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Lexi,
I'd also question the ability on such people to exercise free will, when a Black person has an IQ of 70 or 75 and grows up with little to no competent adult guidance it's debatable whether they are capable of making good choices at all.
That said, how much of an effect can material factors really have on a person who's almost oblivious to the world around them? Most "Ghetto Blacks" have huge egos and very high opinions of themselves and Blacks when surveyed generally report high self esteem.
So gentle humane observers such as yourself see poverty and oppression, Runner sees things his way and the "Ghetto Blacks" believe themselves to be the strutting Elite of their world.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Thursday, 22 August 2013 7:51:36 PM
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Lexi,

LOL I don't imagine that you would be able to understand the comparison if it challenged your argument.

Human behaviour is human behaviour and there is not a very big difference between humans in the US and Australia.

Your prejudice is to find excuses and rationalisations for the behaviour of those young thugs. However as can be easily demonstrated through comparisons, others who have grown up in deprived circumstances similar to theirs do not go out and commit serious antisocial acts. You discount their ability and freedom to make choices for the better or for the worse.

You also plead that you do not understand how the Left's social policies could contribute. But then again you would say that where it runs counter to your opinions. It is not the tools available to different populations that causes such violence. It is not a 'gun culture'. That is just finding ways to divert attention away from the real causes and the choices offenders make of their own volition.
Posted by onthebeach, Thursday, 22 August 2013 8:54:54 PM
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Dear OTB,

The information that was given was obtained from the
annual reports of the FBI which compiles data provided
from local police forces. It's not something that was
made up by myself. Therefore it is legitimate. As also,
is the link that I gave earlier - where the author
confirms what the annual reports say.

You accuse me of things that are in your head - not in
my posts. You appear to be arguing on an emotional level.
Not a mature, intelligent one.

I shall leave you to it.
I will not respond to you any further.
Posted by Lexi, Thursday, 22 August 2013 11:06:51 PM
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Dear Jay,

Have a read of the link I gave in an earlier post.
We can't compare Australia with the US because
they have a different culture and different laws
to us. Also they are by international standards
one of the most violent countries in the Western
world. The circumstances are totally different.

I watched the mother of one of the 3 teens being
interviewed on camera. She was definitely from the
ghetto "underclass," in the US. And I do imagine
that the social disorder to which her family was
exposed would play a big part in the behaviour
of her child. That's not excusing his behaviour -
it's simply trying to understand it - and look
for possible solutions to stop a tragedy like
this from happening again.
Posted by Lexi, Thursday, 22 August 2013 11:28:44 PM
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Lexi,

"The acts were comitted by three black American
teenagers - and according to FBI investigations and
statistics the high involvement of American blacks in
homicide results primarily from the profound social
disorder - involving broken families,
drug abuse, poor education, and unemployment -
that has afflicted a small segment of black youth in
the ghetto "underclass." It is to these things that
the author refers. Much of this black-on-black
homicide appears random, mindless, wantonly malign,
psychopathetic and so on. Murder of this kind is
committed by people who feel that, even if they lose their
own lives, they're not losing much; who see no reason to
adopt society's values, for society offers them nothing;
who get no nearer to affluence or success than what they
see on their TV set; whose repressed rage and even self-hate
erupts against those around them."

Well said.
Posted by Poirot, Friday, 23 August 2013 12:15:07 AM
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Lexi, I didn't compare the U.S to Australia but you can't compare Black Americans to other Americans either, the issue of violence in the U.S is related to genetics and the people on the left side of the bell curve, not "poverty" or "disadvantage". You can compare majority European communities in the U.S to the rest of the European world because their rates of crime and poverty are the essentially the same and obviously if you removed Mexicans and Blacks from statistics or from the country altogether the crime rate would be about 80% lower over all.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Friday, 23 August 2013 6:50:21 AM
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