Thanks all, lost my first post, health a bit shaky but some improvement.
Foxy we must confront many truths.
Gillard owns this, she never should have knifed Rudd, no matter how bad she thought he was, that event killed us.
Our near death is not over yet Tasmania is to become Liberal country, maybe for decades.
See we have let our selves be contaminated by the greens, no more need be said, *but*we never would have needed them! without Gillards actions.
We must, just must! not try to make over the NSW FILTH! a decade long lurch away from its roots and the simple truth.
*Good folk sickened by it had their hands cuffed by Labor policy* cross the floor and you are dis- endorsed!
We still have 1950,s taunts used against us, we will have HSU /NSW FILTH used that way.
We must scream our hatred of those events every day, until the many who think our whole party crooked can not use it yet again.
Look at the senate.
Ask with honesty , did Australia under Labor now Liberal want that house of frauds, [some appear so] to over rule majority rule.
Or do we ALP voters gloat at the chance to needle Abbott?
Senate? Let it become a party house of review, first and second past the post get proportional representation and are picked by their party.
No pups no greens and a government free to govern.
Labor in the weirdest way won that night.
Won reform, won back popular support.
But must dig deep, and remove past cancers from within then move forward to the promise we had on election night 2007.

Onya Belly,

Good to hear you are coming good.
I was wondering what had become of you.
Interesting times without a doubt.
A crystal ball would be a good thing to have in ones kit right now. There is much in the future that will require ability rather than ambition and one can only hope there is a modicum of that in those that represent us in Canberra.

SD

Dear Belly,

I hope that you're feeling better.

The ALP has "saved the furniture" holding
many safe seats and preserving future leadership talent like
Chris Bowen, Tony Burke, Kate Ellis, Tanya Plibersek,
Penny Wong, and others. The question is - whether the Party
will now listen to these people and will be capable of
starting afresh or whether they will continue with their
traditional factional methods.

I guess only time will tell.

Only time will tell whether Mr Abbott will be
able to adapt his combative style to the serious
business of government. It one thing to be in Opposition,
quite another in having to solve problems and run the
country. Plus, many of his pledges may well face challenges
in the Senate. He's already ditched an earlier boast that
he'd return the budget to surplus in his first term.

Don't be too disheartened and remember that a
successful Party (and Leader) is one who can lay a firm
foundation with the bricks others have thrown at them.

Take care.

Just to prop up my right to an opinion I worked hard and long for my party.
Knowing our fate, fearing much worse, I was proud to takeover my old office and of my Unions backing of my party and me.
I pre polled and worked in too areas, both lost, both as expected.
If I learned anything it was just recycled past learnings.
Many voters, on both sides, have little idea.
My wish is for a man to come who understands that.
If he wants it that man is Shorten, Albo too and Faulkner if he wants to return.
Deep inside me I remember Labor rats.
I can never forget them, or the self serving Torys of my childhood, never far away from Dads birth place Bowral.
Then, and for some now,ALP voters are trash.
Clean our bed linen, tell again and again, those haters and our own FILTH from our engine room, NSW we see them, and will not ever let them trash our great party.
We are nothing if not the victims of a few products of unwed parents who used us and our party as a ladder to wealth.
I know we are confronted by a government that will greatly harm our values.
But we must confront the part we worked in our fall.
And too see unless both sides confront a senate about to become even sillier, new one sits mid next year, we are in the hands of the few and no side ever again will be able to use its mandate.
Bill, sort out what we can pass and let Abbott pass it isolate greens and the cranky kids in the senate.
We win by saying we are a party of our own values and will trade no more with the greens.
Paul 1405 was right, both of us now think Labor never should have done deals with the greens.
Isolate single people and small party,s in both houses and?
One vote one value lets get it done.

the alp might have saved the furniture. The problem is the furniture is still full of white ants. Emily's listers and unionist still infest the woodwork.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-09/nsw-sends-liberal-democrat-to-senate/4945080
This link begs for our attention.
It to me at least, looks threatening and yes shonky.
The use of a name bound to deceive is there to be seen.
Along with the PUP sold by Palmer, promise anything they never understand we have no power to implement it!
Family first and such is our senate serving the interests of the few or the most?
Can Democracy continue to live if senate seats can be bought by preference deals?
Surely we are being conned miss used and subsidizing a crooked scheming few?