The divisions in NSW Labor are as deep as ever. Its a fact that they control the party federally and very much want Shorten to lead. Albanese as the lefts candidate is on the nose with the NSW right, the left have already taken the Senate leadership with Wong and to see them take the lower house top job with Albanese, would be too much.
As for Carr going, the right will demand that one of theirs fills the vacancy and it wont be Howes. With Dastyari already endorsed by the NSW right to replace Thistlethwaite in the Senate they want to maintain federal control and to do that they need one of theirs to replace Carr.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/nsw-right-forced-paul-howes-out-of-senate-contest-20130919-2u2oq.html

Belly after getting it so wrong about The Greens in this election, I invited you to comment, but true to form you made grandiose pre election statements about The Greens and when your predictiosn failed to materlise, in other words you were wrong, you don't correct the record.

Howes, it is my view he is both brilliant and a future Labor leader.
Belly,
you'll find leopards changing their spots before Labor changes their incompetence in favour of competence.

Belly,
I cannot believe that you are as naive as you seem to be therefor I tend to think you allow sympathy to exceed your good looks.
Carr is not a criminal in the true sense of the word. He may well be a political con man but that is not a crime...yet.
The other two blokes you mentioned they are a different story.
I worked under Bob Askin when he was part of the East Coast Mafia of Askin, Joe and Henry Bolte. In the job we called them 'Corruption Incorporated'
Askin had a team called the S.O.D squad, 'Special Operations Division' of the Premiers Department. Secret budget, all that sort of thing.
We thought they were a joke, until we found out what they used to get up to and discovered that we were powerless, as a police force, to stop them.
As far as Wran was concerned, I busted one of his children driving his black BMW up the Pacific Highway at three in the morning carrying a kilo of pure hashish.
By 10.00 AM the next day the charges and the hashish had disappeared and the family member freed.
I also busted his 'bag-man', Malcolm Johns, in his white Rolls Royce collecting the Friday tribute bags.
Bad move on my part. Promoted and back to uniform and posted to the Northern Rivers Command.
Bob Carr wasn't in their league mate believe you me.

Banjo, Bob Carr has always expressed broad views on population. His interests were and are much broader than just Sydney’s ever-increasing population pressure.

He has always advocated a much lower rate of immigration, rather than just a redistribution of immigrants so that less might end up in Sydney.

http://www.population.org.au/about/people/the-hon-bob-carr

Ludwig,
Have it your way ole fella, but that is not my recollection.

Carr's objection to high immigration was mainly based on the impact it was having on Sydney. As NSW Premier, it is reasonable that he have concerns about that. After all his government had to find the funds for the additional infrastructure.

Chris Gaff wounder if you know I like the person you put in print here?
Your post above the one I put here was at best dismissive, see you made a statement and then informed me that was then end of it!
No way sport my right to my view remains.
You tell of your time in police uniform.
You do not need me to remind you, MORE BENT COPS than straight man some stations.
A Chief Inspector of Police told me that!
I happen to think a good Cop is worth more than we can ever pay them.
But have spent hours being near begged to give information to ICAC as a Police witness about a den of thieves, many caught up in a later sting.
Know why I refused? I knew others in the job would even up with me, some survive today.
So maybe you know some thing.
But consider this, no please!
I despise with every bone in my body for every day I live the true filth from within my party.
So why? when? do/did I not condemn without mercy any one I thought fitted that description, why would I do it here.
Chris, name the Liberal/Conservative voter who ever blinked an eye or commented here on the filth on their side?
Ludwig is a good bloke no really I would be the first to ask him about our trees but while admiring his stand on Carr will not be asking him for advice on who to vote for in my proud party,s leadership poll.