All,
Wait for the double dissolution and then see where your derelict parties stand, sorry fall

If I was a Labor member my support would go to Albanese. Shorten is too wedded to the stuff I mentioned in my previous post, although to his credit he did a lot of work on disability policy and advocacy.

Paul
I think preferences are important in a fair voting system. My argument is not against preferencing, rather there should be a limit to the amount a voter has to number and that voters should be responsible for choosing preferences rather than handing it over to parties - with some pretty weird preference deals as seen in the last election.

Belly,
Could this link below be the real reason Paul Howe was dropped to replace Carr when he retires?

http://www.afr.com/p/national/grand_mufti_threatened_labor_over_Icf2aeY266mv1mLRHTUIXJ

I recall once when Carr and other pollies attended the Ramadam celebrations, the then Mufti threatened to withdraw political support from the NSW Labor government if they did not do more for Muslims. So threats of a political nature are not unknown to muslims.

Apparently it is Howe's support for Israel that the muslims object to.

I also doubt that Howe's support for homosexual marriage would go down well with muslims.

Interesting to see what comes of this, but disappointing if Labor has cow towed to muslim pressure. Still Labor has shown it will do anything to garner support from anywhere.

Belly,

It is easy to see why you are so down on the leakers in Labor. Keep that dirty washing off the rotary hoist, eh Belly?

However, whistleblowers can be good for democracy. Otherwise no-one would ever have known about the about the Grand Mufti who knows that as the ethnic tail he can swing the Labor dog.

<Grand Mufti threatened Labor over Israel ‘bias’

Australia’s senior Islamic cleric threatened to withdraw community support for federal Labor in Western Sydney if union leader Paul Howes replaced Bob Carr in the Senate, a leaked email reveals>

http://www.afr.com/p/national/grand_mufti_threatened_labor_over_Icf2aeY266mv1mLRHTUIXJ

That makes the Labor faithful like you, Belly, into the 'useful idiots' who do the leg-work and raise the money, while the ethnic lobby (and unions!) tells the party hierarchy whom to appoint as representatives, and would be sure to be dictating policy too.

OTB!
You are aware I have little regard for you or your ability to think.
You too know I have told you so you should, it is not my intention to post in your threads.
And too that I believe avoiding you is best for both of us and OLO.
You in that post not question, but prove you are not capable of comment worth reading.
My years here have seen *thousands* of posts demanding improvement from my side of politics.
Bloke think before opening your verbal mouth.
Read my comments ,even here, surely *an informed poster* would understand I am unlikely to change my spots, if someone needs a boot from my side I will let you know.
You before throwing mud, should consider my years old much repeated challenge.
*Tell me of the wrongs on your side of politics*
Last, you present as a some what limited and fixed Mind.
I have this for you, I want to learn every day of my life, not wade in the lower end of the pool with the kids so we are on different paths OK?

Belly,
Glad to see you back. I was beginning to get concerned because of you being unwell recently. I may be wrong, but I think you live alone. Do you have friends or relos that call on you regularly. Maybe other ham radio operators or neighbours?

Take care.