ohh..deer
swinging voter hear?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2013/09/13/3848664.htm

im back..with albo
sorry belly/bil

anyhow..ballot time
belly..is it too late..to join..al;p..to vote?

i rekon..the ozzie way..
is folks like you get two*..voting forms
to..either use one..or both..or gift them.away..to prospects..like me?.

i rekon..it would be unfair..
if our votes counted equally..so
i rekon..you ol'mate..HAVE EARNED..more than two..*!*

[ie bill should get his caucus vote =number same number in..public ballot forms..as SHOULD albo..

to use as they see fit..that count as 'public-votes'

the caucus vote =50%
ours =50%...but I..cant see the caw-cuss../*over riding the public decided..vote

so..70?..caw-cuss votes=[equals}..200,000?..ordinary..votes..?

50/50..or what?

still thats better than what we got.*!*

Belly, "Rudd will do as he must leave the house he never needed the idiots reminder"

What about the electors who put him there? If he leaves, Labor has lost that seat.

Had Labor returned to government its corruption and protection of corruption in unions could easily have culminated in a Royal Commission. The only block to date has been the lack of anyone within its federal ranks with the intelligence and principles of Mike Ahern who brought the similarly toxic Bjelke Peterson government regime to a close.

Now that Labor has decided to close ranks again and make its only (mild) reformer Kevin Rudd into its whipping boy for the 'discontent'. The sad fact is that there is very good cause for some members of Caucus, supporters and the public generally to be upset with the obvious structural and other serious systemic defects of the party.

As well, Labor has shown and its senior ministers including ex-PM Julia Whatshername have actually stated (!) that a labor government is not there for everyone. As well as the usual hatreds of the 'Progressive' tail that swings the Labor dog, old people and men cannot expect any fair consideration, for example. Labor really is a weird outfit and toxic, nothing like what its traditional conservative Labor supporters expect or want in 'their' Party.

OTB you do know?
That you are a nasty bit of work.
That if we all held your views we would battle it out on the streets.
Have you ever seen me condemn all Conservatives.
No way around it you are nasty!
Rudd by his return put a 5 in front of our seats, bound without him to be a 2 at best three.
Australians must at all costs stop the hating before it damages this country.
If it is not to be so be warned verbal combat is not the end see countrys far worse of than ours and know bitter hatred starts from small minds.

Belly - QUOTE "OTB you do know? That you are a nasty bit of work." "No way around it you are nasty!"

Could you please tell me what part of those statements focus on "intellectual stimulation"
Because I will remind you of something YOU said "I come here for intellectual stimulation, not the very opposite."

Dear Philip S.,

I think the point that Belly was trying to make was to
ask that we don't lower the bar of our discussions.
That nastiness is a deterrent and that we should be
looking towards ways of adding, enriching, stimulating,
and amplifying our discussions. Not doing things that are
hurtful, harmful, and not legitimate options for
reasoned, intelligent debaters. This is the responsibility
that public forums expect of their posters.
And it was absolutely appropriate of Belly to remind a poster
of that fact.

Foxy - If you go back over his posts lately it is the very opposite, he is the one lowering the bar. His tactic on a number of threads is to hit and run.

By checking you will see he comes in with absolutely outlandish comments then sarcasm then refuses to elaborate of clarify what he means or substantiate anything.