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Indonesia gives nod to coalition tow backs!

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Bazz I did read all your posts.
And say with confidence it is you who are wrong.
No ne3ed to debate the truth is your claim is unfounded.
IF ANY COUNTRY, some receiving many more times than us, had the power to send under any law Nationals of a country other than the one they came from.
To that country because it is the one they came from? silly stuff old mate.
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 17 July 2013 1:24:02 PM
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Dear Bazz,

The current Chief of the Navy, Vice-Admiral
Ray Griggs disagrees with your take on things.
(BTW - there's no need to put things into
capital letters - and tell me to "GET IT."
That's not very courteous. I don't question
your comprehension skills).

BTW: What the Coalition is telling us is they will
"Tow the boats back," prior to any assessments
being done on the asylum seekers claims.
That makes the act of towing the boats back -
illegal according to the Refugee Convention that
we've signed. People's claims need to be assessed
before they are sent anywhere.
Posted by Lexi, Wednesday, 17 July 2013 1:25:12 PM
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Lexi,

The refugee convention only covers the handling of refugees that are already on Australian territory. It says nothing about the interception of boats in international waters.

It can be done safely as it was done before.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 17 July 2013 1:50:27 PM
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SM Don't bother, nothing will make any difference. I give up !
Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 17 July 2013 1:55:36 PM
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otb,

I wasn't questioning or insulting Christian charity. (My best friends are Christian and do a lot for other people)

I was questioning why I can't see any sign of it in the rhetoric posted here by Josephus.
Posted by Poirot, Wednesday, 17 July 2013 1:59:21 PM
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SM,

A few corrections:

As the Chief of the Navy pointed out:

The record of the tow-back policy under John Howard
was far from spotless. The Howard-era tow backs
resulted in a number of self-sabotage incidents
and 3 drownings. " In at least several of these
cases the navy had to contend with incidents such
as asylum seekers jumping overboard, threatening
self-harm and/or atempting to sabotage the vessel.
SIEV 7 which had 230 people aboard including
women and children ended up running aground in
Indonesian waters a few hours after being abandoned
by the navy."

According to a report at the time by the ABC's
Four Corners program - three people on the SIEV7
died.

BTW: - Under International Law, a state that has
exercised power over individuals at sea by actions
such as stopping vessels and boarding vessels is
not permitted to return refugees.

Finally, the tow-back rhetoric of the Coalition depends
on Indonesia's co-operation without which it is
difficult to see how turning back the boats can possibly
be safe.

It simply will not work.
Posted by Lexi, Wednesday, 17 July 2013 2:57:50 PM
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