live with it, we think differently than each other.
Show me however one who has never got it wrong, he/she has not yet been born.

Belly, you know I don't take this forum at all seriously. I hope my above post at least got a chuckle from you. I find a few posters on here, conservative ones mostly who wouldn't, crack a smile if they won Lotto. I think they are Blackjack McEwen reincarnated, never seen old Blackjack smile in all his years in politics.
I met up with a good mate of mine for a coffee yesterday, like you and I he is of mature years, in other words an old fart, my mate is a Labor stalwart, been a party member for years, and does so much for Labor, they want it, Bill does it. Bill is very much right wing conservative, a bit like you, but he finally admitted if it wasn't for Green preferences in so many seats Labor would have been annihilated. This election will do us no end of good, 3 years of Abbottism is just what the doctor ordered for the left of politics.

Paul I knew you would find it funny that was my point.
But bloke you need to think just a bit more about your words there.
First half if not more of your vote has always been Labor refugees.
You will agree with that surely, they have no place to go other than kick our shins then preference us.
Rather like you they know greens will not govern.
Too Paul pre greens our worst election polling before preferences was 42 percent.
I am truly very confident about my party,s future and its growth.
Can you tell me that about yours?
Surely we both know your party in part bought about Labors removal.
I remember black Jack, there is a tale, see you and I lived in a time the Cow Cockys party, then not now, had power,he kept Billy Mac from leading the Libs until he went.
Now too the Nationals are in fact the Gina Rhinheart party/miners toy.
That is why Windsor and Oakshot had over 65 percent of the polling, and why chubby6 cheeks, on her face too Gina dashed to Tamworth on election night to?
Kiss Barnaby's bottom.
Gee glad it was not mine, you have to draw the line some place!

Fixing the Senate is easy through electoral reform. Get rid of above the line voting and bring in optional preferencing perhaps up to six choices. It also gets rid controversial preference deals.

Losing the election may be the best thing to happen to the ALP in the short term. The party needs a good clean out,purging the system of it's bad practices, factional obsessions, powerbroker sharks and careerist politicians. If Labor can return to its roots, involve the membership and differentiate themselves from the Conservative end of politics they have a future.

With Abbott's already worrying tendency to choose secrecy over transparency and to reduce freedom of speech with talk of banning primary and secondary boycotts (yet unclear) and a review of companies rights to sue governments (meaning corporations will set nation's agenda) this mighty be a short-term government. Labor has an opportunity for reflection and review and a return to putting the interests of people first, particularly the most disadvantaged.

There is nothing wrong with wanting a career in politics. However, when aspiration becomes the primary goal and winning at all costs (at the loss of values) it is like the Emperor is finally seen naked, without his new clothes. When a member of your own team leaks for self-interest and is rewarded, it displays a lack of values.

Tanya Plibersek said on election night that Labor would have won the 2007 election with Beazley at the helm without the need to change leader, given the public's growing distaste for the Howard government. Perhaps Julia Gillard will write more in her memoir.