Yes, this is the age old argument against Democracy.
How can my one vote possibly make a difference?

I do truly get great joy out of threads such as this.
I believe in man made climate change.
And know some change is not man made.
I even believe some of the change is a blessing, some a great threat.
But what I enjoy most of all is the Brazenness of the back yard commentator that so confidently tells us the science is wrong!
You gotta love them.
Human nature will, in time see some tell us they always knew it was man made.
But if I live long enough, with no doubt in my mind, Liberals will switch to Turnbulls take, and method of control.
As the effects get clearer and farmers see the results in real life, they will demand action on climate change.
So time as is always the case, will see this question asked over and again, what benefit comes to believers from saying so.
Mark the difference.
What drives the other side if not self interest of owners of dirty fuels and that alone.

i..must caution against taking
what lucifer says i say..seriouisly

<<..Nobody wants you to eat crow,..Hasbeen,
simply come on up..>>

this links me to an..implied negative
as if hasbeen..was somehow lower..[than what..those who play funnybuggers..with hockey stiche'.or sex upand hide the govt dept data?

then..compounds this negatively asserted joinder
with..<<..as the angels..in heaven rejoice..at every soul that saves itself.>>

no..they rejoice..when we save other..as well...as ourself
not just saving..ourselves..

what credit..is it..to save thyself..alone?
or aid..that goes to those..supporting the scam..[thats more like buy-of/payoff]..nest feathering..[sure the angels rejoice..when we see the true sin..is lies within other]

we can deceive many..into..doing the right thing
but to..cure the wrong fix..to the wrong thing

[like we just ALL..had to BUY*..new tv]
why..so they could auction..off the spectrum
[we shoulda just bought the daMM THING OURSELVES..
it would have been cheaper..than building millions of new tv's

we just near about polluted this world.,..to death
now gotta..rebuild that we near destroyed..this earth..building..in the first place

new industry=new pollution
just the cleaning fluid..[for cleaning solar cells..is 120times WORSE than.c023]..methane from..your home compost pollution=40 times worse than.c02..

when we watch..society fall..because
it was lobbied into giving away free pathetic
,mercury laden..first generation ccccrrap..like free light-bulbs..

[read up..on the lightbulb conspiracy..]
that begun..this greenmail..industrialist/revolting..farce

and we the name called wholly-cost..deniers
are the ones..posting..cause its us..wanting further pollution
to build..the next green industrialist scam/sceme?..

[with free govt cash]
[or the tax..by ton weight..on the weightless gas..]

c02..the basis of all life
tax the living..to..death..to..feed dead corporation corrupt capitalist bail-out gain

its insane

Luciferase,

It's now agreed that there hasn't been significant global warming in 15-16 years. If there is some sort of roughly linear relationship between CO2 emissions and increases in global temperatures, this shouldn't happen. So there are other factors at work, even factors counteracting the effects of CO2 production. Is this so or not ?

Yes, the IPCC didn't predict that this would happen. They got it wrong. Suck it up and move on.

So world temperatures have risen less than one degree Celsius in 130 years. Solely because of CO2 emissions ? It now doesn't seem so.

As for sea-level rises, of 8 inches in a century, this may be so, averaging out all the rises around the world. For example, we may not see any rise on any part of the Australian coastline. But in some countries, the rise has been far greater, it seems.

In Fiji, as that poor woman was crying about at the Copenhagen Conference in 2009, it seems the sea-level has risen hundreds of feet, swamping the mountains of Fiji.

Atolls in the Pacific (which we learnt in school are actually sinking all the time), are being swamped, as people who are drawing out more ground water, and who built on the beach are finding out in every big storm.

The delta of the Nile, now that the Aswan Dam is holding back the silt, is being inundated.

The coastline of Bangla Desh, on a tilting tectonic plate, is more than ever subject to flooding, while the plate rises in the west, in Indian Bengal.

Atlantic city's seaside attractions, built right on the beach, have been wiped out by hurricanes.

Truly tragic situations. We may not notice it here in Australia, or perhaps in Europe or Africa or South America or the coastline of China.

But the IPCC assures us that it IS happening. They are the experts. People should believe experts, they shouldn't rely just on their own observations. Experts know and governments take their cues from experts. And we should believe most of our governments.

Is this your story ?

Joe
www.firstsources.info

See Joe, now you're getting down to it, you know better than the IPCC. It could not possibly have taken on board the things you mentioned in coming to your conclusion because they're only scientists who don't get out enough, right?. Your tree hugging cloaks a basic denialist's stance.

Shadow Minister (there Poirot, I did it!), If I find a wallet I'll hand it in to the police and not care what others might do. Australia should set an example.

The right blend of policies, including carbon pricing (on domestic and imported commodities with exporter compensations until the world falls in behind us)can wean us away from a carbon economy. Of course we would seek greater global abatement measures as we go, which should naturally build as AGW impacts. We will have to adopt a non-carbon based economy in the long run anyway, as fossil fuels deplete.

Australia's natural advantage of coal reserves, particularly, will have to be left in the ground. However if the world fails to fall in behind abatement and we are still left with these reserves further down the track, then we can sell them at an even higher price as we leap globally hand-in-hand into the catastrophe of a 4 degree temperature rise. If we really need the coal dollars, can't it wait until then?

This does not sit well with those mining fossil fuels. Hence the opposition of a denialist industry is supported by them and their allies. Carbon pricing and renewables are threats they will fight all the way to the bank.

Luci do you actually believe that cr4p, or like some of the girls here, are you just repeating the preachings from the high members of your order?

Even the high priests of the order don't actually believe it, when you read the fine print of their latest gospel. You don't have to be too smart to see them laying their escape route. After all they are going to want grant money for some other line of bull, sorry research, once this lot stops kicking, & they know it.