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Indonesia gives nod to coalition tow backs!
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Posted by Josephus, Wednesday, 17 July 2013 5:22:42 PM
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Good one, Josephus.
Refugees are now criminals who are threatening suicide (according to you) The mind boggles....... Posted by Poirot, Wednesday, 17 July 2013 5:39:15 PM
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The federal government has given citizenship to violent men who riot and make arson attacks on public assets to get their own way.
Giving in to threats of self-harm by economic migrants publicises to others who amke more serious threats that the Australian authorities will cave in rather than stand by their own laws and principle. This clip has fooitage of some of the fires and destruction. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0MHRSFz6FM Posted by onthebeach, Wednesday, 17 July 2013 6:08:36 PM
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Hi Josephus,
You're pretty spot-on. ASIO has recently admitted that due to the numbers they are now only checking 10-15% of "asylum seekers". And what they could *check* anyway is rather limited.They only woke up to the recent Egyptian Jihadi because he was foolhardy enough to use his real name. And, you are right about the emotional blackmail antics they get up to: blowing up boats, burning detention centres, trashing computer equipment, assaulting staff or other detainees, you name it, they've tried it--and most often gotten away with it! Pay no heed to Poirot's attempt to intimidate you: <<The mind boggles.......>> Her mind was boggled years ago Posted by SPQR, Wednesday, 17 July 2013 6:14:14 PM
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It's always good to get various perspectives
on an issue. One of the pre-requisites for Democracy is access to information. If citizens or their representatives are denied access to the information they need to make informed choices, or if they are given false or misleading infromation, the democratic process becomes a sham. Under such circumstances, the people cannot use their rights in a meaningful way. Regarding asylum seekers - myths, factual errors and misconceptions abound. The following two links are a mere example of why some people may riot and protest. Here's a small quote: "Many don't know how long they'll be staying or why they're there. There's no privacy, often no power, or running water, medical supplies are desperately short - so if people get sick there they can be in a lot of trouble." http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2013/04/29/3745276.htm Click on - "show transcript." And - http://www.abc.net.au/btn/story/s3749309.htm Click on - "full transcript." Posted by Lexi, Wednesday, 17 July 2013 6:38:58 PM
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Lexi,
<<It's always good to get various perspectiveson an issue>> So why is it then that ALL the sources you link us to are left-leaning. <<Regarding asylum seekers - myths, factual errors and misconceptions abound>> No thanks to you, I might add.Given that you've always done you utmost to keep the myths, factual errors and misconceptions alive. <<. There's no privacy, often no power, or running water, medical supplies are desperately short>> Which would be pretty understandable given they were opened in a hurry But have you by chance had a look at the detention facilities on mainland Oz. They must be substantially better given that the last time detainees rioted in one they DESTROYED TENS OF MILLIONS DOLLARS WORTH OF COMPUTER AND SERVICE FACILITIES! Posted by SPQR, Wednesday, 17 July 2013 6:54:36 PM
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My point is we only take in genuine refugees that come by legal means not everyone illegally breaching our borders.
You may welcome criminals to your home, I prefer to meet them elsewhere for the safety of my family. They may burn their transport of threaten to cut their wrists so that I take them in; but there are avenues to deal with such people. I worked for four years in crisis telephone counselling and I never invited anyone threatening suicide into my office. If they were threatening suicide an appropriate team was sent to them to deal with their situation, if it was overdose an ambulance was called.