Belly - I would just like to remind you people are waiting for your reply on at least 2 threads where you have attacked or made disparaging remarks.

Haunt me as much as you like but first stop giving the thoughts of others without permission.
You are aware I place no value on your thoughts, think with total honesty you are both uninformed and a right wing nut!
Do you agree we both would be better for not referring to each other.
Take your time, I am aware for some deep thought brings head acres.

Belly - YOU are the one who originally said you would avoid me BUT you continually put in stupid comments and sarcastic remarks, but fail to elaborate or clarify your comments.
You only have yourself to blame.

Quote "stop giving the thoughts of others without permission." If you read they are so, suck it up.

Now also please remember you said that, because I know you have done that on a lot of occasions = hypocrite.

You wrote "head acres" it should be headache.

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Ignored
Thanks to all contributors the future looks mixed as a result of the upper house.
Interesting but not good.
I like to think a day will come that ends our Representatives finding reason to endlessly shout at one another.
Not however by the loss of the right to an opinion.

Dear Belly,

Thanks for this discussion.

I haven't been able to respond earlier because
my computer broke down and I've only just
managed to get it fixed.

A reporter writing for "The Weekly Review,"
tell us that:

I think that most of us will agree that this last
election campaign must surely rank as the least enlightening
and most dispiriting election campaign in Australian
history.

From memory past federal elections saw the major parties
enter the competition with distinct and clearly
articulated visions and programs. It was possible to
delineate the shape of the differences between the major
parties. Where economic policies did not depend on saying
the words "surplus" and "growth" over and over.

The criticisms that we don't get it right either all the
time is a valid one. Our politicians have become so robotic
and constrained by spin doctors.

I'm not sure if things are going to get any better.
There seems to be little value in politicians being
truly themselves, not if they want to be leaders some
day and not with a gaffe-hungry media corps hiding behind
every bush.

There used to be an understanding that once existed
between journalists and politicians that required a
direct question to be honestly answered. This seems to
have gone by the way side. And the public's faith and
spirit has gone along with it.

There are many questions that the media needs to answer,
about whether it has done as well as it could have.
And that is the question we need to ask ourselves as well.

Thanks Foxy we need not feel so bad.
It was our party and its actions that voters wanted to dump, for a great time.
Not our policy,s.
Few will have noticed but I put this thread up mid afternoon on election day.
It could have been 3 weeks in to the campaign.
It however was not our policy,s that they rejected.
However no opposition has ever entered its darkest days so well armed, the children of your children will never know such a divided ALP.
These dark days are over reform and change now rules.
Shorten I once said, is the man we thought Rudd was, not knocking Kevin and conveniently forgetting Bills role in 2010.
Bill cleaned that slate on putting the party first.
We are about to ride a wave that will lift us and return much of our lost ground.
Voters are yet to understand , other than removing a dysfunctional Labor, what they voted for.
My party is growing on the ground branches seeing many first time involved in politics folk arrive at every meeting.