belly/quote..<<..victims of a few products..of unwed parents who used us and our party..as a ladder to wealth...>>

great word control..but you arnt..victim
alp..or rather unions..support..victims

<<But we..must confront the part..we worked in our fall.>>

you..didnt cause the fall belly

sure plenty of guilt all round..
so lets stop the blaming..one thing/person/ot other
not till..the scapegoating stops..can rebuilding begin..the foundation..is sure/firm..we just built a wrong thing..YET*..on a solid base

<<..unless both sides..*confront a senate..>>

yes the party lie/line
that line ALONE..confirms the next line is only TO true
[black blurnot true blue]

<<..we are in the hands..of the few>>

too few*

<<..and no side..ever again will be able to use..its mandate.>>

that there is where it goes wrong
tony promised..over 200..plus promised things
he cant claim..mandate over all of them,..

just.cause we accepted..a less bad option.
.DIDNTmean we VOTEed ANY manDATE*..[that would need 90%..of the vote..[not 45%]

<<We win..by saying we are
MORE a UNION..more than a party

WE WILL NOT..*ever..
<<..Isolate single people..and small party,s>>


<<..One vote one value..lets get it done.>>
..for just..the party..or everyone?

what is going to get done?
should be told..to..everyone...

my solution is number every box
[get sloppy..or get it wrong..too bad]

no more just vote one..
too lazy..too easy..to give an implied mandate..
when thats not..what our vote did..nor can do..

no*..mandate unless specifically
a definite choice..via a specific vote..is given..
say like a referendum..and specifically..ONLY..by fully informed consent..

MANDATED stuff...must be voted for..
specifically

Belly,

It wasn't the 'MSM', a poor campaign (Rudd clawed back some of the very large rump alienated by that Julia Whatshername), or that the voters got it wrong. The outgoing Labor politicians got what they deserved. It could have been far worse.

There is corruption from the union links.

There is idealism and short-sighted pragmatism from the self-serving career politicians. Wong and Plibersek come to mind. They each have more front than a council bus.

Labor needs some of the mature Labor people who have achieved in their own businesses and in life. They might not present as slick as the ineffectual Penny Wong aka The Penguin (she looks the part but can't fly), but they can be trusted to get it right by taking notice of the electorate and they are in it through commitment, not for career advancement.

Belly,

otb says "....Labor needs some of the mature Labor people who have achieved in their own businesses and in life..."

"....and they are in it through commitment, not for career advancement."

Tony Abbott, said the other night on Kitchen Cabinet that he left his seminary studies when he realised a mate of his was flying to London to sign a multi-million dollar deal (might have been a billion)...and Tone was stuck writing a 500 word essay on the Desert Fathers (or some such subject)

Has Abbott ever run a business?

It appears he's as committed to "career advancement" as the next guy.

(Although, if that's the sort of thing that turns his head, he was obviously unsuited for the priesthood - at least he had the sense to realise that)

Poirot,

Some can apply their learning and have commitment to the nation. Tony Abbott appears to have those qualities and time will tell.

Labor has failed and the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

How nice that this thread will benefit from the presence of a self-proclaimed lady such as yourself, dear Old Tin of Fruit. LOL

Dear Poirot,

I watched that episode of "Kitchen Cabinet." I think that
Mr Abbott realised that his chances of being
Pope were rather slim. He opted out of the
priesthood - and decided to
pursue a career in politics. Makes perfect sense. ;-)

otb,

"How nice that this thread will benefit from the presence of a self-proclaimed lady such as yourself...."

How nice that you recognise that....

: )