"Few opinions expressed about late abortions.

Maybe the question is just too difficult?

No, the question has been noticed, however no-one wants to put a time frame on what constitutes active life concerning brain activity in the developing foetus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJIKe9eJLh4&feature=player_detailpage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4uEZGY6iy0&feature=player_detailpage

While this plays on the minds from both sides, our human impacts to the quality of the unborns life is far more important.

Question.."when our children leave school...where are they going to go?....Just look around the world at the moment and what do you see.

My opinion, if I knew ahead of time before being born, I would at least hope my parents factor in my whole life and the quality of it.

The 300 million starving might disagree about their quality of life, what do you think.

Planet3

Dear csteele,

I posted this to the wrong thread.

Considering King David I consulted the Bible and found:

Kings 1 1:1 Now king David was old and stricken in years; and they covered him with clothes, but he gat no heat. 1:2 Wherefore his servants said unto him, Let there be sought for my lord the king a young virgin: and let her stand before the king, and let her cherish him, and let her lie in thy bosom, that my lord the king may get heat. 1:3 So they sought for a fair damsel throughout all the coasts of Israel, and found Abishag a Shunammite, and brought her to the king. 1:4 And the damsel was very fair, and cherished the king, and ministered to him: but the king knew her not.

I will be 88 on October 31. I certainly would like to get heat from a young virgin. Unfortunately I would have to seek one out. The Queensland police would probably be after me if I advertised for her. My wife would probably object to her joining us in bed. My carnal capacity is pretty limited so I don’t think I would be able to know her, but it’s a nice thought. However, if any young virgins see this and are interested in giving heat to an old man I can be reached. Just send an email to Graham Young and ask him to forward it to me. I shall await with worms in my mouth (baited breath).

Dear platypus1900: I ask you again: Can you cite any verifiable evidence of God holding anybody accountable for anything?

If not will you reconsider your statement: i believe God will hold us all accountable as a country on the way we kill our unborn,

One problem with religious belief of what I think is your type is that you never really examine your statements or positions. Your statement above is clearly without any substance, but I doubt that you will think about it. What will God do? Will he send a tsunami to Australia or make Tony Abbott PM?

@david
you tell me first
can you find evidence there is no God?

playtpus,

If you can show me "evidence" that entire universe isn't contained in the small intestine of a gargantuan turtle.

God is a matter of "faith" - not evidence.

George,

<<I agreed with david f that the Abraham/Isaac story was not suitable for children.>>

No, you didn’t. Not in the post that I was responding to, because up until that point, david f had said nothing about the suitability of the story for children. You had extracted that meaning from what he was saying and then responded to it (commonly referred to as the “strawman”) in order to soften the shock value and immorality of the story. Simply read what you had quoted of him and compare it to your response.

<<I agree to the extent that it is not fit for SOME adults, and your post - if I understand it properly - testifies that you are one of them.>>

You seem to think that being de-sensitised to the thought of such horrible acts is a good thing. Dulling the conscience is not a good thing.

<<Nevertheless, there are others, millions of Christians and religious Jews (and Muslims), who perhaps also cannot accept/understand the point of the story, but do not see this as an obstacle to their respective religious affiliations.>>

I’m not sure why you’re suggesting that I don’t understand the story. Firstly, we established a few months ago that I do (http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=5580#153706); secondly, as I said before, it doesn’t negate the immorality of the story - which reduces it to nothing more than a message endorsing blind obedience.

<<…there is a difference between whether one tries to "explain relativity theory" to a child or whether one asks the child to understand arguments for and against it. The same as there is a difference between whether one tries to explain the meaning behind the Bible stories to a child or whether one engages the child in scholarly arguments about the validity of this or that exegesis, interpretation of ancient text.>>

Sure. But that has nothing to do with the problems that I pointed out in your other post.

Continued…

…Continued

<<…if they are theists they are afraid “what of if God did NOT exist after all”, and those who are (or became) atheists are afraid “what if God DID exist after all”.>>

Whoever said that was wrong.

As someone who was a little evangelical about their Christian beliefs, I can safely say that evangelism comes not from insecurity, but from a genuine concern about the souls of others (it’s possible there are exceptions to that though). And so they SHOULD be concerned, too, given what they believe. I would be concerned about any theist who is willing to just sit by, arms folded, and not care about others missing out on what they think they’re going to get after death.

As for what this anonymous person said about louder atheists, that’s not just incorrect, but utterly absurd, for three reasons:

-firstly, if an atheist was really that concerned about what might happen if a god did exist, then they would just start believing in some nondescript god, at the very least (as I have mentioned to you several times before, unlike with theism, there is no emotional reason to cling to disbelief);

-secondly, most atheists understand that if a god did exist, then it would be more pleased that they put to use the scepticism that it had endowed them rather than being so recklessly gullible (which would surely be a sin, if that God accepted the notion of sin, that is);

-thirdly, most atheists also understand that if a god did exist, then it certainly wouldn’t be the Abrahamic God (as it is possible to demonstrate that that God does not exist) and thus we’re all in the same boat anyway (unless, of course, that god abhors gullibility or prefers a more neutral atheism over worshipping false gods - in which case, atheists are safer (it’s what I call the ‘Atheists Wager’)).